PTP IV - Demon's Run - Page 14

On July 03 2013 04:10 kitaman27 wrote:


An anti-town 3rd party that you are describing based on the win conditions listed in the OP has never existed in team liquid mafia history. It doesn't make sense from a game perspective and it doesn't make sense from a balance perspective. You're confusing what a neutral survivor actually means. A neutral survivor isn't neutral to both factions. He is going to pick one faction to win with and one faction to back stab. He win condition is surviving. I had an opportunity at 2v1v1 and I took it. It was an anti-town action to take a join mafia win, but a survivor is not an anti-town alignment and I can still win with town.

On July 03 2013 04:30 gonzaw wrote:
Didn't Kurumi claim the RB on BC or something?

Anyways that makes no sense since Zepphird didn't say anything about the role he created having a day-RB. Maybe hosts derped again and made it so the TARDIS refunds bullets without telling anybody else about it

He knew who was scum pretty early in this game and he has quoted the numerous posts where he was suspicious of austin and geript. What doesn't make sense is this. Meapak dies and pretty much confirms austin as scum for kita. Kita claims survivor because he got too trolly and obvious. Important note here is that he is spamming up the thread with nonsense and playing antitown even though he now knows who scum are and has KP that can deal with them. He know geript and austin are scum. Geript challenges him to mortal combat but kita has the TARDIS and can do whatever he wants with it. He could have used the TARDIS to hit austin because he knows geript's ability only protects at night. This would prove that he's 3rd party working with town by killing scum. Instead of this, he kills Dandel and tries to lynch sk8r instead of austin. (Even if he thinks sk8r is scum, he is more sure of austin at this point and has been pushing him previously.) This is actively working against town. Day 3 comes along and he attempts to work with mafia!? Why if he is just a survivor does he need to work with mafia? He can just dayvig austin thus proving he is 3rd party working with town. Geript then gets lynched and worst case scenario is that scum down to 1 member. Kita then skates along and never will get nk or lynched because it isn't in scum or town's best interest to do either. But no, Kita shoots Dandel again because Dandel wants Kita dead and has been pushing it relentlessly.

On July 03 2013 04:34 kitaman27 wrote:
Also, does your 75% calculation take into account that mafia almost certainly have a bus driver or self protect in their pocket?

We've established that I'm not mafia. Therefore, mafia would have no idea what I did to the TARDIS. When I asked if the TARDIS was a worry with my day shot, they flat out replied no. You don't speak in certainty like that unless you know it's not an issue.

On July 03 2013 04:39 gonzaw wrote:
Xfire, is there any time limit to using the TARDIS if someone shoots you?
Like, if someone day-vigs you 1 second into the day phase, what is the "deadline" in which you have to use the TARDIS, and if you do not you die to that shot? If you get day-vigged 1 second into the day phase, can you use the TARDIS to protect yourself 1 second before deadline? Or should it be instant?

On June 26 2013 02:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Anyways, I'm a Survivor.



Breadcrumbed it with my first post from everyone's favorite 80's hit single:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Can't_Hold_Back

My win condition is to obtain the TARDIS and survive until endgame. I managed to meet the first condition on night one so now I'm just along for the ride. I also baited the medic role that I created to protect me last night because I didn't want to claim until after the TARDIS was passed to me and getting picked off n1 would have been lame. I don't even have to hold the TARDIS at endgame, so I'll pass it off tonight as a sign of good faith.

I can win with either faction (so don't shoot me plz mafia), but based on how mafia likely started that ugly bandwagon on me to save austin, I'll offer town my services free of charge

I'm open to any investigative checks if you feel like wasting your night action, but it will return third party.

For the conspiracy theorists that think I planned this from the start, go away.

Please note, that if I post in text that is red or green, the message is intended only for the corresponding faction. If you are not part of this faction, I trust you to ignore it.

For example,

You guys should totally shoot BC instead of myself tonight.

Or

I think mafia is going to shoot BC. Just a hunch.

Good Luck!

On June 26 2013 05:58 kitaman27 wrote:


That's not the correct trigger phrase, but are you seriously using your day-vig on the claimed survivor? Not only is that suboptimal play, its just cruel to me, making it essentially the only way I can't win the game now that I have the TARDIS.



Oh really? I shouldn't have to worry about night kills even if I'm only half active? That's exactly when the mafia team goes after you when there are no medics.



lol I was breadcrumbing survivor all day.

"victory is at hand" --> in reference to receiving the tardis

"Victory only applies to town, or does it, I'll have to get back to you?" --> in reference to being able to win with both factions

It's not like I can ask for the TARDIS with my super plan and hope the thread forgets about it for 5 cycles. I was obviously planning to claim.



Show me a respected player that disagrees with my assessment that scummy players should be vig shot. Cmon now, you're just terrible.



Just because I'm 3P doesn't mean that I'm completely useless. I'm not Palmar after all. I still share town's best interest at heart.



So I breadcrumbed survivor in my first post, came up with an elaborate story about needing the TARDIS to obtain the 1 night medic protection, and then claimed for giggles? BC made it completely clear that he thought I was siding with thread sentiment on day one. That completely matches the actions of a survivor. You on the other hand are scum.

On June 26 2013 22:45 kitaman27 wrote:
I just checked and apparently the TARDIS may be used during the day. It wasn't quite clear based on the description.

I can confirm what Sk8r said is true about the fact that mafia cannot activate the device twice in one cycle without the passing being randomized. I'll name the player that I will be passing the device to before the deadline, to prove that both Sk8r and myself are not scum buddies. If he flips scum like I predict, maybe we can finally end the survivor witch hunt.

In other fantastic news, Sk8r's clarification has probably saved my life as I can now activate the self-protect from the TARDIS to save myself from geript's kp. I probably shouldn't be telling town this as it opens me up to a risk lynch, but hopefully you guys will take the fact that I'm not holding onto the TARDIS myself as a sign of good faith, considering how powerful it's confirmation abilities are.

For the people that are saying that I need to be lynched before LYLO, I don't really understand why. You mentioned that you want to avoid a kingmaker scenario, but if you're going to lynch me, it essentially brings you one cycle closer to LYLO since it means that you can't use it on a scum lynch, the mafia team get an extra cycle of night hits, and mafia vote ratio improves. Even if we reach kingmaker, I'll still vote with town. Looking back through TL's history of survivors, nearly all of them side with town. What is the point of playing this game if there is no scum hunting objectives. It's not like I've even played anti-town this game. I've shared my suspicion of Meapak 3 different times. I've shared my suspicion of Sk8r at least five times. I still plan to share my reads on the remaining half of the players when I have time, but it seems silly that people are expecting the survivor to do all the work, while the rest of town sits around and does nothing. Why exactly is a pro-town third party role leading the lynch anyways? You guys do realize that the mafia kp is likely on the line this cycle? People are saying that this could be some elaborate plan to survive to endgame as scum, but is that really the scenario that is most likely? Am I really the player most likely to flip scum remaining in this game? That's nonsense.

On July 03 2013 05:04 gonzaw wrote:
I think the fact I don't want this game to go for 72 more hours may have a slight (slight mind you) influence in me wanting to lynch austin

On July 03 2013 05:12 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, first something else Xfire:

Do I have the knowledge about your role or items, etc to know why we'll win 80% tonight if we lynch austin? Or is it something only you know?
At least I want to try and know why. If I know why I may feel better lynching kita instead if it's the safest option

On July 03 2013 05:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Keep in mind that coming up with a night action win percentage is impossible because you don't actually know austin's role.

On July 03 2013 05:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Well I know a way to improve those odds -_-

On July 03 2013 05:21 gonzaw wrote:


I was THIS close of protecting BC last night lol

Like...it was 5:59 and I had the mouse cursor over the "Send" button of the already-made "##Protect: BC" PM.

You lucky you

On July 03 2013 05:28 gonzaw wrote:


Whether you or I get the medic is irrelevant.
I thought that was made clear by me telling you who I was protecting in the thread and you acknowledging it

Also Xfire, damn shame you didn't choose option 2 back on N1. You would have gotten a DT check.
The story made it clear you were outnumbered and you just came out of the hospital.
Why did you choose to stay and fight?

On July 03 2013 05:28 gonzaw wrote:


Whether you or I get the medic is irrelevant.
I thought that was made clear by me telling you who I was protecting in the thread and you acknowledging it

Also Xfire, damn shame you didn't choose option 2 back on N1. You would have gotten a DT check.
The story made it clear you were outnumbered and you just came out of the hospital.
Why did you choose to stay and fight?