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On June 09 2013 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: dude that venn diagram is the single greatest thing i've ever done for tl mafia i'm 100% srs I'm going to respond to every meta-case you write with that image from now until the end of time :3 | ||
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##Vote Mayor: ShaioPi | ||
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Why do you want to be elected mayor? I like it when people run campaigns, but I detest joke campaigns. On June 09 2013 14:12 Sylencia wrote: Pretty sure you can tell from my track record that I really only roll non-VT when I force myself into a themed game  Also, we won't know what these powers/restrictions are until the election is over so there's no real point trying to work it out. In which case everyone ends up voting themselves as the 'optimal' route? We have quite a few people in for discussion now, but what is there to discuss at the moment.. Obviously none of this is remotely sufficient rationale to vote for you. | ||
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Becuase ShaioPi (a.k.a the most lurky, passive, disinterested scum-player ever) is running a mayoral campaign. | ||
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I find it hard to believe that you processed everything I said and completely trusted my explanation in a span of 7 minutes. | ||
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I'm getting the feeling this will be an easy game. | ||
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On June 09 2013 14:44 jampidampi wrote: I looked at his filters from his two previous scum games. In 7 minutes... really? I understand how someone could draw the conclusion, but it's the timeframe that's quite surprising. | ||
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Good times. Good times. | ||
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... Hapa: Can you aid me in not being distracted by this post of yours? When I give early-D1 town-reads, my goal isn't to be 100% accurate and completely ignore analyzing a person for the rest of the game. My primary objective behind giving early-D1 town-reads is to get discussion started and to fish for reactions. I've found that it is the most natural way for me to talk early and start meaningful discussion. That's not to say that my town-reads are completely unjustified. For example, I firmly believe that ShaioPi is town, due to how absurdly different his current mayoral campaign is from any of his scum-games I've ever seen. Likewise, I believe you're town because a) your early-game burst of posting sounds like a townie excited to play, and b) this latest post by you shows a level of critical thinking beyond the capacity of what I evaluate your scum-game to be capable of. As for my read on jampi in particular, this post struck me as absurdly genuine: On June 09 2013 15:00 jampidampi wrote: I have a lot of subconscious reasons to trust you. 1. You were my coach in a newbie 2. You were my hydra partner and we were town 3. I haven't read a scum game of yours Also, cookies It's a very blunt, honest, and complete picture of his thought-process. Scum under pressure would likely fudge some answer about how ShiaoPi's meta is so obvious on a simple readthrough of his past scum-games. Instead, jampi is using a lot of arguments that scum would be incredibly scared of using. Like what scum would admit that they haven't read one of my scum-games before deciding to trust me? Now to emphasize, this does not mean that I'll forget about Jampi for the rest of the game because I think he's confirmed town. Rather, a good portion of the reason I'm making these reads is to make people start actually talking about reads/analysis and to direct my early-game focus. Also, I'm usually pretty accurate with my early-game reads :3 | ||
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Voting for the sake of opposition/discussion-starting is OK, however not at the expense of ignoring all the other discussion happening in the thread. Like Shaio's mayoral campaign is a perfectly good topic for discussion. I don't understand why you think an unjustified vote for a person who's not even running a serious campaign would somehow be a better way to start discussion or even pro-town for that matter. | ||
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Also a last note about early-game reads... every read someone makes early D1 is completely worthless. Early D1 is only about getting people to talk, and that's it. It is always important re-consider every single one your reads and start from scratch when the D1 lynch gets close. | ||
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Hard for me to tell what you consider a serious campaign vs a joke campaign. Does someone who does a post like ShiaoPi's count as a serious campaign or not? If so, it's hard for me to take your vote for mayor seriously. Shiao is town, so srs vs. not srs doesn't apply as much because I trust him. I'm also voting him because he's a really strong town-player in his own right. In all honesty, I'm not going to push for myself to be the mayor, I haven't had enough experience to really know how to use these roles well and it'd be more suited to another. Ok, that's all I needed to hear ^^ | ||
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Was this vote purely because he mayor voted for someone you didn't want to be mayor? You've mentioned having a mayor vote on someone who isn't seriously running for it to be bad, but does that make him scum? I'd like to see the link in reasoning for that. Because his vote made very little sense, even for his stated objective of creating discussion. @ Jampi On June 09 2013 18:48 jampidampi wrote: A campaign being serious or not is based on the smilies. No smilies = serious campaign. Smilies = joke campaign. What makes a campaign is trying to get others to vote for you. Axle voted himself, because he didn't have better alternatives. But since he isn't asking others to vote him, it's not a campaign. @Hapa Are you trying to help Vayne play better or are you noting something you find somewhat scummy? Your post is not clear to me. I am voting him currently, so the latter. @ Vayne I didn't really see any discussion besides you spamming YO U TOWN BRO YA U T00 and shaio giving out cookies. If that's discussion then by all means, continue. I don't even think there is enough people to form a scum team after all the free passes you gave out. Ok, so how is dropping a vote on someone not even running a serious mayoral campaign a better way of creating discussion? Much less one that's completely unjustified and that provides absolutely nothing to discuss? | ||
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##Unvote Vayne He's cool. Drawing attention to yourself like that in the early-game with an intentionally terrible unjustified vote is probably not a scum move. Maybe for some other players, but not for Vayne. Also, he seems to take a somewhat condescending attitude in all his games. Though he seems to pick fights for the sake of picking fights in his last mafia, while he's more productive with his arguments in town-games. On June 10 2013 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote: hapa read on discussion between me and stutters and me and vayne? Leaning town on Vayne (for reasons mentioned above) Leaning lurker on Stutters Too early to tell about you, since you're capable of burst-posting as town or scum. I think I have some ways to read you, but that'll be later in the day. | ||
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Since you're both hesitant about Shaio's candidacy, some questions: 1) What qualities would you consider "ideal" mayoral qualities? 2) If you were to pick anyone in this town to run (regardless of if they want to run or not), who would you vote based on the thread so far? | ||
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So are you running for mayor? Even if I thought you were town, you have a history of sub-optimal power-role play, so I would be hesitant voting you even if I thought you were town. Also knowing Shaio's meta, do you really think he's capable of what he's doing as scum? Also, why is he not qualified to be mayor in your eyes? Do you have any other reads/observations so far? | ||
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The best mayor is one who everyone trusts and not who you individually trust. | ||
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Also knowing Shaio's meta, do you really think he's capable of what he's doing as scum? Also, why is he not qualified to be mayor in your eyes? Do you have any other reads/observations so far? Also, I'm fairly shocked you don't want to run for mayor given your general personality/demeanor. Why no mayoral campaign from you? | ||
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On June 10 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote: remember that this is semi-closed setup so we dont even know if theres a medic or anything. Getting voted as mayor is pretty much a death sentence and I think BH sees it the same way I do. Don't want a fucking target on my back to start the game. Setup-speculation wise, I'd imagine the mayor would have some sort of veteran or bodyguard mechanic. Else it would just be really poor game design and de-incentivize any vets from wanting to be elected. | ||
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I'm essentially leading the town anyway, and I want to use the fancy mysterious powers I will gain to kill scum. ##Unvote Mayor: ##Vote Mayor: Hapahauli | ||
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1) I don't roll power-roles often, but when I do, I eviscerate scum-teams.
2) It should be blatantly obvious to anyone who is familiar with my playstyle that I'm town. I'm active, I give-a-shit about the game, and I'm not being pants-on-head retarded. If I begin to act differently, you can always unvote me. 3) Let's be done with this mayoral voting crap so we can go on to actually scum-hunting. | ||
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Since you're both around, who are your top scum-reads at this stage? | ||
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On June 10 2013 07:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Oats/jampi Can you explain your reads a bit? I think I heard a decent amount from you on Oats, but I'm more curious about Jampi. Is there 2 or 3 scum? I'd assume either 3 scum or 2 powerful scum + an SK. If 3 i'd give filler slot to that lurker gravityman, everyone else seems fine DarthPunk also hasn't posted. Also, what do you think about Sylencia? | ||
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What is this, a newbie game? | ||
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On June 10 2013 07:45 Blazinghand wrote: why would you speculate 3p for me and not scum BTW? Because your demeanor as scum is generally more chaotic. You seem very tempered, which is odd, but not necessarily scummy. Also, BH plz: On June 10 2013 07:01 Hapahauli wrote: Also @ BH and Vayne Since you're both around, who are your top scum-reads at this stage? | ||
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Either way, the 3rd party comment was stupid on my part regardless of whether it's valid or not. No point in 3rd party hunting right now. So let's talk about your scumreads/suspicions now pl0x. | ||
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I have no interest in seeing people run mayoral campaigns over empty political promises. My only desire is to see the best scumhunter in the game elected mayor so he/she may have the most influence over the game as possible. So what are your scum-hunting credentials? Furthermore, what are your reads thusfar? Lastly, what are your reasons for not wanting me to be elected mayor? The baseless and unjustified criticism you directed my way in your intro post doesn't cut it. | ||
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I have no interest in seeing people run mayoral campaigns over empty political promises. My only desire is to see the best scumhunter in the game elected mayor so he/she may have the most influence over the game as possible. To add to this... If that scum-hunter is you, I'll gladly hand over the keys to the city to you. However something like this... Because I simply cannot trust a man who makes an obvious grab for power after pushing and supporting a townread of his so early and for so long. This townread who, himself, has done absolutely nothing to deserve the honor and responsibility that comes with the mayoral title. It appears as though a farce, a show of confidence simply to establish his towniness in the thread so that eventually he may gain the trust of others and rob his townread of the title he so promised. ...is poor analysis at best. It is a baseless discrediting of my campaign. Surely you understand that a grab for power is not alignment indicative. You ignore my activity and the effort I've put into this game so far and randomly call it a farce. If that is the depth of your analysis, why should I trust you as mayor? | ||
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On June 10 2013 10:40 GravityMan wrote: Hello Hapahauli. It is nice to meet you. The problem with electing the best scumhunter in the game as mayor, you see, is the fact that said scumhunter may themselves be scum. So what reasons do you have to doubt my candidacy? Have you played any games with me in previous non-robotic lives? If so, it should be pretty obvious that I'm town. What do you make of my meta? Now as for my 'credentials:' You know very well as a complex robot designed only to cause death and destruction by controlling the flows of gravity previous to this game, I have no previous credentials. Your desire to base the mayoral candidacy entirely on meta reads of people is flawed by design because this early into a game it is very easy to act in accordance with one's previous towny-looking games. It makes more sense, as you yourself stated, to base said candidacy on actions rather than words. I agree that a candidacy should be based on actions rather than words. As such, a candidacy should be based on one's contributions to the town. If someone acts, takes charge of the town, and proves him/her-self as town through behavior, that person should be mayor. However you seem to be basing your own on the very "words" you vilify. My reads - I have a couple of townreads I would prefer not to divulge at the present time as it is not advantageous to our situation at the current time. As far as scumreads go, again there is not a great deal to go on right now as the discussion has been quite uninspired thus far. We still have a full Earth's revolution to go, however, and there is much that can be learned in such a short period of time. For example a complete refusal to provide anything to the discussion is "words words words." Fancy robotic poses and gravity-wells are fun, but they do nothing for the town. They do nothing to make me trust you, nor do they do anything to demonstrate your capacity as a scum-hunter. I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own. This reads to me like Now if I may ask you some questions: 1)Why change your mind from the man ShiaoPi? You said he is a good scumhunter in his own right, did you not? What are you basing this on? Do you feel yourself to be a better player than him? 2)What do you think of this jampidampi thus far? 3)What do you make of the inactivity of the one knows as DarthPunk, a player who is generally seen to be fairly active? 1) I changed my mind because I believe that I'm a better mayoral candidate. I like Shiao, I think he's town, and I think he's a very capable player. However I have a great town track-record of my own, and I firmly believe that both my well-established history of carrying towns in mini-games, as well as my history of handling blue-roles very well makes me the best candidate for the job. 2) I've actually since changed my mind on him. He's my top scum-read right now, but I had planned on withholding this until he re-entered thread. This is the post I had written: + Show Spoiler + 1) He has a lack of natural suspicion. Him immediately trusting my words and supporting the ShaioPi campaign after displaying suspicion of it is not natural in the 7-minute window in which he did it. I had accepted his explanation as "open" before, but 7 minutes is an absurd turn-around. I'd expect him to be much more naturally suspicious in his 2nd non-newbie game ever on this site. I had bought his explanation (of sub-consciously trusting me as town) earlier, however I don't think it's as compelling as I had initially thought. All he's really doing is buddying up to me, which is nothing new for scum to do. 2) On June 09 2013 18:48 jampidampi wrote: A campaign being serious or not is based on the smilies. No smilies = serious campaign. Smilies = joke campaign. What makes a campaign is trying to get others to vote for you. Axle voted himself, because he didn't have better alternatives. But since he isn't asking others to vote him, it's not a campaign. @Hapa Are you trying to help Vayne play better or are you noting something you find somewhat scummy? Your post is not clear to me. The underlined question in this post makes no sense objectively. Jampi mentioned that he subconsciously trusted me as town, and seemingly has some sort of town-read on me. Furthermore, he answered Stutters question (directed towards me) in the first half of his post. If he's treating me as town, this question makes no sense. Because if he trusts me, my answer to this question has absolutely no relevancy towards anything (such as the read he's suggesting on Vayne). Futhermore, jampi just hasn't posted any content thusfar. He has 6-7 posts and absolutely zero meaningful content. Even with Day 1 caveats, jampis filter reads like an attempt to contribute by posting useless things. 3) DarthPunk explicitly mentioned that he was busy if the game started during the weekend. Furthermore, he's active as scum AND town (infact he's one of the most active scum-players on TL), so his lurking is completely non-alignment indicative. | ||
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This reads to me like Didn't finish this. Your statement here... I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own. Reads to me like a huge cop-out. Your entire candidacy so far has been based on a) words and b) because you claim you're town and c) you're a japanese robot. | ||
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I'm realizing I'm starting to write wall of texts and might not be clear. So just to be clear, I will not under any circumstances support your candidacy until... 1) You tell me a compelling reason why I am not to be trusted in this game, and... 2) Your candidacy ceases to be words and starts to be action (i.e. scumhunting) | ||
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I look forward to seeing your scum-hunting efforts. However, I do have one more bone to pick with you: Because I simply cannot trust a man who makes an obvious grab for power after pushing and supporting a townread of his so early and for so long. This townread who, himself, has done absolutely nothing to deserve the honor and responsibility that comes with the mayoral title. It appears as though a farce, a show of confidence simply to establish his towniness in the thread so that eventually he may gain the trust of others and rob his townread of the title he so promised. The problem with electing the best scumhunter in the game as mayor, you see, is the fact that said scumhunter may themselves be scum. You have already made two attempts to insinuate suspicion on me with no justifications. Mayoral campaign or not, throwing unjustified shit at another player is unacceptable and anti-town. What is your read on me? What are your specific reasons to not support my candidacy and/or distrust me? | ||
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On June 10 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanna vote for hapa, but he keeps saying his meta confirms him as town. Feels really really weird. Hapa, remember ego mafia? Where I was scum and played NOTHING like my previous scum meta? Yeah. That couldve happened this game. No feels right now for you being town. Also the way you started it was like, I WANT POWERS GIVE ME MAYOR. "Im really good with Powers". Uhuh. Who is most likely gonna flip scum hapa? Ok, have you read my filter? At all? I'm pretty sure I'm the townies person in the thread right now in terms of both activity and engagement. You can use meta, or any objective standard of reading me, but I'm still town so vote me for mayor. Also, if you read anything in my filter, I already mentioned that my current top scumread is jampi. However I've heard nothing about your own reads, so do tell me those. | ||
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What are your thoughts on our resident japanese video game character (Gravity Man)? | ||
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##Vote Mayor: Vayne Authority Getting the claimed cop as mayor is a priority. No chance that's a fake-claim given the timing behind the claim and the seeming lack of urgency. Catching up on the rest. | ||
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I really don't understand your suspicions against me. They seem to be "Hapa is not hypertown, therefore he's scum", which makes very little sense. They kinda remind me of your Palmar suspicions in Red Team's Prize. Anyway, I'll do what I can to address them, but there's no chance I'm getting lynched today, and I'd rather spend my time scumhunting than addressing the suspicions of someone known to be hyper-confirmation biased. | ||
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Furthermore, his strategy of "antagonize all the vets" seems fairly suicidal for scum to do. Hell last time he attacked me as scum, he ended up getting lynched (Duke Nukem Mafia), so that should be pretty fresh in his mind. Jampi is by far the best lynch for today. He's produced fairly little content, and his vote on Vayne is by far the weakest. On June 11 2013 00:41 jampidampi wrote: I can get behind a Vayne lynch. In his two latest posts, he first states that he is not trying to hide anything, but in the second he hides his reasoning even when someone asked for them. Dafug? It might not necessarily mean that he is scum, but do you think you can read him? I know I can't. ##Vote: VayneAuthority I'll be gone, but will back about one hour before the deadline. Carefully read the underlined passage. Jampi is NOT voting Vayne because he thinks Vayne is scum! He's voting Vayne because "it's hard to read him." That's a scumclaim. ##Vote Lynch: Jampidampi | ||
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I don't like how he decided to call Oats a retard for like 3 pages of conversation, and that reads more like provocation than something purposeful. However I do think he's capable of doing stuff like that as town to a degree. I'd like one more day with BH, but jampi has a clearly attributable scum-mentality with his vote on Vayne. | ||
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Jampi isn't as new of a player as you might believe. He has a history of 4 town-games, one of which is a hydra game with me, which leaves us with 3 to draw from. If there's one theme consistant across his play is that he's a very analytical player. His play (and especially his vote on Vayne) is so out of character with this. In his 1st Newbie game, it doesn't take much of a read in his filter to understand how analysis-heavy his style is. He's very straightforward, asks good questions, and is very useful to town. Consider posts like... On January 04 2013 00:37 jampidampi wrote: My analysis on Mocsta + Show Spoiler + Very active, as he was in Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII. He's constantly trying to pressure people into posting, going as far as giving them advice on what to post. He was also doing it during XXXIII, so I wouldn't read too much into it. Also, he is the only one who has taken concrete actions (the vote on cDgCorazon) during this whole time. Leaning towards town Spaghetticus + Show Spoiler + If we exclude the the QT question, he plays the way he played in earlier games. First posting a list of lurkers and pressuring them to contribute, then beginning to analyse individual cases. I believe that On January 03 2013 11:42 Spaghetticus wrote: DO NOT LURK. IDGAF WHO PLAYS SCUMMY I WILL BE VOTING THE LURKIEST PLAYER DAY ONE PERIOD. was his way of saying that he hates lurkers. Regarding the QT question: If he was scum, he would have gotten the QT link with his role PM. Would anyone ask something they already know of? Or was it a way to get his scumbuddy to come to the QT? It is all just speculation, but I hope everyone here would have the brains to check out the QT from their PM. Leaning towards town cDgCorazon + Show Spoiler + Appears to be playing diffrently from Newbie XXXIII. He hasn't been as active this time around, and he isn't as aggressive with his scum claims. And I don't think he would be purposefully bringing up his scum game so many times if he actually was a scum. Leaning towards town Please note that the analysis on Spaghetticus was written before his post answearing questions. In one post in his first newbie game on D1, he provided 30x the analysis that he's provided so far this game. And there's more just from the first page of his filter... I'd encourage you to read it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091&user=jampidampi In his 2nd newbie game, take a look at how he makes his first vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=15#289 His 3rd newbie game is more of the same, and is even more analyitical. He nailed 2 of 3 scum on D1 and got shot immediately N1.. .just read the whole filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407058&user=jampidampi So the explanation that jampi is a scared newbie rings very hollow to me. I'll admit that there's a very small possibility that he's gone into his first normal game too scared to do anything, but it's far more likely that his lack of contribution and terrible vote on Vayne (for reasons other than Vayne being scum) is because jampi is scum. | ||
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On June 11 2013 04:19 Blazinghand wrote: deduce for me then what does scum oats look like of not like this? Objectively, do you think scum would go and try to attack the town-vet against all possible thread sentiment? Especially if that vet is known for OMGUS'ing the fuck out of people? Well that's what Oats is doing this game. His play is suicidal from a scum-perspective. Attacking town-Hapa when everyone thinks Hapa is town might be most retarded scum-strategy ever. Furthermore, Oats is active and is contributing in his own way. By any objective standard right now, the guy is town. One question for you BH: Who is scummier - Oats or Jampi? You've been dodging the issue, and I want a clear answer. | ||
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Actually, I think it's a better idea if I'm the mayor going forward. While it sounds nice to have a Cop as the mayor, it's likely that your checks won't be reliable going forward. You'll either be roleblocked until the end of time (if there is a roleblocker, and hell they might block your mayoral powers as well in one shot), or mafia will have many ways to fuck with your checks (godfather, framer, etc) What we need going forward is an analyst that can survive several days in the game to catch the remaining scum. And to be quite frank, I think the only person with the appropriate reputation for that right now. The mayoral office probably carries some sort of protection mechanic, and even if it does not, it forces scum to chose between shooting you and me. | ||
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On June 11 2013 05:43 Blazinghand wrote: But yeah in retrospect I should have gone with my second instinct on oats and not voted him. He's the kind of guy who accidentally sends out wrong cop checks and posts links to the host spreadsheet in the thread and so on, so it's possible he's just this bad. His vote-flailing while i've been eating hasn't been particularly townie but I don't really see why scum would do it either. I guess jubjubs are gonna jub. I don't really have anything to add about jampdampi other than that hapa's case on him is reasonable and hapa is the towniest guy here. Like the bolded. What the fuck is the point of the bolded? Does it add to your argument? Does it do anything other than piss people off? It doesn't. And it's been happening over and over again for the last 40 hours. I don't care if you're scum or town, but that shit is unacceptable, and I'd debate mod-killing you if I was hosting this game. | ||
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And oats, for what it's worth, I'm sorry I called you a jubjub (though you have called me worse this game). I'll do my best to sugar-coat things a bit so hapa can play with me reasonably. You're a college-graduate arguing with a 17-year-old High Schooler from Singapore. Just please keep that in mind before you start something like this again. I'd like to put this behind us. Will do. /thread-police. Now on to some more mafia-related questions... | ||
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Furthermore, your attitude in pushing Oats seemed like you were more interested in provoking him and pissing him off rather than actually calling him scum and pushing his lynch. | ||
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On June 11 2013 06:06 Blazinghand wrote: Dude, I literally dont' know what to tell you other than that oats started it and I have been reasonable and backed off of him the first time when I realized my initial case was bad. And also, shit man what do you think my goal was to piss oats off and stop him from contributing all the useful stuff he normally does? That still doesn't change the fact that you've done very little. While you've no doubt made a scene in previous games that you're capable of such things as town on Day 1, it's still terrible play and makes it impossible to reliably read you. Can I expect you to be an active contributor tomorrow? | ||
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Howabout GravityMan? Surely there's enough in his filter for you to give me an opinion. | ||
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On June 11 2013 06:07 GravityMan wrote: Yes, that would be the post, thank you. While you are at it, Blazinghand, are you the type to back down when admonished? Does this Hapahaulli play the role of 'thread police' often? Do you think that this Hapahauli is personally insulted by your play or shamed by it? He certainly does not seem to me ceasing communication. Like none of this has to do anything with scumhunting. BH thinks I'm town - why does it matter what his feelings about my play are? | ||
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On June 11 2013 10:09 Blazinghand wrote: brb dinner That's a lot of dinner d00d. | ||
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I really can't accept the fact that you, who are known for bombing analysis left and right in your newbie games, would all of a sudden be completely lost and provide nothing all of Day 1. | ||
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Probably Stutters, and maybe a slight scum-read on BlazingHand. I really don't understand your helplessness here. | ||
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On June 11 2013 10:57 Blazinghand wrote: I don't think I believe oats as town any more. Something about it just doesn't smell right to me. I KNOW he's liek this a lot as scum... but still. Does anyone want to lynch him? I'm willing to swap. No. On June 11 2013 10:59 Blazinghand wrote: Am I alone on this oats thing? Yes. | ||
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On June 11 2013 11:03 jampidampi wrote: Look, no one can give scum reads thats not me, how am I supposed to find scum? By reading the thread and finding scum. You've done it may times in the past. On June 11 2013 11:02 Blazinghand wrote: dude the only thing that matters is oats is scum. why would scum jampi liek come back to the thread at the last mintue when it's too late to even save himelf Well ~5-10 minutes until we find out. | ||
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On June 11 2013 11:03 Blazinghand wrote: whatever i'm super bad for letting jamp die, and worst part is he might even flip scum then i'm gonna look super bad too. If he flips scum, it doesn't say much about you. If he flips town, then you're hanging tomorrow. | ||
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Because you're giving non-sensical town-reads and making this last-second distancing attempt without ever even acknowledging jampi. | ||
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Distancing from the mis-lynch. | ||
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Sorry jampi. Wish you posted more. | ||
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On June 11 2013 11:19 Blazinghand wrote: aww hapa what happened to ? realizing now how wrong you are? yes you are. Who would you like me to shoot BH? | ||
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On June 11 2013 11:22 GravityMan wrote: You realize by doing so you are only further placing the fate of this town into your hands alone? I am not sure I agree with the usage of this ability at the present time if the strength of a read is not crystal clear. I have a read, I just want to see if anyone mentions him before I do. | ||
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On June 11 2013 11:23 Blazinghand wrote: Fair enough shiaopi i'll put something together. FWIW Hapa really thinks i'm town despite what he says. he's just trying to kick my ass and make me be helpful, or else he'd have already shot me. He'd never leave scum alive Yes and no. I have a conflicting read on you, in that I think you are being useless and scummy, however you're really really annoying this game and have an attitude that appears not to care about your perception in the thread. I'm not sure which one outweighs which right now. | ||
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Hai GK - catch up plz and tell me who you want dead with my fancy mayor powers. | ||
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On June 11 2013 11:52 Hapahauli wrote: Is the mayoral "condemn" power block-able (either by scum RB or abilities such as the Survivor "shield")? | ||
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You're just shouting non-allignment indicative statements: On June 11 2013 12:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Hapa why are you so wrong? Obviously I'm capable of leading a mislynch as town, especially on Day 1. Why do you not have any current scum reads? I've mentioned several in my filter that you are not reading. And even if I didn't, we're one hour into N1 after my top scum-read just flipped town. So it's not like it matters. Why do you bitch fight with BH about nothing? Bitch fighting isn't scummy, is it? Like I just really don't understand it. It seems like you're screaming about imperfections in my play rather than objectively considering it. So why are you suspicious of me? Let's hash this out. | ||
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it is actually. Especially with stuff that doesnt really concern you and doesnt have a visible effect on my posting. The reason why its scummy is cause you look good because you are standing up for the smaller man, in this case me. This is just completely incorrect analysis. Townies "bitch-fight" all the time, true or false? I "bitch-fight" in my town games, true or false? I "bitch fight" in my scum-games, true or false? You can't just say an action is scummy without considering all the possibilities. Like a possible motive behind "bitch-fighting" can be scummy, however not all motives are. Furthermore, you're harping on a really small segment of my gameplay. I'd understand your suspicions if my entire filter was like this, but you're narrowing in on a small argument I had with Blazinghand and blowing it out of proportion in the context of my play. You thought of mayor powers before the actual flip result. Yes, so? I've been eager to see what my mayor powers will be all day. I've posted to that effect several times. Wouldn't you be excited to get the keys to the city? Like jampi was your ONLY scumread it seemed before the flip, you looked like you were pretty certain. The post seems like you kinda expected it and is what I wouldve expected out of BH maybe cause he thought jampi was town. That's flat-out false. I went after BlazingHand as well leading up to the flip, and that much should be obvious from my filter. As far as my reaction to jampi's flip... what do you want me to do, sob wildly that I mislynched someone? I mislynch people all the time. I'm annoyed and frustrated, but at the end of the day, I realize that it's D1 and you have to move on and continue scum-hunting. Dwelling on something won't find us mafia ya know. And then throughout the game, you say that you are definitely matching with your previous town meta. I assume you didnt change your playstyle then. Why didnt you? Wait. So you think I'm suspicious for not changing my normal town-playstyle? How does that make sense at all? But if you must know, I was really frustrated with the lurkiness in the game and I was put in a position where I had to generate activity to get anything out of Day 1. Please keep in mind that I had an excuse to lurk and be passive all of today and I chose not to and instead to lead a mayoral campaign and be the most active player in the thread. If you think that is suspicious, then I doubt I'll ever be able to say anything to change your mind. OH SHIT HAPA. OH SHIT 180 that you never explained what exactly made you doubt your initial read. From experience, there are certain posts that only townies make, and it looked like the one you pointed out was one of those. Why did you doubt your initial read if it was so good Hapa? And then he hammers Jampi with the meta case. I find it difficult to believe that someone who was hydraed with Jampi was so wrong about him. When I hydra'd with Jampi, I think he made 5 posts all game, and 1-2 posts in our hydra QT. We didn't have much interaction, and it was basically me playing all game there. You should know this given that you tried to mislynch me in that game as scum. Secondly, I don't understand why you think 180's are suspicious. I think I justified my vote on Jampi really well. Obviously it was wrong in retrospect, but it's really easy for someone to come into the thread post-lynch and say Jampi is town without having been there before the lynch. | ||
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I'll let Shaio answer for himself, but I will say that he's not very active early-game in his town or scum games. What's distinguishable about his meta is his attitude and bravery. For example in his scum-games, he's absurdly passive and really tries to blend in. His mayoral campaign in the early game (even if based on cookies), is the exact opposite of that. Also, his case on Vayne seems genuine. Even if it was incorrect, I can sympathize with the analysis, and I can't see it being malicious coming from Shaio. | ||
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The bitchfight thing. I think in this circumstance, you made a big deal out of a whole lotta nothing. Either cause you felt BH was being a dick, or you thought you could attack BH over it. I think its the second one and its scummy. Well first of all, please separate my actual suspicions of BH with my morality spazz. I honestly just really hated the way he was going after you. I think such antagonism leads to a very negative town atomsphere. But you didn't answer my questions: Townies "bitch-fight" all the time, true or false? I "bitch-fight" in my town games, true or false? I "bitch fight" in my scum-games, true or false? Answers bolded for you. Yeah i would be excited as scum cause I know who flips what, not so excited as town because i really rather lynch scum that have a blue role. Why are you excited about getting a blue role????? Why wouldn't I be excited about getting a power role? It's like getting a brand new video game. I got excited about the only good thing to happen at the Day 1 flip. I just think that it could be you got scum, then was worried if you played lurky and passive, you would get lynched. Thats what happened when mocsta said he was gonna change his playstyle but then rolled scum and played the same way. PRECEDENCE. All this "I could have done this" or "I could have done that" talk is fallicious. Unlike other people who have changed their scum-meta, I already have a well-established one. I have tried to change it multiple times and have miserably failed every time. Or let me pose the question: sure it is possible that I'm playing by far the best scum-game of my TL career, but how likely is it? I dont understand why you think BH is scum beyond 'antagonizing' me(not true) and thinking jampi was town. Those are horrible reasons. Please have better ones. I'm rather conflicted on BH tbh. I made that clear in this post: On June 11 2013 11:31 Hapahauli wrote: Yes and no. I have a conflicting read on you, in that I think you are being useless and scummy, however you're really really annoying this game and have an attitude that appears not to care about your perception in the thread. I'm not sure which one outweighs which right now. BH's only major analytical contributions this game are a handful of town-reads, as well as what I perceive to be a bad tunnel on you. Furthermore, his push of you is filled with personal insults, and it looked like he wanted to provoke you more than anything else. Whether or not you actually were antagonized by BH is really not the issue - the issue is one of BH's intent. However I have reasons to think that BH is town as well. He doesn't seem to care much about his image, and generally when I try to lynch players for being annoying, it ends fairly badly. That's the feeling I have about BH right now - he's being annoying, which is a sign that he's showing a town mentality, and not posting to please the town and blend in. Anything else I can address for you? At a certain point though, I can't really defend myself against a person who's not willing to take the time and thought to read my filter and objectively think about it. So even if you don't think I'm town, I have to have 1 or 2 scumbuddies, so I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts about other suspects. | ||
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On June 11 2013 13:34 goodkarma wrote: Hi all. It was feeling like it was either I replace in or DP gets modkilled. I know how much it sucks for someone to get modkilled, so here I am. Unfortunately though, I will not be able to be fully caught up until tomorrow. A couple quick things.: Lynching Jampi for being lurkish, with no other real second candidate, was very bad. We're now left with little information to go off of next lynch cycle, so let's please not do this day 2... Well what's done is done. I think Day 1 lurker lynches are good, though that's a discussion for post-game I suppose. As far as who Hapa should "vigi" with his mayor powers, I haven't seen anyone so far that looks very scummy. In many ways, I'd rather you hold off the shot. If you can find two people you're confident are town, it's very likely at least one of them will survive until tomorrow. It's not like should you die the shot dies with you, as is normally the case with vigis and one reason why vigis like to shoot on night one. But if you absolutely must vigi someone tonight, I'd hit one of the lurkers that is likely not going to be any easier to read in upcoming days: Sylencia or Stutters. I would much prefer Sylencia over Stutters given I do believe from the past games we've played I could get some grasp of Stutter's alignment later this game. I'll give everything a good read-through tomorrow. Good night. The bolded is what I was thinking as well. However I was leaning more towards Stutters, since I thought his vote on jampi was the worst of the bunch. But more of that in my next post. | ||
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On June 11 2013 04:59 Stutters695 wrote: What the fuck did I miss? Read your case on jampi hapa, I liked it. I need to read everything I missed but are there any particular things you want me to comment on? Going to check jampis filter but it seems like you're onto something. ...in which he agrees with my case, then promptly votes jampi, and proceeds to do not much else. | ||
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On June 11 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Gk is scum. Hapa second scum. . ez pz. Hapa scum for not seeing how scummy GK's thing was. GK says he doesnt have scum reads. COME ON DUDE. And he wants to kill lurkers. Thats the scummiest 1st post ever. You're joking right? He's a replacement. | ||
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Right after I post my case on jampi, he acknowledges my case (somewhat), hint's that it's good, but doesn't commit to anything: On June 11 2013 04:00 Blazinghand wrote: I like that case. consider me provisionally onboard until in done with dinner and can evaluate more cortically and can compare with my confidence on oats He then votes jampi... ... for the justification that jampi is a better lynch than the claimed cop. Note how he still really hasn't talked about jampi's behavior at all. He then all of a sudden wants to last-minute switch on Oats. Note how he doesn't mention jampi at all, which is silly considering that the only reason to switch to Oats would be if he thought jampi was very, very townie: On June 11 2013 10:57 Blazinghand wrote: I don't think I believe oats as town any more. Something about it just doesn't smell right to me. I KNOW he's liek this a lot as scum... but still. Does anyone want to lynch him? I'm willing to swap. Then finally after everything is effectively over, he starts lamenting over the fact that he is convinced that jampi is town: On June 11 2013 11:02 Blazinghand wrote: well it's too late now. I should have started the shennannies earlier. It's on me for not saving you jampi. On June 11 2013 11:02 Blazinghand wrote: dude the only thing that matters is oats is scum. why would scum jampi liek come back to the thread at the last mintue when it's too late to even save himelf BH seems too sure that jampi is town given the evidence he provides. Scum posting a couple of times before they are lynched is a completely normal occurrance on TL, yet BH takes jampi's handful of posts and pretty much is dead sure that jampi is town. Finally, his whole push to get Oat's lynched at the last minute and save jampi is the most half-assed sequence of events ever. BH basically flails rather than effectively gets anything done. | ||
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On June 11 2013 14:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Its 27 pages. Its not that hard to at least have 1 scum read. Hapa whos scum... I had already posted my read on Stutters, and now I'm back to BH being a good scum-candidate. | ||
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On June 11 2013 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Him being a replacement makes him town, how? It makes him nothing. It makes him null. You can't read a guy off of one post. | ||
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On June 11 2013 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Vig him hapa. Vig him or GK. Vig BH so he cant mislynch me. pls. pls. What about GK's first post is so scummy that I should vig him for it? It's fairly common practice to give replacements a cycle to let them catch up in the thread and read them. Making hasty decisions about GK isn't necessary. What is your read on BH right now? | ||
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On June 11 2013 14:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Stutters isnt scum, he plays like this all the timeeeeee. Ok. GK is scum cause he has no scum reads over 27 pages and wants to kill lurkers who are the same every game. EXCEPT Syl isnt actually being lurky this game and you can totally read him. Also, he criticizes a town lynch. To look like he wouldve done differently. This isnt a hasty decision, that was a horrifically scummy post. Talk to me about your Syl read. And Stutters. Secondly, you can't expect GK to replace in, and immediately read 27 pages of filter within an hour. He said he'd catch up tomorrow morning, so let him catch up and then make a decision about it based on his reads. That's my plan anyway. It makes him nothing. It makes him null. You can't read a guy off of one post. Not true. Correction: you can't reliably read someone off of one post. | ||
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On June 11 2013 15:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Its more difficult as scum to fabricate a scum read cause they already know who is scum. So unless they want to attack their teammates, they have to fake a scumread off stuff they know comes from town. However for town, at the start of the game, you have no idea who looks like scum. Then you read peoples filter and the game, scumreads will come. There will be people you think are scum. Being correct or not doesnt really come into it. Thats when you flip your read. But no town player at the end of day 1 should be like, "i have no clue who is scum". So therefore not having a scum read or scum reads is scummy. I used to have that problem playing scum, like I would delay by saying I dont know who is scum then trying my hardest to find someone. I completely disagree with this. I've played many many games of mafia, and through all my experiences, there's no correlation between people who have no scumreads and being scummy. In fact, the scummiest thing you can do in GK's situation is to immediately replace in and have an extraordinarily "clean" story. For example you see scum very often replace into a game and immediately be confident and know what's going on, enough to fudge 1-2 scum-reads and "push" them. | ||
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Also regarding your read on Syl... Syl is town cause he is trying to win the game, not staying in the background. It doesn't seem like Syl is at the forefront of things, and I really don't get the sense of "not staying in the background" from his posting that you seem to. So what specifically about his posting makes him town? Also, how is his posting different in this game as compared to his scum games? | ||
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On June 11 2013 15:04 Oatsmaster wrote: If hapa shoots me lynch him. Also, I've made it very clear that I think you are town and I wouldn't shoot you. My choice today is between BH and one of the lurkers. | ||
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I'm more interested in hearing your suspicions of Oats, because I haven't seen any compelling reasons from you for why Oats is scum. | ||
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Anyway, I await your reasons for finding Oats scum, because I have no intention of shooting him without very compelling evidence that he is scum. And his behavior/meta strongly suggests that he's town. | ||
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Well. Why do we lynch people? Its cause they dont really want to lynch scum, they want to stay alive. Isnt the best way of staying alive not antagonizing someone without fully making sure that it wont look bad? No scum reads is the most middling of grounds, you dont have to justify anything, and no one gets mad at you. Thats why its scummy. There is a correlation between no scum reads and scum. Well no, the best way to stay alive is to please the town by fudging one or two scumreads. Let me approach your heuristic a different way - give me a specific example from one of your past scum-games where you have caught someone based on this heuristic (i.e. a replacement not giving scumreads in his/her first post). | ||
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On June 11 2013 17:49 Blazinghand wrote: im just saying you can't say i started it Ok, so why should I be shooting Oats then? Still no reasoning. | ||
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On June 11 2013 17:54 Blazinghand wrote: Look like seriously the for realz answer is that scattered throughout D1 I laid out some fairly reasonable reasons for oats being scum. I don't think it was properly refuted. What you want me to do isn't to provide a reason (I've given plenty of reasons), what you want me to do is convince you and that will require a second look at oat's filter, analysis of his meta, and so on. I really don't have time for that right now, I'm about to sit down to dinner. After dinner I'll be glad to help out, but until then little snippets is all I can manage. Your main rationale seems to be that you disagree with Oats logic and reasoning. However this rings incredibly hollow since Oats being illogical is part of both his scum and town play. [Insert BH venn diagram here] [Insert comment about "IGNORE THE ORANGE PART"] The second main part of your reason to lynch Oats is that you couldn't track his rationale for thinking that you are scum whilst simultaneously doubting your town-read on me. However this relies on the assumption of logic, which isn't always present in Oats town games. Also, I don't see anything fundamentally illogical about Oats position on the matter, since he was pretty clear that he was suspicious of us both but thought that only one of us was scum. | ||
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I think Oats fundamentally is a player who avoids the spotlight as scum. He understands that people don't take him seriously, and uses it to his advantage to post cases on random players and blend in. In this game, he's arguably the biggest attention whore. Going after the obv-town leader of the thread is pretty suicidal if he's scum. And perhaps he understands all this and is faking it, but that's some next-level shit that I don't think he's capable of. His behavior here reminds me of Witchcraft Mini where JX and Eywa were convinced I was scum for whatever insane reasoning. | ||
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On June 11 2013 18:22 Blazinghand wrote: If you shoot gravity man I'd be really happy since he's been asking me weird questions. My initial read on him is "trying too hard to look townie without analyzing". If you want i can filter dive him. Yeah what sticks out in my mind about Gravity Man is his really strange mayoral campaign (which was almost entirely built on spreading paranoia about me) and the strange questioning. But do filter dive him - I'm interested in hearing your thoughts. | ||
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On June 11 2013 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote: man it wasnt even a trick dude. Dont think so much. Think simple. Really? Might I remind you that you think I'm scum because I apparently understand my scum-play so much that I adapted and am magically playing an active scum-game despite having a reputation of being a terrible scum-player and having a large established history of it. And that I'm taking a town-leadership role which I've never come close to attempting to take in my scum-games ever. Ever. Instead of - town Hapa is leading the town like he always does. =/ | ||
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On June 11 2013 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont like gravity man backing down on his scumread on you hapa, when you wanted to call him scum for it. It looked like he was going for damage control and stuff. Well the thing is that he really never calls me scum. He spreads a lot of suspicion on me and says I can't be trusted, but never actually justified why. And then at a certain point, he arrives at a town-read on me. | ||
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Can you once and for all clear up your game history with me? I am curious overall as to why my actions towards this Hapahauli earlier in the game appear to be misrepresented by the members of the town I am attempting to protect. I believed I made it clear that since I had no idea as to his credentials or what he was capable of, I could not trust him until he showed himself capable, which, as the day progressed, he appeared to. You just mentioned that you didn't know who I was when you started playing this game, however that's a patent lie. You even used your own game-history with me to justify a town-read with me earlier in the game: On June 11 2013 04:34 GravityMan wrote: Given our past history, I believe the following represents how I view the above post: ##Mayor Vote: Hapahauli Note that I am aware of the issue of the detective claim from this VayneAuthority. Would you be certain that electing him would grant him some form of protection allowing him to make use of his role? This also assumes he can make use of his role well. Secondly, I'm very dissatisfied with your scum-hunting contributions this game. You've pitched yourself as scum-hunter extraordinaire, yet the most analysis we've gotten from you is a "case" on Sylencia that almost entirely justifies killing him based on him lurking rather than actually being scummy. | ||
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Dessert Mini, so probably a few months ago. Though keep in mind that I haven't played any game on TL in a few months. On June 11 2013 18:35 Oatsmaster wrote: it was a scumread not mentioned. But yeah he stopped attacking you not cause the reasons were good, but because he was afraid you were gonna push him. why you gotta look so townie NOW hapa. Why. .. . Isn't it good news that the guy who was elected mayor is townie? Why the sadface? | ||
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I want a chance to look at your read and see if it has any substance. There's a reasonable chance I get NK'd myself, and you posting at the deadline might kill any chance I have of seeing your contributions. | ||
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On June 12 2013 06:04 Blazinghand wrote: shoot gravity man imo Did you ISO him like you said you would last night? | ||
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On June 12 2013 06:55 Stutters695 wrote: I'm back, shooting me would be dumb, like it is every game. I'm checking into syl but I'm not sure how I feel about shooting him right now. Are there any questions you guys want me to answer while I'm typing stuff up? Not really. Just do something, cause you haven't really done anything =/ | ||
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Everyone else I have some sort of town-read on. Shaio and Axle are behaving very townie meta-wise. Vayne is claimed cop. Oats' push on me was misguided, but very genuine and attention-grabbing (he's town). I also think Sylencia's posting has been fairly townie. He's been productive in his own way, and I don't sense any maliciousness in his post. Very direct and to the point, even if a bit lurky. | ||
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If I decide to shoot one, it'll be at the lastest 1hour before the deadline. | ||
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I will submit my kill 10 minutes before the deadline. Stutters and GK both deserve extra days, and shooting either of them is a pure coinflip given their inactivity. Both of them are very readable if they post, and with or without my presence in the town, I trust that people will be able to read them in future days. For those suspicious of Syl, the same could be argued. GM has been active and has posted, but comes across as attempting to contribute rather than actually contributing. Furthermore he's been trumping up his scum-hunting contributions which are lackluster at best. Even the few players he does analyze, he never takes any concrete stances or even draws actual conclusions about them in his cases. | ||
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I'll be around to read, but don't expect or rely on me posting bombs of analysis in the next hour. I'll attempt to justify any possible switches/judgements I will make to the best of my ability, though it's better for town if others. | ||
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AxleGreaser ShaioPi Oatsmaster BlazingHand Sylencia GoodKarma Stutters Gravity Man | ||
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On June 12 2013 09:01 VayneAuthority wrote: Gravityman was my original cop inspection so changing that now. I'd recommend checking one of Syl/Stutters/GK | ||
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On June 12 2013 10:06 GravityMan wrote: Well I must admit I either cannot read you as well as I thought I once could, or I convinced you. I am honestly not sure which of those two it is. You say you do not have the information you want; I am aware revealing said lack of information would be counter-productive, but if you are indeed assassinated like so many good leaders tend to be, we may left in the dark on a useful heuristic. I mainly started the discussion about shooting someone tonight to keep discussion going and to make sure that people were on their toes tonight. That objective was fulfilled. As for the actual shot, tbh I just don't feel comfortable shooting someone given the circumstances. This thread isn't active, and I don't have a very strong scumread on you (even if I may trump it up some for the sake of discussion). | ||
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On June 12 2013 10:47 Blazinghand wrote: wow i actually personally dislike GM now It's funny, because you two post so similarly that I confuse you all the time >> | ||
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On June 12 2013 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote: no hapa. NOO What do you mean by stutters being easy to read? As far as I know, he never rolled scum. Oh seriously? Huh. I was just going off of what GK had said. But no I'm not shooting Stutters. I'm more just antsy before the end of the night. | ||
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Where have you guys been? >> | ||
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On June 12 2013 10:56 Blazinghand wrote: i get what you're saying hapa but you better have 3 solid as hell town reads cause even odds you're dead tonight Unless there are two KP, either myself or Vayne will be mayor tomorrow. Also the people I listed as #2 and #3 I firmly believe to be town. | ||
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On June 12 2013 10:58 GravityMan wrote: Why are so many people showing their faces in the thread just as the night is about to end? My sentiments exactly. I might need to reconsider oats, because he has this really nasty habit of ignoring all major discussion and coming in and lambasting people right before the end of a cycle. | ||
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On June 15 2013 13:38 ShiaoPi wrote: oh btw I want to dedicate a special thank you to hapa for making me decide to really run for mayor. From the dephts of the scum QT: In retrospect pretty golden  I had no idea you'd have the balls to do that as scum o_O | ||
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It was a first post. You had a 25% chance of being correct. Nothing about what we were saying on Day 1 about it was it "NOPE GK TOWN". His post was null. Though to be fair, I probably would have shot him when I saw his 2nd post :3 | ||
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