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GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 14 2013 16:04 GMT
#1281
Shiao, you still around?
Any thoughts on GK?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 14 2013 16:07 GMT
#1282
On June 15 2013 01:04 Stutters695 wrote:
Vayne. Syl is giving me weird vibes, I'm not sure he's scum though. I need to really look at him. I'm not sure I understand why he keeps saying I'm not scum and why the hell he thinks I'm blue.

I'm going to ask you some question right now.
Because I feel that I already know the answers to said questions I'm asking them to attempt to divine your alignment, so they are not useless questions.
(THERE, AXLE, I PRE-EXPLAINED MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU)
For the record, it's not whether you answer these 'right' or 'wrong' that will help me, so do your best to answer naturally, k?
K.
Why did Vayne do what he did?
What are your thoughts on GK/Shiao right now?
Am I likely to be scum or town? Why? Did your opinion of me change at some point? If so, when?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 14 2013 16:14 GMT
#1283
currently on phone and half asleep.
GK is terribly lurky, which makes reading him such a pain in the ass. now his slow start has started to be a bit faster. but I am unable to really decide on his alignment right niw. His long posts have some merit in them but the phases in which he is just absent do not ring well with me. what gives food for thought is that he is onboard with suspicion on syl.
If you put stutters and gk next to each other i wouod say based on activity gk is more likely scum but contribution lwise stutters since he disappeared and had some half cases going but he never followed them up truly. in this aspect gk is better aince he has taken more stances
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 14 2013 16:15 GMT
#1284
ebwop: answer gm's questions asap please stutters.
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GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 14 2013 16:17 GMT
#1285
On June 15 2013 01:14 ShiaoPi wrote:
currently on phone and half asleep.
GK is terribly lurky, which makes reading him such a pain in the ass. now his slow start has started to be a bit faster. but I am unable to really decide on his alignment right niw. His long posts have some merit in them but the phases in which he is just absent do not ring well with me. what gives food for thought is that he is onboard with suspicion on syl.
If you put stutters and gk next to each other i wouod say based on activity gk is more likely scum but contribution lwise stutters since he disappeared and had some half cases going but he never followed them up truly. in this aspect gk is better aince he has taken more stances

Alright I guess I'll hold back on my thoughts regarding GK until he comes back; barring that I'll post them before deadline.
Go to bed if you need to. Ya done good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 14 2013 16:26 GMT
#1286
stutters why you take so long :S
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 14 2013 16:27 GMT
#1287
We're all waiting in anticipation, this is great
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 14 2013 16:48 GMT
#1288
I'm so excited im going to sleep
GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 14 2013 16:49 GMT
#1289
Oh yeah, and I suppose this goes without saying, but avoiding it is essentially a scumclaim.
Take your time, Stutters.

Or...don't, 'cause people want to go to bed apparently?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 14 2013 17:05 GMT
#1290
On June 15 2013 01:07 GravityMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 01:04 Stutters695 wrote:
Vayne. Syl is giving me weird vibes, I'm not sure he's scum though. I need to really look at him. I'm not sure I understand why he keeps saying I'm not scum and why the hell he thinks I'm blue.

I'm going to ask you some question right now.
Because I feel that I already know the answers to said questions I'm asking them to attempt to divine your alignment, so they are not useless questions.
(THERE, AXLE, I PRE-EXPLAINED MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU)
For the record, it's not whether you answer these 'right' or 'wrong' that will help me, so do your best to answer naturally, k?
K.
Why did Vayne do what he did?
What are your thoughts on GK/Shiao right now?
Am I likely to be scum or town? Why? Did your opinion of me change at some point? If so, when?


So essentially what you're telling me is to fly casually.

Why did Vayne do what he did? This one is tough, but that's the real trick, isn't it? Honestly I have no idea why unless scum is a 3 man team or they're confident in a survivor who will vote with them after the nk. They probably feel confident that they can win before Vayne gets lynched. Otherwise Vayne would have made a case on his shot and limped forward like he has been by virtue of the cop claim.

I need to catch up on their interactions but I'm feeling Shiao is much more likely to be town than when I made my case. I need to dive GK still, had a busy couple of days.

Honestly I haven't had a solid read on you all game, either way. You're posting recently and knowing your identity makes me fairly sure you're town.

Now you might be thinking to yourself "I love how non-committal stutters is being" sarcastically.

I know.

I don't commit until I'm positive usually because what good is a case if I'm not around to push it?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 14 2013 17:11 GMT
#1291
Syl why do you think I'm a vig? If you think that I am why would you bring it up because you're essentially asking to get me RB'd if scum has one.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 14 2013 17:48 GMT
#1292
No comments? Are you not entertained?
GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 14 2013 18:05 GMT
#1293
I just got back.
Honestly, the answer to the Vayne question is good enough, the others aren't.
Please give me some reasoning as to your feelings regarding Shiao, and dive GK when you get the chance. Preferably before Daybreak?

I don't care about whether you're right or you're wrong in terms of commitment. If you don't want to commit and say I'm scum or town, fine. I don't need a case from you, I just want to hear anything at all with some real reasoning behind it regarding me and others. You know who I am now, great. Why does that make you feel better? REASONS, Stutters. I require them.

Remind me once again as to your regular activity patterns? You're supposed to be better or worse on weekends, I forget.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 14 2013 18:19 GMT
#1294
Worse on weekends and days where my girlfriend and I are both off. Yesterday was spring cleaning and getting lost in Ikea for three hours lol.

Yeah I've got some stuff coming up before the day post you'll like.

Let me ask you a question though, what do you make of Syl repeatedly mentioning me as a potential vigi?
GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 14 2013 18:21 GMT
#1295
On June 15 2013 03:19 Stutters695 wrote:
Worse on weekends and days where my girlfriend and I are both off. Yesterday was spring cleaning and getting lost in Ikea for three hours lol.

Yeah I've got some stuff coming up before the day post you'll like.

Let me ask you a question though, what do you make of Syl repeatedly mentioning me as a potential vigi?

I already know he's scum so that particular interaction with you means nothing to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 14 2013 18:51 GMT
#1296
Regarding why I think you're town, this post is a great example.

You called out my posting for all the right reasons. You're open to explanations but when you ask questions you're clearly showing a scum mindset behind the person you're questioning. I can go more in depth if you want but I'd rather spend that time on people I still suspect.


On June 14 2013 02:09 GravityMan wrote:
I don't like your new 'I'm mad as hell and I'm not taking it anymore' persona. It's not getting you anywhere.
Tone it down, broski.

I originally had you as scum because your return to the thread when Vayne was trying to fake you out or some shit looked absolutely awful. Like, telling someone you'd lynch them after you're dead is hilariously bad. Not a scumslip I guess but it clearly showed that you were rattled. 'Survival instincts' is more a scum thing than a town thing.

Now what makes YOU think Shiao is scum?
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 13:16 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 13 2013 12:47 goodkarma wrote:
@Stutters:

Your assessment of Vayne isn't entirely unreasonable, but the aggressive fashion in which you did it feels off to me. Also if this was what you were thinking, why didn't it come up much sooner?

On June 13 2013 08:04 Stutters695 wrote:
I was thinking at the hallway point of the day but given how little interaction he's had period a flip of either type really wouldn't guarantee any info. It also lets us plan around worst case scenario (3 scum team) and a mislynch today+nk+vig shot would knock us down to six total which would be endgame.

I think we can hit scum today but I'd rather plan around the worst case, especially since GK is so coinflippy.


Stutters, would you mind briefly explaining how as town you would propose I get vigie'd if it indeed is true that we'd be at endgame tomorrow in your above scenario? You mention me to be coinflippy, yet were anxious earlier to vig me anyway... This doesn't make much sense to me if indeed the situation is as dire as you describe it.

Finally, Shao was your top scumread, but that was quite a while ago. Is he still your top scumread now?

By paragraph

Because before he was mayor there wasn't anything he could do that would objectively hurt. Threatening to vig anyone for any reason except a solid scumread is retarded and incredibly anti-town and worst case could cost us the game if he actually shoots. It's simply I felt his vig threats were causing were significantly more danger to town than the possible derailing of discussion by calling him out on it.

This is why I wanted you to be viged after the flip. If it's town we re-evaluate our options and determine if it's an acceptable risk or abstain. If we hit scum then a vig on you (considering you were borderline worthless to that point ) really wouldn't have hurt us since we had to deal with you at some point.

I'm honestly not sure on him anymore, I need to brood on it some. A big portion of my case was how he handled jampis lynch, but because I was doing it over filters I didn't realize that he had voted minutes to the lynch. I'm still leaning scum on him but I'm not comfortable pushing it without looking into it more after I'm off work.

He has done a shit ton more analysis and put more effort into the game than you have. Your point regarding his reaction to jampi has some merit but that's all you've offered. His reads coincide somewhat with mine, and while on its own that isn't exactly a towntell, if he's helping me lynch BH I sure as hell am not going to turn on him and call him scum.
You, Sylencia and BH are all on my list right now, and as I mentioned, Sylencia's recent posting has put him higher on the scumlist than you.

Anything else, good sir? Anyone you're going to be voting for today?

GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 14 2013 18:58 GMT
#1297
On June 15 2013 03:51 Stutters695 wrote:
Regarding why I think you're town, this post is a great example.

You called out my posting for all the right reasons. You're open to explanations but when you ask questions you're clearly showing a scum mindset behind the person you're questioning. I can go more in depth if you want but I'd rather spend that time on people I still suspect.


Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 02:09 GravityMan wrote:
I don't like your new 'I'm mad as hell and I'm not taking it anymore' persona. It's not getting you anywhere.
Tone it down, broski.

I originally had you as scum because your return to the thread when Vayne was trying to fake you out or some shit looked absolutely awful. Like, telling someone you'd lynch them after you're dead is hilariously bad. Not a scumslip I guess but it clearly showed that you were rattled. 'Survival instincts' is more a scum thing than a town thing.

Now what makes YOU think Shiao is scum?
On June 13 2013 13:16 Stutters695 wrote:
On June 13 2013 12:47 goodkarma wrote:
@Stutters:

Your assessment of Vayne isn't entirely unreasonable, but the aggressive fashion in which you did it feels off to me. Also if this was what you were thinking, why didn't it come up much sooner?

On June 13 2013 08:04 Stutters695 wrote:
I was thinking at the hallway point of the day but given how little interaction he's had period a flip of either type really wouldn't guarantee any info. It also lets us plan around worst case scenario (3 scum team) and a mislynch today+nk+vig shot would knock us down to six total which would be endgame.

I think we can hit scum today but I'd rather plan around the worst case, especially since GK is so coinflippy.


Stutters, would you mind briefly explaining how as town you would propose I get vigie'd if it indeed is true that we'd be at endgame tomorrow in your above scenario? You mention me to be coinflippy, yet were anxious earlier to vig me anyway... This doesn't make much sense to me if indeed the situation is as dire as you describe it.

Finally, Shao was your top scumread, but that was quite a while ago. Is he still your top scumread now?

By paragraph

Because before he was mayor there wasn't anything he could do that would objectively hurt. Threatening to vig anyone for any reason except a solid scumread is retarded and incredibly anti-town and worst case could cost us the game if he actually shoots. It's simply I felt his vig threats were causing were significantly more danger to town than the possible derailing of discussion by calling him out on it.

This is why I wanted you to be viged after the flip. If it's town we re-evaluate our options and determine if it's an acceptable risk or abstain. If we hit scum then a vig on you (considering you were borderline worthless to that point ) really wouldn't have hurt us since we had to deal with you at some point.

I'm honestly not sure on him anymore, I need to brood on it some. A big portion of my case was how he handled jampis lynch, but because I was doing it over filters I didn't realize that he had voted minutes to the lynch. I'm still leaning scum on him but I'm not comfortable pushing it without looking into it more after I'm off work.

He has done a shit ton more analysis and put more effort into the game than you have. Your point regarding his reaction to jampi has some merit but that's all you've offered. His reads coincide somewhat with mine, and while on its own that isn't exactly a towntell, if he's helping me lynch BH I sure as hell am not going to turn on him and call him scum.
You, Sylencia and BH are all on my list right now, and as I mentioned, Sylencia's recent posting has put him higher on the scumlist than you.

Anything else, good sir? Anyone you're going to be voting for today?


Alright, go ahead.
This post made me think about something I may have to take into account later.
I await the post that you think I'll like. This is probably my last post until shortly before deadline unless I can phonepost a lil'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 15 2013 00:32 GMT
#1298
This is three part (shiao, syl, gk in that order). I might not get to the other two parts before the flip/possibly tonight, but tomorrow at the latest. Because I'm phone posting I won't be quoting the posts but I'll explain the issues I see as I go, kind of steaming my thoughts.

First the mayor campaign is null. The first post I'm looking at is his vote on Vayne d1. One of his more town posts. I don't have anything bad to say about it except that it was early and thus easier to paint posting as scummy because there is less to explain.

He's not very committed on the jampi lynch, eh it was a cluster fuck.

Where he calls for the vig shot on me for"flying under the radar" is where I get concerned. He isn't calling for it on grounds of anything scummy I've done and town and scum both fly under the radar every game. Saying he's not familiar with my meta makes me think he is preparing for an out of I was condemned.

He doesn't decide to say that the shot should wait until hours later. Why is that? Pretty obvious to me that more discussion pre-lynch is good.


Battery on my phone is about to die. Posting this and I'll pick up where I left off later.
GravityMan
Profile Joined June 2013
Guyana (French)188 Posts
June 15 2013 00:57 GMT
#1299
The time draws near.
WHAT WILL YOU DO, SCUM?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Pkpp49aMk
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 15 2013 01:34 GMT
#1300
Afaik there is no Rb right? I'll explain why I thought stutters was big when I get on a comp, and but basically it was those posts about vane saying he'd shoot immediately after the lynch then correcting himself
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