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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
Gravity Man for Mayor Now all of you are asking right now, "Who is this upstart young robot, and why should we elect him mayor of our little town?" To that I answer, because I am seeking more from my life. Up until now, the thought of using my powers only for destruction has weighed heavily upon my cold steel shoulders and I yearned to make up for that which I hath wrought in the past. The attraction of a power role cannot be taken lightly, of course, nor can the massive responsibility associated with it, whatever it may be beyond the double vote. "But surely we have no idea who this metal man even is!" First of all, I am not Metal Man. That is this guy. ![[image loading]](http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_small/3/38919/1830566-metal_man.jpg) I am this guy. ![[image loading]](http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000013047445-nkxw7w-crop.jpg?9d68d37) No resemblance in the slightest. Well our chassis are both red but that is all. The point is that it does not matter who I am, or what I am built from. What matters is the fluid that courses through my body is green. What matters is what I will do for this town as its mayor. I promise completely transparent reads and analysis so you need never question my alignment. I promise strong activity levels so you need not wonder whether or not I am lurking. I promise to hunt scum until my gears turn their very last, my positronic brain shorts out, my joints rust and my core dies. There are others within this game that will promise to do the very same things as I. But can they, as mere flesh and blood beings, offer you the efficiency that I can? Surely not. I will crush the scum who have infiltrated this town under the weight of a thousand thousand suns. I will engineer their slow destruction as their very molecules are ripped apart with the force of a black hole. But let me not convince you through words, let me convince you with action. ##Mayor Vote: GravityMan "But GravityMan!" You say. "How dare you go up against the most active player in the thread thus far?" Because I simply cannot trust a man who makes an obvious grab for power after pushing and supporting a townread of his so early and for so long. This townread who, himself, has done absolutely nothing to deserve the honor and responsibility that comes with the mayoral title. It appears as though a farce, a show of confidence simply to establish his towniness in the thread so that eventually he may gain the trust of others and rob his townread of the title he so promised. To what end I know not thus far, but you can be sure I will get to the heart of the matter. I invite you now, one and all, to join me in the rousting of those who would wish us ill from our midst. I welcome any and all questions you have for me, for as you begin understanding where it is I come from, so too can I begin my understanding of the thoughts in your relatively soft cranial cavities. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 10:30 Hapahauli wrote: Dearest GravityMan, I have no interest in seeing people run mayoral campaigns over empty political promises. My only desire is to see the best scumhunter in the game elected mayor so he/she may have the most influence over the game as possible. So what are your scum-hunting credentials? Furthermore, what are your reads thusfar? Lastly, what are your reasons for not wanting me to be elected mayor? The baseless and unjustified criticism you directed my way in your intro post doesn't cut it. Hello Hapahauli. It is nice to meet you. The problem with electing the best scumhunter in the game as mayor, you see, is the fact that said scumhunter may themselves be scum. Now as for my 'credentials:' You know very well as a complex robot designed only to cause death and destruction by controlling the flows of gravity previous to this game, I have no previous credentials. Your desire to base the mayoral candidacy entirely on meta reads of people is flawed by design because this early into a game it is very easy to act in accordance with one's previous towny-looking games. It makes more sense, as you yourself stated, to base said candidacy on actions rather than words. My reads - I have a couple of townreads I would prefer not to divulge at the present time as it is not advantageous to our situation at the current time. As far as scumreads go, again there is not a great deal to go on right now as the discussion has been quite uninspired thus far. We still have a full Earth's revolution to go, however, and there is much that can be learned in such a short period of time. I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own. Now if I may ask you some questions: Why change your mind from the man ShiaoPi? You said he is a good scumhunter in his own right, did you not? What are you basing this on? Do you feel yourself to be a better player than him? What do you think of this jampidampi thus far? What do you make of the inactivity of the one knows as DarthPunk, a player who is generally seen to be fairly active? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 10:43 AxleGreaser wrote: I do have to stop making my first reads based on the users name... Trouble is I keep being right... + Show Spoiler + Name+long long silence => lame joke was incoming I user hope gravity man appreciates the gravity of choosing to be the most fashionably late entrant and can now live up to it. What exactly does my entrance to the thread have to do with living up to what people may or may not expect of me? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 11:10 Hapahauli wrote: EBWOP Didn't finish this. Your statement here... Reads to me like a huge cop-out. Your entire candidacy so far has been based on a) words and b) because you claim you're town and c) you're a japanese robot. You are entirely correct in your assessment of myself in that I have not provided sufficient means to make you or the rest of town trust me through my actions. Do remember, however, that once again the day is but half over and I have only posted a handful of times. I hope to make it fairly obvious as both time and space progress. To answer one of your queries before I progress to the answers you provided; I prefer not to bases my analyses and reads on the previous actions of other players. It is an unnecessary strain on my capacitors and have minimal space left in my memory banks. Now you have actually gone some way in determining your capacity to me as a potential mayoral candidate; certainly much more than this ShiaoPi. I still hesitate to remove my vite from myself but know that I am not yet locked in, and should it be made clear to me that someone's abilities are superior to my own then I will gladly vote accordingly. Your townread of this jampidampi was confusing me I must admit, because there was very little I could glean from his filter that seemed to be specifically aligned towards the town. Of course the time-post scenario you have outlined is what stood out to me the most and I didn't understand why you were so quick to acknowledge his defense. Your second point regarding his questioning appears valid, yet again his activity level leaves it difficult to reach a strong conclusion. I would agree with you in that this jampidampi would be my strongest read into the scumplayers for today thus far, and yet this is relatively speaking (as I must), so I cannot give it a great deal of weight yet. I have much to expect from this DarthPunk so I eagerly await his arrival to the thread. Now as you have correctly mentioned, I have not had the chance to do a great deal of hunting myself, thus I begin: VayneAuthority: you mention early on in the game you do not trust this AxleGreaser. May I inquire as to why? On June 10 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote: remember that this is semi-closed setup so we dont even know if theres a medic or anything. Getting voted as mayor is pretty much a death sentence and I think BH sees it the same way I do. Don't want a fucking target on my back to start the game. You also mention that you do not want a target on your back, yet the way you currently post you clearly do not mind attracting attention to yourself, not unlike the attraction of two gravitational bodies. This appears contradictory. Can you comment please? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 11:20 AxleGreaser wrote: I am not sure what you are asking perhaps because you are not sure what I said. so... (outside of the newbies games) In my experience people typically turn up in threads late, either because of actually true IRL issues. or because they estimate themselves to be a good enough player, that they can turn up late, and either through reputation, but in your case as you are a smurf, through their actions in the thread establish their innocence enough to live through the first lynch. This has side effect benefit in say BHs case of increasing the chances he will live through the night. Turning up late, if you are scum, like lurking is a strategy that might be used to avoid giving input until you see the lay of the land (who has time to play how well this game) and work out how to position your scum strategy in the game. As it can benefit scum, it is a thing they would want to do, however as it is thing they would want to do people not giving input (by lurking, turning up late) looks scummy. Because it looks scummy, scum tend not to do it...etc unto infinite recursion, hence what i label as WIFOM. While it is WIFOM the conditional probabilities are not entirely null. it thus changes my expectations of you. Your explanation is somewhat sufficient, thank you for the clarification. What is not clear to me however, is your actual read of me. Do you regard me as scum or town currently, based on what little you know of me and what I have posted in this thread? I assume you would regard me differently if I were another person, so let me also ask you: if I were a well-known player who is known for strong scumhunting skills how would you regard me given my posting being exactly the same? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote: there's no contradiction here. Posting like this makes scum keep me alive so I can continue playing the game, while being mayor would make them want to kill me more. also not that I think axlegreaser is scum, I meant more that I do not trust him to be mayor as I can't understand half his posts so it wouldn't be in my best interest. So you feel that attracting seemingly negative attention to yourself you are then doing the town a service by distracting them from more appropriatel targets at hand (assuming you are town)? Why do you feel the need to survive well into the game? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 11:43 VayneAuthority wrote: Do you join games with the intent of not being able to play it? Obviously to enjoy the game. Bit of a weird question. If you got N1'ed every game it wouldn't be very fun would it To be sure. But also to be sure is that someone inevitably must die on the first night. Do you envision yourself a strong mafia player in general, one that the scum are likely to target on the first night if you play to your full capacity? Forgive me if I am being presumptuous but I find it disconcerting that one would purposefully handicap their own strong play and purposefully not help the town so that they may survive to a point in the game where it may become more difficult to win. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 12:10 Hapahauli wrote: @ Gravity Man I look forward to seeing your scum-hunting efforts. However, I do have one more bone to pick with you: You have already made two attempts to insinuate suspicion on me with no justifications. Mayoral campaign or not, throwing unjustified shit at another player is unacceptable and anti-town. What is your read on me? What are your specific reasons to not support my candidacy and/or distrust me? On June 10 2013 12:10 Hapahauli wrote: @ Gravity Man I look forward to seeing your scum-hunting efforts. However, I do have one more bone to pick with you: You have already made two attempts to insinuate suspicion on me with no justifications. Mayoral campaign or not, throwing unjustified shit at another player is unacceptable and anti-town. What is your read on me? What are your specific reasons to not support my candidacy and/or distrust me? Hapahauli your explanation as to why you switched to supporting this ShiaoPi was sufficient for me to understand your mindset. My second comment was merely a generalization, though I must admit if you in fact view yourself as the best hunter of scum in this game then I can see why you would see it as self-targeting. My read of you as of our current discussion is different from what it would have been before our discussion; I no longer have any direct reason to suspect you. What I once saw as a blatant power grab I now see as a simple re-estimation of abilities. As such I have a null read of you leaning towards town. Your current confidence level gives me hope although since you base a great deal of your platform on your ability to catch scum, I would expect for you to be able to follow up on this, much as you expect from me. I will not be removing my vote from myself as I stated earlier. For now, let us be content to hunt scum as allies. Whether we are, in fact, remains to be seen of course. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 12:02 VayneAuthority wrote: Nope not really, I am better at scum than town. I'm not trying to hide anything, it's just how I play If it is just the way you play, I am unsure as to why you would feel that scum are likely to kill you on the first night. Thank you for answering my queries, however. I have one final question for you. You vote for this Hapahauli as it seems to be the direction the majority of active town are heading at the moment. I take it this means you are finished trying to create conversation by going against the general sentiment? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://megaman.neoseeker.com/w/i/megaman/9/9c/Fireman.gif) I find it interesting that this jampidampi has actually queried something similar to that which I may have asked of you. I might have framed it in a less accusatory manner, however. Blazinghand, what is it about the three you have mentioned, that is, yourself, Hapahauli, and VayneAuthority, that makes them the best mayoral candidates in your eyes? I require specifics. I am less concerned with your activity level for the moment. The master of Oats appears to be picking up his game. I am also curious as to whether he truly believes the man of incendiary hands is in fact a member of the mafia considering he has offered barely any reasoning as to his suspicions and his choice of lynch vote. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 13:37 jampidampi wrote: GravityMan seems to little a few too many words. Dunno if that is somehow related to him trying roleplay or him trying to appear as contributin more. Do smurfs usually roleplay? My universal translator must be malfunctioning as I cannot understand exactly what it is you have said here. On June 10 2013 13:59 jampidampi wrote: Look at ShiaoPis posts at that point. There isn't really anything alignment indicative. In this light it would sense for me to have a null read on him right? Then someone comes and tells me with high confidence that he is town without reasoning. I then ask for his reasoning to validate it. You've somehow managed to assume I suspected ShiaoPi. It is more like there weren't any good reasons to think he is town, hence your townread on him looked really odd. In the 7-minute window, I did not stop to think about you or your alignment since that was not what I was trying to figure out at that time. The first part of my post is answearing to Sylencia, and is in no way related to you. I also don't know how you have gathered that I have a town read on you? Subconsious trust =/= trust. This second post interests me as it appears to be the second time of note that this Hapahauli appears to be misrepresenting the tone of one's posts. jampidampi, if you are indeed validating here that you in no way thought that this ShiaoPi was scummy with your earlier posting, do you think it is scummy that this Hapahauli would try to paint you as such? I must admit my thinking has been similar to his. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
As such I will bring it to thread currently along with updated reads considering much conversation has happened in the time that I have been absent, albeit simply between two fairly hard-headed individuals. ShiaoPi brings up that he thinks this VayneAuthority does not look so good to him. I will admit while he did readily answer many of my questions, I not did not feel satisfied with our discussion because, unlike my back-and-forth with this Hapahauli, it was very much one-sided in that it did not seem as though this VayneAuthority was interested in divining my alignment whatsoever. Specifically I made a point of noting his final response to me: On June 10 2013 12:48 VayneAuthority wrote: I can't reveal everything about my play or scum will be able to hide too easily, let's just say it has a purpose though This strikes me as something I absolutely must hold him to otherwise he simply escapes the conversation with no details revealed. Related to this is the answer given to me by this Blazinghand regarding his top mayoral candidates. He goes into great detail explaining his regard for this Hapahauli and his seemingly monstrous ego belies what he thinks of himself, which is acceptable, though I do not feel the same earnestness when he speaks of this VayneAuthority. As for VA, I have been nothing but impressed by his play that I've seen. He's been a capable scumhunter, and he utterly hoodwinked me in Les Mafia. Whereas most of the player list is cluttered with jubjubs and followers (if you're reading this, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the other guys), VA is smart. He's not a veteran in terms of games played but for his excellent play in my interactions with him I consider him a vet. That being said, the guy DID utterly hoodwink me, which means the fact that I have a townread on him is meaningless. I can't catch him when he's scum-- or at least, not yet. Anyone that good I'd keep an eye on-- but if he's town, he can use the power wisely. Given my strong townread on hapa though I see no reason to entrust VA with the power. He brings up a past in game in which he was impressed by this VayneAuthority's play as a man of the scum variety, yet nebulously brings up the interactions he has with the man regarding his town play and his scumhunting. I have not seen anything this game that shows this as evident, therefore I must believe he is impressed with VayneAuthroity's play from past games, yet why not reference these and only the scum game? It is also curious that right at the end of this paragraph he seems to back up on the strength of his lauding of this VayneAuthority saying he sees to no reason to entrust him with the mayoral candidacy...could this be because he also realizes right here that his scum game is what is most to be feared from the man and not the strength of his town game? I also personally have not seen anything from this VayneAuthority this game that shows him to be a strong town player; he himself admits to me that he is a much better scum player than town player and plays the way he does simply to survive. I do not regard this as strong town play, yet this Blazinghand does, for unknown reasons. I am curious as to what other active members of the thread think on this VayneAuthority. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Unrelated to the above, I was impressed with this AxleGreaser's attempt to read into both me and the other active members of this game; it appears a genuine venture to gain an understand of what we are all about, a decidedly town-aligned trait. I would like to hear more in general from this jampidampi as I am not entirely sure he is my strongest read into the scum faction any longer. The interaction between the master of Oats and this Blazinghand is difficult for me to process. I must spend more time on it. This ShiaoPi's triumphant return to the thread excited me and had my circuits buzzing. I would like to hear more from him like we have all just seen, and seeing him on the attack gave me newfound trust in Hapahauli's earlier words that this ShiaoPi is a strong player in his own right. It seems as though people are mistrustful of me because I am but a mechanical man and a stranger to their comfortable ideals of what a mayor should be. As such I withdraw my name from the candidacy and only hope that we will be making the right decision in but a few hours. ##Mayor Unvote | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
As he is l'homme du jour, however I certainly would not mind if he returned to continue his campaign to oust the scum from this game. Sylencia. Hello. If you are not currently otherwise occupied, I have some queries for you that I feel would help me gain a better understand of you. If you would answer them I would be greatly pleased. Do you have any reads on scum other than this VayneAuthority? What do you make of the altercation between the Oatsmaster and this Blazinghand? You mention that you are often lynched early in other games. Why is this? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 03:05 VayneAuthority wrote: I feel like this is a really easy game now after gathering some basic info I feel (as capable as I am feeling at all, of course) that you are now just adding to a list of things the rest of town and I must hold you to as the game progresses. Tell me, do you have anything to say regarding my most recent lengthy post or any of the accusations against you? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
You intrigue me with this. I fear I must repeat earlier question brought up by this ShiaoPi and ask, why do you feel that it is necessary to withhold information from the town on the day of a lynch and election? How do you feel this will assist in our ability to catch the scum rather than send the thread into chaos mere hours before the deadline? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
Blazinghand, I ask politely that you respond to the following section of my earlier post. Related to this is the answer given to me by this Blazinghand regarding his top mayoral candidates. He goes into great detail explaining his regard for this Hapahauli and his seemingly monstrous ego belies what he thinks of himself, which is acceptable, though I do not feel the same earnestness when he speaks of this VayneAuthority. He brings up a past in game in which he was impressed by this VayneAuthority's play as a man of the scum variety, yet nebulously brings up the interactions he has with the man regarding his town play and his scumhunting. I have not seen anything this game that shows this as evident, therefore I must believe he is impressed with VayneAuthroity's play from past games, yet why not reference these and only the scum game? It is also curious that right at the end of this paragraph he seems to back up on the strength of his lauding of this VayneAuthority saying he sees to no reason to entrust him with the mayoral candidacy...could this be because he also realizes right here that his scum game is what is most to be feared from the man and not the strength of his town game? I also personally have not seen anything from this VayneAuthority this game that shows him to be a strong town player; he himself admits to me that he is a much better scum player than town player and plays the way he does simply to survive. I do not regard this as strong town play, yet this Blazinghand does, for unknown reasons. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote: this is actually really scummy are you softing here that your scumteam doesnt have rb capabilities so you just want me dead? Nothing about your post makes sense. the town's incompetency to scumhunt when ive been softing blue is what caused this. why if you think im cop would you want me not protected I disagree with your comment. I would posit that acting purposefully mysterious and dropping hints without any details is not a good way to hide the fact that you have a power role, rather it makes you look incredibly suspicious. The best thing in my opinion that you could have done to avoid suspicion would have been most probably if you had actually played the game as I had suggested earlier. I am also unsure as to why you chose this specific moment to claim. Did you feel that my questioning of you specifically was liable to get you lynched or was it simply a coincidence that you claimed while we were discussing and you were already worried about those currently voting for you? Regarding those who have followed along with ShiaoPi's voting, whom of those do you think are scum? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 10 2013 16:21 jampidampi wrote: Oops, sorry. My thoughts were faster than my typing, so part of the orginal sentence seems to be missing. To be more clear, I'll reword it completely: My first impression of you was that you use too many words to say what you want to say. I couldn't figure out if that was because you trying to appear to contribute more, or because that is how you speak. Upon rereading, it seems that the latter is more probable. I wouldn't call him scum for it, since it seems that others (you, stutters) too have interpreted my post in ways I never thought they would be interpreted. Do you believe his response to my questions of him? Were his insinuations of your scumminess completely innocent? As you answer this I ask that you also glance at our early conversation where you also assumed I was calling you scum. Are there differences between these two insinuations to you? With regards to your latest case, the evidence appears strong. I remain wary however since this jampidampi appears to be new to the game of scum and town and it is still entirely possible that it is simply his mindset as to lynch reasoning that is in error, however unlikely. To conclude, I believe I will be able to absorb the meaning behind the electrical impulses in his brain once this jampidampi responds to the accusations (assuming he does) but until that point in time, I am forced to relinquish my reservations in the trusting of you. ##Lynch vote: jampidampi | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
##Mayor Vote: Hapahauli Note that I am aware of the issue of the detective claim from this VayneAuthority. Would you be certain that electing him would grant him some form of protection allowing him to make use of his role? This also assumes he can make use of his role well. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
Sylencia - I queried you earlier and received no response. AxleGreaser - I thoroughly enjoy our intercourse and await your return so that we may converse more. Stutters - Your contribution to this game has been severely lacking in my opinion, and there is a great deal for you to comment on. You may choose the topic, however I expect something with weight to it. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 05:37 Blazinghand wrote: hey looks like people have finally realized VA is a terrible candidate for mayor! :D I don't remember Shiao's meta. That being said he's put himself "out there" and although it's for silly reasons it makes more sense for a town player to do this than for a scum player to draw extra attention to himself. He's not qualified to be mayor because he's not you me or VA, I don't remember him making big plays. the only advantages to a guy like shiao being mayor is that it gives scum a harder decision of who to shoot at night. I mean also he's probably not scum so I prefer him over a rando, but there you have it. If I can't see you or VA stepping to the role, I'm in for it, since my usual tactics work infinitely better with twice the votes to back them up, but without the D1 "pick the lynch" power it's just not as enticing. As for VA, I have been nothing but impressed by his play that I've seen. He's been a capable scumhunter, and he utterly hoodwinked me in Les Mafia. Whereas most of the player list is cluttered with jubjubs and followers (if you're reading this, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the other guys), VA is smart. He's not a veteran in terms of games played but for his excellent play in my interactions with him I consider him a vet. That being said, the guy DID utterly hoodwink me, which means the fact that I have a townread on him is meaningless. I can't catch him when he's scum-- or at least, not yet. Anyone that good I'd keep an eye on-- but if he's town, he can use the power wisely. Given my strong townread on hapa though I see no reason to entrust VA with the power. Oh man with hands and mouth of fire, I believe there are unanswered queries for you in my filter that you had informed me (or someone named granny man?) that you would be responding to. I believe your words were: "I'll get right on it?" | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
While you are at it, Blazinghand, are you the type to back down when admonished? Does this Hapahaulli play the role of 'thread police' often? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:08 Blazinghand wrote: No I usually don't back down when admonished. I don't remember if hapa plays the 'thread police' very often but he seems unusually butthurt this game so just be nice to him. Interesting. This term 'butthurt' is new to me. Let me sync up with an online database. Butthurt: An inappropriately strong negative emotional response from a perceived personal insult. Characterized by strong feelings of shame. Frequently associated with a cessation of communication and overt hostility towards the "aggressor." Adam got butthurt when Mike stole his bitch. Do you think that this Hapahauli is personally insulted by your play or shamed by it? He certainly does not seem to me ceasing communication. As far as being nice is concerned, my AI did not include high levels of emotional response. I suppose I have behaved thus far in a way one might deem as 'being nice,' yet I do not know if I have the capability to cause one to be 'butthurt.' | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:16 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah so basically I initially said this: because coming into this blind I percieved 3 players who I've played with before who are good. Me, hapa, Vayne. The initial statement was "i'd only consider these 3" since they're the only qualified ones. Hapa and me for obvious reasons, vayne because he schooled me last game. Now, I don't know if i came off correctly when I was trying to explain why i was voting hapa and vayne, but basically i was saying "vayne is qualified, but have a townread on hapa". the idea is that i think (or thought, at the time ) of vayne as a good player based on my previous play. As a scum player he looked a lot like a town player, and yeah obviously that wasn't a town game but a guy that smart has gotta make a good town player, right? well apparently not, he claimed cop D1. so yeah, vote hapa I am not sure your answer is sufficient. You said you were impressed by his play. Are you referring to the single game in which he 'hoodwinked' you as scum? Were there not other games in which he played with you? How did he perform in those games? You call him a veteran in terms of play. I have seen what a 'veteran' such as this Hapahauli is capable of and this VayneAuthority has shown nothing by comparison. Given the way you view yourself as similar to this 'veteran' status, I find it very hard to believe you'd lightly throw a term like this around and give it to VayneAuthority when it is extremely clear to one such as me that he does not deserve it. You are capable of fairly good analysis, I assume? Why give this VayneAuthority such an honoured title that early in the game without any real analysis or reasoning? You seem to me as someone who does not enjoy being proven wrong. Am I wrong about this? You have admitted you were wrong about the town play skills of this VayneAuthority so this must not have been easy for you to do---you only admitted to it when I repeatedly brought it to the attention of the thread. You seemed perfectly content to move on to your new read of calling him 'bad' without drawing attention to your mistake. On that note it seems very easy for you to do as such; calling people 'jubjubs,' appears to denote your perceived superiority towards other people in the thread, yet you cower and back down not unlike a dog who has urinated on clean upholstery being scolded by its master when confronted by this Hapahauli. Would it be fair to assume you will only attack those whom you perceive to be 'beneath you?' Is this more likely to be a scum or town trait, or is it non-alignment indicative? What I am truly unsure about is the degree to which you actually care about your ego. I would think you're more likely to discard this ego as a scum player in favor of lying, but I cannot, of course, be sure. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 07:30 Hapahauli wrote: Gravity Man is asking a ton of really irrelevant questions to BH now that I'm reading the convo over again. In what way do you find my questions irrelevant? I am confused. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 08:00 Hapahauli wrote: Like none of this has to do anything with scumhunting. BH thinks I'm town - why does it matter what his feelings about my play are? As I am not delving into past games to determine alignment, for players I may be having trouble understanding it suits me to attempt to figure out what each player is thinking, capable of, and even feeling in order to determine a specific mindset. If you find that irrelevant that is your prerogative, however I do not deem it so. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 10:09 Blazinghand wrote: brb dinner Is there some way for you to prove to those of us present that you are actually consuming nutrients at the moment? A picture would suffice. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
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Perhaps you should lay a vote on somebody in the next 4 minutes if you do not want to be modkilled. Fair warning should be given regardless of alignment I feel to uphold the spirit of the game. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 10:59 Blazinghand wrote: Am I alone on this oats thing? I believe you are. While at one point I believed it was possible for this jampidampi to be lost in the sea of mafia players present in non-newbie-type games, Hapa's analysis of both this game and his past games would appear to present otherwise. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 10:59 jampidampi wrote: BTW i think we have two scum and some third parties. I fyou read the OP carefully, it doesn't give out the number of scum. Is this even a possibility? This also makes it seem as though this jampidampi was not aware of the presence of closed setups before this point. This post by jampidampi creates a pit in my stomach where I feel he may be newer to this than we may have thought. I will not change my vote at this stage as it allows for too much exploitation by possible mafia members. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 11:03 jampidampi wrote: Look, no one can give scum reads thats not me, how am I supposed to find scum? Is there absolutely nothing that anyone said throughout the entirety of this game that made you think twice? Is there anything at all that might be suspicious in the slightest that you can give us? At this point since you will cease to exist anyway you have nothing to lose, no matter how inane or irrelevant it sounds to you. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 11:04 jampidampi wrote: I think there is a SK or a survivor, or maybe even both I do not understand what would make you say this. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 11:07 jampidampi wrote: It's kinda imba if there are only two scum, right? Why do you speak as if you know for a fact that there are two scum? It is possible in a setup such as this to have two scum; there are many dependent factors including power roles and the presence of third party roles as you have mentioned. I have never heard of the presence of multiple third party roles in a game, especially in a small game such as this. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 11:09 Blazinghand wrote: given that it didn't succeed, the only person interested in lynching oats was the guy getting lynched, and i've been getting shit all day for being the only guy who has figured out oats is scum, i find your analysis pretty bad I do not believe many people besides this Hapahauli himself even mentioned you regarding your scum-read of the master of Oats. I am curious as to why you feel the need to portray this false confidence to the thread. You do not know for certain that Oats is scum, nor do any of us in here. Telling us thusly does not help out your case, nor does playing the martyr. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
I felt (and still feel) the cases were good, thus by nature I cannot offer much remorse as to my actions as I was simply performing my function. As the game progresses, however, I am still attempting to make up for the wrongs I have caused in the past. It is of course possible since no one quite yet understands the true nature of gravity that one does not face complete obliteration upon entering a black hole; rather they may escape unscathed somewhere else entirely. It is my hope that this fate befalls you, jampidampi. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 11:16 Hapahauli wrote: Well I'm going to condemn someone tonight. Who should it be? You realize by doing so you are only further placing the fate of this town into your hands alone? I am not sure I agree with the usage of this ability at the present time if the strength of a read is not crystal clear. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 11:21 ShiaoPi wrote: hmpf on jampi, but yeah that happened. I think it is a good idea to use your powera tonight hapa. no guranteed protection makes you vulnerable now. Better uae it up now. BH could you like do some coherent thinking? If you are so convinced on oats, do a case, try convincing us instead of jus sayin oats is scum. The bolded section makes a great deal of sense; it is a great deal of responsibility for one man to bear, however, especially one who largely led a mislynch on the first day of action. I suppose if the man is town-aligned though he is likely to want to use his newfound power for fear of it being transferred to someone who is not friendly to the green cause. It is unfortunate that we do not know whether or not we may be able to protect this Hapahauli either way; were I a different robot I could offer up a Leaf Shield or Star Crash but alas, I am not. My power is only useful for manipulating the very forces that hold the universe together. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 11 2013 11:23 Hapahauli wrote: I have a read, I just want to see if anyone mentions him before I do. I am intrigued by your comment. On June 11 2013 09:25 Sylencia wrote: Ok... day 1 claim is unfortunate  ##unvote is the obvious first move GravityMan: 1) No, not really, everyone is acting really erratically this game and it's making things kind of difficult to work out. 2) That argument was actually rather annoying - flamefests just spam up the thread uselessly and demoralises the town side most of the time. I don't even feel like there was anything productive that came from it... 3) Lurkerish, lynchbait, scum jump on my weak cases etc. etc. Unless Jampi shows up soon (he said he would be here around now right?), I'm going to put a vote on him going mostly on Hapa's reasoning. ##vote Jampi I am unsatisfied by Sylencia's answer to be earlier queries of him. To say that 'everyone is acting erratically' is offering absolutely nothing of use to the town, his answer given regarding the earlier altercation was simple and arguably the 'right' answer. He appears afraid to take a stance of his own or speak out and attract attention. His final point that he is 'lurkerish' and 'lynchbait,' concerns me, however because while this may be true, he is pre-emptively offering up an excuse as to his play in this very game. I certainly do not want to remove anyone from this plane of existence that is a member of the town who may appear to be scum, however given no other options I find it possible that this Sylencia could be a mafia member. At the very least he has not been useful to us thus far, and that is often what vigilante-type roles are used for, are they not? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
As such, I am confused as to the suspicions that people appear to have towards me. Is there a problem with the methodology I have been using throughout this game? Will firing a bullet through my positronic brain or central processing units make it easier to solve the game? If so then I welcome it, however I would argue that said bullet is probably better used on those that we are either sure are scum or are proving exceedingly difficult to read due to lack of activity. I am curious overall as to why my actions towards this Hapahauli earlier in the game appear to be misrepresented by the members of the town I am attempting to protect. I believed I made it clear that since I had no idea as to his credentials or what he was capable of, I could not trust him until he showed himself capable, which, as the day progressed, he appeared to. It could be my advanced intellect granted to me by my creator shining through, however this seems exceedingly simple to me. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 02:15 Hapahauli wrote: @ Gravity Man Can you once and for all clear up your game history with me? You just mentioned that you didn't know who I was when you started playing this game, however that's a patent lie. You even used your own game-history with me to justify a town-read with me earlier in the game: Secondly, I'm very dissatisfied with your scum-hunting contributions this game. You've pitched yourself as scum-hunter extraordinaire, yet the most analysis we've gotten from you is a "case" on Sylencia that almost entirely justifies killing him based on him lurking rather than actually being scummy. I would be glad to. I am not lying about having never before played a game of mafia alongside you or against you. I was referring to our past history within this current game, rather than another. When I said 'given our past history' I was referring to my earlier hesitation in trusting you with the mayoral title, but, as I recently mentioned, you adequately proved yourself to me through your activities throughout the day and as scuh, I was content to vote for you. I apologize for not living up to your idea of what my contributions should be, though I am curious as to how you think I have done no analysis aside from my recent post regarding this Sylencia. Have you forgotten multiple posts from earlier in the game? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415754¤tpage=16#317 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415754¤tpage=20#400 It concerns me that it appears to you that I am not contributing simply because I have not written multiple cases on people. As for what you view as a case on Sylencia based on his lurking, there are valid points within that point to him being a member of the mafia, however I am hesitant because he himself pointed out that he is often 'lynchbait,' that is, someone who appears scummy but is actually town. Is his assessment of himself made in truth? Does this in fact happen to him in multiple games? | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
These may not be good lynches or shots but until action is taken it is nearly impossible to learn anything about this type of person. I have come to learn that people are content to play the game in their own way. Take the master of Oats, for example. Now, if you are dissatisfied with the way that I am playing the game, you are welcome to instigate proceedings against me if you feel that is the best course of action. I would posit that there are many worse offenders of the specific transgression by which you appear to be bothered. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
Hapahauli, if you do not know the answer to my question regarding this Sylencia, perhaps someone else does. In the meantime, I will be moving on as time is quickly winding down and there is much action yet to be taken ex noctis. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 03:18 Hapahauli wrote: Hmmm. I need to think about Shaio a bit more. His last scum-game isn't as passive as I had remembered it. Will any future case you may be devising be solely based on this last scum-game and comparing it to this one? I certainly would not mind discussing with you if you felt there was something within this game you felt might direct us to him being mafioso. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
early game I am not too active usually, just how it is. Day 1s always are a bit tedious to get the ball roling. did try to do it with prodding vayne. Here he makes it seem as though his legitimate case on this VayneAuthority was nothing more than a way to get first-day discussion started. I am not sure why he would feel the need to downplay his earlier contribution unless he was for some reason worried that his assault of a pre-claimed cop would get him into trouble. Of course I also realize that he may be simply referring to his case as something that created discussion rather than an attempt to create discussion by making a case. Either way it struck me as being odd. The rest of his filter appears full of genuine attempts to divine alignment from other players while being overall unconcerned with the views of others regarding himself, a decidedly town-aligned trait. I agree that ShiaoPi should not be a concern based on his activity within this game, unless you have something to add from past games, Hapahauli? As for scum-reads, there is one I am currently working on besides this Sylencia; I will expand upon it soon. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 02:33 Stutters695 wrote: As always my weekends suck ass sorry. I'll be back in full force tonight. I am well aware that the human population of this website who play mafia games hail from different locations around the planet, but is Monday part of the weekend in any specific country? I believe this Stutters said he was busy 'catching up,' but posted nothing of any use and it appeasr to be well past the weekend. How long must we tolerate activity such as this from various players? I have notice that this Axlegreaser appears to play this game much like I do. Is he another DWN in disguise I wonder? He asks many questions of people and is content to speculate on behavioural analysis as well as the general ideas and heuristics behind the game of mafia, yet offers very little in reads himself. I believe his last scum read offered was ShiaoPi though I cannot honestly be sure. As of right now I have no idea who he believes to be mafia. I do enjoy conversing with him as mentioned earlier so I would be pleased if he were to engage me. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
I am not altogether concerned about having my functions ended by being shot by mafia, though I would prefer if this Hapahauli decides to shoot me with his temporary firearm that he at least inform me ahead of time so that I may post before I cease function and assist the town in their future tasks as much as possible. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
I would rather be able to fully engage the thread at the time of my posting and I am not certain of my ability to be able to do that presently. If you so desire I will post my read before the deadline is upon us; until then you must either make your decision, wait, or discuss that which has already been brought up. As a human being you have the choice and free will to do any of those things. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 05:13 Hapahauli wrote: Because there is literally no objective purpose to you with-holding your read. Who cares if you can't "fully engage the thread at the time of posting"... that should not be a factor. Post your reads, let us discuss them, and then you can "engage" later. The point I am trying to make is that I will not be around to discuss them in full as I would like to, and consider the subject of my read and what information I will be trying to express to the thread, I certainly would like to be. Considering the subject of my read and what I believe I have learned about him in this game thus far, I do not believe his reaction will be...favorable, and the last thing I want is a disruption of thread direction to a degree where it becomes unproductive for the town. On June 12 2013 05:13 Hapahauli wrote: Or if you want motivation, consider this my intent to shoot you unless you post your reads right now. From what I believe I have learned about you, you are certainly a far better player than to actually destroy me; this is what people refer to as a 'bluff.' While under general circumstances I have no problem 'calling' said bluff, the benefits to the town in me posting likely outweigh any perceived personal benefits I would have by waiting to post something complete. The 'too long; did not read' version of my post, as it were: I believe the man with Blazing hands to be scum. He is far too content to take on those who are unlikely to be able to accuse him in return. The displays of his ego given so far would seemingly belie that the mayoral campaign should have been perfect for him yet he is quick to back down. His reasoning is the same 'survival instinct' that this VayneAuthority seems to give yet different. I believe that Blazinghand is in actuality worried here about a power grab being seen as a scum trait, much as I was worried about you in the early game. His relentless attack of the master of Oats seems to ebb and flow with the tide of the thread; that is, he only attempts to waste the town's time by attacking him and causing chaos (as he knows the Oats will react) when it is convenient for scum. Any time a clear mislynch target is not in the crosshairs of the town, jampidampi as example, he is content with thread direction; the exception to this being his quick flip in opinion as jampidampi returned to the thread. He has had zero useful contribution to the thread beyond what I have outlined above. If he has other suspects in this game I am not sure as to whom they might be. On this he promised more activity tomorrow, however. I would like to make it known that initially I thought he might be a member of the town until he continued to post and I realized how his perception of himself (or at the very least, the mask he wears so that people perceive as an egotistical being) affects his play. I am not providing specific proof and quotes here as you wished for a version that I would be able to provide currently. It is my sincere hope that it benefits the town. Make of it what you will. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
Some things to note: I am unconvinced in this Blazinghand's act while seemingly at death's door. I feel I am able to read this Hapahauli quite well at this point in the game, and to shoot someone without any warning whatsoever is not a very mayorly thing to do. The false shot was extremely obvious to me, though admittedly an interesting gambit. However, if the false shot was obvious to me, could it not also have been obvious to a player such as this Blazinghand who could then act in the most town-aligned way possible before his death? He has nothing to lose at this point even if the shot were real because were he actually shot and his aligned were revealed to be red, the players in this game would be likely to ignore his final posts as they could be likened to poisoned wine in two goblets. He still gives no reasoning for his reads even when asked yet people conveniently ignore this. Blazinghand is content to have me destroyed, of course, but an interesting fact to point out is this Blazinghand's mention that he would rather have me hang from a tree than simply be shot with a bullet, thus wasting one of any town's strongest tools, and an entire day on the wrong target. Yes, the mayor bullet is a strong tool as well, and any member of the mafia would enjoying obtaining it, though perhaps the mafia are content to have it wasted here instead? I am unsure. I am disappointed in general with this Hapahauli for his reasoning to shoot me. He states that I have drawn no conclusions and not contributed yet I have repeatedly given him examples of my contributions and attempting to divine alignments which seemingly go ignored, as few people comment on them. yet I have pointed out this Blazinghand as scum. I have seen no concrete evidence from anyone in this game thus far as to why I should be destroyed, yet everyone is content to do so. This is disconcerting and I get the feeling (what feeling I am capable of, anyway) that scum may very well be in control of this game despite this Hapahauli being our town-aligned mayor. There are approximately 70 minutes until I will cease to function if this Hapahauli shoots me at 10 minutes before the deadline. I will be present until that time, thus if there is anything in specific you would like from me before that time, please do not hesitate to ask. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
With this attitude I believe that our town is in a great deal of trouble. I wish you all the best of luck and perhaps we will meet again in another time and place. + Show Spoiler + If someone is to absorb my powers after I'm destroyed, just know they are very easy to use. You can make objects fall up instead of down. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 10:03 Hapahauli wrote: Nah. Really just don't have the info I'd like. Treat tomorrow like a double lynch is better. Well I must admit I either cannot read you as well as I thought I once could, or I convinced you. I am honestly not sure which of those two it is. You say you do not have the information you want; I am aware revealing said lack of information would be counter-productive, but if you are indeed assassinated like so many good leaders tend to be, we may left in the dark on a useful heuristic. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 09:34 Stutters695 wrote: Also I see hapa plans on shooting GM, I haven't really filtered his shit yet but Hapas reasoning makes sense and I'd be way more comfortable with that than GK. This concerns me greatly. What reasoning do you speak of Stutters? This Hapahauli's reasoning was minimal at best and falsified at worst. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 10:17 Blazinghand wrote: GM is wrong but yeah stutters it would be nice to hear specifically what you thought was good/bad Why? You have not offered any reasoning to many of your statements all game. Why am I wrong? | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 10:25 Blazinghand wrote: hapahauli's reasoning was fine. I agree with it (or at least the part where you're asking weird questions of me and making a show of participating without hunting scum). The issue is that you can't just say "GM shoudl be shot huehuehue hapa is right" and not explain what you agree/disagree with. Your point that stutter's post is bad/unhelpful/scummy is correct. Your idea that you shouldn't be shot tonight is not. also the idea that i haven't offered _any_ reason to _many_ of my statements _all_ game is interesting. It's like you want to say I never offer reasoning but you know that's literally false so you try to make some kind of half-assed point. get your shit together GM Let me rephrase it then. You fail to offer sufficient reasoning to a great deal of strong stances that you take until badgered endlessly. I believe you promised reasoning as to why I should be shot or at the very least you told this Hapahauli that you'd be looking into my filter. Lack of a better shot is not a reason to shoot me, and once again, I have shown how Hapahauli's reasoning as to why I appear scummy is false. If you do not like the questions I was asking you in order to divine your alignment, then, I believe the colloquial phrase is: "tough shit?" It certainly made it easier for me to determine how it is you play and how your perceived view of yourself influences your playstyle. There is yet to be postulated one concrete objective reason as to why I am scummy. By anyone. Saying that I have not contributed is purely subjective as I believe I have and again, I have shown as such in previous posts. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 10:36 Stutters695 wrote: This post in particular. I still haven't gotten to check out his posting but this is big to me since I won't have time before the flip. He demonstrates a real reason for wanting to vig tonight and is aware of the difference between a coinflip vig and a useful one. This is not a reason for you. It is Hapahauli's reasoning which, once again, I have proven false. I wonder I have obtained a glitch somewhere in my system as I find myself repeating my own words fairly often. Simple because this Hapahauli believes my scumhunting to be insufficient does not make it so; the lack of caught mafia is on the collective head of the entire town. As such I will share the blame but not shoulder it. As for not drawing conclusions, not only are there other players in this game who have played similarly to me in that respect (has this Axlegreaser drawn any conclusions? Have you, Stutters?), but not a few hours before this very post, I concluded Blazinghand to be mafia. Hapahauli, since you currently lead this town, I believe it may be your responsibility to show them in what way your reasoning is in fact, correct regarding myself? | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 10:47 Blazinghand wrote: wow i actually personally dislike GM now I believe the earlier colloquial phrase I used applies here as well. | ||
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On June 12 2013 10:52 Hapahauli wrote: Anyone down for a 420 YOLO #SWAG shot on Stutters? Considering by 'anyone' you'd be referring to the three or so people present and as such would not have the consent of all of the town, I'd advise against it. At the same time I did elect you to represent us, and if you feel that is the best course of action, you may take it as it was given to you by right. Were I in your position I would not shoot. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
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Well played. VayneAuthority, if you were being forced to shoot one person right now, who would it be? I am also interested in the results of your check and whether or not you were roleblocked. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
##Vote: Blazinghand I truly am not looking forward to this day as it means my responsibility will be to somehow lead the town to your lynch while you are attempting to spread your chaos and destroy any attempt at rational conversation much like your incessant targeting of the Oats Master. | ||
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On June 12 2013 11:14 VayneAuthority wrote: what the fuck is this post LOL so much wrong my brain exploded Elucidate, if you will. As well, if you could respond to my query I would appreciate it. VayneAuthority, if you were being forced to shoot one person right now, who would it be? | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 11:21 Blazinghand wrote: zzzz stop being bad. god do i have to be the voice of reason also double shoot GM for being WoS You're still just mad I beat you as scum too whether or not you want to admit it  | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
Aaaaaanyway, Vayne wanna answer my question? Huh? Do ya? | ||
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On June 12 2013 11:24 VayneAuthority wrote: btw if BH needlessly tries to start an argument again ill probably shoot him due to his spammy/useless playstyle as scum. He keeps trying to drive away reason in favor of bitchfights Dude. <3 | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
Of course I can use it to some degree, and hell it might even be beneficial to deal with BH but I promised myself I wouldn't as I need to improve my reads in general. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
For now I am content knowing that BH is scum and as the day progresses he will make it more and more obvious. Hopefully I will do a better job convincing people of it than I did in Carnival Cruise. Stutters and Sylencia I'd REALLY like to hear more from you in general. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 11:59 VayneAuthority wrote: If you take me for being upset you don't understand me, I am laughing most of the time I am playing mafia. Also I was lying, I wasn't roleblocked. I have a guilty on Stutters. What do you make of that BH? For srs? None of this fake bullshit. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
Give BH a time limit to prove himself towny. I hear he's good at that. If he fails, we shoot him and lynch Stutters. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
Smurfing really IS hard though BH, RIP Wade Fell. | ||
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On June 12 2013 12:11 VayneAuthority wrote: Im unlynchable, time for you to actually start reading the thread. I was hoping my fake report might call you to action. IM NEVER BELIEVING ANYONE EVER But seriously Stutters, got a real reason as to why I'm scum? | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote: lol stutters. Whos scum? And why are you surviving the shot? HAHA I didn't even think of that. Good lord Stutters you are visibly shaken, huh? | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 12:30 VayneAuthority wrote: yea he didn't really pass my reaction test that well which is a shame. Oh well, back to the drawing board. Wish hapa used the shot because I don't have a guaranteed town to pass it down to so I pretty much have to use it in compliance with my wincon. Lamee to drop the entire game on me but guess ill do my best Yeah I dunno I think Stutters is a pretty good shot if you're going to use it today TBH. No sense hurrying it along but it probably means something if Hapa was ready to do it himself. I want to see what Shiao has to say about the scumread on him because I've got a couple things to say about it myself. Stutters what happened to your scumread on me? | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 13:39 Blazinghand wrote: yeah i don't like shiao either, stutters. not at all. No chance you'd tell us why, huh? Didn't think so. Keep up the solid town play, sir. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
I'm done in here for tonight. Maybe certain people will improve their play tomorrow. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
Clearly if it walks like a scum, talks like a scum, and multiple people suspect him like a scum.... BH is still just creating shit about him and Oats. All he does is counter-accuse people who 'dare' accuse him of being scum because he knows he can get away with it. He's provided no evidence as to why he thinks I'm scum. STILL. I have no idea why people are still hesitating on this. Meta-analysis would be SO GOOD here but I promised myself I wouldn't. Someone else could take a crack at it though if they wanted. It's pretty obvious. BH you must be absolutely furious that I'm going to get you lynched today, but 'jubs gonna jub,' amirite? Now I'm supposed to respond to Axle 'cause he's been asking me for a while so let me get to that, and then I'm around for discussion and such. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 12 2013 14:19 AxleGreaser wrote: Grav man, a number of pages back I posted this to you (before you WoS'd hi) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18868046 Even though your posting style has now changed considerably. I am still interested in understanding what the purpose of the questions in that post was. There were rather lot of questions in the post. I am having difficulty deciding which mindset would want to post those and why. I am aware as you already said here why you say you asked them: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18860286 One thing I cant marry with your statement of why that is that you did not follow those up? Since you posted that, you have again pursued BH, but without answers to the earlier questions. Why if they were GM/WoS: "In what way do you find my questions irrelevant? I am confused." didnt you seek answers. I can see one problem there were so many question in the post i doubt anyone would answer them all. So why ask them? Those questions were asked because I know how BH's ingame ego works and I was trying to find a way to show it to the thread, as can be seen in my written case against him. BH does not back down when dealing with anyone he feels is less skilled than him as can be seen by his constant tunneling of both me and Oats this game, and the way he talks to VA early. He is completely different when talking with Hapa and I wanted to make this evident; it is not a particularly towny way to play---completely deriding everyone's activity and efforts aside from one person. And what do you know, now that said person is dead there is absolutely no one to 'reign him in,' so he can act all troll-BH as he pleases, shit up the thread, offer no explanations for his reads and no one is around to scold him for it or make him stop that he will respond to. I asked those questions earlier as a way for me to logically come to this point while still in the GM persona without using meta to prove it. Difficult, time consuming, and artificially restraining myself I know, but it is how I resolved to play this specific game. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 01:59 Blazinghand wrote: people keep on saying this like there's some meta case to be written but there really isn't. I'll show you in the postgame, k bb? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
I'm reluctant to agree but there is one thing in there that does bother me, and it's the lack of explanation for what exactly you were trying to get out of Stutters. Care to explain so we can get the focus back where it needs to be? What exactly is going to take for me to get people to vote BH with me? And don't say a meta case because there is enough in this game to show he is scum, people are just wilfully ignoring me, JUST for a change. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Why are you so angry Vayne. You claimed cause you caused everyone to think you were scum. Thats the only reason. If you keep blaming shit town, you will never get any better. This. Oats y u no vote BH? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 02:32 VayneAuthority wrote: who's angry? You guys are bad and I pointed it out. Dont be mad nerd. Not my fault some one makes a shitty case and the lurkers gobble it up. I will never take responsibility for this fail town. Good mayor right here. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 02:34 VayneAuthority wrote: yea that's why im in my office right now eating and laughing at how retarded you all are. hu3hu3hu3. O Mayor, who are we lynching today? I really wish Hapa were alive now that I'm not smurfing anymore. This is so frustrating. Kudos to anyone who knows how to herd a town. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 02:37 Blazinghand wrote: You know what, I actually don't buy VA's cop claim any more. Maybe the real cop hasn't counterclaimed for whatever reason or maybe we don't have a cop. Everything about VA's play stinks. This is so ridiculous and you KNOW it. Do you honestly think VA has the balls to claim cop as scum in the middle of D1 in a setup like this? You yourself called him bad towny for this. Your play is just so abysmally bad. This is all I will say regarding meta and you. Everyone look at how BH played in Les Mafia. He only started to play the game for real when there was a real threat of him being lynched BECAUSE HE HATES BEING LYNCHED. He realizes he is in no danger right now because he thinks I can't get him lynched alone, therefore he plays like shit. There is no way around this: if you think BH is town and you want BH to play the game, vote him and make him DIE. See how he reacts. If you think he is scum, vote for him and make him DIE. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
Yup. If it's the only way to make you play properly I'll do it. It's very easy to switch later on in the day without a tunnely DP third party to push it along. I'm pretty confident you won't do what you did in Les Mafia though, you know why? Because you're scum. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 02:46 Oatsmaster wrote: if bh gets lynched. #worsttown2013 Worse than the Les Mafia town for the same thing? If he's town and performs adequately I promise I will unvote him. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
DP wasn't the only one to vote BH in Les, was he? Note BH already refusing. This feels EXACTLY like Carnival Cruise. Oats you were there. Remember how BH and I fought? Explain to me how this is different. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 02:51 Blazinghand wrote: I'll take what i can get :3 seriously though if you guys decide to push a policy lynch me because you don't like my style (or in this case, pretend to don't like my style) then that does nothing to help town Haha you still don't get it, doyou. It has nothing to do with your style or policy. You're doing nothing. You're scum. That's why you're getting lynched. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont actually remember. Refresh my memory please. No. I've already relied on meta too much; it is not how I wanted to play this game. You can have a look yourself if you actually think BH might be scum; if he's already convinced you then don't bother. Your call. I think at this point I'd honestly be content to be shot by VA if people are unclear about me by the end of the day, if it means that you guys will believe what I have said and lynch BH. Going to go have some lunch. I'll be around later. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 02:52 Blazinghand wrote: oh what's this, a meta case with no comparison to a town game, quotes, or links, despite my super well documented play history? kk Final thing I will say before I go. He is relying on the fact now that I have actively stated I will not dive through meta to form a case. I have seen town BH bring up his OWN examples of meta to prove other people wrong in cases like this. He would rather use his own self-confidence and bluffing tactics to get himself through this than very simply prove me wrong, were it possible to do so. He has no desire to display any useful information for the town to read. Burn him with cleansing fire. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 02:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Um what, I wanna know your view because it affects my read on you. Also martyring not cool yo. If people are going to lynch me anyway then I'd rather be shot so you can instead lynch BH. If people are absolutely confused as to why I am pushing BH and still have any lingering doubt that I am not town because of my earlier smurfing. Call it a last resort, but until then BH is the wagon of justice. Hop aboard. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 02:57 Blazinghand wrote: the point isn't that oats thinks you're lying (though perhaps he does), but rather, even if your ideas are genuine that doesn't mean you're RIGHT. there's no meta case to make against me. you can't just say the word "meta" and have that be a case. As a guy who writes a lot of meta cases, let me tell you: it's hard work. it requires effort to show what a player's meta is like both as scum and as town and compare that to the current game. you have not done this. If you're wondering why the only player you've "convinced" is VA it's because you haven't put in the work to actually convince anyone. And honestly, if you are in fact town I'd like it if you DID check out my meta. You'd realize I'm town this game and stop pushing me. I have put in the work. People are ignoring it. I believe the man with Blazing hands to be scum. He is far too content to take on those who are unlikely to be able to accuse him in return. The displays of his ego given so far would seemingly belie that the mayoral campaign should have been perfect for him yet he is quick to back down. His reasoning is the same 'survival instinct' that this VayneAuthority seems to give yet different. I believe that Blazinghand is in actuality worried here about a power grab being seen as a scum trait, much as I was worried about you in the early game. His relentless attack of the master of Oats seems to ebb and flow with the tide of the thread; that is, he only attempts to waste the town's time by attacking him and causing chaos (as he knows the Oats will react) when it is convenient for scum. Any time a clear mislynch target is not in the crosshairs of the town, jampidampi as example, he is content with thread direction; the exception to this being his quick flip in opinion as jampidampi returned to the thread. He has had zero useful contribution to the thread beyond what I have outlined above. If he has other suspects in this game I am not sure as to whom they might be. On this he promised more activity tomorrow, however. I would like to make it known that initially I thought he might be a member of the town until he continued to post and I realized how his perception of himself (or at the very least, the mask he wears so that people perceive as an egotistical being) affects his play. Some things to note: I am unconvinced in this Blazinghand's act while seemingly at death's door. I feel I am able to read this Hapahauli quite well at this point in the game, and to shoot someone without any warning whatsoever is not a very mayorly thing to do. The false shot was extremely obvious to me, though admittedly an interesting gambit. However, if the false shot was obvious to me, could it not also have been obvious to a player such as this Blazinghand who could then act in the most town-aligned way possible before his death? He has nothing to lose at this point even if the shot were real because were he actually shot and his aligned were revealed to be red, the players in this game would be likely to ignore his final posts as they could be likened to poisoned wine in two goblets. He still gives no reasoning for his reads even when asked yet people conveniently ignore this. Blazinghand is content to have me destroyed, of course, but an interesting fact to point out is this Blazinghand's mention that he would rather have me hang from a tree than simply be shot with a bullet, thus wasting one of any town's strongest tools, and an entire day on the wrong target. Yes, the mayor bullet is a strong tool as well, and any member of the mafia would enjoying obtaining it, though perhaps the mafia are content to have it wasted here instead? I am unsure. On June 12 2013 10:39 GravityMan wrote: Let me rephrase it then. You fail to offer sufficient reasoning to a great deal of strong stances that you take until badgered endlessly. I believe you promised reasoning as to why I should be shot or at the very least you told this Hapahauli that you'd be looking into my filter. Lack of a better shot is not a reason to shoot me, and once again, I have shown how Hapahauli's reasoning as to why I appear scummy is false. If you do not like the questions I was asking you in order to divine your alignment, then, I believe the colloquial phrase is: "tough shit?" It certainly made it easier for me to determine how it is you play and how your perceived view of yourself influences your playstyle. There is yet to be postulated one concrete objective reason as to why I am scummy. By anyone. Saying that I have not contributed is purely subjective as I believe I have and again, I have shown as such in previous posts. Sorry for the spam Corazon. Guess our dreams technically came true, btw, amirite? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 07:06 AxleGreaser wrote: I have seen BH play before as have many people. Now that you have said this I have more problems. GM:WoS: I asked those questions earlier as a way for me to logically come to this point while still in the GM persona without using meta to prove it. What do you mean by come logically to the point. Were you asking questions to get answers to them, or was the purpose of the post to ask questions, while actually logically coming to a point. Your post concludes "What I am truly unsure about is the degree to which you actually care about your ego. I would think you're more likely to discard this ego as a scum player in favor of lying, but I cannot, of course, be sure." Which looks pretty much like coming to the point of saying something. So was the point of the post the questions or the conclusion it appears to reach and state. if the point of it was the questions, and the thread needed those answers "trying to find a way to show it to the thread," then why didnt you need to get them answered at some time? To be completely honest, I'm not sure what you're asking me. Can you try and rephrase it? | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 07:20 AxleGreaser wrote: Aure thing that post see above. it had lots of things with ? at the end in it they are questions. Was the point of the post to ask those questions and get answers. ("show it to the thread," via answers to questions) Was the point of the post to make statement. ("show it to the thread," via statement by you) or something else. If it was questions why when you didnt you get answers didnt you ask again? and just drop it. No need to be snide. There was no grand plan behind it, I suppose you could call it a combination of both. I wasn't exactly sure how BH would answer the questions if at all so it was more that I was trying to lead him in a direction where I could show the thread exactly how he is prone to act in certain situations. Why didn't I ask again? I don't know. I think I gave up the train of thought at the time. Trying to get BH to do anything is like pulling teeth anyway. Vayne it was a joke between me and Corazon. It's not related to the game really. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
We haven't had very many reads from you this game at all, just analysis and questions. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 08:00 VayneAuthority wrote: your dodging of it for so long doesn't really make me feel better about it. What, my dodging of the answering your question? I didn't dodge I forgot you asked. You want to hear it exactly? I didn't want to go into detail because it's not really related to the game at all and may cause discussion outside of what we need to be talking about (ie give more useless thread-shitting-up fodder to BH). Do you still want to hear it? | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 08:02 AxleGreaser wrote: Snide = Sorry. Ok. it will take a little bit for me to get the stuff. but without links to where or what. So that post gets the thread to see Bh has ego etc. (he said to me back then he is talented guy...) How does that interact with him beign scummy or town. Walk me through how me knowing that lets me evaluate BH(with ego) and see that he got a scum Pm and not BH(with ego) got a town PM. Specifically, the section where he backs down from Hapa yet is belligerent towards Oats got me thinking about how in general he interacts with people. I believe I spoke about it last night---as scum he tends not to give people he thinks are beneath him the time of day. He does this as town as well, but when he's serious about hunting scum he will eventually interact with everyone in the thread in some form of a positive way. Essentially I was trying to display this without the ability to dive into BH's meta and prove this---again, Les Mafia is a good example--- and show that he can't act that way towards Hapa as Hapa is a very skilled town player and will not put up with his bullshit, yet will shit up the thread towards anyone else he can when he can get away with it. Without even using meta I can tell you that the way BH has been acting in this way towards people is not town-aligned in the slightest; the meta only makes it stronger when you can see that's how he acts in various games. I admit it's not exactly the clearest line of thought but I know it's true, I've played with BH a ton recently and feel that I've learned to read him well (despite me lying about it as GM). It doesn't mean much but I've said it before, if I was town in Les there is no way I would have voted to lynch him when he acted the way he did at the end of the game. He has not acted even a fraction as towny this game as he did in that one. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
Fine but only because you're already voting BH. And if he comes back and goes on an ego trip because of it I'm going to be pissed. Corazon PMed me randomly and said he had a dream that BH figured out that I was GM in the first few days of the game. I said I doubt anyone is going to figure me out (and no one would have, had I not fucked up). Then a couple days ago I had a dream that BH figured me out (fucking weird). And then I fucked up and he found out. Hence 'our dreams came true.' | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 08:13 AxleGreaser wrote: Ok. I will need to reread your filter in context with that in mind. it was not one of the possible intentions that originally sprang to my mind. Axle can you answer my question? You've been doing too much analysis and questioning and not offering enough in terms of reads and stances taken. Who is scum and why? | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 08:13 VayneAuthority wrote: Alright I guess thats believable enough. If you fed me some bullshit I was going to shoot you on the spot, seemed like you were referencing something from a scum QT or something lol seriously? Why would I reference a scum QT to the fucking host in a game? Like...it couldn't even be called a slip or anything...it was me blatantly talking to Corazon. Come on, VA. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 08:23 AxleGreaser wrote: There is the obvious list, of people who have not contributed much. There is the obvious list of turning Hapas list upside down and saying that. One thing i dont want to do is get all in a low post count townies face, and shut them down. So I wont be doing that. The least clear intention I have is you. I see what "looks" like a tendency to Lynch BH for being BH. I see posts that could well inflame him and make his ego come to the fore as town or scum. This could have been their intention, or not. Obvious lists? Do you trust those lists entirely? Why can't you just come out and call me scum? Am I the only scum in this game? Come on Axle. Something concrete please. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 08:18 VayneAuthority wrote: wat? Prome talked to us all the time in Les Mis. Trying to make it seem like something stupid isn't helping you. It could have easily been a slip up. Isn't 'helping' me? Who else thought this was suspicious? I wasn't worried, but you trying to make it sound like it's something I should be worried about is kinda stupid. Anyway, enough of this. VA who else is scum? Last I figured Sylencia/Stutters or both but it's been a while since I looked. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 08:39 VayneAuthority wrote: I've called pretty much everyone scum at one point this game, I don't have any good reads. Either they are lurking or we are just spamming, not much to go off of. Obvious night kill, unsuspicious day kill. There's nowhere to go from here really. Stutters' aggressiveness in this thread is disconcerting I suppose, I don't even know who sylencia is he posts so little. Oh yeah since I'm not a smurf anymore I can mention: Apparently Sylencia really IS lynchbait as he says, which is what makes me wary of him as a scumread. Again all of this relies on meta but I just know he's telling the the truth about this. Doesn't preclude him from being scum, and he does tend to lurk quite a bit as either alignment.. When I get the chance in a few hours I'm gonna dive into Syl/Stutters. I remember thinking Stutters has a good chance of flipping red. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 08:42 AxleGreaser wrote: No I don't trust those list entirely, which is why early on D1 I asked hapa about him giving out so many town reads and saying EZ. Hapa is town, he flipped town, but i still don't trust his list as he can be wrong. The language used was euphamism to do as stated and avoid getting in low post counters face. Grav man: Why can't you just come out and call me scum? I can. Thats the easy bit, trying to be right is harder. This time i dont understand you: "Come on Axle. Something concrete please." do you want more concrete reasoning and analysis for why i think your scum GM: "We haven't had very many reads from you this game at all, just analysis and questions." or do you want me to overexaggerate the degree of certainty that i have that your motivations in posting inflammatory things was so that BHs ego would get him to piss off enough people that you could mislynch him? The problem is there are towny reasons to push people as well. I need to work out if what you did was for those reasons. For the record, I wasn't trying to be inflammatory necessarily with those questions, I was trying just to see what I could get BH to say and talk about regarding that topic. You say that I'm trying to get BH mislynched though, what makes you sure he's town? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
Axle, I answered you here. On June 13 2013 08:10 GravityMan wrote: Specifically, the section where he backs down from Hapa yet is belligerent towards Oats got me thinking about how in general he interacts with people. I believe I spoke about it last night---as scum he tends not to give people he thinks are beneath him the time of day. He does this as town as well, but when he's serious about hunting scum he will eventually interact with everyone in the thread in some form of a positive way. Essentially I was trying to display this without the ability to dive into BH's meta and prove this---again, Les Mafia is a good example--- and show that he can't act that way towards Hapa as Hapa is a very skilled town player and will not put up with his bullshit, yet will shit up the thread towards anyone else he can when he can get away with it. Without even using meta I can tell you that the way BH has been acting in this way towards people is not town-aligned in the slightest; the meta only makes it stronger when you can see that's how he acts in various games. I admit it's not exactly the clearest line of thought but I know it's true, I've played with BH a ton recently and feel that I've learned to read him well (despite me lying about it as GM). It doesn't mean much but I've said it before, if I was town in Les there is no way I would have voted to lynch him when he acted the way he did at the end of the game. He has not acted even a fraction as towny this game as he did in that one. In fact, I have been nothing but forthcoming considering everything asked of me all game. Has BH been as considerate? I REALLY don't understand what is so hard for all of you to see here. Oh and Axle, by definiton, you saying 'mislynched' means you think BH is town. I want to know why you think he is town. It has nothing to do with what you want from me. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 09:45 AxleGreaser wrote: I think I prefer to do what you wanted me to do a little while ago. I'm fine with either for now, but I will not be letting this go. I have seen nothing remotely towny about BH's play right now and that fact that you see as such or are making a preflip association based on the fact that you think I'm scum is not good. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 10:23 AxleGreaser wrote: My views are not preflip association based. They are also not 100%, but I would need to either see more or understand the cases against him better before i'd lynch today. yeah he went all "dinner" "dinner" and hapa fake shot him... and he and oats are being he and oats. What I dont yet see is the scum agenda and intention. Why does he need some grand agenda? His 'agenda' is he has done dick all the entire game. This assists scum because it doesn't help the town find the scum. He has done his 'BH and Oats' thing to shit up the thread because his 'intention' is to shit up the thread and waste town's time. Pretty simple in my opinion. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
What people need to keep in mind, is to look at what he does when he comes back and how he does it. Is he actively assisting the town or not? I will do my best to keep an open mind myself. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 02:37 Blazinghand wrote: yeah actually let's get rid of this guy. He might be the mayor and maybe he claimed cop but he's scum imo ##vote VA Can you explain the town motivation for this? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
People suspecting Vayne for fakeclaiming reminds me of when people suspected me of fakeclaiming in The Game because I claimed rolecop and then was subsequently RBed every night thereafter. Want to know who set up that line of suspicion? Geript. BH, you don't want to be Geript, do you? But seriously, think of it in terms of what is more likely. Is scum more likely to take a needless gamble and fakeclaim cop and the lie about getting RBed all game so they don't have to do anything else, when there could be a counterclaim and they get fucked? Or is it more likely that Vayne is simply town and claimed when it wasn't quite necessary? | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 11:43 Stutters695 wrote: I don't think we should kill Vayne but to say he's definitely town for any reason outside of the claim is wrong. I agree. BH doesn't. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 12:09 Oatsmaster wrote: lynch him Now. Now. GK, by any measurable standard. You are lurking. You have 1 page of filter and its been a day and a half or more since you replaced in. You arent really pushing anything. You just post stuff and never prod or whatever. Like this post. There is no followup. You are sitting in the background and not doing ANYTHING to get your read lynched/vigged. its scum. KILL HIm. By these standards you should be lynching BH. True he's not lurking but the rest applies. Has BH pushed Vayne? Hell at least GK is offering reasons for his scumread. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 12:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Why. Why is he town? How is he helping us win this game? Quoted for filter. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
How is it I think he's town? Because I said I think there's a chance he may come back and do something now that he realizes he'll get lynched? Depends on what that something is. I most certainly do NOT believe he is town, but I believe even if he was, this is the only way in hell we get him to do anything. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote: dont lie to yourself. It only makes things worse. so lynch GK GM? You know very well that is not happening. Especially now that he's started playing the game. Which...ONCE AGAIN, is more than I can say for BH. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 20:57 Sylencia wrote: The fact I can actually rely on something which I believed to have been true from the night before shows the actual lack of contribution that you had brought to the table to this point. If I say you're scummy during N1, and you do nothing to change that view in D2, you're saying it's scum oriented for me to say I still think you're scum? Also yes, turns out I ended up thinking you did an analysis on GK which is yourself (it made perfect sense at the time somehow -_-). In any case: - Axle: How has this guy been able to fly under the radar this entire game? As far as I've read there's been very little suspicious cast on him, he's been questioned about his reads in which he's tip toed around the problem: It alludes to him suspecting GM (pretty much confirmed to be saying he suspects GM next post), but he doesn't push it at all. He said he doesn't want to shut a lurker down, but GM is far from a lurker, so why wouldn't he push a case there? If there's someone in this game who is a prime example of being neutral on pretty much everything, it's Axle. BH has been doing a lot of talking without a lot of pushing, but I'm pretty sure that Axle is a better option over BH. After a slow first half of Day 1, I think if BH was scum he'd easily adapt into a less active role in the game. He brings up points I don't think anyone else would be doing otherwise (possible VA fakeclaim etc.) and just by doing that I feel it's enough to justify keeping him around for longer. Without BH this town will be a dead town, with little to no deviation in thoughts. GK I'm still willing to put my vote on him, idk how slow a start can be, but even his vote on BH didn't have any substance to it. This is terrible honestly. Axle seems like the towniest town that ever towned, and this case misrepresents him entirely. I'm not sure why people are letting this go. He votes him based on the fact that Axle has been flying under the radar, and that he supposedly calls me a lurker? (hint: he's not referring to me) That's his entire reasoning. The whole thing in that one post. Why is Sylencia getting away with that exactly? I mean I'm not a fan of Axle right now because he's tunneled me for about half the game but at least he's doing it in a reasonable way' I don't see scum pushing a read like he has with the analysis that he's done, and I've played with scum Axle before. Now I have to get to Axle's case on me....sigh. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 13 2013 22:18 AxleGreaser wrote: @everyone Time is passing. We need to have some wagons of Justice. Here is mine ##Vote GravityMan toLynch The case is not that hard but there are potentially lots of details. The case on blazing hand is wrong and weak, and making a bad case is not scum indicative. What is scum indicative is trying, to manufacture one, by provoking the responses that you need in advance of having the read. GM has been trying to provoke BH for rather a long time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859699 read this post and decide if you think that was provocative. GM describes the purpose of that as http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18875432 "For the record, I wasn't trying to be inflammatory necessarily with those questions, I was trying just to see what I could get BH to say and talk about regarding that topic." Go read the above post, he wanted him to answer that why? Was it inflammatory. if there were no examples of what he wanted to talk about why the asking? WHy was he trying to lead him places? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18875124 "There was no grand plan behind it, I suppose you could call it a combination of both. I wasn't exactly sure how BH would answer the questions if at all so it was more that I was trying to lead him in a direction where I could show the thread exactly how he is prone to act in certain situations." prone means they have not happened yet. if they had happened you could just point to those, no need to show the thread what BH is prone to if he has not done it? Why was he trying to lead him places? before the case existed. Bh has in fact for Bh been very restrained. BH was even called out by hapa for being less strident than normal D1 + Show Spoiler [some more of the details] + As it is spread out in the thread because it took me a while to get the answers. I asked some questions here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18868046 I didnt put an @Gravman in so perhaps he didnt notice it was meant for him. He didnt answer. I then posted this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18869999 and this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18870001 Finally this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18872888 Axle, my problem here is you are also misrepresenting everything I do. The reason I was trying to 'lead' BH to talk about what I wanted him to is the artificial restraints I put on myself. Without the ability to talk about his meta I was forced to get him to talk about how he might act in certain situations so I could then bring it up as an example. I already had in my mind the idea that he was scum here but I wanted to try and flesh out more evidence. Yes it's 'leading the witness,' but it's for a good cause: getting my scumread lynched. You can call that a scum agenda if you want, but it's not. On June 13 2013 23:03 AxleGreaser wrote: This post is also interesting That makes sense if you have just been discussing it in the scum QT. and now you are suppsoed to respond to Axle seeing as he just wont let the question go.... <<< wine that is easy to drink I have tried to find how a towny might have been thinking that would then have them write that. <<< wine that is too hard to drink As far as not responding to you immediately, I don't really see how that's scum indicative either. This is confiramtion bias and you are simply believing what fits your read of me. I simply said it because it was the truth, and upon looking back through the thread I realized I missed some queries you had of me. Nothing more. Vote me if you must Axle, but I would recommend you at least look into who else in this game is scum for once, because if I eventually flip town you are going to be completely lost, especially if you think BH is town. | ||
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On June 14 2013 00:48 Sylencia wrote: I completely understand he wasn't referring to you. I explained that because the lurker statement was irrelevant to you, why would he have to hold back on unleashing any sort of case on you? You don't feel like he was holding back at all when he made that post? Yes, hence I was asking why he didn't just come out and call me scum instead of pussyfooting around it. I don't consider that scummy since it was pretty damn obvious where he was going with it. He didn't hold back any case, his whole tunnel has pretty much been the same case. Why give up your push so easily Sylencia? Is Axle scum or not? | ||
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Why is BH so towny? How the crap is Stutters townier than Vayne or Shiao? Like...I just don't follow this. I'm pretty sure you've moved up to my next target after BH though instead of Stutters. | ||
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Tone it down, broski. I originally had you as scum because your return to the thread when Vayne was trying to fake you out or some shit looked absolutely awful. Like, telling someone you'd lynch them after you're dead is hilariously bad. Not a scumslip I guess but it clearly showed that you were rattled. 'Survival instincts' is more a scum thing than a town thing. Now what makes YOU think Shiao is scum? On June 13 2013 13:16 Stutters695 wrote: By paragraph Because before he was mayor there wasn't anything he could do that would objectively hurt. Threatening to vig anyone for any reason except a solid scumread is retarded and incredibly anti-town and worst case could cost us the game if he actually shoots. It's simply I felt his vig threats were causing were significantly more danger to town than the possible derailing of discussion by calling him out on it. This is why I wanted you to be viged after the flip. If it's town we re-evaluate our options and determine if it's an acceptable risk or abstain. If we hit scum then a vig on you (considering you were borderline worthless to that point ) really wouldn't have hurt us since we had to deal with you at some point. I'm honestly not sure on him anymore, I need to brood on it some. A big portion of my case was how he handled jampis lynch, but because I was doing it over filters I didn't realize that he had voted minutes to the lynch. I'm still leaning scum on him but I'm not comfortable pushing it without looking into it more after I'm off work. He has done a shit ton more analysis and put more effort into the game than you have. Your point regarding his reaction to jampi has some merit but that's all you've offered. His reads coincide somewhat with mine, and while on its own that isn't exactly a towntell, if he's helping me lynch BH I sure as hell am not going to turn on him and call him scum. You, Sylencia and BH are all on my list right now, and as I mentioned, Sylencia's recent posting has put him higher on the scumlist than you. Anything else, good sir? Anyone you're going to be voting for today? | ||
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On June 14 2013 02:06 AxleGreaser wrote: While the delay was concerning especially when repeated You appeared to miss the point so I adjusted the bolding in the quote. Gravman Said: "Now I'm supposed to respond to Axle 'cause he's been asking me for a while so let me get to that, and then I'm around for discussion and such." My problem was that you referred to it as 'supposed' to the use of that word seems wrong for town player acting alone, but makes sense if it is as a result of discussion elsewhere such as in the scum QT. Also This is your case (I believe) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18867420 What kind of answers could have been given to these questions that would supported your case. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18859699 Oh I see, so you think I scumslipped, huh? Ok, good luck with that. Haha you picked a point that even BH wouldn't support. As for the 'fishing for answers,' honestly....I guess I don't have a sufficient way to prove this to you but you'll see in postgame or after I flip---you're looking way too deeply into this as though I had some mega overarching agenda here. With my questioning about his stance towards Vayne, had I been able to use meta I would shove it in his face that both Vayne AND I had beaten him in Les Mafia. I knew personally the only reason he thought at that point that Vayne was a good player was because of Les Mafia, which is a terrible reason. Scum play does not equal town play, and a SINGLE game of good play is not a good example to overall good play. I was trying to make it evident to the thread that BH's initial reasoning to calling VA a good mayoral choice was inherently flawed and his trumped up ego, thinking "well, he beat me, the best player of all time last game, so he MUST be good" is making the decisions for him. As I've pointed out, when dealing with players supposedly better than him he will suppress the egotistical nature but when dealing with anyone else it comes out to play. He uses it as it suits him. Axle I'm willing to continue to follow your endless questions until the cows come home, but is it ever going to stop? Are you ever going to contribute to the thread in any other way? It honestly worries me because I know I'm town and I'm pretty sure you are, and this is wasting a shot ton of time that could be put to more productive use. What can I do to get you to at least look elsewhere even if you keep your vote on me? | ||
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On June 14 2013 02:15 ShiaoPi wrote: also axle is town after i filtered him. While there is sometimes lack of comittment his effort and analysis scream town to me. I mean it took my ages judt to get thriugh that filter. He has been active and helpful. he is pretty much town Yup, this. Shiao, who else is scum? | ||
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On June 14 2013 02:34 AxleGreaser wrote: Find one of your scum buddies and lynch him? Alright Axle, I've changed my mind. I can see you're not going to be of any assistance today so I'm done with you. If you choose to continue to push me, so be it, but I will not be contributing to the discussion any more. I have been nothing but forthcoming in every answer I've given you and tried to help you see that I'm not scum but since you absolutely refuse to believe it, and seem to refuse to want to do anything else at all, I'm not going to waste my time that is better spent getting scum lynched. If you choose to follow another line of questioning at the same time I will gladly participate but I am finished entertaining your ideas about me. | ||
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On June 14 2013 03:00 Blazinghand wrote: usual stuff, lying, weird questions, not hunting scum. I like that point about him prodding me into shitting up the thread. very clever. Not hunting scum. HAHAHA And you have been. I dare you BH, get me lynched today. See where it gets you. I'm out for a while. I've already spent an exhausting amount of time defending myself to Axle, I'm not getting into a shitfest with BH himself. If you want to let him sway you while I'm gone then go right ahead. I'll be back before deadline. | ||
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How DARE you say I haven't been hunting scum. What the actual fuck. I have interacted with everybody in this damn thread for days, given reads, and been completely transparent with all of my thoughts since revealing myself, including those thoughts I had BEFORE revealing myself. What the FUCK have YOU done? If you guys allow yourselves to be swayed by BH in the last 7 or so hours of this day, you guys will overtake the Les Mafia town as worst lynching ever. | ||
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On June 14 2013 03:09 Blazinghand wrote: I think GM relying on things like the fact that he was roleplaying or whatever isn't a real explanation. Also, him talking about what he's "supposed" to do isn't scumslip, but rather an indicator of scum mindset. Although anyone could say that, it's more likely that scum says that than town because the idea of "supposed" to do something, of needing to fit into a role, isn't what town's about. It's not damning evidence like AG things it is-- but it is evidence. Also GM's decision not to interact with Axle after having his arguments shot down pretty hard is a pretty classic way of opting out of legitimate discourse and fits with his weird questioning of me during D1. GM's goal here isn't to be townie, it's to appear townie, to go through the motions that townies go through. Right, because it was that ONE final question he asked that did it for me. Not the 500 I answered before. Weak man, fucking weak. I hate dealing with you in these games so much; I really wish I didn't blow my goddamn cover so I didn't have to deal with you like this. | ||
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I'll be back before lynch and catch up then. | ||
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I realize I may not be around until after deadline as I have to watch the rest of our recorded Masterchef from last night after my guy goes to sleep so I'll try to pop in and out sporadically. BH, you say I only get angry in my single scum game, huh? Have we forgotten what happens when you base all of your ideas on someone's play from only one game? Tell me, did I or did I not get angry when you were scum and I was town in Carnival Cruise, too? Shiao I'm honestly shocked that BH showing up, giving a couple weak reads and then fucking off is enough for you to unvote. What a shining example of towniness, that BH. | ||
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If you still don't have any super strong townreads by the end of today to pass off the mayorship to, and if I am set to be lynched, I want you to shoot me before the day is out so you can get BH lynched. There is absolutely no way in hell BH is town; this is not just an example of two townies going at it. I am 100% sure of this. | ||
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On June 14 2013 05:07 Blazinghand wrote: Man hapa really should have shot you I think that statement I mentioned while still under persona still applies. What was it again? Oh yeah. Tough shit. You're going down, scum. | ||
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I think I already see how this is going down, too. Since Oats is Oats and for some inexplicable reason thinks BH is town, he will be voting me, then scum Sylencia will be safe to jump on the wagon too and vote me. It's going to come down to Shiao and Stutters, and I don't know whether Stutters is scum or not. I don't even think a 1 for 1 trade is optimal for us right now either but I just don't think I can convince enough people in here otherwise. | ||
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On June 14 2013 05:22 VayneAuthority wrote: If one of you gets lynched, I am shooting the other after immediately if the lynched is town, I think we can agree on that. Deal. I'll have to accept the 1 for 1 right now even if it may not be quite optimal...thought it would be better if you lynch BH first so the shot doesn't have to go to waste in that case but yeah. | ||
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On June 14 2013 05:24 Blazinghand wrote: Why Oh wait, you don't like this? Afraid all of a sudden? What's wrong with your case BH? | ||
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On June 14 2013 05:26 Blazinghand wrote: or if GM flips town, does that make his case against me somehow good? Like, basically what you're saying is you aren't gonna comment on the merits of my case against GM (or vice versa) and just shoot the other one? The point is my cases of had complete merit against you all game. Axle makes a point in that in order to smurf I was forced to be slightly misleading but he discounts the town perspective of all that I've done. You haven't offered anything that hasn't been instantly refuted. You have still done NOTHING. | ||
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On June 14 2013 05:28 Blazinghand wrote: The point is I don't think you're 100% scum. I'd rather lynch VA today, but that's simply not possible. And what happens if I get lynched and flip town, and it turns out that somehow you're town and VA just shoots you saying "I guess BH was actually town, he must be right" the point is, VA can't just do that without commenting on the objective merits of both our cases. he can't say the only thing holding him back from shooting either of us is the fact that (cases not withstanding) he's not sure if our cases are town or scum motivated. VA is basically confirmed scum. I hate to consider this but now I have to think. He is certainly not 'confirmed' anything, but you have a point. The fact remains that I don't believe we're both town though. I can even tell by the way people have voted today. If we were both town then scum would be completely content to sit back and let the sparks fly but there have been other topics of conversation all day, and not a whole lot of blind sheeping of either of us. Because I know that I am town that still makes me believe that you must be scum. | ||
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On June 14 2013 05:30 Blazinghand wrote: scum wouldn't be able to distinguish "3p vs townie" from "townie vs townie" so really you only feel good about one of us being scum. and even so that's shit logic. lol apparently VA and I have the same shit logic. Guess we're both scum and GG, right? | ||
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Just sayin'. He's good but this game what we saw of him he didn't really get us anywhere. Sheeping dead people doesn't always work. If people had sheeped BH in Les Mafia they still would have lost because he though GK was scum. | ||
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On June 14 2013 05:36 Blazinghand wrote: This is definitely shit logic, given that half the thread is lurking and VA has basically been sitting on his ass. You have zero right to say anything about lurking. You have done dick all for most of the game. Yes VA hasn't done shit either but you have no right to call him out on that. So tell me, did we cook up that shit logic together in the scum QT? As far as faking the claim that's a stupid gamble to take as scum and from what you know of VA's scumgame, isn't he better than that? | ||
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On June 14 2013 05:40 VayneAuthority wrote: yawn, BH is the reason I don't give a shit about this game. He's just unpleasant to play with. Can't wait to shoot him tbh. I would say just fucking do it, but that doesn't seem like a good idea since the thread is so divided atm. I at least would want to show people they were wrong about me before shooting him, or give them the chance to see that for themselves and lynch him. | ||
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You'll notice now that there is not a 'clear' mislynch option he is actually forced to come back and try a little rather than simply be content to shit things up. He obviously had no reason to come back and do anything at all until recently because he is set to be lynched. He was content to continue doing nothing until the wagon on himself picked up steam. | ||
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On June 14 2013 06:01 Blazinghand wrote: jesus christ you don't really get it do you shoot whoever you think is the scummiest. do it now. Remember this? No. On June 14 2013 05:46 VayneAuthority wrote: I would just do it if I didn't care about other people's playing experiences, its not really fair to the other people putting in effort like oats/axle/shaio/etc. Hopefully they decide on a lynch soon. Let the rest of the thread show up and we can all decide what to do about the shot. If people agree to take the shot early, then let it be done. Haste is not going to get us anywhere. | ||
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On June 14 2013 07:10 WaveofShadow wrote: So then you think VA and I are a likely scumteam? Quoted for filter. It's getting pretty near to deadline and I may or may not be around. Can we try to come to some sort of consolidation so we can figure out what to do with the shot? This is a little bit ridiculous. The fuck is everyone? | ||
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On June 14 2013 09:06 Blazinghand wrote: whatever VA does with his bullet, hold him accountable. dont' let him say "BH flipped town so i shoot GM with no explanation huehueheue" or something similar. a I will keep this in mind if necessary. I don't think it IS necessary, but I'm sure if the positions were reversed you'd think the same thing. The issue I see is if somehow you flip town (again, don't see it) then anything I say will appear as though I am 'weaseling my way out of the shot.' Of course then the issue becomes if you're town then he shoots me and I'm town, then VA is fucked. And if somehow we're all town then gg, lurkers win. | ||
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I've derped some claims in my time and people called me bad for it and tried to lynch me as well but in the end I was always telling the truth. | ||
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BH reads outside of me and VA? I'll give mine as well in case the tide turns when I'm not around; Sylencia and Stutters in that order. If Axle is scum we're fucked imo. | ||
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On June 14 2013 10:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Um. We really need to consolidate one wday or another or there's liable to be some shenanigans. What's going on shiao, stutters? Phonepoosting so I can't doo muxch Fk me Qouted for filter. | ||
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His last words, screamed out, were “You idiots didn’t even let me finish my dinner!” Dat flavour. Well son of a bitch, I really did think I had it without the meta. BH, mislynched twice in 2 games, methinks it's time to pick up your play a bit maybe? If you had played like Les there is no way I would have stayed on. Anyway gg. + Show Spoiler + I also think we need to agree to a truce in the next game we play together or something. Now as for the shot, obviously the fight for my life is going to look bad, so I leave it up to the town (or technically VA). You guys can either listen to what BH said and not take the shot or you can get rid of me now and remove all doubt. Either way it's pretty clear we're facing lurk city here. I honestly wonder what VA will end up deciding in the end because if he shoots me, I flip green and he looks awful. If he's town that's a shit position to be in, and if he's scum I can't honestly say if he'll take the shot and risk the vengeance of the town. I also think it's absolutely batshit retarded that nobody was around at deadline. I was even trying to fucking phonepost so I could keep tabs on what was happening. On one hand I feel like i'ts a shit ton of lurker scum we've got to deal with, but then oftentimes in a situation like this when town starts to lose this handily it's because scum activity >>>town activity. Either way town needs to stop fucking lurking if they want to win this game. Now do I live or die? | ||
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On June 14 2013 13:23 AxleGreaser wrote: @Gravman Please note I have read all of BHs end of day posts . BH flipped green is good player, so they have weight with me. I am starting my thoughts again as best I can. Earlier you made the post below. What I want you to do is think back and explain why you posted this. What was your purpose and intent. How did it benefit town, who needed at that time to know you thought that? + Show Spoiler [your post] + On June 14 2013 00:38 GravityMan wrote: This is terrible honestly. Axle seems like the towniest town that ever towned, and this case misrepresents him entirely. I'm not sure why people are letting this go. He votes him based on the fact that Axle has been flying under the radar, and that he supposedly calls me a lurker? (hint: he's not referring to me) That's his entire reasoning. The whole thing in that one post. Why is Sylencia getting away with that exactly? I mean I'm not a fan of Axle right now because he's tunneled me for about half the game but at least he's doing it in a reasonable way' I don't see scum pushing a read like he has with the analysis that he's done, and I've played with scum Axle before. Now I have to get to Axle's case on me....sigh. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18880452 Link for Thread Context I'm sick of writing essays answers to your hundreds of questions only to have you go and ignore what I say and think what you want anyway. Take what I give you, and actually consider it. Sylencia looks scummy to be and with that post I tried to make that evident. The fact that he would point you out like that to me makes him look even scummier because to me it's obvious you're town and he didn't have much of a case to go on. Like what kind of a question is 'who needed to know?' I was secretly trying to send a code to my scumbuddies. Obviously I'm fucking talking to the rest of town. Axle I'm not going to go through every single one of my posts in the thread, explain why I posted them, who I was talking to, what my intent was, what I had just eaten 15 minutes ago, what my mother's middle name is, and my bank account number for you. It's a little ridiculous. Either draw some fucking conclusions already or move on. It's enough. | ||
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Answer it yourself. I'm sick of your questions. | ||
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On June 14 2013 15:38 ShiaoPi wrote: If Vayne survives another night, he is fucking scum, I just don't see any townieness in his play at the moment. That shot on oats was pretty much a scumclaim in my opinion, fuck I wanted the shot on syl Whoa, crazy. Somebody who thinks for himself and comes up with his own answers. I didn't even know it was possible!! But yeah that was in effect a scumclaim from Vayne. I'm not exactly sure what the point was. Like...I guess he wanted to use the shot before he gives mayor to the next scum in line and wanted to shoot someone who maybe wouldn't cause an uproar amongst the surviving players. Obviously wrong about that. I'm guessing he didn't shoot me because scumteam thinks they can secure a mislynch on me at a later date. He couldn't shoot Axle or Shiao which leaves the lurkers....why not just shoot them? Hmmm.... Vayne/Sylencia scumteam Shiao? | ||
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OH another thing I just thought of. Maybe VA scumclaimed to protect Syl for a night? Possible scum PR or something? Either way I don't see any way around offing the two of them. | ||
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On June 14 2013 15:48 ShiaoPi wrote: The alternative of vayne being just stupid would mean GK is scum. But couple Vayne's play into the consideration besides the shot I think vayne scum is much more likely He can't be that stupid. He just can't. Man it's nice to have somebody who thinks on the exact same wavelength for once. I agree with basically everything you've said. | ||
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On June 14 2013 15:53 goodkarma wrote: And as for the Oats vigishot, there were definitely better shots. I still believe we should be looking at Syl, Shao, and Stutters tomorrow. Regarding Vayne: He claimed cop, and there's been no counterclaims. There's certainly more than one scum in this setup, so we should leave him alive for now until we have a better picture of how plausible his claim is. Nope. I have a good idea as to why he fakeclaimed, but again, it'll have to wait until the night is over. I won't get shot tonight because I'm a juicy mislynch target so I'll explain after night actions go down. And I completely disagree about Shiao as well. Replace him with yourself. Either way if you're scum you've got a couple days more left to live, so don't worry! | ||
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Vayne had to abandon his scumteam on short notice. On June 14 2013 12:49 VayneAuthority wrote: Well, as stated ill be shooting GM unless a lot of people object it. please respond quickly as ill be without internet in about 14ish hours for a few days. He took the shot because of the above circumstances which I noted; Oats was probably the person he figured he may have been least likely to get flak for given his brief 'yolo' explanation. Again, he couldn't shoot Axle/Shiao 'cuz obvtown, not me 'cause wanted mislynch, which leaves the rest of scum in GK/Sylencia/Stutters. I was wrong earlier, the shot wasn't taken to protect Sylencia and I know whyyyyy Scum gon' hafta shoot me because I have this game figured out :D :D :D :D :D | ||
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On June 15 2013 00:03 Sylencia wrote: oh as in that's your explanation nvm, but yeah GK not me or stutters im pretty sure lololol nope that's just part of it. I'd rather just WIFOM the hell out of you guys and you can decide whether I've actually figured you out or not. (hint: I did) I have to determine if the rest of my brilliant explanation works before I reveal it. In any case, VA dies tomorrow whether I'm right or wrong about my supersecret explanation because he scumclaimed. | ||
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Stutters is in this game? St-st-stutters, who is scum? Sylencia your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. | ||
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I'm taking up BH's mantle of /Dunkmaster FEAR FOR YOUR LIVES SCUMTEAM | ||
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I will remember you always. /tear | ||
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Off the bat I would think Stutters is more likely but I gotta look to be sure. | ||
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Makes no sense from a standpoint of someone who doesn't already know the alignments. Scum. On to Stutters/GK | ||
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I'm in the middle of reading you and I has some questions. | ||
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Any thoughts on GK? | ||
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On June 15 2013 01:04 Stutters695 wrote: Vayne. Syl is giving me weird vibes, I'm not sure he's scum though. I need to really look at him. I'm not sure I understand why he keeps saying I'm not scum and why the hell he thinks I'm blue. I'm going to ask you some question right now. Because I feel that I already know the answers to said questions I'm asking them to attempt to divine your alignment, so they are not useless questions. (THERE, AXLE, I PRE-EXPLAINED MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU) For the record, it's not whether you answer these 'right' or 'wrong' that will help me, so do your best to answer naturally, k? K. Why did Vayne do what he did? What are your thoughts on GK/Shiao right now? Am I likely to be scum or town? Why? Did your opinion of me change at some point? If so, when? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 15 2013 01:14 ShiaoPi wrote: currently on phone and half asleep. GK is terribly lurky, which makes reading him such a pain in the ass. now his slow start has started to be a bit faster. but I am unable to really decide on his alignment right niw. His long posts have some merit in them but the phases in which he is just absent do not ring well with me. what gives food for thought is that he is onboard with suspicion on syl. If you put stutters and gk next to each other i wouod say based on activity gk is more likely scum but contribution lwise stutters since he disappeared and had some half cases going but he never followed them up truly. in this aspect gk is better aince he has taken more stances Alright I guess I'll hold back on my thoughts regarding GK until he comes back; barring that I'll post them before deadline. Go to bed if you need to. Ya done good. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
Take your time, Stutters. Or...don't, 'cause people want to go to bed apparently? | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
Honestly, the answer to the Vayne question is good enough, the others aren't. Please give me some reasoning as to your feelings regarding Shiao, and dive GK when you get the chance. Preferably before Daybreak? I don't care about whether you're right or you're wrong in terms of commitment. If you don't want to commit and say I'm scum or town, fine. I don't need a case from you, I just want to hear anything at all with some real reasoning behind it regarding me and others. You know who I am now, great. Why does that make you feel better? REASONS, Stutters. I require them. Remind me once again as to your regular activity patterns? You're supposed to be better or worse on weekends, I forget. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 15 2013 03:19 Stutters695 wrote: Worse on weekends and days where my girlfriend and I are both off. Yesterday was spring cleaning and getting lost in Ikea for three hours lol. Yeah I've got some stuff coming up before the day post you'll like. Let me ask you a question though, what do you make of Syl repeatedly mentioning me as a potential vigi? I already know he's scum so that particular interaction with you means nothing to me. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
On June 15 2013 03:51 Stutters695 wrote: Regarding why I think you're town, this post is a great example. You called out my posting for all the right reasons. You're open to explanations but when you ask questions you're clearly showing a scum mindset behind the person you're questioning. I can go more in depth if you want but I'd rather spend that time on people I still suspect. Alright, go ahead. This post made me think about something I may have to take into account later. I await the post that you think I'll like. This is probably my last post until shortly before deadline unless I can phonepost a lil'. | ||
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
WHAT WILL YOU DO, SCUM? | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
That's a terrible reason. He was clearly referring to mayorvig. | ||
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Guyana (French)188 Posts
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
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GravityMan
Guyana (French)188 Posts
So there is no good way of doing this because I need to do it during the day after NKs take place, but since I might BE a NK, I have to give you guys something to go on. Look at the colours of those who have passed. Hopefully that's enough for you smart people to figure it out if I die. As for scum: Vayne, Sylencia in that order. Remember how I said I was 100% sure of BH being scum and I was wrong? I'm actually 100% sure of VA. Lynch him NO MATTER WHAT. Trying to determine who he chose as mayor's alignment solely based on that is WIFOM but more likely to go to scum 'cause 2 votes. Third scum (if there is) is likely to be Stutters. I believe GK to be town for reasons I will discuss if I don't die and he comes back. Doubt there's 3p. | ||
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