EPTAlignments are set before the game and whoever is elected either loses their alignment to become host or something else happens...?
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Alignments are set before the game and whoever is elected either loses their alignment to become host or something else happens...? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
That works as well. You don't need to make that guy have his alignment struck out though. With your idea, I think it would be something like Themed Game Mafia. Every day is a different "day". You either elect someone to choose the next day's "game", or he's chosen in a different way. Then the guy can choose what type of game to do, that game will span 1 cycle (day+night). He can choose a Pick Your Poison or similar game (he gets to choose the poisons for instance). He could pick an Election type of game, where he chooses the powers the elected players will have. He may choose a Death Factory or similar game. Basically he can PM the host the new mechanics the game will have that day+night, the host checks it out and the host "hosts" it while the player continues playing that same game Another option is have EVERYBODY create a game before game starts and alignments are set out (just like now in PTP people create roles before game starts). Then the host randomizes those "games", puts them in a specific order, and the actual game goes from one of those games to the next. For example, there are 3 players. One creates a Pick Your Poison-style game, another an Election-style game, and another a Double-Lynch-With-Vote-Shenanigans one. The host randomizes that shit, and gets that first the Election game will go through, then the PYP game, then the Vote one. So D1+N1 is the Election one, D2+N2 is PYP, and D3+N3 is the Vote one. In this case it'd be hard to get EVERYBODY's game to be played. If you have 16 players, you would need 16 cycles to put that shit together....you would most likely just experience 4-6 games, and all other players will never be able to see their game in action Maybe you can make 1 game span a phase and not cycle (D1 is a game, N1 is a different game, etc), so you have double the games (so everybody's game can be played). | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
The problem with all blue games is that everyone wants to be superman and that leads to really swingy games. Players that don't wind up with overpowered roles are disappointed, yet a game full of them is too rough on mafia. Even normal roles like detective or 2-shot vig become too powerful in a setup like this because there is too much role synergy when everyone has an ability every night. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On July 04 2013 03:57 gonzaw wrote: I had no troubles with the PTP aspect of the game. I mean, I didn't really cry at night because of kita's day vig, geript's MK, the TARDIS fucking us up, etc. Actually yes...the worst problem a PTP game can have is non-existance.......sk8 I'm looking at you CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY SOMEONE LIED ABOUT MY ROLE SOMEHOW I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON Sk8 said he made me veteran lookout who can track people that make visits at night or some shit. That didn't sound so bad (although it being passive is kind of a drag, the most fun PTP roles are interactive). Then hosts said they didn't change roles at all basically, other than little tweeks ....yet I got fucking vengeful-spirit townie-killer wtf, who is lying? This is the role PM I got from sk8: Original Message From xxSK8rGUy277xx: You are a Mischevious Troll! If you are lynched, one of your guilty voters must commit suicide. At night, you can activate your Troll Toll. If any player visits you while you are doing this, they will gain the ability "If you are lynched, one of your guilty voters must commit suicide". At night, you can visit a player and remove the ability "If you are lynched, one of your guilty voters must commit suicide". You may not activate the Troll toll AND visit a player on the same night. You are immune to suiciding from lynching someone. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know if it's worded correctly. But this is my ROLE! :D On July 04 2013 04:36 austinmcc wrote: PTP5: PY(PTP) Everyone creates a role, roles are all in the open and get drafted? e: With some extra roles thrown in or something. I was thinking of doing a PYP: PTP Allstars game, where the rolelist would be taken from all the good roles in the PTP games. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On July 03 2013 23:44 Xatalos wrote: ALTHOUGH!!! I did clearly ask in the thread for host confirmation about this mess. What we got were two opposite answers by two different hosts ("no" by deconduo and "yes" by Sentinel). This could all have easily been resolved, and somewhat likely my death avoided, if it had been just made clear in the thread as I requested to begin with. Hosts pls  (PS. I would have repeatedly demanded the situation to be resolved in the thread if I hadn't been AFK for that crucial time. Thus, I am also to blame for being AFK, although less than the hosts for contradicting each other IMO.) (PS+. Otherwise good job hosts, but this one failure *might* have caused town to lose. I hope I don't sound too much like geript now, I'm just.... Sad, I guess. Since I wrongly suspected Crossfire99 and he wrongly suspected and pushed me to death.) actually this host bit is what made me shoot you in conjuction to gonza also thinking it made you scum. I had a solidish townread on xfire based on how he was playing and gonza was clear town. It came down to geript, kita and austin. Given that I thought kita was third party and geript was confirmed scum who I thought had tardis I would have a) used a diff ability or shot austin So had the hosts not kinda fubared the situation a bit with their pm's then you'd never have been shot and kitas day shot would have been blocked via ewok whistle, or austin shot. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On July 04 2013 05:34 kitaman27 wrote: I think it was a nice improvement that players did not know who they were picking for. The possibility of players creating their own role really opened up the fake claim options as well. Introducing a couple non-submitted roles (while omitting a few of the player created ones) might make fake claiming even easier. The problem with all blue games is that everyone wants to be superman and that leads to really swingy games. Players that don't wind up with overpowered roles are disappointed, yet a game full of them is too rough on town. Even normal roles like detective or 2-shot vig become too powerful in a setup like this because there is too much role synergy when everyone has an ability every night.  this is the first PTP game I didn't have a total shite role. I am fine with how it worked  P | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On July 04 2013 00:56 kitaman27 wrote: You created your own role didn't you? Couldn't you just include a mafia player in the group, rig the results every night, turn your role into a mafia kp and then never claim how it works? You'd eventually have to come up with a fake claim at endgame, but that endgame would come a cycle sooner and you didn't need to tell the truth about how the role works because only you know how it works. First night was like me gonza meapak kita I chose you, and i think whoever else chose chose gonza? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18303 Posts
On July 04 2013 05:10 gonzaw wrote: How about a "Pick Your Game" game? I mean, traditionally, the "host" is an entity of the mafia game that creates the game, creates roles, and "hosts". By "hosts" I mean he takes all actions, resolves them, posts day posts, makes flips, makes votecounts, etc. So, with PTP games we are abstracting more that standard model. Now hosts aren't the ones creating roles, but players are. So why can't we abstract it a little bit more and make players create games? I mean, the part that actually differs hosts from players is the "hosting" (making posts, counting votes, etc), not anything else. How a "Pick Your Game" game would work? I have no idea. But I'm sure Grey+iGrok can come up with something that's awesome! Are you maybe looking for something like this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397553 | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On July 04 2013 05:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: actually this host bit is what made me shoot you in conjuction to gonza also thinking it made you scum. I had a solidish townread on xfire based on how he was playing and gonza was clear town. It came down to geript, kita and austin. Given that I thought kita was third party and geript was confirmed scum who I thought had tardis I would have a) used a diff ability or shot austin So had the hosts not kinda fubared the situation a bit with their pm's then you'd never have been shot and kitas day shot would have been blocked via ewok whistle, or austin shot. ![[image loading]](http://comstat.memecdn.com/images/comment/1107.gif) | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
In the end it was a chain of unfortunate events/failures/misunderstandings and not really solely anyone's (hosts', mine, BC's, Xfire's, Gonzaw's etc.) fault.In any case, if I ever decide to host a game, there will definitely be a lengthy set of rules to refer to... So that something like this couldn't possibly happen. I bet the difficulty is on a completely new level in a PTP though, but this was about a basic rule, not something any player could decide. It all could have been avoided with reasonable precautions IMO. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On July 04 2013 05:53 deconduo wrote: This is the role PM I got from sk8: I was thinking of doing a PYP: PTP Allstars game, where the rolelist would be taken from all the good roles in the PTP games. Heh, nice idea IMO. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18303 Posts
On July 04 2013 07:06 Xatalos wrote: Well, I guess it's useless to mourn that In the end it was a chain of unfortunate events/failures/misunderstandings and not really solely anyone's (hosts', mine, BC's, Xfire's, Gonzaw's etc.) fault.In any case, if I ever decide to host a game, there will definitely be a lengthy set of rules to refer to... So that something like this couldn't possibly happen. I bet the difficulty is on a completely new level in a PTP though, but this was about a basic rule, not something any player could decide. It all could have been avoided with reasonable precautions IMO. Refers to currently ongoing Catch 22 game: cohost (me) didn't read the OP and made a mistake. Nothing major, but mistakes happen regardless of how many documents you make (and the longer they are, the more likely it is that a cohost doesn't read it ) | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 04 2013 05:53 deconduo wrote: This is the role PM I got from sk8: On June 26 2013 12:50 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: dont be all upset cause the role I wrote for u got nerfed. I could post the original I wrote for you. It was jester veteran lookout but the lookout gives u numbers with alignment instead of names, cuz that would just be OP. and then u can use your second ability to remove the jester ability from people based on the number u received. i.e. When activatd 1 visted u, they are MAFIA 2 visted u, they are town so basically u could confirm players that visitedd u BUT u dont know who visited u and then become jesters. I guess it got nerfed though since apparently u say it blos. I thot it was pretty balanced ... why why would someone do that why please tell me | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 04 2013 06:47 Acrofales wrote: Are you maybe looking for something like this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397553 Yes, that was exactly on my mind. Except instead of Grey coming up with each cycle's game, it is players themselves | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On July 04 2013 10:31 Acrofales wrote: Refers to currently ongoing Catch 22 game: cohost (me) didn't read the OP and made a mistake. Nothing major, but mistakes happen regardless of how many documents you make (and the longer they are, the more likely it is that a cohost doesn't read it )Haha. Well, I'm always a perfectionist, but I agree that it's impossible to avoid every mistake. Still, at least MAJOR (game-changing) mistakes should be minimized somehow. A good start would be to clarify every rule question in the thread, not in PMs, IMO (at least if there's been talk about it in the thread and not solely in a question PM). Most situations were resolved in-thread here as well, but not this for some reason In the end, I'm mostly angry at myself. Clearly BC, Gonzaw and Crossfire99 would have never started pushing me like they did without this "lie" I made. If I had: 1) never mentioned the contradiction by Crossfire99 2) been online for the 24 hours before the shot to defend myself / resolve the misunderstanding in-thread 3) appeared more clearly townish earlier on (catching a scum or even just scumhunting more like Gonzaw) all this would never have happened either... 3 is kind of stupid though, since then Crossfire99 would have just ended up dead instead of me. 1 is.... not sure. 2 is at least a clear ticket to victory if it had really happened. | ||
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xxSK8rGUy277xx
300 Posts
On July 04 2013 11:17 gonzaw wrote: ... why why would someone do that why please tell me my bad thats what i thought i wrote. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
If you were death-GF scum, then GG there's no need to keep lying now, game already ended | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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