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everyone will be told the name of the character they are picking for. Apart from that, picks will be anonymous. makes me sad. I propose a policy "say your character name at the start of the game" :D EDIT: bah, nvm. You probably won't even know your character name until roles have been made. | ||
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On June 21 2013 05:33 gonzaw wrote: awesome I'll repeat: Please don't make me a lame one-shot poisoner or some shit like that (if you don't know who I am because character name and shit, just don't make ANYBODY such a lame role, and that'll guarantee I won't get it!) Thank you for your attention, da gonz Your wish is my command. A 1-shot poisoner coming up! | ||
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On June 21 2013 19:02 Dandel Ion wrote: Soon you'll find out what a one-shot poisson will do. Is that better or worse than a one-shot bernoulli? | ||
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Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector. | ||
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On June 22 2013 07:23 Dandel Ion wrote: Mafia is Acro, solstice, geript and BC. Wrong. Fruitcake. | ||
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On June 22 2013 07:34 Dandel Ion wrote: go team + Show Spoiler + and with that i mean town team+ Show Spoiler + probably+ Show Spoiler + Alliance doesnt sound very townish+ Show Spoiler + what if town was mafia+ Show Spoiler + but then who was NK? Either scum was told what the town is called or DI is (unfortunately) town. And before you guys start, I say unfortunately, because I was looking forward to lynching the crap out of him. | ||
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On June 22 2013 11:06 kitaman27 wrote: Or the scum can pick off the players that created their roles and they are free to use it as they wish or modify it with a fake claim. That's silly. So what? That limits them in who they can kill. Restricting scum is a good thing. You scum yourself? | ||
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On June 22 2013 11:16 WaveofShadow wrote: A big wat to this post. Acro, y u good host but bad mafia player? Nobody reads the OP (except me to go check up on this shit). Especially not DI. Hence him mentioning the Alliance specifically means it was either mentioned in his role PM, or it was in the scumQT. Or DI suddenly became a try-hard. Fat chance of that. Given that I don't think that that kinda stuff is particularly likely to be in the OP, I think it was in his role PM. GG. DI is in my town circle. Fuck everybody else. | ||
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On June 22 2013 10:59 kitaman27 wrote: Totally not scum here! ##Lovetap xxSK8rGUy277xx Only way Kita is retarded enough to do this is that he is either in xxx's scumteam or made the lovetap role. Just throwing that out there. Oh, and ##vote Kitaman27 Just because I can. | ||
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On June 22 2013 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote: /tryhard pants ##Vote: Acrofales kita. kita. He scum. Vote fer him. I am appalled at your try-hard pants. What I said about DI is that I doubt that it says the wacko town name in the scumQT and DI is NOT tryhard enough to read the OP. I know I picked up on the town name when I opened my role pm and would not be surprised if DI did too. | ||
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On June 22 2013 11:29 kitaman27 wrote: lol it doesn't limit who the scum can kill. Scum can kill whoever they want, but with your plan, they're not shooting blind. I don't even understand how your plan makes sense. Why can't we server as lie detectors after the claim, without all sharing who we made the role for? They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is). But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role) | ||
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On June 22 2013 11:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: except you did try and give me some and i refused. Also, saying the name you made a role for could ultimately be retarded as someone could have ended up designing their own role. You covering your ass already? | ||
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On June 22 2013 12:13 s0Lstice wrote: do you have a read at all on skaterguy, Acro? Nop. Firmly null. | ||
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On June 22 2013 12:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Fucking skaterman. Now I really wish I could stream. And Steam. Gonna go play Binding of Isaac on my bro's computer. Nobody poison me while I'm gone, k? You still have your tryhard pants on? I'm still not impressed. | ||
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On June 22 2013 12:23 geript wrote: Why you no ask me a question Acro? You know I'm totes amazing scum huntard. Didn't know you were around. If you're such an amazing scum hunturd, then tell me who's scum so I can sheep you. | ||
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On June 22 2013 12:30 geript wrote: Austinmcc Bloody cobbler Crossfire 99 Dandel ion Fail. DI is in my circle of trust. Try again. | ||
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On June 22 2013 12:32 geript wrote: Ddrihpez insteadz yo Ok. Who do we kill first? | ||
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On June 22 2013 13:14 geript wrote: You're tryharding right now. And? | ||
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On June 22 2013 13:40 gonzaw wrote: Someone should just use a day vig or something. Does nobody give someone else a day vig power? You guys are boring So are you... apparently. | ||
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On June 22 2013 14:21 Zephirdd wrote: wtf is happening ill try to make some sense of this tomorrow guys just because we have weird roles doesnt mean we need to play like idiots on another note, caipirinha is really good. You all should try it if you havent. Makes a post to scold the thread for derping around... and simultaneously tells us he's drunk. A valuable contribution indeed. Zephir, are you perhaps scum? In general, I am pretty suspicious of those who have come into the thread and lamented the pitiful state it is in (Kurumi), yet have shown absolutely NO inclination to improve it in any way, shape or form. On the other hand, Xatalos' introduction into the thread seems like it is far overshooting the mark in the other direction. Maybe it's just his way of writing, which I remember from like a year ago in our newbie game got everybody suspicious of him as well, but he seems really concerned with making a good impression. Nevertheless, I had a similar feeling about WoS, so there's that. Also, apparently my vote on Kita should have been in the vote thread, but I guess it's too late for that now. Voting SnB instead, because he's apparently in this game. | ||
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On June 22 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote: Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well. Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power? This doesn't give them any more info, except about who created their power. So yes, if the need arises to fake claim, they will have to shoot that person first. However, it also does the following: 1. If all of mafia have roles that were created by townies, they cannot fake claim their role name (or stuff won't add up at the end of the game) 2. They cannot fake claim their actual role before whoever created their role is dead. An alternative is to claim your actual rolename right now. Fear of the unknown isn't mafia's greatest fear. It's fear of getting caught out as mafia. This helps with that. Also, who knows about the lovetap thing? It could be an actual power, inspired by ##fistbumb from the original PTP, or it could just be sk8r having read the original game and using that to derp around. | ||
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On June 22 2013 21:30 Xatalos wrote: Haha.. Too tryhard for your tastes? I have limited time to post until tomorrow, so gotta make it count.. Why strongandbig? Because Drazerk isn't in the game. Without our common enemy, I reckon I'll just kill him and see what happens. Also, he's probably scum. | ||
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I wrote the role for The Doctor. | ||
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On June 22 2013 22:13 Xatalos wrote: Can't find the ##fistbump role description What did it do? Eh, a bunch of stuff. I think Palmar had it (or he made it). He had to collect ##fistbumps every day from people. He could use them to buy powers like extra votes, vig shots, etc. | ||
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On June 22 2013 22:06 Xatalos wrote: Consider that I'm Mafia and got the role The Doctor. Now I can just shoot you and fakeclaim whatever I want later on. If you didn't reveal, there's no way to fakeclaim until you have died through some other reason. That's the problem. But... fear of dying is just not in a townie mindset AT ALL. Scum HAS KP and WILL be killing people. I prefer they are killing people so they can fakeclaim than bumping off people who actually contribute to the game. | ||
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On June 22 2013 22:02 Xatalos wrote: Point 2 is actually... Partly a negative point. Maybe even mostly. Yes, they can't fakeclaim until they have shot the role creator, but in your plan, it only takes one shot to get 100% access to fakeclaiming that role. If nobody reveals, it's almost impossible for any Mafia to fakeclaim until end/lategame without incredible luck. And point 1 is really a no-point considering that fakeclaiming the name is incredibly easy once the role creator has been shot. Gotta check out ##fistbump now.. It's not a negative point at all. If you think this game will not, at one point, end up in a mass claim situation you clearly haven't played mass themed games before. What this extra information, before claims go flying gives us: 1. It forces mafia to be honest as long (although simply leaving them out of the know would do that too) 2. If someone dies, we know what role is open to a potential fakeclaim 3. If someone flips mafia, then we know the role he made is open to a potential fakeclaim by his mafia buddy. Points 2 and 3 are not available to us without the claim. | ||
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On June 22 2013 23:20 Xatalos wrote: Points 2 and 3 are true, but IMO just not as valuable as making fakeclaiming more risky for Mafia. With reveals, everyone knows which role names are open for fakeclaiming. This helps Mafia significantly more than town. Everyone knows that a certain name is open for fakeclaiming, but it's only a *possibility* for fakeclaiming - there's no way to know if the claim is real or fake. Without reveals, Mafia can never know 100% if it's "safe" to fakeclaim a certain role name. There's always a more than 0% chance of being busted if a cornered Mafia needs to fakeclaim. And now if you're shot, for example, Mafia already have one solid role name to use for fakeclaiming with 0% chance of being caught. Of course it would look suspicious soon after your death, but the situation is vastly different at LYLO. No. They can't claim Doctor, unless they are in fact Doctor. Otherwise someone just counterclaims the name. Of course, if mafia got Doctor (which, btw, I seriously doubt), they are free to claim whatever the hell they want if they kill me. Anyway, back to the game: austin, you have anything to say about anybody who isn't zephir? What do you think of Kurumi's entry into the thread? | ||
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On June 22 2013 23:43 Xatalos wrote: Ugh. This is basically Crossfire99's whole contribution so far (not including his earlier one-liner). And it seems like it'll remain that way for the rest of D1. Not sure if such blatant lurking can even be called scummy, but it's at least definitely anti-town.. He promised contribution on Sunday. It is now Saturday. Also, if Xfire is still as hilariously bad at scum as the last time I played with him, it'll be pretty easy. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:05 strongandbig wrote: Acro you voted me but what do you think of my first post? Y u vote me btw. Voted for you because you're tricksy scum. You used to be easy to catch, but you've upped your game. Your first post picked on a pretty easy target and gave a rather dubious reason for calling him scum (or at least FoS'ing him). | ||
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Is "normal voting rules strict majority? Or is it plurality? | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:21 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: I never said I was a noob. I just don't have the meta advantage that the vets of this forum have. Or disadvantage, I read players based on their posts because I don't have that extra knowledge. So I can't be misled by meta. Voting bc was just to see reactions. Anything you learned and feel like sharing? | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Care to explain exactly what you're talking about in this post? Also sorry about letting my tryhard pants fall off, guys, I forgot to put on a belt and someone pantsed me. In all honestly the reason my posing twas crap then picked up and devolved again is because having never played in this kind of a game before I wasn't exactly sure how seriously people take it and how hard town/scum really try to win (ie do people scumhunt as normal with crazy as fuck roles flying around). It seems as though while there is likely to be more trolling in a game sch as this, people definitely do still want to win; as such I will begin to contribute in earnest. I'm still not sure of you, Acro. Why haven't you commented much on what Xatalos has to say about me aside from you sharing his suspicions? I am arguably his strongest scumread and so I probably warrant discussion, yet you keep bringing conversation into role-claiming/setup speculation type stuff. Because other than what I've said already, I have nothing to say about you. All your posts are filler. Including this one. Whether that's because you're being inept as a townie, or because you're a pretty fail scum? Well, that I'm still figuring out. As for how you play? It's still a mafia game. Both sides still want to win. DI isn't trolling because it's a themed game, he's trolling because he's DI. Now put your try-hard pants back on and talk about someone who you think could be scum. | ||
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On June 23 2013 02:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: First part - My suspicions currently based on posting and defending. I don't know about the Meta, perhaps these players are known for defending other towns. Note I have not changed my vote. Second part - Self explanatory. Whoever wrote my role now knows that they wrote it. If I die, it's because of this and that they flipped mafia. I still have no clue what you're on about with the second part. Presumably the lovetaps are part of your role, and not just random crap you made up to have something to talk about on D1. That's fine. However, I fail to see how this gives you any indication of what alignment the maker of your role was. | ||
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On June 23 2013 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote: How were you forced to reveal your ability exactly? I really don't follow your train of thought. Inept noobie card again Clearly, he has to get people to lovetap him. Or lovetap them, or something. Publicly in the thread. So whoever wrote the role knows that sk8r has the role he wrote. Obviously, the bit about him getting bumped off means whoever made the role is scum, is him having illusions of grandeur. PTP games tend to be full of pretty crazy powerful roles. As for who I have suspicions about? I've mentioned them in my filter. SnB: I expect more from him. WoS: for fumbling over the tryhard pants. Zephirdd: for being angry at people for not posting anything useful while not posting anything useful. Slight pings on my scumdar: Kurumi: for being D1 Kurumi BC: for being D1 BC and coming up with a pretty bogus artificial reason for being against my plan. Xatalos: for seeming insincere in his early tryhard posts. | ||
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On June 23 2013 02:25 strongandbig wrote: You're voting me because I'm harder to catch than I used to be? Okay great. When you say it was "dubious", do you mean that you disagree with my analysis? Because whatshisface just admitted that his bc vote had no real motivation, and I don't buy the "I did it to gauge reactions but I'm not gonna explain what they were or what my analysis is" line, so I'm not feeling too "dubious" here. Yeah. Since when is randomly voting for someone a scumtell? It happens every game and while I don't have statistics I doubt scum do it more than town. Obviously as a pressure vote it was badly done, but I don't see how that makes him scum. Explain your reasoning. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Added the numbers myself: 1 - FoS is meaningless. if you have no reads, say so, and come up with some after you do some real reading of the thread. 2 - Are you serious? 3 - Once again, this has absolutely no alignment indication whatsoever. It doesn't matter what people's opinions of their roles are or whether they are in fact weak or strong---people can act in whatever way they feel like while having those roles. 4 - WIFOM Hey Acro. If I'm noobie town or bad scum, what does that make this guy? BC what did you just do Noob town. But he might just have gotten shot already, so we'll see soon enough. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:27 kitaman27 wrote: FOS Acro for claiming to believe that I'm either scum or the xxx role creator and then proceeding to leave me off his list of suspicions. Makes me question whether or not his reads or real. I also think enough people have shot down his bad role claim idea that he doesn't need to continue pushing it. He is sharing enough opinions though that I don't want to lynch him yet though. Does anyone remember off the top of their head what was the game where tnkted (?) had that role where he had to get people to respond to his ## power in the thread? I had thought it was PTP 1, but apparently not. I don't like skater or WoS lynches right now. ##Vote Austin I think austin would be a good person to consider right now. He commented on a role plan that had already been beaten to death and that's about it. Oh, I remembered that when I was asked, but honestly poking you to see how you responded and you not taking the bait didn't really enter onto my scumdar. Now let me read up on the shitstorm that suddenly happened. | ||
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On June 23 2013 04:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The role is not jack the ripper and no one can confirm my role, because I got my own role. While BC is wiley enough to plan this, I believe him. He was clearly foreshadowing this with his objection to my plan. So he made himself a dayvig. The question is still whether he is scum or town, but I don't think we should lynch him regardless of what sk8r flips. I don't think BC has been acting particularly scummy, although so far he has only been going batshit insane tunnelmode on that sk8r guy. It just feels like the start of Personality 2, and I think this is more BC losing his temper than BC making a calculated scumplay to vig shot some noobie who does not feel like much of a threat. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:00 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: As I have said, my intent was to get shot at night. I didn't anticipate BC actually killing me during the day. We will see how things go. :D Not that this matters much, but I will never EVER understand this play. While there is nothing wrong with a VT getting shot at night, the way to do is not to claim you're a blue, which is more likely to get you lynched than shot, it is to put scum under pressure with good play, so they feel threatened by you. This is the second time in a game where someone comes from another forum with completely illogical D1 play with the "intention of drawing a shot on N1".. and ends up creating a shitstorm and getting town all batshit crazy. WHY?!!! /rant off | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah I don't buy it. I've seen BC lose his temper. BC knows that people have seen him lose his temper. Can you link me something from Personality 2 (apparently an infamous game that nobody likes to talk about) that indicates why you think this more likely town BC? Kurumi trolled D1 and acted as if he was Chezinu. WBG was actually Chezinu. It all got up to a somewhat heated discussion and yamato shot Kurumi in the face. It didn't really solve anything and WBG got lynched D1 (and was in fact Chezinu, a 3P survivor). BC was in that game and knows what happened. So is he scum trying to create a similar situation (it is worth mentioning that yamato was considered town for it)? Or is he town? I still lean towards the latter, but I haven't had a lot of experience with scum BC. Kita? What do you make of it? | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:50 Dandel Ion wrote: hosts totally afk the shot is real guys Posted 1 minute after the vote count. GG. Shot probably fake, or failed for some other reason. Which is weird, because both BC and sk8r seem convinced it had no reason to fail. Sk8r! Are you bulletproof? | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't like this post, kita. You worry me. You don't consider the fact at all that he did this knowing that one of his scumteam created the role or something? The real reasoning behind what BC did with the little information we got is very easy to obfuscate and you only consider the towny implications. And as someone just mentioned, how do you know he didn't have to post what he did about jack the ripper in the thread? BC's most recent post regarding Palmar has placated me somewhat because if anyone is capable of this kind of play I'd believe it to be BC; it's the timing of the shot that just really bothers me. The 'shoot first, ask questions later' is not in anyway indicative of a towny mindset no matter how angry you are. There are many things BC could have done that I've argued would have been more effective, especially if it means wasting a vig shot on a towny that could have been effective later on. Except that BC is exactly the kind of person who would shoot first and ask questions later. I was all up in Adam's face in Duel mafia and even accused him of being 3P for most of the game because I thought he wasn't the shoot first, ask questions later kinda guy. Turned out he was. As town. As for him not being afraid of the role creator: well duh. He claims he created the role himself. And that part I absolutely believe. | ||
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Because of all the arguments you could make against my plan, BC came up with a very oddball one... unless he did actually create his own role. Are you actually reading the thread? I posted that exact same reasoning about 30 minutes ago... | ||
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If he is scum, then a townie with a town read on sk8er was quick on the trigger. In this case, it almost HAS to be a post-hoc roleblock, because I don't see a townie bothering to roleblock when all BC was doing was talking about deliberating about shooting. If he is town, then there's the added possibility that sk8er is scum and has a scumbuddy who can daytime (post-hoc?) roleblock. In this case it could have been a quick roleblock before he actually shot. Did anybody design a role that could have done a post-hoc roleblock? If not, I think we should lynch sk8er. | ||
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Either he truly thought it was fake (possible) or he was anticipating it failing due to either his own ability (which he has denied), or a scumbuddy's ability. I'll make more sense of this later, but whereas I was pretty confident he was noobie town before the shot failed, I am now far from sure. | ||
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On June 23 2013 08:12 gonzaw wrote: Well, I haven't read the shot (whatever happened) thing, but here's my rundown on XXX so far: He's new to TL. He said he isn't new to mafia though, so we shouldn't just assume he's a noob If he was scum this would be a perfect opportunity to play some mild noob cards though. More subtle noob cards of course, maybe like what WoS is doing (apologize to the slightest of pressure, act like you dont' really know what to do, etc). So, he's not doing that, so let's just ignore that. What he IS doing is act confident, active, and just interact with people and seem sure of himself. I don't see him posting with hesitation and stuff. It's true he has no "meta" because he hasn't played in TL before, so I can't really say 100% if this makes him town or not (maybe he acts like this as scum all the time in other forums), but EXACTLY that leaves to a different conclusion: XXX has no "meta" on us either. So, XXX has no meta knowledge of us, he doesn't know us. With that in mind, would he act like this as his 1st scum game in TL (which is also his 1st game in TL as well)? Would he be this "reckless" in that sense? He doesn't know any of us so he doesn't know what to expect, he wouldn't know how we'll react, etc. If he was scum I think he'd be more cautious because of this fact, and when I read his posts "cautious" is the last thing I think of. My 2 cents... That was my reasoning too before the shot. | ||
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I don't think we should lynch BC. Whether you think the shot was smart or dumb, I don't see much scum motivation for drawing all this attention just to kill a newbie. Even if his shot is a public shot (which I don't know), I feel he could have waited and by playing his cards right, take out a higher value target later. Which makes him town throwing a derp. geript could be scum. He started all trolly, then promised to put on his tryhard pants and actually read the thread. Umpteen hours later he has still done nothing, except post a number of filler posts and ask some questions. He is not contributing at all. Not a bad lynch. still not comfortable with WoS, but I am more confident that I can get a better read on him later on. I won't really consider him a priority right now. SnB has done nothing all game, except have a pretty shoddy case on sk8er. Good lynch, because a lurking, useless SnB is a scum SnB. Xfire: afk. Not much else to say about him atm. I am confident in my ability to read him, though. Kita: underperforming. But his post on BC echoed my thoughts before I had posted them, so he could just be busy or not caring. This happens with Kita. austin: focused on Zephir. Not necessarily a bad thing, but has done absolutely nothing else. Pretty null, which is troubling for someone who is good at looking very townie. Might consider lynching if he continues doing nothing tomorrow. DI: being needlessly aggressive and irritating. I associate this with townies (sometimes wrongfully, like Mocsta) and have never played a scumgame with DI. There's also the whole "Alliance" thing, which is good enough for a D1 read. Don't lynch. sk8er: still wondering. Need more actual content, rather than large amounts of filler posts. Hopefully roleclaims will clear this mess up. Everybody else: not a priority or town read. | ||
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On June 23 2013 08:33 s0Lstice wrote: lol this should be good. Acro...skater was the target of the shot, time is going to dilate for him while waiting for a mod post, hence he'll be the one to decide its fake first. There was literally only 20 minutes between the shot and sk8er assuming that it was fake, though. That is some very unrealistic expectations of a host (given that neither had shown signs of being here for hours before that point). | ||
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On June 23 2013 08:54 gonzaw wrote: Before I make a case on him please post thoughts on solstice. ...well I still have to finish reading the thread so I may back out (page 22 so far), but thoughts on people are always welcomed I think s0lstice is probable town. He is contributing sensibly to the thread with things that agree with my own way of reading the thread. Of course, being sensible is not an automatic town tell, but I don't see anything that screams scum at me. | ||
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On June 23 2013 09:12 s0Lstice wrote: someone tell me why this is impossible use your imagination guys. we know so little about what roles are in the game right now. Skater- I think you are both probably town. I've said my reasoning on you before. As for BC, as this went on, the more clear it became that he really believes you are contributing to an anti-town atmosphere. I don't agree with the action, but the intent looks pure to me. A vig removing a person he views as hurtful to town is not a bad shot as far as that vig is concerned. It's not impossible, but it'd be nice if someone claimed they made a role which does something capable of stopping a dayvig, rather than random postulation of roles that *can* stop a dayvig. | ||
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On June 23 2013 09:11 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: I had only two choices either assume it's fake or die or maybe...##Lovetap Acrofales ? Or, you could have used the time you spent assuming it was fake to give reads (like I asked you to). So that in case you flipped, there was at least something useful in your filter. In particular an updated read on BC, which never really came. | ||
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On June 23 2013 09:37 gonzaw wrote: The only way this would make sense is if: Sk8 is scum A scum created role X that can RB at day Another scum received that role That scum used it on Sk8 to save him It assumes that Sk8 is scum, the receiver of said role is scum, and the creator of said role is scum. That's too much coincidence. If the creator of said role is town, he'll just claim "I made this role and it exists!" and we'll know it exists, and it'll force the RBer to claim (if he doesn't RBer is scum) If the receiver of said role is town, he'll claim the RB (it's not like it "outs" him or anything, just say "I Rbed him") if Sk8 is town....well yeah lynching him is bad. Huh? You're not making any sense. The creator of the role doesn't have to be scum at all. All we'll know is that the role exists, not who has it (although we'll know the role name). We already know that either the role exists, or BC is lying. And we have some circumstantial evidence from Sent that seems to indicate that there were multiple actions happening, so it seems likely SOMETHING was going on. So, seeing as the roleblocker hasn't claimed yet, I see no reason why his role being outed would feel the need to claim. However, if the roleblock doesn't work post-hoc, I think it's pretty clear evidence that the roleblocker was scum (because why would a townie preemptively roleblock BC?) That means that other than the roleblocker, sk8er would also be scum. | ||
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I spent 6 hours getting drunk and thee is olny one page of new posts... and only BC and gonzaw wronte walls of test. Theyr're confirmed town imho. Rest. All scum. G'nigt | ||
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On June 24 2013 01:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Dropping my vote on BC for today because he will not be getting lynched today and I don't want to vote split. ##Unvote ##Vote Zephirdd Wait... what?! So tell me why Zephir is scum. According to you, not according to those other guys voting for him. Also, I'm catching up on the thread now. I hope I can make an informed decision in the next hour or so, because I have to go out and don't know whether I'll be back for the deadline. | ||
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However, austin is making my scumdar ping like a maniac with his behaviour towards zephir. At the start of the game, he seemed concerned about exactly one thing: figuring out zephir. + Show Spoiler [austin's preoccupation with zephir] + On June 22 2013 07:32 austinmcc wrote: Or maybe I DO have that power and you're immune to it. My read on Zephirdd is that he managed to win PTP3 for his team by being a jerky mafia face. I don't like that, but tbh I don't remember him doing anything super duper mafia-y. Gonna be trying to get info out of him early, because he was able to blend in late game once everyone was lazified and didn't care.[/QUOTE That is 100% of his early posts with actual content (meaning, not trolling). While at the time I didn't really mind it too much, because trying to really figure out 1 person who you are afraid of, if scum, is a fairly okay way to start D1, lets see how this desire to figure him out progresses. Then gonzaw makes the comment. I don't think it should even be called a case, because gonzaw doesn't even push zephir, his main focus is s0lstice (who I will look into next), and austinmcc practically leaps at it: [QUOTE]On June 23 2013 23:55 austinmcc wrote: In stuff people may care about - gonzaw, everyone <3s you and so I focused on your reads. I honestly like the zephirdd read. Okay... But it feels more like he likes it because it is an easy setup for him to get on a rolling wagon where he won't be suspicious than anything else. Lets look at the case: [quote] In pokePTP, he won the game for scum by just surviving, didn't catch a lot of attention. I didn't like losing that game, and had planned on trying to keep some focus on him in this game to make sure it didn't happen. My early questions weren't great, but it was both (1) a way to get a little information out of him and (2) an important viewpoint to get when considering claims and whatnot. For all the arguing in this thread about who liked the idea of roleclaiming or not, whether it was good for scum or not, we have people who were scum in PTP games here, can ask them directly whether roleclaiming was something scum was worried about. Who cares whether we think it might be good or bad, we can directly ask someone who was scum whether roleclaiming made his team worried or not. His answers were slightly shifty, in that I was hoping for something more firm but got nothing firm at all[quote]If I could offer some advice, don't trust any claim - no matter how townie it sounds like.[/quote][quote]I really don't remember much actually, it was a long time ago. I was afk a lot on that game too(I forgot to send many stuff to hosts).. but you can get an idea of that on the scum qt. I do think we were worried about roles a lot actually, I was worried about Charmander(which was my creation) particularly, but he ended up killing himself with Drazerk bus-driving him iirc.[/quote]I missed my window to really poke at this, but don't like how, for the most part, he passes the buck instead of making the "I was scum in a PTP game, was this situation something scum wanted to happen" --> "I am in another PTP game, this situation is something scum would/wouldn't want to happen here" jump. [/quote] What a load of crock. This is not indicative of alignment at all. [quote] Beyond that, he's focused on DI, but...seems like most of the people referencing DI mention the alliance post. Zephir doesn't. Using the term "alliance" doesn't make DI town or scum, but it's a piece of his filter that has stood out to people as they read DI. Minor concern that zephir, who appears more focused on DI than anyone else, doesn't mention it. Instead, what he does mention is...bland[QUOTE]On June 23 2013 17:46 Zephirdd wrote: Dandel's posting has been so... fucking stupid. Goes from the 75/25% mafia/town ratio(which is stupid) to calling BC a claimed SK to calling him a troll to saying his previous post is not what it actually is(semantics) etc... It's really stupid. But then, post "zephirdd not putting effort into his reads"(which he is right; I'm not) he makes some half-decent points about geript. Geript's points are not anti-town though. He is asking legit questions, pushing possible contradictions. DI feels like he is trying to discredit/shut down possible questions that could corner someone. My mind keeps flipfloping on Dandelion, and I keep going back(in my own restricted mind) to austin who has been gone for a while. Dandelion, please do post your thoughts on austinmcc and maybe post his reasoning towards asking the questions he did towards me. Anyone else is free to do the same, but I'm extra interested in DI.[/QUOTE]DI's posting is stupid/really stupid/fucking stupid. He's trying to shut down questions. But at the same time Zephir says DI is making decent points about himself/geript. For all the focus that zephir's posts put on DI, there's never really a ... summation of thoughts. He notes that his read on DI wavers, but his vote doesn't, and his focus doesn't, and there's just no followup on his wavering. ##vote: Zephirdd[/QUOTE] I agree that zephir's case on DI is not very strong, but it doesn't feel forced. This, however, feels forced. Austin gives no impression of trying to figure Zephir out, just paint him as scum. And that is all that austin has done. This from a guy who generally has pretty insightful reads. I am not impressed at all... and the zephir wagon smells even fishier because of it. | ||
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On June 24 2013 01:56 Dandel Ion wrote: over s0l? yes. But there are still like 5 people I'd rather lynch over zeph, s0l is not one of them tho. At this point, I just don't want no no-lynch. 5 people are not even voting, about as many throw away their votes on randoms. what's a brother to do. Vote for SnB. Lurking SnB is scum SnB. | ||
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On June 24 2013 01:59 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: The day is almost over and the only two trains that are possible are Dandel and Zephird. Why are you so surprised that I would vote him? 1. With almost over you mean we have another 4 hours or so? 2. Because you haven't even MENTIONED Zephir before. Actually, SnB can wait for another day. Sk8er is trying to kill Zephir without even bothering to figure out whether he's scum or town, hence sk8er is scum. ##vote sk8er | ||
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On June 24 2013 02:02 Dandel Ion wrote: that however is not a decently good lynch Explain to me why sk8er is town. | ||
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On June 24 2013 02:04 s0Lstice wrote: After that big post I'd think Austin would be a good pivot for you Acro. What are you doing? I'm waiting for him to reply, because he seems to be around (at least somewhat) and I am not completely convinced he's scum, but well on my way there. SnB is based on meta. sk8er is based on him not giving a shit about who he lynches, as long as someone dies. | ||
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On June 24 2013 02:14 WaveofShadow wrote: This post of solstice's is what confirmed him as scum to me. Look back at Les Mafia, tell me when solstice was ever this needlessly belligerent. Quoting a post of Xatalos to say s0lstice is scum. Herp? Derp. | ||
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On June 24 2013 02:15 Dandel Ion wrote: look at the votecount. We SHOULD be giving a shit about getting a lynch atm. Who is almost secondary atm. But you may also keep wasting your vote if you don't give a shit about the lynch. I know you always play like this, and it is pointless to try and convince you otherwise, especially as I won't even be around for the deadline, so I can't even push a proper counterwagon, but we should be trying to lynch scum, not just randomly lynch SOMEONE. Especially as I don't even have a clear scumread on the guy who is currently vote leader (which does not really mean anything until he has a majority). Filtering sk8er again, but by memory, his play boils down to this: 1. Aggressive and trolly start. Unexpected if scum, for being new to the forum. So townie points. 2. Strange reaction to the shot, and didn't actually do anything with it. Not giving out reads, not figuring out what BC's alignment is. 3. Doesn't care where he votes. Point 1 simply doesn't hold up in the face of 2 and 3. Lets kill him. | ||
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On June 23 2013 03:06 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: It's only 1 vote, and yes but I am not sure enough of Snb to put him at 2 votes, yet. This was the first post that I marked as odd. It was really early in the game. Sk8er didn't want to put SnB at a whopping 2 votes, despite seemingly agreeing that SnB was scum (and he had SnB in his 3man scumteam with BC and WoS). Late in the day, when votes start to mean something, he is COMPLETELY okay casting a vote on Zephirdd, who he hasn't even mentioned once in his entire filter up to that point. Does he think Zephir is scum? Who knows. He just randomly voted. Verdict: scum Item 2: a "fight" with BC On June 23 2013 03:45 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: You are my scum read, which I have committed to pushing. Making a day 1 list of who I think is scummy is not scummy. Of course i'm not going to push them, because really they are just lists. If you want to be technical, yes I was not serious when I said 100%. It's day 1, you should assume that I was not 100% sure. Defending and discrediting me so hard on day one however, is scummy. Hearing that you died d1 your past few PTP's makes me feel bad. I might consider doing a pity unvote. So sk8er was pretty hard on BC's case. While the initial pressure vote was useless, in the discussion with BC he doesn't seem to want to back down, but he never actually acts as if he thinks BC is scum. He just throws out percentages and then argues about them. Then BC gets into it and starts questioning this. In this post he suddenly becomes placating. Note he still hasn't actually given a reason for calling BC scum, he's just "committed to his D1 read". But simultaneously he feels sorry and might unvote. While this seems like a pretty inoccuous townie creating conversation, it could just as well be scum. This is not indicative of alignment, despite what I thought earlier: Verdict: neutral Item 3: the shot My time's up, so I'll be short: he doesn't try to get any useful information out there before the mod comes in to kill him. Rather he buggers around calling the shot fake, without even concluding anything from that assumption. Even his strong scumread, BC: On June 23 2013 04:52 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Well since I am thinking it's faked to try and get me to reveal more.....I will not be revealing any information. Honestly my reads are not good because it's day 1, killing me because of a poor fos on you is very strange. I would not have been able to get you lynched anyways. Now there is something that can actually be used as evidence. He just calls it strange and gives no indication of trying to figure it out. On June 23 2013 06:03 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Nope. I most certainly am not. I was going to go cry of getting killed day 1 in my first TL Mafia game. But apparently, BC trolls the trolls with fake day vigi claims. Ok so BC has - Claimed to be vigi Claimed to write his own role, aka vigi Lied about shooting me, to either pressure me into revealing information or something. I was convinced it was real up until now. I have no meta reasoning. People say this makes me illogical when really I need to do plays like this to gain information on them. I'm not going to read through all your past games to get an idea of the Meta. I voted him for no reason, true. He then tunneled me hard and then tried to day shoot me. His reasonings were that I were being anti-town for not revealing reads on a troll post I made. So grats, you forced me to hint at my role. Except now you revealed that you are lying about your role. I am not bulletproof in any way. Still no judgement. Just aggrieved QQ about being shot. Oh, and BC is a troll. His tone changes very radically, but he still doesn't make a concerted effort to scumhunt. Verdict: scum And, because I am heading out, I am putting my secret vote on him as well. Yes, I have a secret vote. And no, I see no point in keeping that secret. | ||
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On June 24 2013 02:35 austinmcc wrote: Phone when I can check it. Acro, based on comments, skater's role means he wouldn't have died even if bc didn't get blocked. I don't think you can expect the normal infodump IF he actually survives a shot and WANTED to get shot. While I don't think skater set himself up to get shot at night, I believe he was trying to. Weird thing to claim, probably true, and hopefully explains the change in behavior. I also don't read his voteswap as scummy. I'd prefer there be some more reasoning, any original thoughts, but it was so blatant, when I'd expect scum to try and justify. Sk8er said he WOULD die. | ||
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Also. NOOOOO Why would you kill The Doctor?! I made an amazingly awesome role for him and now he doesn't get to use it. I have a new mission: kill whoever killed s0lstice. | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:15 Dandel Ion wrote: So how y'all feeling about switching to snb? Instead of no-lynching, we might as well save us the vig shot. I would have felt damned good about this at the time. Shame you didn't do it. | ||
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On June 24 2013 08:22 Dandel Ion wrote: The role doesn't even sound that good, certainly nothing to be mad over. Although I guess you could just go one-shot poisoner instead, so it kinda works. Who cares if it's good or not. It was FUN. | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:51 gonzaw wrote: So that's why Acro didn't want him lynched then? Hmm, let's see what Acro said, I think he said "I doubt The Doctor is scum". Did Acro post stuff specifically about solstice? I had absolutely no idea that s0lstice was the doctor. But... yeah, I would have campained harder against him being lynched with that info. The role is not too powerful for town, but would be ridiculous in scum hands. | ||
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On June 24 2013 08:26 gonzaw wrote: Acro do you still want to kill sk8? No. The bit he revealed about how his role worked was still kinda iffy, but Xfire confirming how it works and BC not actually claiming roleblocked come together to take a lot of the oomph out of my case. I wouldn't say he's 100% town, but I am leaning that way now. Either that, or scum sk8r+xfire are making a giant play... and that would not jibe well with what I know about xfire at all. | ||
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On June 24 2013 08:45 Dandel Ion wrote: So if you knew he had the role that was meh for town but super good for scum you would have tried to get him not lynched just based on that? makes sense brah. Can't argue with balance. | ||
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MZ comes out looking pretty terrible. His post after the vote feels like fake frustration. I also get the feeling he was around and capable of hammering, but just chose not to. Scum profits most from a no-lynch at this point (and moreso still if austin is scum) Kurumi could also have hammered and didn't. This would make sense if he had proclaimed a strong town read on austin, but he hadn't. In fact, he seems to be in agreement with Xata that austin is not acting like his usual townie self. Shot up about a billion years in the scumomenter. I now want him dead. No clue about geript. I'm inclined to go with the too dumb to be scum defense, but it's pretty dodgy. | ||
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Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er. Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too. | ||
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Anyway, lets kill Xatalos. Will make a case, but it basically boils down to him not taking a stance on ANYTHING and circumventing every issue with lots of waffle. I had my suspicions of his thread entry, then he lulled me into a false sense of security with his later day posting, and now it just came roaring back with this string of gems: On June 24 2013 18:24 Xatalos wrote: I agree that I've never seen you this absent before. That's not all though. I associate a heavy townish atmosphere with your name (from earlier memories), and I haven't got such a feeling from any of your posts so far. I don't think you were all that active before either, but you looked townish (analytical/helpful/insightful) with your posts. Where's that in this game? Please start playing like town if you actually ARE town. Otherwise your life expectancy isn't looking too good. Translation: I want to call you scum, but don't really want to, but you normally look townie but aren't this time, although you did look townie earlier. So you might die. HUH? If Xata is town, I see absolutely no reason to post this "stream of consciousness". Make up your mind, THEN post. This just feels like a non-post from scum where it seems he's actively contributing with his thought process, but really isn't. This verbal diarrhoea makes me feel slightly better about austin, btw. Next: On June 24 2013 19:54 Xatalos wrote: LOL hahahaha... Good point.. Maybe I should reconsider my townread on BC after all. This heavy bias and inconsistent attitudes towards players sadly doesn't radiate townishness Being AFK for the pre-lynch hour(s) doesn't make me feel any better either. BC town -> null. If I use big words nobody will notice that I am waffling nonsense!!! More stream-of-conscience stuff, but this time with a high dose of stupid. BC isn't contradicting himself here, although DI is an amusing troll. BC is angry at people thinking that having some role means something alignment wise. He says that the WAY austin is USING his role is townie. I disagree, but BC isn't contradicting himself, and if Xata was actually thinking at the same level as he is being verbose, he would realize this. Instead, it's a scum grabbing a cheap opportunity to discredit BC (who is probably town). Onwards and upwards! On June 24 2013 20:11 Xatalos wrote: That's a pretty happy tone in your post after mislynch, isn't it..? Well, however that may be, more importantly could you share your top scumreads sooner rather than later? You jumped on s0Lstice so easily (basically with only a meta-reason which didn't appear until AFTER you had already voted....) so right now you appear scummier than before I switched from you to s0Lstice. There are still few townish posts in your filter that make me reconsider, but it's not too hard for scum to do towny things once in a while. So do you have anything original, genuine that you want to push tomorrow? Or is it going to be filler posts -> join some bandwagon again? We didn't mislynch. We no lynched, and s0lstice got shot by you or your cohorts. But that aside. LOOK AT THE BOLDED PART! Xata has been pretty damned inconsistent about WoS, but he seems to have a scumread on him from the start of D1 (and never actually bothers to try and push him, but that aside). Now what do you do to potential scum? You pressure them, you push them. You poke them, and you prod them. Unless, of course, you're scum yourself. Then you ask if they would please oblige you by maybe posting their reads? But not in any hurry, mind you. Also, great example of the pot calling the kettle black, with regards to shoddy reasons for jumping on the s0lstice case. In closing: lets kill Xatalos | ||
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On June 24 2013 23:33 kitaman27 wrote: Also, if the mafia team thinks they want to play any tricks with a scum Strax, I'm quite certain that I'm aware of his identity so I'll be revealing his name before the night post in case he decides not to give me safety tonight. I'll comment on yesterday's lynch in a bit. You're not getting a TARDIS from me. | ||
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On June 22 2013 11:06 kitaman27 wrote: Or the scum can pick off the players that created their roles and they are free to use it as they wish or modify it with a fake claim. That's silly. Kitaman wrote (paraphrased): I MADE STRAX'S ROLE ROFLCOPTER Not that I have much of a read on Kita either way. Just pointing this out because it made me lol. | ||
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Did you actually look at Xata's filter? Other than the fact that he is moderately active, what about him makes you think he looks townie? | ||
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Let me put it this way: I can see why he wasn't lynched in Dessert, and it's largely because he is not doing anything dumb like posting waffly crap about how Kurumi is 100% town or 100% scum (like he did in this game). | ||
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On June 25 2013 02:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Still pressuring me. Did someone write an Executioner role that can also day vig? My self defense power does not roleblock you or return your bullet which is why I think you are lying or someone else saved me. Just so everyone knows, I am Sally Sparrow, town aligned, and used my ability during the day. I will be using my ability AGAIN tonight. Dovie'andi se tovya sagain What the hell does wheel of time quotes have to do with your role? If nothing, then why the hell are you being so confusing. | ||
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On June 25 2013 02:42 Xatalos wrote: What... That was really fast. Care to explain how I went from clear scum to townish in a matter of 30min or something? Apparently you read through my previous games. Why did you do that AFTER making your case, not before you met resistance in the form of DI and myself? Sadly it looks like justification to abandon the failed bandwagon... Meaning you appear in a more scummy light based on these recent posts. Also, what exactly about my defense "averted the crisis" (excluding you checking up my posting history)? This is just a very strange chain of events and I want to hear your reasoning. Ugh, I hope I don't have to drop you as well from my townreads.. Because my automatic go-to isn't meta. It's a lot of work and I'm a busy man. Your defense was fine. I didn't actually use much of it, but it didn't seem particularly panicked and explained your thought process a bit better. Combine that with what DI pointed out and me checking up on your meta, I decided you are not really the scummiest guy in the thread. You (probably) just have an unfortunate posting style that makes me raaaage. | ||
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@Xatalos: what was the point of those questions? An exploration in self-analysis? If it is somehow going to help you scumhunt I'll answer, but it seems more postgame oriented than of any use right now. | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:42 austinmcc wrote: THIS POST GOT WAY TOO BIG AND IT MIGHT BE CONFUSING TOWARDS THE END acro, this is some butt right here. For one, Maybe that was unclear, but no context meant I was just re-filtering and not going through to really dig into when votes came in, when he posted, where votes moved. Look guys! I'll throw out a test balloon, and when it hilariously backfires and someone calls me scum, I will backpedal as fast as I can. Additionally, now that you have exhaustively gone through the context, you're still wrong. Whether they were "sheep votes" or not, it is completely clear that Xfire killed the momentum in that lynch. Half of my case was based on the fact that sk8er reacted in a non-townlike manner to expecting to die. sk8er himself then claimed (a little bit) how his role worked, which isn't enough because who knows whether he's telling the truth. Xfire confirmed that it was either the truth or they're both lying scum (highly unlikely). So the very fact that his role prevented him from dying debunked most of my case. And when I read the thread upon returning from the park (not sleeping, you derps), I wondered why sk8er hadn't been lynched, and that was the exact moment in the thread where I thought "yeah, I wouldn't lynch sk8er anymore at this point". So... you wrote ALL of that to call me BAD? Or are you calling Xfire scum? Or what exactly are you doing? I know I'd be happy with your head on a stake tomorrow. | ||
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On June 25 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote: I guess it boils down to this: why were you so, not necessarily wishy-washy, but unnoticeable for the whole of D1? I'll be returning to this later, most likely, but I want to hear your reasoning/explanation now. For future reference. If you happen to be scum, it's nice to have something to "hold" you onto. If you're town, your thought patterns should stay consistent and thus there's nothing to worry about. (Btw you should read that case, it's much better explained than my confusing ramblings. And I'd like your first impression of it as well, please.) I wouldn't say I was. Self-analysis is pretty useless, though, as everybody is the most awesomest mafia player in their own mind. I think all of this stems from the fact that I wasn't around for the 2 or 3 hours before the deadline, which I can explain by being in the park. I know sunlight is scary to some TL folks, but you should try it sometime. | ||
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On June 25 2013 05:07 Xatalos wrote: That's... Well, something less than I expected. Considering that I'm not the only one who said that so far, shouldn't you rather look in the mirror than deny/dodge? And go read that case asap as well. If you're town I want your opinion before deadline hits, just in case. Instead of reading the case, I read all of WoS filter, first. Because I like to have an opinion ready BEFORE reading the case. What I come out of that with myself is that WoS is somewhat dodgy, but far from a strong scum read. The worst part about WoS is him having absolutely no real reason to jump on s0lstice. In fact, his whole reason was Xatalos' antagonistic post which he misread as coming from s0lstice (as far as I can figure that out). Other than that, I have no problems with it, and the reason I stepped off the "WoS is scum" warpath during D1 still applies: he was critically trying to figure stuff out during the whole shot stuff. Now let me go and read the case. | ||
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Well, either that, or I read that post wrong at the time and in the reread I just did. So then his case is based upon the giant shift in viewpoint that WoS suddenly defends sk8er... while WoS never had a scumread on sk8er. He was somewhat dubious about sk8er's posting, but I never got the impression he thought sk8er was scum, and at the time I also had the feeling that he was at about the same wavelength as I was in my thoughts about sk8er. | ||
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It's a very looong case, but based on a number of false assumptions / misreads. However, they don't really seem intentional and the case isn't forced. So... MZ goes town a bit on the scumometer, but he's still floating around the top of the pond. | ||
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On June 25 2013 05:55 Zephirdd wrote: by the way I havent read shit most of today, I think I asked a question to xatalos and I'll go back to that I shot WoS Why WoS? | ||
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On July 01 2013 07:45 gonzaw wrote: YES! BRAZIL!!!!! 2-0 against Spain Take that pretty boys | ||
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On July 03 2013 06:08 kitaman27 wrote: I'm shooting both of you at any possible opportunity in any future game from now on. Bwahahahahahahahaha, you're dead. I mean... | ||
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Austin town and scum MVP! | ||
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Town threw this game pretty badly Endgame was fun, though :D | ||
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decon said in obs QT that roleblocks weren't notified. So essentially, it was xfire who had the wrong info, didn't check it properly, and you all piled onto Xata, who was playing quite okay when you got through the elaborate waffly way of talking.. which if you had even bothered to look at my filter, you would have noticed is part of his town meta, despite me going all raaaage at him over it. | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:35 gonzaw wrote: Xfire specifically said a host gave him a PM saying RBs are notified. Xata specifically said no host gave him a PM saying he was RBed. Logically one of them is 100% lying, those are logical contradictions. If you figure out Xfire is telling the truth then Xata is lying scum by derivation Well....or they should be.... Why the fuck would scum be dumb enough to lie about something as obvious as this. HE LIED HE'S SCUM is soooo fucking stupid. What you conclude from this, as you do in ALL complicated themed games is that somewhere along the line the mods got their stuff confused. For instance, go and look at how much shit hapa and prom had to deal with in Chrono Trigger for mod errors. It happens every complicated game. | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:37 gonzaw wrote: *sigh* Yeah I shouldn't put the blame on bad hosting, I know. Sorry guys No, you shouldn't. The hosting was fine. Mistakes happen. Which reminds me, thanks decon and sentinel! | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:38 gonzaw wrote: RBs aren't complicated How many games have you hosted? I can get confused in a NORMAL game, when I have to send a DT check, a roleblock notification, and 1 or 2 death PMs. I always get paranoid and doublecheck everything 5 times. This game had every single person performing an action which included bus driving, role blocking, vote stealing, inventing, tardis gifting and god knows what else. | ||
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On July 03 2013 09:44 gonzaw wrote: Anyways Acro, you don't need to make me feel bad about the game, I already do It wasn't aimed at you. I know you put your heart into this game <3 It was just my raging in obs QT | ||
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I don't. Kita did play well, though. But I knew he took out s0lstice the second he claimed that survivor bullcrap (although to be fair, MZ might already have been in the obsQT hollering that scum hadn't done that shot... don't remember in what order that happened) and wanted him DED. EDIT: actually I told Kita this a few times in PM already that I wanted him dead :D | ||
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On July 03 2013 10:33 gonzaw wrote: I have to give a shout out to Kurumi, for being such a bro and making me inventor. Definitely best part of the game by far. Too bad BC didn't use the cool shit I put in it! (it has 3 cool as shit abilities and 1 day vig). What was the invention? | ||
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It also relies on decon and sentinel knowing propositional logic! :D | ||
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Y is scum then 1+1=3 (only true if Y isn't scum. no way of formatting this positively) Z is scum OR 1+1=3 (only true if Z is scum) W is scum iff 1+1=2 (only true if W is scum) You can use this on 4 different people, or you can use it as follows: X is scum and 1+1=2 (only true if X is scum) nobody is scum then 1+1=2 (always true, ggnore) X is scum OR 1+1=3 (only true if X is scum) Y is scum iff 1+1=2 (only true if Y is scum) 100% reliable 2man DT check: if all 4 are true, then both X and Y are scum. If 3 are true, then X is scum and Y is town, if 2 are true, then Y is scum and X is town and if only 1 is true they're both town. I think that's the best you can get. | ||
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On July 03 2013 11:15 gonzaw wrote: Also Acro you aren't forced to make the 5 propositions EXACTLY in that order ("if-then", then "and", then "or", then "iff", etc). You can use any of them if you want. You could use 5 ANDS if you wanted, or whatever suits you So what is allowed as "other stuff"? As for string theory being true and getting rich: when Nature accepts deconduo's word as the gospel truth, maybe... but last time I checked the scientific method it is explicitly set up to avoid people (or books) stating unequivocally that something is true without any actual evidence 1+1=2 was simply a replacement for a proposition that is true. I'd be perfectly happy to replace that with "Acrofales was alive on day 1" or some equally trivially true statement about the game | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:10 gonzaw wrote: Also, it's even easier than that. You could do this if you want: "austin is scum AND (gonzaw is town OR (NOT gonzaw is town))" You get the same equivalent formula "austin is scum", no need to say "Acro was alive in D1" or stuff like that. That's why the same method has to apply to sub-formulas as well Oh, if you could nest propositions deeper then you could probably set it up so complex that the number could confirm 5 DT checks... but don't ask me how to set it up right now | ||
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On July 04 2013 00:41 austinmcc wrote: I ended up hating the first part of my role. Every time I've made a PTP role, I'm thinking of something fun from a town side of things, not really one that's great for everyone. I figured someone would get the role, send out messages, give away something pro-town (with the option for roleblocker if mafia got it), and then over the course of 2-3 days amass a bunch of info about who chose what, be able to release it and maybe do something good. In mafia's hands, especially with only 3 of us and getting outed early, it was "Force yourself to give town powers." I send out PMs, have to claim the PMs eventually, and then it becomes horribly obvious that I've been gifting powers to mafia if I ever do. I can't even fake anything, because I'd have to fakeclaim both a fake target of my role-gifting AND lie about someone choosing that person AND have that person on the list anyway, because the second person-chooser would know if they weren't. I could have maybe given us a vig somewhere, but it would have come out later. Stupid role just couldn't be NOT pro town, the best I could do was give vet or hope people mediced the targets I thought they would. Also, as far as roles are concerned, I loved the idea of a choose your own adventure role, almost made one as well, but...I don't think I like how they work in actuality. At least for the other faction, knowing that gonzaw knew crossfire's role, could lead him to all the good choices and none of the mediocre, and could talk in code with crossfire. The choose your adventure role becomes a quasi-mason AND is toughish to balance because instead of having all these choices, crossfire can be told what choices to make each time for the best outcome. Tip for next time: don't make a role that only works for town | ||
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On July 04 2013 03:36 geript wrote: I would like to point out based on how the doctor is worded he could've regenerated even after dying. Just sayin. No. You had to type in the thread. Last time I checked you're not allowed to type in the thread when you're dead. The 1-shot poisoner bit was tagged on as a gag and I didn't expect anybody would actually even consider using that bit of the role | ||
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On July 04 2013 05:10 gonzaw wrote: How about a "Pick Your Game" game? I mean, traditionally, the "host" is an entity of the mafia game that creates the game, creates roles, and "hosts". By "hosts" I mean he takes all actions, resolves them, posts day posts, makes flips, makes votecounts, etc. So, with PTP games we are abstracting more that standard model. Now hosts aren't the ones creating roles, but players are. So why can't we abstract it a little bit more and make players create games? I mean, the part that actually differs hosts from players is the "hosting" (making posts, counting votes, etc), not anything else. How a "Pick Your Game" game would work? I have no idea. But I'm sure Grey+iGrok can come up with something that's awesome! Are you maybe looking for something like this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397553 | ||
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On July 04 2013 07:06 Xatalos wrote: Well, I guess it's useless to mourn that In the end it was a chain of unfortunate events/failures/misunderstandings and not really solely anyone's (hosts', mine, BC's, Xfire's, Gonzaw's etc.) fault. In any case, if I ever decide to host a game, there will definitely be a lengthy set of rules to refer to... So that something like this couldn't possibly happen. I bet the difficulty is on a completely new level in a PTP though, but this was about a basic rule, not something any player could decide. It all could have been avoided with reasonable precautions IMO. Refers to currently ongoing Catch 22 game: cohost (me) didn't read the OP and made a mistake. Nothing major, but mistakes happen regardless of how many documents you make (and the longer they are, the more likely it is that a cohost doesn't read it ) | ||
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