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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On June 15 2013 13:42 ShiaoPi wrote: I just thought let's try it xD I mean it was much in line with early game shenanigans apparently the whole scum team spontaneously decided to play go big or go home | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
We had NOTHING on you guys. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On June 15 2013 14:12 WaveofShadow wrote: lol reading your QT now I remember Prom calling us (Les Mafia) the most tryhard scumteam he'd ever seen. We had NOTHING on you guys. I just realised my QT post count may have been higher than in the game... the number of words would be less though. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
I really fucked up the RB n1, sorry guys. Well played though scum. Thanks for hosting Cora/Ange/Ghost, I appreciate it. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On June 14 2013 01:04 Sylencia wrote: Because it's fairly clear that I'm the only one who had thought of Axle that way pretty quickly. I'm still putting him in the possible scum pile though. Oatsmaster Blazinghand Stutters695 VayneAuthority GravityMan ShiaoPi AxleGreaser Goodkarma Town->scum order for me is some sort of rough order like this, a lot of them are close though. The fact Vayne is so damn low for a cop claim is pretty retarded though. Town MVP right here. and he wasn't even town. Nuff said. | ||
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
7-3-1 misslynch 6-3-1 nightkill 5-3-1 mayor condemns 4-3-1 and then the survior votes with scum and they have a majority. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
I hope you guys enjoyed the setup. Maybe I’ll come up with more unique stuff in the future. I’d love to hear some feedback about it in the meantime though =) This isn't as much feedback on this particular setup as an idea that just occured to me but whatever. An idea regarding the Survivor role: have it return 'innocent' to investigations normally, but 'guilty' if the hiding power is used. I'm not sure what result Survivor returns normally (if it's normally guilty this might make the role imbalanced) but it does introduce a somewhat interesting choice to the role, instead of "press hide to win". On a related note, my condolences to Sylencia - you got deucedly unlucky and my impression from the little reading I did was that you played a good game. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
In my opinion, this setup particularly rewards strong play, more than many setups. Ordinarily, a setup with 11 players, 3 scum and a third party would be strongly scum-favoured, especially seeing as the survivor (unlike an SK) has no particular interest in stopping a scum win if it's looking likely. Giving scum three roles and town only two (will discuss mayor later) extends this further. Between the framer and godfather, the cop was as likely to get a misleading check as an accurate guilty... Of course, the counterbalance to this is the mayor role - and this is where the rewarding of strong play comes in. If scum gets their hands on the mayoralty in combination with their other advantages, they are very likely to win from that point onwards. However, scum are only likely to get the mayoralty if at least one of their players looks like the towniest player in the thread... a difficult proposition. On the other hand, if a small group of strong townies retain the mayoralty they may be able to ride it to victory. Town really have to hit scum with either the condemnation or the majority of their lynches to be in a good position, which places a fair bit more pressure on the town than is ordinarily the case. Using the condemnation to put on the pressure at night without actually using it was some sweet play from Hapa, and given that a town player would usually have the mayoralty N1 it puts a fair bit more in the town's arsenal. Overall, I feel that this particular arrangement of PRs might have been a little scum-favoured. This game might have looked a lot different if town had had a doctor and protected Hapa night 1. Also, even if he hadn't had to claim, the cop is less effective with two investigation-foiling scum PRs in the game. Then again, the combination of a doctor with the Mayor role might be inherently unbalanced towards town, I'd have to think about that. I'm not taking anything away from a thoroughly deserved scum victory here, just some theorycrafting. tl;dr The setup (at least with these PRs and the survivor) is inherently swingy, and strong plays from either scum or town to grab the mayoralty and to use it have a large impact on the final result. Which isn't a bad thing, though I don't know that I'd want to play this every game. Overall an interesting dynamic, would half-assedly observe again. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On June 15 2013 16:44 Aquanim wrote: Overall, I feel that this particular arrangement of PRs might have been a little scum-favoured. This game might have looked a lot different if town had had a doctor and protected Hapa night 1. Also, even if he hadn't had to claim, the cop is less effective with two investigation-foiling scum PRs in the game. Then again, the combination of a doctor with the Mayor role might be inherently unbalanced towards town, I'd have to think about that. I'm not taking anything away from a thoroughly deserved scum victory here, just some theorycrafting. Yeah tbh when I was making the spreadsheet I had some discrepancy where I had a medic in one sheet and an rb in the other. Since I didn't remember which one I wanted, I just put the RB in because I thought a magic heal bus on the mayor (along with mayors being strong town) would make it way too hard for scum mayorship away. Thanks for your review! I appreciate it! | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
GK looked pretty scummy and I think he was allowed to get away with 'replacement' status for too long. The thing about ShiaoPi that I noticed early on was how insistent he was for running for mayor, even at the point it was blatantly obvious Hapa was town, and running for mayor. Why so insistent? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On June 15 2013 15:01 jampidampi wrote: Well played scum team, well played. It's kinda funny that this game could have ended D2 if scum won the election. 7-3-1 misslynch 6-3-1 nightkill 5-3-1 mayor condemns 4-3-1 and then the survior votes with scum and they have a majority. Good thing hapa didnt roll scum then also neither the survivor nor the scum mayor would be sure the other existed. but yeah a scum mayor D1 looks bad | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On June 15 2013 19:15 marvellosity wrote: I thought Axle played tremendously. GK looked pretty scummy and I think he was allowed to get away with 'replacement' status for too long. The thing about ShiaoPi that I noticed early on was how insistent he was for running for mayor, even at the point it was blatantly obvious Hapa was town, and running for mayor. Why so insistent? Good thing you were not in this game then  Well I for ome am just happy that I managed to improve mu scumplay from most obvious scum ever :DI also agree that axle was scum mvp. I mean I could just say he is the towniest guy in existence and nobody seriously contested that statement (besides syl^^). Never had this feeling with another scumbuddy to be able to get away with that. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 15 2013 20:34 ShiaoPi wrote: Good thing you were not in this game then Well I for ome am just happy that I managed to improve mu scumplay from most obvious scum ever :DI also agree that axle was scum mvp. I mean I could just say he is the towniest guy in existence and nobody seriously contested that statement (besides syl^^). Never had this feeling with another scumbuddy to be able to get away with that. I didn't follow the game that much, so what I'm saying is just with the benefit of hindsight edit: and yes, from what I saw of you it was a massive step up from your previous scumplay | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
But yeah, wonderful day 1 from scum made the rest of the game just not fucking up for them. WoS, I dont see why you need to smurf to change your playstyle, I just felt that the roleplaying obscured some of the stuff you were saying and it wasnt brought across properly cause people to suspect you. | ||
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
On June 15 2013 20:19 AxleGreaser wrote: Good thing hapa didnt roll scum then also neither the survivor nor the scum mayor would be sure the other existed. but yeah a scum mayor D1 looks bad Even if scum don't know there is a survivor, it's still D2 LYLO. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On June 15 2013 23:53 jampidampi wrote: Even if scum don't know there is a survivor, it's still D2 LYLO. Oh yeah, didnt think of that, from that point of view. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
It was a funny moment. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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