PTP IV - Demon's Run - Page 3

On June 24 2013 02:44 Kurumi wrote:

9 Votes? why would it be that, we're running classic, so anybody with highest votes dies.

On June 24 2013 02:45 Kurumi wrote:
Oh it really is majority I did not understand decon then o_O

On June 24 2013 02:35 austinmcc wrote:
Phone when I can check it.

Acro, based on comments, skater's role means he wouldn't have died even if bc didn't get blocked. I don't think you can expect the normal infodump IF he actually survives a shot and WANTED to get shot.

While I don't think skater set himself up to get shot at night, I believe he was trying to. Weird thing to claim, probably true, and hopefully explains the change in behavior.

I also don't read his voteswap as scummy. I'd prefer there be some more reasoning, any original thoughts, but it was so blatant, when I'd expect scum to try and justify.

On June 24 2013 04:05 kitaman27 wrote:
So here is where I'm at:

I think there are plenty of people that did a good job of looking obviously town on day one. We're in a good position because of that.

Either BC is lying about the roleblock or the roleblocker anonymously saved Sk8rguy without claiming. Right now, I have a town read on BC due to the fact that he would have been making an unnecessary lie at little gain for himself. Plus the fact that there were multiple actions sent in leads me to believe the shot and block were real. The fact that the roleblocker has not claimed, makes me think that it was likely a scum roleblocker. If a town roleblocker saved Sk8r, he would have claimed to remove any unwarranted suspicion of Sk8r. A day blocker is hardly such a strong role in a game full of blues that it is worth a mislynch to keep your identity safe. The other alternative is that there is a scum roleblocker trying to save a town Sk8r in order to make him or BC look suspicious. From a mafia perspective, just letting Sk8r die would make more sense and make BC look bad in the process, which leads me to the conclusion that a scum roleblocker saved a scum Sk8r. Initially, I had a town read based on the way he was willing to attract attention to him by pushing BC and the way that he explained why he was using his role. However, based on the way that he moved off BC so easily explaining that he obviously wasn't going to get lynched and wanted to avoid a split vote is pretty scummy.

As for the other people under suspicion...

Between s0Lstice and Zeph, I think s0L is more likely to be scum.

He is willing to call both BC and sk8r town, but doesn't really explain what happened to the roleblocker (unless he is the roleblocker himself). I don't follow his reasoning to come to a both town conclusion based on what he has shared. His vote on Zeph seems like he needs to come up with a lynch candidate and push it, but the reasoning he grabbed on to isn't very strong. He is pushing the Zeph lynch with too much confidence to think he was scum based on the reasoning provided, which is generally what I fall into as scum.

Also, posts like these always seem like they are more likely to come from scum than town:

Between

I still think we should resolve the Sk8r situation first based on my reasoning above.

##Vote Sk8r

On June 24 2013 04:11 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Well I am L-3 Now. So might as well claim my RP name so the role creator at least will know how I survived.

My role did not have any limitations on activating it at day. I planned on getting attacked and using my ability to mess up a scum kill. I will not reveal the actual role.

I activated my ability to stay alive during the day. My role is NOT a roleblock, which is why I think BC lied or faked the attack.

I am Sally Sparrow.

On June 24 2013 04:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I like this post.

On June 24 2013 04:39 geript wrote:
I did not create Sally Sparrow. I have no clue wtf he's talking about. This shit is getting ridiculous. Sk8tr list your top 3 scum reads and why they're your scum reads. I care about nothing else right now.

On June 24 2013 04:48 gonzaw wrote:
Someone can point to me quick reasons why Sk8 is getting bandwagoned?

On June 24 2013 04:53 Zephirdd wrote:
There's no way to get someone to 9 votes now. And Sk8r keeps being useless. Just because we are "tunneling" you doesnt mean you cant look at other players and hunt them. You don't have a limited amount of energy and defending takes little time, UNLESS you are thinking hard every word you are putting out, discussing your posts with teammates etc. Come on, hunt hunt hunt.

Xfire, just because you know his role doesnt mean he is town. That's how I won last game, Kurumi made my role and trusted me for that. Also, answer this: does his role RB the attacker, or does it just protect him? Does he have to activate his role or is it automatic? This is important because BC claimed to be roleblocked.

On June 24 2013 04:49 s0Lstice wrote:
what do you think of Austin, xatalos

On June 24 2013 05:06 Zephirdd wrote:
ok so BC didn't actually claim to be RB'd, just that his shot was refunded. Didn't see that.

Ah goddamnit.
+ Show Spoiler [Macro meme] +

I still hold my belief that BC is town and that was my main reasoning to call Sk8r mafia.

I don't know who to vote for at this point. I'd love to see others who disappeared(acrofales where are you)

Dandel, what was the reasoning to lynch s0lstice again? He made a post that I liked concerning austin, altho it could be just pressuring an afk player, or austin could be just fine with whatever is going on.

On June 24 2013 01:35 Xatalos wrote:
s0Lstice...

1) Why haven't you basically mentioned me at all (except dodging the question once when asked directly) after initially throwing dirt on me?

2) Why haven't you responded to my reply to your soft accusation?

3) Why have you pretty much ignored/dodged Gonzaw´s case on you (except downplaying it once in a vague manner) and then conveniently forgotten it?

4) Why did you suddenly bandwagon Zephirdd, an "easy" lurker lynch, despite not even mentioning him before this?

All this makes me feel like you don't even care who gets lynched. Just throw some dirt around, then forget it, then avoid attention, and then jump on an easy bandwagon when the opportunity arises. Frankly, your filter reeks red.

On June 23 2013 09:57 gonzaw wrote:
Welp, now I want to kill Zepphird for that post of his.

Goddamit, I'll just finish reading and make sense of it later.

Regarding stuff that makes Zepphirds post scummy:
(reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738&currentpage=25#487 )

It's entirely possible (maybe likely) that BC is town.
I get the feeling that if that's so, then some if not most of scum will just come out and flat out say "BC is town" in their posts.
Why? Goes with the flow (general consensus is both confusion about BC's alignment/actions but thinking he's stupid town as well), fake contributions, etc.

Zepphird made that kind of post, and I think kita and others made that kind of post as well

That kind of post bothers me.

I'm not too interested in lynching geript based on that. It'd be way easier for scum geript to do the same thing and sweep any pressure off him (as he's having now)



You just made a "case" against 2 dudes and then conveniently ignored it until I asked you about them (you were supposed to...you know...either vote them, ask people for opinions, etc)

Anyways, I finished reading so I'll just post my thoughts about you now, and reread and shit later:

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Here's the thing solstice.
You started "fine" I'd say. You started joking, jumped to the lovetap thing. Normal early-game-derp. Not super townie, but well you weren't scummy or anything.
You made sense with some comments you made, and I had similar thoughts about you Acro had (that you were making comments that seemingly reflected that of his own, etc)
But then came this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738&currentpage=18#349



This striked me as a "antagonist scum" kind of post.
It's not the aggressiveness itself, but also the contrast.

Like, it's odd to me you'd go from this:






...to stuff like "cool I can kill Kurumi and be cool with it" or stuff like that.

There's also the fact that your sk8/BC comments seem like filler

Also your Xatalos thing makes very very little sense:


I can't understand how Xata's question can make you suspicious of him like you make it out to be.
How about this for a response:
1)Xata was DIRECTLY asking sk8 if his lovetap is a joke or serious
2)Xata wanted other people to chime in on that thing to make more sense of it

Your "case" doesn't convince me at all, and it doesn't convince me YOU are convinced he's scum (or you are suspicious of him) either.

After that you make "usual" posts, but sparse in between.
Different than WOS's interaction with people and activity in discussions, I just see you make ocassional posts arguing with WOS, or making some comments about some stuff other people said, etc.

And you ignore your own FoS on Xata and S&B, in the sense that it seems you don't care about it.
You ask nobody what they think of Xata/S&B. You make no effort whatsoever to either:
-Get them lynched
-Convince people they are scum/suspicious
-Get more thoughts about them to get better reads on people or drive discussion forward
-Get thoughts about them to convince yourself if they are scum or you are looking at the wrong direction

Instead of doing stuff like that, I see you have a pointless discussion about BC's meta, and you just appear to be in the "sidelines" of the BC discussion, appearing that you are contributing about it, but I just don't get the feeling you actually are.

That's what makes me suspicious of you.

....meh, I'll let you guys post your thoughts and shit, I'll take a closer look at Zepphird, and maybe reread Xata (I thought he was fairly town before he arrived here, another reason I didn't really understand solstice's FoS on him....nor WOS's either to be honest).

Again, tell me if I'm wrong with my approach to the Xata stuff. I thought he seemed fairly townie, for his initial "get ball rolling" case on WOS (I certainly got that feeling from it at least), his continued activity, his behaviour, etc.

On June 24 2013 05:13 s0Lstice wrote:
also, xatalos, I answered you. you just didn't like it.

On June 24 2013 05:08 s0Lstice wrote:


how do you feel about his actions surrounding this lynch?