PTP IV - Demon's Run

On June 21 2013 14:16 gonzaw wrote:
I just can't seem to type it right

"one shot pisione..." no
"one shit po..." no
"one direction poisoner" no!

Dammit!

On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote:
I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town!

Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector.

On June 22 2013 11:07 Acrofales wrote:

Either scum was told what the town is called or DI is (unfortunately) town.

And before you guys start, I say unfortunately, because I was looking forward to lynching the crap out of him.

On June 22 2013 11:18 Acrofales wrote:

So what? That limits them in who they can kill. Restricting scum is a good thing. You scum yourself?

On June 22 2013 11:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:

I'm just spreading the love. Don't be upset cuz you aint getting any ##Lovetaps





And then scum can just kill the person who wrote their role and claim whatever they want. Let's not do this guys.

On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:

They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is).

But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role)

On June 22 2013 21:23 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, this was supposed to be posted last night, but my power went out, so it is now about 8 hours late to the party. Luckily I now also have a bit more to say:


Makes a post to scold the thread for derping around... and simultaneously tells us he's drunk. A valuable contribution indeed.

Zephir, are you perhaps scum?

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In general, I am pretty suspicious of those who have come into the thread and lamented the pitiful state it is in (Kurumi), yet have shown absolutely NO inclination to improve it in any way, shape or form. On the other hand, Xatalos' introduction into the thread seems like it is far overshooting the mark in the other direction. Maybe it's just his way of writing, which I remember from like a year ago in our newbie game got everybody suspicious of him as well, but he seems really concerned with making a good impression. Nevertheless, I had a similar feeling about WoS, so there's that.

Also, apparently my vote on Kita should have been in the vote thread, but I guess it's too late for that now. Voting SnB instead, because he's apparently in this game.

On June 22 2013 21:37 Acrofales wrote:
Also, screw all of you. I'll go first.

I wrote the role for The Doctor.

On June 22 2013 21:32 Acrofales wrote:


This doesn't give them any more info, except about who created their power. So yes, if the need arises to fake claim, they will have to shoot that person first. However, it also does the following:

1. If all of mafia have roles that were created by townies, they cannot fake claim their role name (or stuff won't add up at the end of the game)

2. They cannot fake claim their actual role before whoever created their role is dead.

An alternative is to claim your actual rolename right now. Fear of the unknown isn't mafia's greatest fear. It's fear of getting caught out as mafia. This helps with that.

Also, who knows about the lovetap thing? It could be an actual power, inspired by ##fistbumb from the original PTP, or it could just be sk8r having read the original game and using that to derp around.

On June 22 2013 22:22 Acrofales wrote:


It's not a negative point at all. If you think this game will not, at one point, end up in a mass claim situation you clearly haven't played mass themed games before. What this extra information, before claims go flying gives us:

1. It forces mafia to be honest as long (although simply leaving them out of the know would do that too)
2. If someone dies, we know what role is open to a potential fakeclaim
3. If someone flips mafia, then we know the role he made is open to a potential fakeclaim by his mafia buddy.

Points 2 and 3 are not available to us without the claim.

On June 22 2013 11:54 Crossfire99 wrote:
##Pants: WaveofShadow

I'm going to bed now. I'm gone all day tomorrow and doubt that I will be able to post. I should be around Sunday, though.

On June 22 2013 14:56 Kurumi wrote:
For a moment I thought I was still drunk after yesterday but this thread actually makes no sense.
No trolling for me I guess.

We're running the classic lynch, so the most votes person dies?

On June 22 2013 20:34 strongandbig wrote:
Sk8rboi having his vote on bc is pretty weird ATM. If he's really read up on tlmafia like he says then he must have some idea what he's doing.

I think he's trying to behave like "I not scared noob I vote big shot vet hurr hurr" and get people to have town reads on him. I don't like that. Fos on sk8rboi.

On June 23 2013 01:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
StrongandBig, WaveofShadow, and BC are the scums 100%. Sk8 for MVP.

Thank you, good night.

Also about my role, the player who wrote it wanted to gain an advantage on player roles. Everyone suspects something, but only he and I know what it does and now he knows the role he received and mine. Possibly more if he is scum.

I thought about not doing it, but then he still wins if he is scum by knowing i'm out there not using my abilities.

Meta-scum >

On June 23 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:

Care to explain exactly what you're talking about in this post?

Also sorry about letting my tryhard pants fall off, guys, I forgot to put on a belt and someone pantsed me.
In all honestly the reason my posing twas crap then picked up and devolved again is because having never played in this kind of a game before I wasn't exactly sure how seriously people take it and how hard town/scum really try to win (ie do people scumhunt as normal with crazy as fuck roles flying around). It seems as though while there is likely to be more trolling in a game sch as this, people definitely do still want to win; as such I will begin to contribute in earnest.


I'm still not sure of you, Acro. Why haven't you commented much on what Xatalos has to say about me aside from you sharing his suspicions? I am arguably his strongest scumread and so I probably warrant discussion, yet you keep bringing conversation into role-claiming/setup speculation type stuff.

On June 23 2013 02:15 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:


It doesn't yet. I was letting town know this so if something happens to me then we know the writer of MY card is scum. Ideally thats the only reason why you would force your target to reveal to do their ability is so that the writer are aware of it and can respond according to their alignment.

On June 23 2013 01:16 Acrofales wrote:

Voted for you because you're tricksy scum. You used to be easy to catch, but you've upped your game. Your first post picked on a pretty easy target and gave a rather dubious reason for calling him scum (or at least FoS'ing him).

On June 23 2013 04:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
( 1 )I'm defending my FOS. You guys can think that I'm the worst player ever if you want. In all honestly I have no real reads, but you asked for some, so I attemped to give them.

( 2 ) Also BloodyCobbler has revealed he has a killing ability.

( 3 ) My role is pretty weak / lame. I just giving you my opinion, you know in this game that is based on opinions?

( 4 ) Also if I was Mafia, It would be pretty dumb of me to gather this much attention. I find that this day has actually been fairly useful.

On June 22 2013 11:59 Acrofales wrote:
Only way Kita is retarded enough to do this is that he is either in xxx's scumteam or made the lovetap role.

Just throwing that out there.

Oh, and

##vote Kitaman27

On June 23 2013 02:27 Acrofales wrote:
As for who I have suspicions about? I've mentioned them in my filter.

SnB: I expect more from him.
WoS: for fumbling over the tryhard pants.
Zephirdd: for being angry at people for not posting anything useful while not posting anything useful.

Slight pings on my scumdar:
Kurumi: for being D1 Kurumi
BC: for being D1 BC and coming up with a pretty bogus artificial reason for being against my plan.
Xatalos: for seeming insincere in his early tryhard posts.

On June 23 2013 04:38 kitaman27 wrote:
Can the role creator of Jack the Ripper confirm that the day vig can be used anonymously?

On June 23 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote:


Noob town. But he might just have gotten shot already, so we'll see soon enough.

On June 23 2013 05:06 Acrofales wrote:

While BC is wiley enough to plan this, I believe him. He was clearly foreshadowing this with his objection to my plan. So he made himself a dayvig. The question is still whether he is scum or town, but I don't think we should lynch him regardless of what sk8r flips.

I don't think BC has been acting particularly scummy, although so far he has only been going batshit insane tunnelmode on that sk8r guy. It just feels like the start of Personality 2, and I think this is more BC losing his temper than BC making a calculated scumplay to vig shot some noobie who does not feel like much of a threat.

On June 23 2013 05:48 Dandel Ion wrote:

how do you know he doesn't have to post in the thread?

On June 23 2013 05:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Right now I think it's more likely that BC is a trigger happy town that shot judge for policy, than a mafia scum who is trying to get away with an easy shot. Like I mentioned before, a scum day vig that doesn't have to post in the thread to pull off the shot can just shoot a high priority target anonymously and get away with it at no cost. If what BC says is true, he wouldn't even have to worry about another townie knowing his role was responsible for the shot because he created it himself. I'm not sure what he would have to gain claiming responsibility for the shot in the thread as mafia, other than having the opportunity to yell at a bunch of people and shift focus to himself, but that's not really worth it this early in the game.

On June 23 2013 05:57 Acrofales wrote:


Except that BC is exactly the kind of person who would shoot first and ask questions later. I was all up in Adam's face in Duel mafia and even accused him of being 3P for most of the game because I thought he wasn't the shoot first, ask questions later kinda guy. Turned out he was. As town.

As for him not being afraid of the role creator: well duh. He claims he created the role himself. And that part I absolutely believe.

You are a vig switch! Until you are dead, anyone attempting to use a vigilante type ability is immediately roleblocked!

On June 23 2013 08:56 Acrofales wrote:

There was literally only 20 minutes between the shot and sk8er assuming that it was fake, though. That is some very unrealistic expectations of a host (given that neither had shown signs of being here for hours before that point).

On June 23 2013 07:47 Acrofales wrote:
Anybody feel like claiming they roleblocked BC? That whole thing just played out extremely weirdly... but I also think it pretty much confirms BC as a dayvig. I don't see any reason at all to lie about the ability and the way it played out as either alignment.

If he is scum, then a townie with a town read on sk8er was quick on the trigger. In this case, it almost HAS to be a post-hoc roleblock, because I don't see a townie bothering to roleblock when all BC was doing was talking about deliberating about shooting.

If he is town, then there's the added possibility that sk8er is scum and has a scumbuddy who can daytime (post-hoc?) roleblock. In this case it could have been a quick roleblock before he actually shot.

Did anybody design a role that could have done a post-hoc roleblock? If not, I think we should lynch sk8er.

On June 24 2013 01:41 Xatalos wrote:
Dandel Ion, you really think we should lynch Zephirdd over s0Lstice...?

On June 24 2013 01:32 Acrofales wrote:

Wait... what?! So tell me why Zephir is scum. According to you, not according to those other guys voting for him.

Also, I'm catching up on the thread now. I hope I can make an informed decision in the next hour or so, because I have to go out and don't know whether I'll be back for the deadline.

On June 24 2013 02:11 Xatalos wrote:


Ugh, now this feels like talking to Kurumi (=a brick wall). If I'm in "confirmation bias land", then you're in "not doing anything land". Except dodging questions, throwing dirt and bandwagoning...

On June 24 2013 02:14 Acrofales wrote:

I'm waiting for him to reply, because he seems to be around (at least somewhat) and I am not completely convinced he's scum, but well on my way there.

SnB is based on meta.

sk8er is based on him not giving a shit about who he lynches, as long as someone dies.

On June 23 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


to be honest what you just said would implicate snb as scum not me, but keep up the good work. your record of not lynching townies is going to be broken if you manage to lynch me.

On June 23 2013 03:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
You didn't even bother answering why you aren't pushing your scum reads. Why aren't you? Making lists with 0 reasoning behind it or solid commitment to your read is useless and is incredibly scummy.

On June 23 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


go for it, no hosts are around to activate it thus we wait. You aren't dead until they post.

On June 23 2013 05:52 Acrofales wrote:

Posted 1 minute after the vote count. GG.

Shot probably fake, or failed for some other reason. Which is weird, because both BC and sk8r seem convinced it had no reason to fail.

Sk8r! Are you bulletproof?

On June 24 2013 08:35 Acrofales wrote:

I had absolutely no idea that s0lstice was the doctor. But... yeah, I would have campained harder against him being lynched with that info. The role is not too powerful for town, but would be ridiculous in scum hands.

On June 24 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote:
BC, are you around? If so, you want a present or want your choice to get? Time is limited before presents go in the mail, but will ship it along if I don't hear from you.

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NOW ONTO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS

JEEBUS STOP LYNCHING ME.

If you think you can usually read me and you haven't been able to do so this game, that might be because I'm not normally this absent. As EITHER alignment. Go read my stupid scum games, I'm always trying to plot and direct things and getting shot down when I try to get the scum team to engage in stupid plans, except for CT mafia maybe cuz I replaced in there.

To those who actually think I'm scummy, you guys should knock it off as well. I don't bring presents to people who think I'm scummy except maybe I do. Ugh. Also, not scum.

Gonna sort through the rest of this tomorrow at work.

On June 24 2013 06:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
I am tres sad Solstice wasn't scum. My tryhard pants must have holes in them or something.

Hey Kurumi.
Since you like bluefishing so much, let's talk about roles.
Solstice can come back to the thread anytime he likes, correct? Is there a point in waiting until later in the game to do so?

Also I know who wrote my role.
:D

On June 24 2013 07:44 kitaman27 wrote:
This is important. Please read.



Whoever owns the TARDIS, please pass it to me tonight. I just need you to trust me on this one, but there will be evidence of its usage in the day post tomorrow and how it will clearly benefit town. Additionally, the role I created can ensure that I will be protected from night hits/busdrivers/roleblocks. I'm requesting protection from Strax tonight so I can pull of my ability with the TARDIS tonight. If I end up dead tomorrow, Strax is almost certainly scum. If there is a watcher role out there, it might be worth being on me as well, since it can essentially confirm me, Strax, and the Tardis owner as town if things go as planned.

On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote:
I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town!

Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector.

On June 24 2013 23:43 Acrofales wrote:
Why'd everybody go quiet?

Anyway, lets kill Xatalos. Will make a case, but it basically boils down to him not taking a stance on ANYTHING and circumventing every issue with lots of waffle. I had my suspicions of his thread entry, then he lulled me into a false sense of security with his later day posting, and now it just came roaring back with this string of gems:


Translation: I want to call you scum, but don't really want to, but you normally look townie but aren't this time, although you did look townie earlier. So you might die.

HUH?

If Xata is town, I see absolutely no reason to post this "stream of consciousness". Make up your mind, THEN post. This just feels like a non-post from scum where it seems he's actively contributing with his thought process, but really isn't. This verbal diarrhoea makes me feel slightly better about austin, btw.

Next:

If I use big words nobody will notice that I am waffling nonsense!!!
More stream-of-conscience stuff, but this time with a high dose of stupid. BC isn't contradicting himself here, although DI is an amusing troll. BC is angry at people thinking that having some role means something alignment wise. He says that the WAY austin is USING his role is townie. I disagree, but BC isn't contradicting himself, and if Xata was actually thinking at the same level as he is being verbose, he would realize this. Instead, it's a scum grabbing a cheap opportunity to discredit BC (who is probably town).

Onwards and upwards!

We didn't mislynch. We no lynched, and s0lstice got shot by you or your cohorts. But that aside. LOOK AT THE BOLDED PART!

Xata has been pretty damned inconsistent about WoS, but he seems to have a scumread on him from the start of D1 (and never actually bothers to try and push him, but that aside). Now what do you do to potential scum? You pressure them, you push them. You poke them, and you prod them.

Unless, of course, you're scum yourself. Then you ask if they would please oblige you by maybe posting their reads? But not in any hurry, mind you. Also, great example of the pot calling the kettle black, with regards to shoddy reasons for jumping on the s0lstice case.

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In closing: lets kill Xatalos

On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, xat.

The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this.

He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing"

He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more.

Kita and Meapak both need to post more.

On June 25 2013 01:46 Acrofales wrote:
Okay. Homicidal urge is under control again. Lets go back to killing MZ, SnB and austin.

Crisis averted.

On June 24 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote:
I also had a quick look at Xfire's filter. There's not much content there, but the bit there is is actually pretty good.

Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er.

Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too.

On June 24 2013 12:25 Acrofales wrote:
austin completely missing stuff like that is not making me any more comfortable about him.

On June 24 2013 10:41 austinmcc wrote:
That one I can actually do tonight, at least out of context. Rest needs to wait until tomorrow.

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Without any context, just checking his filter, doesn't pass the smell test.

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On June 25 2013 04:34 Acrofales wrote:
Yay. Gonzaw is town. Other than that: I haven't read the giant case, so can't say anything about MZ or WoS.

@Xatalos: what was the point of those questions? An exploration in self-analysis? If it is somehow going to help you scumhunt I'll answer, but it seems more postgame oriented than of any use right now.

On June 25 2013 05:01 Acrofales wrote:

I wouldn't say I was. Self-analysis is pretty useless, though, as everybody is the most awesomest mafia player in their own mind.

I think all of this stems from the fact that I wasn't around for the 2 or 3 hours before the deadline, which I can explain by being in the park. I know sunlight is scary to some TL folks, but you should try it sometime.

On July 03 2013 09:31 Acrofales wrote:
Xatalos played okay. He wasn't great, but the only reason you thought he was scum was because his and xfire's stories didn't add up. Still not sure what happened there with the roleblocked shit, but how the hell was he supposed to claim he was roleblocked when he wasn't notified.

decon said in obs QT that roleblocks weren't notified. So essentially, it was xfire who had the wrong info, didn't check it properly, and you all piled onto Xata, who was playing quite okay when you got through the elaborate waffly way of talking.. which if you had even bothered to look at my filter, you would have noticed is part of his town meta, despite me going all raaaage at him over it.

On July 03 2013 10:12 kitaman27 wrote:
Also, apologies to gonzaw and crossfire if I got a bit aggressive during the last 48 hours. I didn't mean to make the decision so stressful, I just really wanted to win :p

On July 03 2013 09:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Austins power was so fucking pro town that he blended in so well with terrible townies -_-