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On June 11 2013 11:19 Blazinghand wrote: aww hapa what happened to ? realizing now how wrong you are? yes you are. Who would you like me to shoot BH? | ||
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On June 11 2013 11:22 GravityMan wrote: You realize by doing so you are only further placing the fate of this town into your hands alone? I am not sure I agree with the usage of this ability at the present time if the strength of a read is not crystal clear. I have a read, I just want to see if anyone mentions him before I do. | ||
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On June 11 2013 11:23 Blazinghand wrote: Fair enough shiaopi i'll put something together. FWIW Hapa really thinks i'm town despite what he says. he's just trying to kick my ass and make me be helpful, or else he'd have already shot me. He'd never leave scum alive Yes and no. I have a conflicting read on you, in that I think you are being useless and scummy, however you're really really annoying this game and have an attitude that appears not to care about your perception in the thread. I'm not sure which one outweighs which right now. | ||
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Hai GK - catch up plz and tell me who you want dead with my fancy mayor powers. | ||
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On June 11 2013 11:52 Hapahauli wrote: Is the mayoral "condemn" power block-able (either by scum RB or abilities such as the Survivor "shield")? | ||
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You're just shouting non-allignment indicative statements: On June 11 2013 12:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Hapa why are you so wrong? Obviously I'm capable of leading a mislynch as town, especially on Day 1. Why do you not have any current scum reads? I've mentioned several in my filter that you are not reading. And even if I didn't, we're one hour into N1 after my top scum-read just flipped town. So it's not like it matters. Why do you bitch fight with BH about nothing? Bitch fighting isn't scummy, is it? Like I just really don't understand it. It seems like you're screaming about imperfections in my play rather than objectively considering it. So why are you suspicious of me? Let's hash this out. | ||
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Was that above post directed towards Shaio or to Stutters? | ||
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it is actually. Especially with stuff that doesnt really concern you and doesnt have a visible effect on my posting. The reason why its scummy is cause you look good because you are standing up for the smaller man, in this case me. This is just completely incorrect analysis. Townies "bitch-fight" all the time, true or false? I "bitch-fight" in my town games, true or false? I "bitch fight" in my scum-games, true or false? You can't just say an action is scummy without considering all the possibilities. Like a possible motive behind "bitch-fighting" can be scummy, however not all motives are. Furthermore, you're harping on a really small segment of my gameplay. I'd understand your suspicions if my entire filter was like this, but you're narrowing in on a small argument I had with Blazinghand and blowing it out of proportion in the context of my play. You thought of mayor powers before the actual flip result. Yes, so? I've been eager to see what my mayor powers will be all day. I've posted to that effect several times. Wouldn't you be excited to get the keys to the city? Like jampi was your ONLY scumread it seemed before the flip, you looked like you were pretty certain. The post seems like you kinda expected it and is what I wouldve expected out of BH maybe cause he thought jampi was town. That's flat-out false. I went after BlazingHand as well leading up to the flip, and that much should be obvious from my filter. As far as my reaction to jampi's flip... what do you want me to do, sob wildly that I mislynched someone? I mislynch people all the time. I'm annoyed and frustrated, but at the end of the day, I realize that it's D1 and you have to move on and continue scum-hunting. Dwelling on something won't find us mafia ya know. And then throughout the game, you say that you are definitely matching with your previous town meta. I assume you didnt change your playstyle then. Why didnt you? Wait. So you think I'm suspicious for not changing my normal town-playstyle? How does that make sense at all? But if you must know, I was really frustrated with the lurkiness in the game and I was put in a position where I had to generate activity to get anything out of Day 1. Please keep in mind that I had an excuse to lurk and be passive all of today and I chose not to and instead to lead a mayoral campaign and be the most active player in the thread. If you think that is suspicious, then I doubt I'll ever be able to say anything to change your mind. OH SHIT HAPA. OH SHIT 180 that you never explained what exactly made you doubt your initial read. From experience, there are certain posts that only townies make, and it looked like the one you pointed out was one of those. Why did you doubt your initial read if it was so good Hapa? And then he hammers Jampi with the meta case. I find it difficult to believe that someone who was hydraed with Jampi was so wrong about him. When I hydra'd with Jampi, I think he made 5 posts all game, and 1-2 posts in our hydra QT. We didn't have much interaction, and it was basically me playing all game there. You should know this given that you tried to mislynch me in that game as scum. Secondly, I don't understand why you think 180's are suspicious. I think I justified my vote on Jampi really well. Obviously it was wrong in retrospect, but it's really easy for someone to come into the thread post-lynch and say Jampi is town without having been there before the lynch. | ||
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I'll let Shaio answer for himself, but I will say that he's not very active early-game in his town or scum games. What's distinguishable about his meta is his attitude and bravery. For example in his scum-games, he's absurdly passive and really tries to blend in. His mayoral campaign in the early game (even if based on cookies), is the exact opposite of that. Also, his case on Vayne seems genuine. Even if it was incorrect, I can sympathize with the analysis, and I can't see it being malicious coming from Shaio. | ||
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The bitchfight thing. I think in this circumstance, you made a big deal out of a whole lotta nothing. Either cause you felt BH was being a dick, or you thought you could attack BH over it. I think its the second one and its scummy. Well first of all, please separate my actual suspicions of BH with my morality spazz. I honestly just really hated the way he was going after you. I think such antagonism leads to a very negative town atomsphere. But you didn't answer my questions: Townies "bitch-fight" all the time, true or false? I "bitch-fight" in my town games, true or false? I "bitch fight" in my scum-games, true or false? Answers bolded for you. Yeah i would be excited as scum cause I know who flips what, not so excited as town because i really rather lynch scum that have a blue role. Why are you excited about getting a blue role????? Why wouldn't I be excited about getting a power role? It's like getting a brand new video game. I got excited about the only good thing to happen at the Day 1 flip. I just think that it could be you got scum, then was worried if you played lurky and passive, you would get lynched. Thats what happened when mocsta said he was gonna change his playstyle but then rolled scum and played the same way. PRECEDENCE. All this "I could have done this" or "I could have done that" talk is fallicious. Unlike other people who have changed their scum-meta, I already have a well-established one. I have tried to change it multiple times and have miserably failed every time. Or let me pose the question: sure it is possible that I'm playing by far the best scum-game of my TL career, but how likely is it? I dont understand why you think BH is scum beyond 'antagonizing' me(not true) and thinking jampi was town. Those are horrible reasons. Please have better ones. I'm rather conflicted on BH tbh. I made that clear in this post: On June 11 2013 11:31 Hapahauli wrote: Yes and no. I have a conflicting read on you, in that I think you are being useless and scummy, however you're really really annoying this game and have an attitude that appears not to care about your perception in the thread. I'm not sure which one outweighs which right now. BH's only major analytical contributions this game are a handful of town-reads, as well as what I perceive to be a bad tunnel on you. Furthermore, his push of you is filled with personal insults, and it looked like he wanted to provoke you more than anything else. Whether or not you actually were antagonized by BH is really not the issue - the issue is one of BH's intent. However I have reasons to think that BH is town as well. He doesn't seem to care much about his image, and generally when I try to lynch players for being annoying, it ends fairly badly. That's the feeling I have about BH right now - he's being annoying, which is a sign that he's showing a town mentality, and not posting to please the town and blend in. Anything else I can address for you? At a certain point though, I can't really defend myself against a person who's not willing to take the time and thought to read my filter and objectively think about it. So even if you don't think I'm town, I have to have 1 or 2 scumbuddies, so I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts about other suspects. | ||
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On June 11 2013 13:34 goodkarma wrote: Hi all. It was feeling like it was either I replace in or DP gets modkilled. I know how much it sucks for someone to get modkilled, so here I am. Unfortunately though, I will not be able to be fully caught up until tomorrow. A couple quick things.: Lynching Jampi for being lurkish, with no other real second candidate, was very bad. We're now left with little information to go off of next lynch cycle, so let's please not do this day 2... Well what's done is done. I think Day 1 lurker lynches are good, though that's a discussion for post-game I suppose. As far as who Hapa should "vigi" with his mayor powers, I haven't seen anyone so far that looks very scummy. In many ways, I'd rather you hold off the shot. If you can find two people you're confident are town, it's very likely at least one of them will survive until tomorrow. It's not like should you die the shot dies with you, as is normally the case with vigis and one reason why vigis like to shoot on night one. But if you absolutely must vigi someone tonight, I'd hit one of the lurkers that is likely not going to be any easier to read in upcoming days: Sylencia or Stutters. I would much prefer Sylencia over Stutters given I do believe from the past games we've played I could get some grasp of Stutter's alignment later this game. I'll give everything a good read-through tomorrow. Good night. The bolded is what I was thinking as well. However I was leaning more towards Stutters, since I thought his vote on jampi was the worst of the bunch. But more of that in my next post. | ||
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On June 11 2013 04:59 Stutters695 wrote: What the fuck did I miss? Read your case on jampi hapa, I liked it. I need to read everything I missed but are there any particular things you want me to comment on? Going to check jampis filter but it seems like you're onto something. ...in which he agrees with my case, then promptly votes jampi, and proceeds to do not much else. | ||
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On June 11 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Gk is scum. Hapa second scum. . ez pz. Hapa scum for not seeing how scummy GK's thing was. GK says he doesnt have scum reads. COME ON DUDE. And he wants to kill lurkers. Thats the scummiest 1st post ever. You're joking right? He's a replacement. | ||
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Right after I post my case on jampi, he acknowledges my case (somewhat), hint's that it's good, but doesn't commit to anything: On June 11 2013 04:00 Blazinghand wrote: I like that case. consider me provisionally onboard until in done with dinner and can evaluate more cortically and can compare with my confidence on oats He then votes jampi... ... for the justification that jampi is a better lynch than the claimed cop. Note how he still really hasn't talked about jampi's behavior at all. He then all of a sudden wants to last-minute switch on Oats. Note how he doesn't mention jampi at all, which is silly considering that the only reason to switch to Oats would be if he thought jampi was very, very townie: On June 11 2013 10:57 Blazinghand wrote: I don't think I believe oats as town any more. Something about it just doesn't smell right to me. I KNOW he's liek this a lot as scum... but still. Does anyone want to lynch him? I'm willing to swap. Then finally after everything is effectively over, he starts lamenting over the fact that he is convinced that jampi is town: On June 11 2013 11:02 Blazinghand wrote: well it's too late now. I should have started the shennannies earlier. It's on me for not saving you jampi. On June 11 2013 11:02 Blazinghand wrote: dude the only thing that matters is oats is scum. why would scum jampi liek come back to the thread at the last mintue when it's too late to even save himelf BH seems too sure that jampi is town given the evidence he provides. Scum posting a couple of times before they are lynched is a completely normal occurrance on TL, yet BH takes jampi's handful of posts and pretty much is dead sure that jampi is town. Finally, his whole push to get Oat's lynched at the last minute and save jampi is the most half-assed sequence of events ever. BH basically flails rather than effectively gets anything done. | ||
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On June 11 2013 14:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Its 27 pages. Its not that hard to at least have 1 scum read. Hapa whos scum... I had already posted my read on Stutters, and now I'm back to BH being a good scum-candidate. | ||
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