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On June 02 2013 19:08 supersoft wrote: Longer posts and no chats in the thread. pretty cool. Whilst I agree spammy threads can be a chore to read. Personally I find longer posts significantly more difficult to digest and assimilate compare to spammy threads.
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On July 28 2013 13:18 kushm4sta wrote: Yup mocsta scum or else he would have been modkilled. (1/20) Firstly. I was reading the thread as a casual observer so am fully up to date with how the thread has played out.
Secondly. I can understand why it is easy to make a statement as kush made above. However, in this instance it is incorrect. If you want to bicker over "outgaming" the mods. It is equally valid to state that if another town was modkilled, we would be back in lylo.
Thirdly. Has anyone been able to do a vote count analysis on the snb lynch? I recall several said it was worthwhile, but I don't recall reading a detailed conclusion?
Lastly. I have been informed I am masoned with rayn. Rayn I assume there has been dialogue between you and Adam? If so, is anything worth sharing?
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(2/10) Don't forget rayn is confirmed town with a flipped scum pardoner.
Vayne. With an SK about, is your focus this cycle to hunt SK or hunt remaining scum?
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(3/25) Wow. Nice pick up on korynne role pm. I just assumed it was applicable to everything. Hmmm rayn does need to address this.
Mz is essentially confirmed scum with the parity checks. I would prefer we hunt remaining scum though.
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(4/25) Mz.
Suppose that u want us to forgo the parity check outcome based on
A. Ur word B. The possibility of a framer successfully targeting two cycles in a row, and with no evidence a framer exists.
Then why use your 25 posts to proclaim innocence. Would it not be best to openly scum hunt? Who are your leads for SK and remaining 2 scum.
What is your take on the rayn situation?
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(5/25)On July 25 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote:@koshi what makes you so sure I'm scum that you're willing to ignore the mz/Marv dt check to lynch me? + Show Spoiler + Like, seriously no one has made a case on me this entire game except vivax, and that was vivax tunneling into his snap read on me based on my first post (and spoiler alert vivax tunneling is something that happens all the time, and has happened to me before).
I shot ace for a couple of reasons that no one has argued with yet - one is protown (he was playing like scum and I thought he was scum, but he's impossible to lynch) and, true, one is alignment neutral (I like shooting ace) but no one has said yet why that makes me scum.
Ima do a little analysis now. In the sloosh/Marv convo, sloosh claimed that they knew Marv was SK from a cop check. This gives us four possibilities: 1. scum actually do have a role cop check on Marv as SK, as they appear to imply in the sloosh/Marv convo. Best move for town is to lunch Marv and reduce anti town KP. Regardless of whether the 2kp/night so far has been due to scum only having one KP as someone suggested or if we've been lucky with KP overlap/protective roles, best move if we have the SK is to get rid of him. 2. scum knew about the mz/Marv "different" result that was floating around pm land, and that neither of them is scum. In this scenario, presumably either sloosh contacted both Marv and mz, or they read Marv as SK. In this case whether we lynch Marv or mz depends on who we think is more likely to be the SK. If the "different" result was due to a framer, I doubt that scum would have initiated the conversation with Marv, I don't see any benefit to doing that instead of just letting town kill both of them. + Show Spoiler + 3. Marv is scum and the convo was faked. This could have been a response to knowing about the parity check, although I don't see why that would be a better response than just trying to lynch mz, either way the check leads to Marv getting lynched and the "when" just depends on getting people to lynch mz first. I feel like getting us to lynch mz first would be easy if Marv actually started giving a shit, and given how egotistical he can get about his scum play I doubt that would have been an issue. I don't think that is the case. Still, this is a possible scenario where we should obviously lynch Marv. 4. Marv is town, mz is scum, and the convo was initiated in response to scum finding out about the parity check. This is the scenario where we should obviously lynch mz. Still, this is a very high-risk strategy from scum, since it relies on Marv posting the conversation and not having it make him "confirmed" or gain massive town cred. It's also possible but I think this scenario is also unlikely
So here's my conclusion. I think it seems improbable that either of mz or Marv is actually scum. So I think we should lynch Marv for a couple reasons. (1) his play this game doesn't match either his scum or town play. Unless he's been way more active and involved in pms than he has here, it doesn't match his town play (which sometimes looks scummy but always looks leadery) or his scum play (which is quite active as well, and very ego-driven). Therefore, I think he is neither. (2) there's a possibility the scum do have a rolecop and that's why they contacted Marv, in which case they're giving us free information and it would be a shame not to use it. + Show Spoiler + So ##vote: marv
Also inb4 "oh he's hunting SK not scum" well what I'm actually doing is hunting for the most reasonable anti town person I can get you all to lunch instead of mislynching me and trying to work with the cop claim we have so fuck you too. At least I'm still trying despite people in this game being stupid and calling me scum for no good reason, unlike some people in this town
. just wanted to bring this post back to the fore, now we have context of more flips. Snb point2 makes a lot of sense from a Mafia win con perspective.
Also Keep in mind 3 things. 1.Yam, sloosh, snb all tried to push mz at one point or another. This is too orchestrated to be bussing in my opinion.
2. SK can choose godfather instead of bulletproof. Consider that scum have no need for a detective. Role cop on the other hand is a possibility as hinted by snb
3. Given how Marv has acted this game. SK makes a lot of sense. E.g. the discrepancy with Dr.h regarding the alignment of yamato.
From this. Marv is sk and thus mz is town. ≠=======::=======================
So for last 2 mafia... My top read is kush. 1. Known for bussing 2. Has been useless all game. Posts feel most certain when addressing flipped scum players which goes back to point 1. 3. When yam was shot. Only scum knew it was SK, whereas town did not want to entertain notion. Kush immediately is able to consider third party in his thought process whilst proceeding to bus.
On July 20 2013 02:56 kushm4sta wrote: oats - this guy is pretty unreadable. I can see him easily being town or scum. I have definitely seen him act like this as town.
ft - town. his response to aces fake claim was really in depth and townie. go reread it of you think it makes him scummy because honestly it is one of the towniest things in the game.
marv - scum or third party. Really seems like he doesn't give a shit. defended yamato. defended sloosh. said he thought dbz lynch was retarded but did nothing to stop it. The least he should have done is change his cote to sloosh.
sloosh - scum. the dbz lynch was retarded. beyond retarded. like a negative score on the iq test retarded. he claimed and he could PROVE his role the next day. yet he was still lynched. this points to dbz lynch being the scum alternative to the sloosh wagon.
For the other. I want to hear more from rayne. The korynne role pm has made this situation a clusterfuck.
Lastly, I don't think we should lynch Marv this cycle. The existence of SK is clearly putting Mafia under massive pressure which is benefitting town majorly.
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(6/25) Lol mz
I wrote the Marv/mz part way before you made ya post. Just takes forever to copy paste with a tablet for filter diving
Hmmm I like wiggles and kush. Koshi is fixated on VA. Do u prefer kush or va?
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On July 29 2013 11:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: You don't think Meapak's logic is flawed here?
Meapak thinks marv is GF, he is miller -> cop has "different" check on them. MAKES SENSE! Why again are you not voting for Meapak? (8/25) I think this is nitpicking.
Yes the statement is illogical, and I get you are arguing it.
However, consider that you know you are town, and ppl think u have a red check.
Its natural to just throw out things that would make you red... Frame/miller etc.
That's logical of town or scum, and thus I think is nitpicking and certainly does not warrant a vote in isolation.
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(9/25) 1. I am not lynching mz full stop.
As I pointed out earlier, all flipped scum tried to push mz as a lynch throughout both early and mid game. In particular snb. This is relevant because with snb shooting ace, he was basically a goon. There was no benefit to be gained by bussing mz in that situation. Let's give snb some respect here please.
2. You guys all have a hard on for Marv being town, when his explanation for the green check was , he would never choose godfather over bulletproof if the choice existed. Its ironic, because Marv replaced in. The decision would have actually laid with hapa, if SK.
I have played with Marv many times. and personally feel there is a consistency in his town play. whether a great town Marv in Mafia lix..or a struggling town Marv in personality2. His game play this game does not fall into any of those moulds. Regardless, there is no traction here today. Moving on.
3. Kush. My issue here stems from meta and my difficulties with town kush in smurf Mafia. I'm not getting the same vibe at all. personally i feel his filter is more evident of someone throwing rocks from the bench, rather than one trying to actively solve the game. Its disappointing koshi decided to ignore kush meta when throwing my criticisms back at me. Ohh well... We can deal with this next cycle.
4. Rayn. Is standing by not using the power. My suggestion is, if we successfully reduce Mafia down to one. We should auto lynch rayn next cycle. If he is town, he can pardon himself. If SK/???. He will be lynched because he used power
5. I can live with a wiggles lynch this cycle.. His filter reads to me as a blender, and at this point in the game he is essentially afk.
##vote: wiggles
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On July 22 2013 08:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Actually lets make a deal vayne, we lynch sloosh. He flips town, we kill rayn. He flips scum, we kill you. (10/25) Mz. How come u never really followed through with this?
U noted wiggles was suspect for last minute voting Marv when snb was lynched. I'm sure u have noted vayne voted for Marv as well.
Where do u stand currently?
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(11/25) Freudian slip.
Read the quote. Substitute Marv for vayne.
I have done a detailed filter read on both kush and vayne.
I personally don't like kush, but COULD see him as town. Vayne on the other hand has some characteristics that are sounding large bells. Specifically he loves to debate semantics that have no major bearing on scum hunting, and then glosses over game changers. E.g. his reaction the snb firing a vig shot was to pass it off as not alignment indicative.
Where I get stuck with vayne is stuff like pointing out the korynne role pm. I found that really useful because as soon. As a I saw red pardoner I just assumed it was the logic puzzle that solved rayn so never actually read the pm... I guess the converse is that if he was scum, he was already award of korynne deficiency so it was natural to be able to point this out?
I still want a wiggles lynch. Don't get me wrong, he is my focus for lynch. I'm just trying to stimulate more Convo.
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On July 30 2013 01:23 VayneAuthority wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 29 2013 12:42 Mocsta wrote: (11/25) Freudian slip.
Read the quote. Substitute Marv for vayne.
I have done a detailed filter read on both kush and vayne.
I personally don't like kush, but COULD see him as town.. Vayne on the other hand has some characteristics that are sounding large bells. Specifically he loves to debate semantics that have no major bearing on scum hunting, and then glosses over game changers. E.g. his reaction the snb firing a vig shot was to pass it off as not alignment indicative.
Where I get stuck with vayne is stuff like pointing out the korynne role pm. I found that really useful because as soon. As a I saw red pardoner I just assumed it was the logic puzzle that solved rayn so never actually read the pm... I guess the converse is that if he was scum, he was already award of korynne deficiency so it was natural to be able to point this out?
I still want a wiggles lynch. Don't get me wrong, he is my focus for lynch. I'm just trying to stimulate more Convo. I really need posts btw, so if i could get some donations that would be great. if you did read my filter then you saw that I explained in pretty large depth why I saw SnB as not scummy once I put the pieces together. That was obviously wrong. You're pulling a koshi here and not moving on to the present, being static in your reads which is weird since you replaced in. I pointed out the role PM because I thought it showed that rayn had not been being truthful with us but it seems he is upholding that he never pardoned. So I guess there's a 3rd pardoner or he's still lying. Still not sure there but as you said we can take care of the weird shit the following cycle. The fact the vote is so close right now confirms my suspicion that wiggles is just going to lurk and hope for the best since he knows opening his mouth will fuck him like it did SnB. He's gonna try and drop a vote on meapak last second and see if it works. There's no doubt in my mind he's scum at this point. We gave him plenty of time. (12/25)+1 donation to VA As I said before. I'm lynching wiggles. Unfortunately u voted him before me, but I can live with that.
AS for the rest of this response, it's a wrong on many fronts. 1. Instead of addressing the problems, you are going ad hom. This is then continued in discourse with koshi.
2. You still didn't address why you knew the content of the korynne role pm. I explained why I didn't read it, and I think many town would have treated the situation the same as me. You could argue that you read everything in detail, word for word.. but if that was the case. You would have known that my read on you was far from static.
3. Yes the vote is close and I'm concerned about consolidating.
Its why I will only donate to you 1 post. Us debating will do no good to consolidate on wiggles, as both our votes are already there.
##give:VA 1 post
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(14/25) VA Cut the shit 1.U specifically said I'm "pulling a koshi". That is simultaneously dropping koshi credit and associating me with that drop in credit.
2. My problem with your play is that you keep getting involved in brawls of minor co sequence. You just now use that as an excuse to call me static, because u have gone over it before. Yet I could easily say its just as excuse for u to look like u contribute.
3. The snb criteria may have happened many moons ago, but everything in Mafia is about reinterpreting OLD information with NEW flips.
Why are u trying to actively discourage me from rereading the game?
As for ur q. I'm OK with koshi. I think he is an excited townie. I liked his PMS with korynne,. I like rayn. If he was anti-town trying to score town cred early game.. I'm sure his filter would read as flying under the radatr. Its not though. My leap of faith is town. He's self fulfilling anyways, because if 1 Mafia remainsa. Can always lynch rayn. If towqn, he can pardon himself.... As for Marv. I'm stuck with mz. I refuse to think mz is Mafia based on the coordinated bussing. Serial killer is a possibility. Both are standing by the green checks.. I dont like how mz caved and assumed Marv was green though. Its like he pulled out of the conflict and capitulated before it became a shit storm. Whereas I think a townie would most likely have stayed in the shitstorm.
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On July 30 2013 02:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: We're fucking lynching wiggles.
Koshi you made the argument that scum thought marv was sk. You do realize that this contradicts your logic that sk has a green check since scum claimed to have a check that said marv was sk.
I don't like this one bit.
u do nothing most of the cycle, but then choose to pipe up vehemently when your neck is NOT on the noose anymore.
ur throwing shit at koshi, when u r misquoting lol.
scum had information u and Marv are not the same. they assumed based on play, Marv was SK.
I don't like how u r misconstruing this.. in particular after an absence,
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On July 30 2013 02:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Mocsta go back and read my posts. I pulled out specifically so it did NOT become a shit storm. I want to lynch wiggles, not get bogged down in check wifom. (16/25) I know ... that's why its a problem.
town typically trust their own role pm over everything else.
if ur filter read as trusting Marv as green with reason, your response would make sense. instead u take the safe way out and just capitulate... that's actually an anti town thing to do in my book. there is no logical flow for apgiving Marv a green check other than "I'm getting too much heat
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On July 30 2013 02:42 kushm4sta wrote: Anyone need more posts? Also I think we should lynch mz not wiggles. No idea why we are ignoring the check.no idea why we are assuming something is wrong with the checks (17/25) I actually starting to agree with this based kpon the quality of mz recent posting.
I'm off for the next 2 hrs... if the lynch isn't over by then I will reassess where my vote is going.
ciao
p.s. I'm masoned with Marv. apparently Adam masoned him. didnu guys know that?
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On July 30 2013 09:57 VayneAuthority wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 30 2013 02:30 Mocsta wrote: (14/25) VA Cut the shit 1.U specifically said I'm "pulling a koshi". That is simultaneously dropping koshi credit and associating me with that drop in credit.
2. My problem with your play is that you keep getting involved in brawls of minor co sequence. You just now use that as an excuse to call me static, because u have gone over it before. Yet I could easily say its just as excuse for u to look like u contribute.
3. The snb criteria may have happened many moons ago, but everything in Mafia is about reinterpreting OLD information with NEW flips.
Why are u trying to actively discourage me from rereading the game?
As for ur q. I'm OK with koshi. I think he is an excited townie. I liked his PMS with korynne,. I like rayn. If he was anti-town trying to score town cred early game.. I'm sure his filter would read as flying under the radatr. Its not though. My leap of faith is town. He's self fulfilling anyways, because if 1 Mafia remainsa. Can always lynch rayn. If towqn, he can pardon himself.... As for Marv. I'm stuck with mz. I refuse to think mz is Mafia based on the coordinated bussing. Serial killer is a possibility. Both are standing by the green checks.. I dont like how mz caved and assumed Marv was green though. Its like he pulled out of the conflict and capitulated before it became a shit storm. Whereas I think a townie would most likely have stayed in the shitstorm. 1 and 2 contradict each other here, you criticize me in 2 for getting into little brawls or whatever but you specifically want to argue semantics with me in 1. Not that that is alignment indicative but it is pretty annoying tbh, especially when I can hear the accusatory tone in your post. I'm actively discouraging you from re-reading the game because you are not using it to your advantage, just flinging shit at me with age old manure. I really doubt rayn can pardon himself, that would be pretty dumb. We don't even know if he's actually a pardoner at this point with how secretive he's been lately. besides fighting with me and a few snide comments he's been much less active than before. (19/25) VA
there u go again. enter the ring, attempt to enable an intelligent debate, and finish with derogatory comments. if u don't want to call it ad hom, whatever. whether my criticism of your play is age old manure, or pulling a koshi. it doesn't matter. why? because u r still not addressing the crux. ..... iirc, u were slammed for glossing over snb ace shot before snb flipped. I'm slamming u for it, with post flip knowledge. two completely different situations.
anyhoo. now that wiggles seems set...u are also potentially slandering the name of rayn. who do u prefer as anti town.
kush or rayn, or both?
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On July 30 2013 11:03 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 10:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: kushmasta do you think Wiggles is town? no. different between being 70% sure and 95% sure (20/25) please extrapolate this.
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(21/25) wiggles
I don't k ow how long to the lynch, but tell me more about your read on kush.
what is setting off alarm bells?? why do u think koshi is innocent?
also did u notice in ya limited filter, day1, u openly asked questions to yam/sloosh/snb that allowed them to answer unimportant questions and enable them to blend in?
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On July 30 2013 12:14 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 11:14 Mocsta wrote:On July 30 2013 11:03 kushm4sta wrote:On July 30 2013 10:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: kushmasta do you think Wiggles is town? no. different between being 70% sure and 95% sure (20/25) please extrapolate this. higher chance for mz due to check ofc... why the fuck do i have to extrapolate something that is so obvious (22/25) I actually wanted to know how/what/why your confidence increased from 70% to 95%.
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On July 30 2013 12:43 kushm4sta wrote: huh? wiggles is 70 mz is 95 (22/25) oh OK misread.
regardless, if wiggles is only 70%
what do u make of his last post throwing shit on kush as last scum yet voting Marv....
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(23/25) wigglesa.
u said kush is ya best lead.
I'm probing him, and u openly object?
THATS weird.. don't know what to make if this until your flip...
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(24/25) I'm actually in Hawaii so can't atop probing that down under pressure.
tropical storm is imminent in a couple hours
no shit.
anyways, shouldn't lynch deadline be up? kush aren't u concerned about wiggles about-turn?
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On July 30 2013 13:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Then probe away, and as deeply as your heart desires. I just thought the question was silly, considering my post where I said much the same to MZ. (25/25) wiggles, the question was addressed to kush, not you.
regardless ofnwhetehr u think the question has merit, it was asked with purpose. thus, kush does need to address's it.
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On July 30 2013 14:38 Ace wrote: host apathy? *yawn*
wiggz, I doubt rayn will pardon u
feel like giving us ya alignment? technically u were lynched a couple he's ago
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(1/10) u guys are jumping around accusing everyone and it does is to create an environment of zero trust.
there are 4 town left, so clearly there are some we can treust.
please, if you want to accuse people then bring out the quote evidence that actually suggests they are scum.
yes.. it sucks wiggles was town... some might say, if vayne was ya #2 read and voted wiggles, why would you follow. fair question. I voted wiggles because I didn't like the timing of the afk, and I felt if scum, vayne had no issues to bus and he already voted snb, sloosh etc. so wiggles would be no different.
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(2/10) vayne
everyone knows kush LOVES to be right and LOVES to bus. do u find it oddnhe declared wiggles as 70% scum, but wouldn't justify it?
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(3/10) BTW guys, why are we holding so much value into these checks?
what happened to traditional scum hunting? and then use checks to support a read?
clearly with two parity check cops, there got to be a way to fool the system, with either framers or gk/millers.
so please, let's stop saying there are green checks going around, or different checks. we need reads substantiates by folders and general play for Marv/mz etc,
here's a question for everyone. why do u think Marv waited so long before voting wiggles? why do u think mz keeps trying to martyr instead of up his game? why do u think koshi suddenly acting in panic mode?
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On July 30 2013 23:25 kushm4sta wrote: 4 town 2 mafia 1 sk We are fine. Just lynch mz next if he doesn't already get killed by the opposing anti town faction.
After mz I'm not really sure who I want to lynch next. It's between mocsta and vayne I think. Koshi or Rayne are possible sks but I think it's better to lynch someone who has the possibility of being either scum or sk. Following my logic here? (4/10) nah I'm not following the logic here actually.
u have listed everyone in the game, EXCEPT Marv
did I just not post above, we shouldn't hold so much value in the checks... yes I did.
so explain/justify to me. pl0x what makes koshi a potential SK and other than check, why would Marv be a confirmed town.., the only probable townie INA game with 4 town left....
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(5/10) sorry for post flood. I'm out all day, and no idea when deadline is. here is my pm logs with marv
I'm on tablet so sorry for format + Show Spoiler +moc hmm that sucks... Marv I want to figure this game out, but the way u talk to me is so apathetic. what's up?
now, yesterday ubwere trying lead me on to koshi. thoughts now with his posts post-flip? Original Message From marvellosity: I don't know. The biggest issue with Wiggles is that he waltzed in yesterday and dropped his vote on me.
I have enough respect for Wiggles as a player to think that as town he should have been voting for the really obvious scum s&b, not me.
Hide nested quote - Original Message From Mocsta: if wiggles is scum, what do u make of his "goodbye" post. I.e what's the point of it?
Original Message From marvellosity: i'm not sure why people are expecting such things from me in this sort of game. I specifically didn't originally join because this game wasn't for me. Then I forgot that apparently when I agreed to replace in.
I talked about koshi/kush (more koshi) when i was arguing with koshi earlier.
I say kush because as you know kush LOVES to be right. And it was Koshi and kush who were specifically pushing korynne as mafia last cycle. So mentality wise, kush shooting korynne to 'prove' he's right would fit quite nicely.
still, not gonna worry about it too much for now
Original Message From Mocsta: I missed the part with koshi or kush as SK actually. is that descent or before I replaced in?
kush is certainly mores of an annoyance typically. ohh well need this wiggles flip. his last post read like an eulogy. I'm happy with that lynch be a use his last effort was like snb. offer up SK as viable alternative. that's inherent guilt to me.
so I don't get it Marv. here we are pm.n.. how come u aren't trying to be a driving force public ally?
Original Message From marvellosity: like i said in thread, i think he's town but i can't explain why. I can't really put up a good argument to disgaree with a check other than feels.
i was serious in thread about the koshi/kush thing for SK. Especially Korynne makes a tonne of sense coming from kush.
Original Message From Mocsta: do u think mz is SK, or working off alternative solution to the parity check?
Original Message From marvellosity: that doesn't even mean anything.
Original Message From Mocsta: let me know when u r ready to play the game, instead of play the people.
Original Message From marvellosity: no point substantiating when your grip on basic deduction is so limited dear.
Original Message From Mocsta: like I said. your call.
I'm asking for substantiated points of view. and you are completely unwilling to oblige.
any who...Original Message From marvellosity: Because you're insane. It's not productive like i said in thread, i think he's town but i can't explain why. I can't really put up a good argument to disgaree with a check other than feels.
i was serious in thread about the koshi/kush thing for SK. Especially Korynne makes a tonne of sense coming from kush.
Original Message From Mocsta: do u think mz is SK, or working off alternative solution to the parity check?
Hide nested quote - Original Message From marvellosity: that doesn't even mean anything.
Original Message From Mocsta: let me know when u r ready to play the game, instead of play the people.
Original Message From marvellosity: no point substantiating when your grip on basic deduction is so limited dear.
Original Message From Mocsta: like I said. your call.
I'm asking for substantiated points of view. and you are completely unwilling to oblige.
any who...
Original Message From marvellosity: Because you're insane. It's not productive.
Original Message From Mocsta: lol then don't. no1 is forcing u.
so I asked before if u think vayne is like kush.
u said vayne is too scummy to be scum
the natural take is that kush then is in the scum category.now u say he is town n don't want to talk to me.
hmmmm, will leave the return in your court
Original Message From marvellosity: i think he's town. Not sure I should be talking to you though.
Original Message From Mocsta: opinion in kush
Original Message From marvellosity: what drugs are you on? i want some Original Message From Mocsta: lol still waiting for last component. u know
the Meister of the tush
Hide nested quote - Original Message From marvellosity: ok, you're fullblown retard. Read the fucking thread and understand how I CANNOT BE THE SK. Jesus fuck.
Original Message From Mocsta: Lol. I'm one of the easiest ppl to read in the game... Even as a smurf. That shit don't fly here Marv.
Seriously though, I respect the shots on scum. That's the SK still showing the scum hunting/town nous. And doing a better job than town at it too.
Look u k ow mz better than me, but let's be real here. Do u truly think he has the skills to claim those two shots? I don't think so.
I think only one person has those skills. You
======= Now when I asked if vayne is kush in disguise. U responded via is too scum to be scum.
What is ur read on kush then?
Original Message From marvellosity: me being scum makes zero sense, you need to read the thread if you think that's a legitimate possibility ...
me being SK also makes no sense, which you'd also understand if you read the thread.
god. trouble with you is i can never tell if you're being scummy or just nuts.
Original Message From Mocsta: Luckily ur hands are small, so the backhand compliment doesn't sting.
U know what they about small hands...... Small gloves.
I have a funny theory on the SK Ur scum gf, and mz IS SK Explains a few things EXCEPT
The quality of the SK kills. Im lynching wiggles today so don't worry, but I think you deserve praised for ya scum hunting play this game. Shooting 2 scummers, that's pretty damn awesome. Seriously is there anyone in this game currently with the skill to do that, other than yourself? Serious kudos I think. And no this isn't sarcastic, I see no value in lynching an SK that is clearly getting kicks out of hunting scum.
Original Message From marvellosity: Vayne is pretty craycray. Seems too craycray to be mafia in my opinion.
It was indeed you (adam) who initiated. Don't worry, Hapa lumped me with being masoned to yamato
Original Message From Mocsta: Hmmm when I joined, mods said I was masoned with rayn and had 1 mason left.
I assumed it was me who initiated. Oihh well I will treat this as my use of mason.
So is vayne a kush in disguise?
Original Message From marvellosity: No no. Adam masoned me ages ago So by extension we're masoned still.
Original Message From Mocsta: I know. But why me?
Its quite late in the cycle?
Original Message From marvellosity: Fuck this, I'm an idiot. We're masoned you know.
in case I die. my best guess is Marv as SK , and he was role checked by scum. the layabout check was just ice on the cake.
kush as scum#1
i am uncertain about scum#2. ciao
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On July 31 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol, Mocsta confirmed scum. There is a green check on marv. That means he can´t be the SK unless SK has a check immunity, in which case scum can´t have a SK check on him.
SK shoot Mocsta. (6/10) my kayak trip was cancelled
rayn. throw the checks out the window and explain to me three solid reasons why Marv is confirmed town over anyone else playing...
I double dare you.
also, I want to know why u are content to sit on the sidelines and call me scum, when we are masoned and u have made no effort to dialogue with me. if u thought Adam was scummy, why have u not tried to ascertain my alignment...,
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On July 31 2013 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: What, i think marv is scum? (7/10) ??? I don't know what u think Marv is.
I said I think he is SK u said he has a green check, so my thinking makes me scum, and ask SK to shoot me.
if u think Marv is anti town, u shouldn't care if I think he is Mafia otr SK.. its still anti town, so natural deduction is u calling me scum because u think Marv green check makes him town
hence, I want to know 3 reasons bpwhy Marv is town, none of them being the green check... its pretty simple
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On July 25 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@koshi what makes you so sure I'm scum that you're willing to ignore the mz/Marv dt check to lynch me? Like, seriously no one has made a case on me this entire game except vivax, and that was vivax tunneling into his snap read on me based on my first post (and spoiler alert vivax tunneling is something that happens all the time, and has happened to me before).
I shot ace for a couple of reasons that no one has argued with yet - one is protown (he was playing like scum and I thought he was scum, but he's impossible to lynch) and, true, one is alignment neutral (I like shooting ace) but no one has said yet why that makes me scum.
Ima do a little analysis now. In the sloosh/Marv convo, sloosh claimed that they knew Marv was SK from a cop check. This gives us four possibilities: 1. scum actually do have a role cop check on Marv as SK, as they appear to imply in the sloosh/Marv convo. Best move for town is to lunch Marv and reduce anti town KP. Regardless of whether the 2kp/night so far has been due to scum only having one KP as someone suggested or if we've been lucky with KP overlap/protective roles, best move if we have the SK is to get rid of him. 2. scum knew about the mz/Marv "different" result that was floating around pm land, and that neither of them is scum. In this scenario, presumably either sloosh contacted both Marv and mz, or they read Marv as SK. In this case whether we lynch Marv or mz depends on who we think is more likely to be the SK. If the "different" result was due to a framer, I doubt that scum would have initiated the conversation with Marv, I don't see any benefit to doing that instead of just letting town kill both of them. 3. Marv is scum and the convo was faked. This could have been a response to knowing about the parity check, although I don't see why that would be a better response than just trying to lynch mz, either way the check leads to Marv getting lynched and the "when" just depends on getting people to lynch mz first. I feel like getting us to lynch mz first would be easy if Marv actually started giving a shit, and given how egotistical he can get about his scum play I doubt that would have been an issue. I don't think that is the case. Still, this is a possible scenario where we should obviously lynch Marv. 4. Marv is town, mz is scum, and the convo was initiated in response to scum finding out about the parity check. This is the scenario where we should obviously lynch mz. Still, this is a very high-risk strategy from scum, since it relies on Marv posting the conversation and not having it make him "confirmed" or gain massive town cred. It's also possible but I think this scenario is also unlikely So here's my conclusion. I think it seems improbable that either of mz or Marv is actually scum. So I think we should lynch Marv for a couple reasons. (1) his play this game doesn't match either his scum or town play. Unless he's been way more active and involved in pms than he has here, it doesn't match his town play (which sometimes looks scummy but always looks leadery) or his scum play (which is quite active as well, and very ego-driven). Therefore, I think he is neither. (2) there's a possibility the scum do have a rolecop and that's why they contacted Marv, in which case they're giving us free information and it would be a shame not to use it.So ##vote: marvAlso inb4 "oh he's hunting SK not scum" well what I'm actually doing is hunting for the most reasonable anti town person I can get you all to lunch instead of mislynching me and trying to work with the cop claim we have so fuck you too. At least I'm still trying despite people in this game being stupid and calling me scum for no good reason, unlike some people in this town. (8/10) rayn I'm burning a post for you. I reread ya post, and think i realise our differences with the checks.
I think scum have a role cop and got Marv checked as SK without the layabout parity check.
I think the parity check - which they were aware of from the kyronne leak- was a useful tool to get town onto SK possibility. I haven't re read pm logsa, but it would be cxurious if kyronne suggested cop to parity check marv
look, I posted this from snb before .,, but I think it makes a lot of sense from Mafia. u know u r guilty, u know ppl want to vote u. how do u survive? one way is to offer a better alternative, and as Mafia. sk is a sacrifice they love to offer because its win win for Mafia. they live longer and get rid of massive threat. its because of this survival mentality that I believe snb was speaking truth here.
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(9/10) heading out to lunch, and no idea when deadline is.
rereading game, and up to page 22, just a couple pages off day1 lynch.
this is my current thoughts in case I'm dead.
kush.. scum... posts nothing other than the sloosh nitpick post, and gets offended when it is ignored, this is trade mark kush has to be right play.
vayne.. town.. I like his interactions with sloosh. you can argue scum knew they could pardon scum, so could fake aggression.. but two points... we don't k ow if scum can pardon scum, and, the aggression read real and j quisitive to me.
rayn.. town.. so damntownie day1 and I forgot he was silenced. made sense because he was building up a pm network with flipped townies. also too polarising in hunting scum to be 3p
koshi.. looks real bad, based on day1did nothing except copy the ve/malongo vote. plays the newbie card as well. problem is, sloosh has some dialogue with him that read to me as genuinely trying to convince koshi to swap from malongo to ve..., I can't tell if he's just a noob or expert scum,.
hapa.., reads real bad, trying to achieve nothing Marv... actually reads good to me, and is straight onto sloosh. I have a pm where Marv says he never really wanted to play this game,and that's why he is apathetic..., if I just look at day1 play I can believe this... I can also believe a wiggles vote as payback..,,, I know I called Marv SK before... but I'm not sure right now. as of day1 I prefer Marv as town than koshi
mz.. looks TERRiBLE.. abrasive, throws out comments with no follow ups etc. no willingness to help town. receives light meaningless pressure fkipped scum...
so the conclusion town: rayn and vayne
scum: kush and mz/koshi
3p: Marv/mz
I think kush and mz need to be next 2 lynches. over and out, won't bother reading anymore unless I'm still alive.
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On July 31 2013 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +Original Message From Mocsta: really given up this game?
so what if ppl day2 thought u was scum, they have all flipped.
what's important is that *I* think you are town. if u still give two shits, lemme know so I can run some stuff past ya One hour until the flip. Seems like trying to buy town credit to me. (10/10) how about I said u and vayne are my town reads, and u posting u have given up..
seriously dude...its pretty straight forward
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(1/25) thanks Marv. I love u.
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(2/25) sorry Marv, said that in haste
I meant to say
I like koshi as scum2 based on how upset he got when I called kush scum yesterday. will need to reread korynne pm logs though.
and I would rather vote mz than vote Marv currently.
vayne, do u have a preference?
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On July 31 2013 12:16 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 12:14 Mocsta wrote: (2/25) sorry Marv, said that in haste
I meant to say
I like koshi as scum2 based on how upset he got when I called kush scum yesterday. will need to reread korynne pm logs though.
and I would rather vote mz than vote Marv currently.
vayne, do u have a preference? dude, kush bussed his partners every single day. Look at who he was on yesterday. its obvious as fuck LOL. (3/25) yeah, I get that logic, and mz as last scum is feasible
I don't fully get the rayn kill. after all he didn't suspect kush? unless scum were too scared of the pardon.
I'm guessing SK gf/bp may have been replaced by an ability to pardon lol
I still want to do a full reread before being comfortable with my stance on koshi though. I got 48hrs
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(4/25) koshi, maybe.. my problem is how u went full retard after wiggles lynch.
the only saving grace is that rayn went full retard as well.
if u r town, get back into thebthrwad and start trying to show me ur thought process.
great ubthink mz is SK, Marv is a gfd.., why? build a case or something
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On July 19 2013 10:20 kushm4sta wrote: gotta say I agree with vivax's opinion on marv. He was soft defending sloosh in our PMs. Also he says he thought the DBZ lynch was retarded yet he did nothing to stop it. (5/25) vayne/koshi
what u think of this?
importantly it is made during night1... so no scum role cop or town parity check info was released
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On August 01 2013 01:12 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote:Meapak (6/25) hold up cowboy
1. do u think koshi masoning vivax is a town or scummy thing to do?
I lean one way if koshi is noon, and one way if koshi is experienced.., need help here
2. are u calling mz Mafia with that vote?
I actually like Marv as final scum... I have 3 kush posts telling the threwad to lynch Marv. and there's also a post where Marv details his PMS with yam, and refers to him as obvious townie etc.
3. current count is 3 town, 1 Mafia, 1 SK if town mislynches, we go into kingmaker scenario I'm not saying mz is town, I'm asking why u would rather lynch him over Marv?
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(7/25) right, so basically u feel more confident mz is anti town vs Marv?
hhmmm, I'm equally sure both are anti town, so walk me through why u are concenprned about my play?
when I came into the game, even replacing an afk lurker.. I wasn't up for contention... why would I as SK try and actively solve this game?
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the way I see the game is this.
koshi is playing innocent noon town you and I play a similar town game, in the sense of get into peoples faces. I refuse to think you are SK, and u r certainly not scum. the fact that its only u and me trying to figure this out a deeply suggests we are both town regardless.
this leaves Marv and mz as final two anti town... I don't care who is scum or SK, I just am certain both are anti town.
whosws harder to lynch in general... mz or Marv? my concern is... if we lynch mz... and Marv shoots you or me... that we might not be able to convince koshi to vote with us, as he seems to be a kindred spirit...
that is why I prwgere Marv over mz...
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On August 01 2013 01:53 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote: Vayne is town, Mocsta is SK. Koshi is town. This game is solved as far as I'm concerned.
Mocsta is constantly and consistently pushing me as SK with no rational basis. It makes literally no sense unless he's the SK himself. I'll vote MZ with you though Vayne.
##Unvote ##Vote: MZ That actually makes a lot of sense now that I think about it. SK in this scenario would try to push obvious town, then with 4 left hes protected by his BP vest so he just has to hope scum shoots town and he can guess shoot the last mafia freely. I don't see any other reason for him to push such an unlikely scum candidate (9/25) firstly, if u r referring to me pushing Marv.. that means u think he is unlikely antitown? when previously u said SK could be me or him.
secondly, you yourself said that scum should have role cop left... who pardoned sloosh then? it's not ideal to assume motives are based on things you can not prove, I.e, bp vest
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On August 01 2013 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:54 Mocsta wrote: the way I see the game is this.
koshi is playing innocent noon town you and I play a similar town game, in the sense of get into peoples faces. I refuse to think you are SK, and u r certainly not scum. the fact that its only u and me trying to figure this out a deeply suggests we are both town regardless.
this leaves Marv and mz as final two anti town... I don't care who is scum or SK, I just am certain both are anti town.
whosws harder to lynch in general... mz or Marv? my concern is... if we lynch mz... and Marv shoots you or me... that we might not be able to convince koshi to vote with us, as he seems to be a kindred spirit...
that is why I prwgere Marv over mz... 2 scenarios for me I'm gonna try and work with you on this ok we flip MZ and he's scum. Marv would have to be a godfather SK role which is extremely unlikely. if he actually rolled that and got the parity cop checks like that then he deserves to win due to sheer luck. ok we flip MZ and he's SK. Marv would have to be godfather last scum and have faked those sloosh PMs and a bunch of other crazy shit. If he actually went through all that then so be it, but I can't believe that for a second. (10/25)
thanks for continuing the discussion
1. kush started bussing sloosh, yam day1. and made references to vote Marv several times. it wasn't until after the Marv/mz parity check that kush started posting about mz
2. just because scum hinted role cop doesn't mean they have it. I get what u mean with sloosh PMS, butbheck that's kept Marv in the game... I mean if u were town and someone pm u to call u SK.., do untjink u would have reacted as apathetic as Marv? the whole thing smells bogus to me
3. in regards to the green check against ft.. how much do we trust oats parity check.. he admitted he didn't submit night 2... do parity checks even work if u forget to submit??
4. if SK can choose gf, just remember the choice was with hapa not Marv.
5. did u read my PMS with Marv.. he's not trying to figure out anything... common man, he clearly doesn't care about the game, but now comes out of the woodworks to lay down a vote...
I can admit that mz play is in general more abysmal than Marv. however, I just can't see how u can say my play is more abysmal than Marv's.
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On August 01 2013 02:05 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 02:01 Mocsta wrote:On August 01 2013 01:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 01 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote: Vayne is town, Mocsta is SK. Koshi is town. This game is solved as far as I'm concerned.
Mocsta is constantly and consistently pushing me as SK with no rational basis. It makes literally no sense unless he's the SK himself. I'll vote MZ with you though Vayne.
##Unvote ##Vote: MZ That actually makes a lot of sense now that I think about it. SK in this scenario would try to push obvious town, then with 4 left hes protected by his BP vest so he just has to hope scum shoots town and he can guess shoot the last mafia freely. I don't see any other reason for him to push such an unlikely scum candidate (9/25) firstly, if u r referring to me pushing Marv.. that means u think he is unlikely antitown? when previously u said SK could be me or him. secondly, you yourself said that scum should have role cop left... who pardoned sloosh then? it's not ideal to assume motives are based on things you can not prove, I.e, bp vest yea I had a sort of revelation then as to why you might be doing this, doesn't have to be correct. I was wrong about the oats/marv thing. At this point, as I pointed out in my post above. YES, I find it very hard for marv to be antitown given those 2 scenarios. It's way too ridiculous. The sloosh pardon is still a mystery, can't wait for endgame to see wtf happened there since rayn was actually town. BP SK is the most common form of it, so I think it's safe to assume that. (11/25) gg then.
seriously I'm pissed off now. I'm on vacation and wasting my mornings playing this game, to nail scum like koshi and fick. get called an SK for it.
u have made it clear where ubstand, and that's not going to change in 5minutes. my suggestion is fornu to read my filter.. if u think that is an anti town filter, then remember in the future that the simplist solution is often the correct one.
I'm flkying today anyways and the tropical storm has passed, so regardless my time for Mafia is reduced. I'm taking a stand and will vote Marv.
##vote: Marv
BTW, do u like how Marv keeps throwing shit but doesn't post the pm evidence.. anyways, ciao
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On August 01 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote: what does he mean by can we trust the oats check? he flipped town parity cop @_@ vayne. parity cop requires to select a target night x... and a compare target night x+1.
oats checked ft night1 and Marv night3.
that doesn't fit the x+1 formula...I actually am not sure if the check is valid, and u should *know* that is my genuine thought regardless of alignment.
p.s. u like how Marv isnsuddenly going full ad hom and showing interest, funny that.
peace out anyways, I hope u make the right decision
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On August 01 2013 02:34 marvellosity wrote: Where on earth does it say anything about x+1? Go read the role PMs. It just says that parity cop checks come in 2s and gives an example. Nowhere does it say you don't get a check if you forget to send in your check. You're literally making things up as you go along. my issue with this parity check was from before I joined the game.
typical parity role pm as from Mafia lxii
Parity Cop You are the parity cop! Instead of receiving "Innocent" or "Guilty" your targets will be compared for Alignment. On Night 1 you will receive no result. Every night after, the new person you investigate will be compared with the person you investigated the prior night. If they are all of the same alignment you will receive "Same" otherwise you will receive "Different". Unfortunately due to your low budget, your investigations can be fooled by a framer or godfather.
my issue is it compares current target to previous night. if oats forgot to check night2, my interpretation is that he should never have received a check back on the night3.
oats pm Oatsmaster the Parity Cop has died. [quote]You are a parity cop! You win with the Town! Each night you can check the alignment of one player. The following night you will be able to check another player and get “same” if they are the same alignment or “different” if they are different alignments. Every 2 checks resets, IE: Day 1 you check X, Day 2 you check Y. You get result of “Same”. Your day 3 check on Z would not yield a result until the day 4 check where another “Same” or “different” would be given
its possible the 2 check as reset allows a missing night2 to return a check, but its still not 100% clear cut.
============ regardless my point us not to argue incessantly semantics such as this. it is to establish that the remaining town players a need to scum hunt, and not put so much faith in checks when it is not clear whether framer/godfather is in play.
vayne/koshi.
have u not noticed Marv change in attitude this cycle? trying to spam away posts, going full ad hom, making accusations with no proof to back it up? he's playing to what u want to hear.
let me repeat... anti town have to push a town mislynch this cycle. put the green check away, explain how my approach to the game is scummish or anti town...
can u honestly say I'm trying to not figure this game out transparently?
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On August 01 2013 02:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey guys the time to lynch me was three days ago when I offered.
The real question you a should be asking yourself right now is with the thread set on lynching me, why does mocsta want to kill marv. its simple
Marv is anti town.. I prefer Mafia over SK personally.
I expect to be night killed, and thus, also expect Marv to convince the remaining two town to vote for each other by playing to their egos as he is currently.
I.e. we lose.
what I'm confident of is that if anti town Marv is lynched, then it doesn't matter which town are left. the victory is assured by lynching mz.
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On August 01 2013 04:55 VayneAuthority wrote: that seems so backwards, you are way more scared of marv than you need to be. If MZ flips SK I will put a lot more thought into marv. He is the much safer lynch here.
If we lynch marv and he is town wtf would you do at that point? You still don't know what MZ or koshi is.
I don't see why you want to make the really unlikely lynch before the obvious lynch. OK this is what I needed to hear and can live with lynching mz this cycle.
will swap vote in threwad now
p.s. I'm not scared of marv. at all... I'm scared of Marv if I am not around, but u have shown willingness to consider him so I feel better about the situation
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On August 01 2013 04:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Lets play a mind game. Imagine I am *gasp* not scum for a moment.
Actually think about it this way. Scum have to get the SK lynched today. Now I am town so normaly in a situation where there is a "red" check on a townie there will be no disagreement because it's a good way for all parties to appear protown. So with that in mind ask yourself "why is there any resistance to my lynch." This day should have been open and shut, yet there is still debate. Why? The remaining scum knows I'm not the sk and are trying to get the real sk lynched without blowing their cover. The sk is trying to do the same thing.
Under normal circumstamces a bad check on a townie is a dream come true for anti town players. Why has this opportunity not been exploited.
anti town need to get anyone lynched but themselves.. in fact i think it is preferable for anti town to lynch the other antitoqn, because they eliminate the risk of being night killed.....however they also need to assess this risk against the possibility of a town circle forming.
but I will say it doesn't make sense that u r Mafia to me. yamato posts/PMS tried to set u up as a backup lynch to VE pretty hard as early as day1. considering sloosh was a goon, its clear yamato doesn't like to bus with the effort he put in to save sloosh. hence, it's highly unlikely u r Mafia in my book.
SK in the other hand, does make sense. ur play is certainly not conducive to scum hunting, yet u have been too much of a pest to be blendy Mafia as well. if u r town... I will have to do a Dr.h and quit playing forum Mafia.
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On July 20 2013 18:59 marvellosity wrote: We probably need to be lynching s&b for that shot.
First, kholly.
##Vote: kholly this is one of the reasons I think Marv is Mafia.
this reminds me if personality2, u tunnel a guy into oblivion and use it as an excuse to glances over game changers.
I actually respect Marv's play, so its hard to fathom how a town Marv could acknowledge the scumminess of snb action, and simultaneously neglect it because of "its chezinu"
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On July 21 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote: You're ok Koshi. I'm your guardian angel for now <3
##Donate kushm4sta: 2 posts
Vayne, I don't really like much of anything you posted there about kholly/s&b/layabout etc. I don't think it's scummy, just not good. In my opinion it's a massive mistake to write a terrible shot off as "he's apathetic" because it's too easy. At the very least massive, massive pressure should be applied to s&b for what he did. lol more Mafia mindsaet.
here Marv condemns VA for his approach to the snb shit which is fair enough... however the important take is that Marv is giving advice and then sitting on his arse.
if snb needs pressure, them surely scum hunting extraordinarie Marv should lead that pressure.. but he does not
just wants to sit in the bench, and give posts to flipped scum....
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On July 21 2013 23:26 Koshi wrote: Strongandbig/SloOsh The case from Vivax is good and I believe him. Strongandbig deserves to be shot for that shot on Ace. Town SloOsh, please try your best from now on to help us. Because the next lynch is already very important for town and we don't want to be wrong. If you are scum SloOsh, please keep doing nothing and we will lynch you.
There is currently more discussion around SnB than on SloOsh. I guess with this pardon that scum is going to push Sloosh again, even if the guy is scum. There are another 72 hours left, let's lynch between SnB and Sloosh. But let's lynch the guy that is the most useful for town to make conclusions from. A lot of comments here are "let's lynch SloOsh no matter what", I would like to remind these people that there 72 hours in front of us and a lot SHOULD happen in those 72 hours.
I still got 1 Mason left. Nobody masoned me so I didn't know where to write this down. I guess here is a good place. Marvellosity/Vivax (This could be a scumteam, and if they are I am in the middle of it.) Marvellosity I expect a list from you this night, because you are a giant scum target. Putting only kholly on it is not sufficient. I even dislike you for going so hard after kholly. Vivax Some healthy suspicion because we are masoned. As soon as we see some of those target of you flip red you will be very towny for me.
For the reasons I have given to Vivax (but I don't want to repeat it in this thread) Kholly
I am also liking Malongo his latest posts.
DH was very towny for me but now with the whole FT debacle... Back to null. I don't understand koshi here.
previously vivax released logs with koshi, where koshi quickly drops his scum reads and agrees with vivax. now he says vivax is a scum read... even though vivax is pushing snb who koshi is trying to push.... I don't get this
I also have a problem with koshi absence from the thread... one thing I know in these end game situations is that town typically don't afk unless its a rage quit...
koshi, please explain to me what was going through your head in the above
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On July 24 2013 07:43 kushm4sta wrote: you brought it to the thread in a misguided attempt to look town.
Why would scum go to you if they didn't get a check on you? You didn't look particularly like sk. BTW vayne.
I love a flipped scum kush.
this is him stwaight after Marv posted the sloish pm.
wanna know what's interesting with the sloish PMS?
1. throws up koshi as we know 2. sloosh shows interest in protecting rayn, which is why I think this was staged... we know now rayn was town 3. koryenne was in the mason circle so scum already knew about the mz/Marv check........
what I'm saying is.., yes, the pm Congo was staged to pre empt the parity check release...
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thnx koshi.. I'm unsure what "you 2"means though?
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hey koshi
I don't believe I called u scum. I was under the impression I whave been nominating mz as SK, and Marv as final scum.
my queries with u, were related to due diligence regarding the final townies remaining. I.e koshi/VA/mocsta.
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On August 01 2013 19:55 marvellosity wrote:This may or may not be relevant, but I told Mocsta during the night phase that I thought kush was SK, and he wound up dead. Show nested quote +Original Message From Mocsta: I like this pm from u. I really do. gotta go, speak post flip Original Message From marvellosity: i'm not sure why people are expecting such things from me in this sort of game. I specifically didn't originally join because this game wasn't for me. Then I forgot that apparently when I agreed to replace in.
I talked about koshi/kush (more koshi) when i was arguing with koshi earlier.
I say kush because as you know kush LOVES to be right. And it was Koshi and kush who were specifically pushing korynne as mafia last cycle. So mentality wise, kush shooting korynne to 'prove' he's right would fit quite nicely.
still, not gonna worry about it too much for now
this is such a load of insinuating crap... my first post of reads listed kush as my top read...... I was chasing u in the PMS for a comment of kush and it was a major struggle to get anything out if you.
≠======== serious question. that has an important followup
where u masoned with kush?
we already know u were masoned with yam, sloosh, Adam who for some reason gave u oats/rayn PMS.
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mz is certainly not town.
he starts off by giving a spiel of how to play good town and establish innocence.
then tries to throw shit on me... when I'm the only person in this game left still trying to figure it out by rereading querying people? this is just dumb.
koshi is town.... I'm sure of this because of his continued naievity and happiness in play is not something mafia, especially new mafia can fake for so long.... i can't see him as SK either.. newbie 3p tend to lurk from my experience
mocsta.. is clearly town, and anyone calling me scum is stupid, except Marv who can hide behind omgus.
vayne... has said some really really dumb things throightout the game... but has been consistent with what he has believed in and I like that... it reminds me a lot of my older town games... highly confrontation so and often tunneled... though vayne has supported some of the wrong wagons, townies are not always right.. and I like the fact he is still here end game trying to dialogue with me to finish the game vayne as SK is a remote possibility... he's played a town game that allows him to be low on the nk list..., however his conviction to NOT vote ppl pike snb makes me query whether he would have shot yam, korynnem and kush... I prefer to think vayne is confirmed town.
mz.. comes in and constantly martyrs since the parity check..we area talking like 3 cycles in a row or 9 days. seriously what type of townie does that, instead of scum hunting??? why does a town just give up, unless u r Dr.h mz was also the first person to introduce SK in the game, when he faked a check on ace, interestinglyna lot of the scum team jumped all over the comment. highly likely he is the SK, and perhaps I could consider him shooting yamato night1.... after all this is his first post
On July 16 2013 17:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm on my phone so I can't copy paste but a couple posts up this page FirmTofu reponds the correct way to DrH and VE responds to wrong way. Also yamato's last post was absolutely horrible. I will probably use both my masons D1 on people who I feel are town. I'm going to bed now. and bam he is dead.
Marv is left as scum, most likely godfather Scum figured out SK because town dayvig was lynched, night vig was shot and replaced in, so highly unlikely to have taken a shot.. if scum only had 1nk all game, that still points out to SK.. so rolecop isn't needed, its just process of elimination.
as for the logs, I think they are real conversations that were staged. firstly the convoys don't feel natural, and there is no emotional desire to test for alignment or act in disbelief at accusations. this is for both the yam/Marv PMS and the Marv/sloosh PMS. the vivax/Marv PMS are worse. he just agrees with vivax all the time, I read the whole loga and the only time he offers insight is to get vivax off blending scum. then u have Marv showing his true colours yesterday in a flurry of spammy/ad hominem posts designed to be a smear campaign with no factual evidence...u need to ask yourself if a solid player like Marv would act that way in the end game if town., my answer is no... spam, yes... ad him, yes... factual evidence, definitely if Marv was town ======= as I said before, I can live with lynching mz first. but this game is a basically solved
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lol.. nice debate there.. seems to be your big on the mass debate..... pun intended
==== if I haphazard your sole reasoning that u r town because u said so.
OK.. Marv is still Mafia
explain to me which of koshi/vayne is SK and why...
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vayne.. I have never heard/played koshi before, will check out that game.
if there is uncertainty over mz, where do u stand with Marv?
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On August 02 2013 03:31 VayneAuthority wrote: same thing as I been sayin'
if MZ flips last scum, as he should, then that almost clears marv for me.
if MZ flips SK, then I will be looking into marv pretty hard tomorrow
if MZ flips town, we are fucked =/ but he has done nothing this game and the check and the kush bussing...doubt this happens hmmm I have a problem with this vayne..
have u not read my issues with Marv, if u disagree I want to know why.
I'm on tablet so too hard to copy paste, but seriously.
read the sloosh PMS, then on p62 read the oats/Marv logs.
key difference is when oats says he checked Marv as parity cop.
1. Marv freaks out and asks result instead of being confident in his town role pm 2. Marv asks what night when he knows ft was checked
this is unnatural as town, and also is completely different reaction to when flipped scum sloosh accuses Marv of being SK... more reason to think Convo was stages.
it also suggests Marv is not a godfather, but a framer... I figure this because once he knows ft was night1 he goesnback to being comfortable..
seriously read the logs before u keep saying Marv is town.... I'm gonna be out for rest of day, but hopefully will be back near deadline.
i f mz is an uncertainty because of loshi.. I am more than wiling to consolidate on Marv.. think about it dude
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koshi.. let's swap to Marv. I agree he is the better lynch right now
##vote:Marv
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mz.. I gotta go but swaap ya wasted sole vote on ve to a consolidated vote on Marv pl0x
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On August 02 2013 03:54 VayneAuthority wrote: yea I see the sloosh PMs and as a result you either think
Marv has to be a godfather scum and faked sloosh PMs with him for no fucking reason. And a lot of other crazy shit
Marv has to be godfather SK ---> this is just lolz
No way are you going to get me to vote marv at this point but you don't even need my vote so w/e. I won't be a part of that.
As to your other point, I would be anxious too to be town confirmed by a check so I don't think its weird at all.
i think at this point last scum took MZ's advice and is now going for an SK lynch, but marv is like the last possible person that could be SK, lol unless he got insanely lucky. this is beyond ridiculous. I'm concerned now because u refuse to adapt your position based on fallacious beliefs.
u keep saying I call Marv a gf SK..... if u read what I write I have been calling Marv Mafia for the whole cycle.. like wtf
u r relying too much on events to justify the scum hunting, and not enough on ppl actions. just because u think the PMS are ridiculous doesn't mean a top scum player thinks its ridiculous. since when do all town conform to your ideals of solid townplay? same goes for scum play....
I can't believe u can tell me sits natural to question someone saying they have a parity check on u, but if someone calls u a SK u act non chalant...the issue isn't that he reacted to the check its that once he knew ft was checked night1 he calmed down....
why r u ignoring that all the scum masoned each other? did u know kush was masoned with Marv ffs...
like I get mz looks very certain of being antitown, in my opinion SK... but if u want to throw in koshi as a possibility then Marv is the one that has to be lynched.
currently there are only two votes on Marv, so yes, your vote is needed.. I can't remember what plurarity means, I assume majority
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On August 02 2013 04:58 VayneAuthority wrote: I think there's a higher chance for MZ to be anti town then marv, that's pretty much bottom line.
You know AtE doesn't work on me and just because MZ is resorting to that doesn't mean he's town. It usually just means he has no logical way to get him outself out of his predicament so he has to resort to playing your heart strings. what's ate?
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On August 02 2013 04:55 Koshi wrote: It's just strange everything points at him. Also, all the cases I made in the past about marv are mentioned by mocsta as well. yeah I can't dispute that.
I,m finding that I'm posting as I'm going, and noticing ppl making the same arguments after I posted them
e.g. rayn had the same issues with Marv I did.
if u think I'm regurgitating points, fine call me sacummy
however
I think I have been pretty transparent with where my mind has been going, and importantly that I'm reevaluating reads as more information comes to the surface.. I actually prewfer to think its a good thing that my mindset is aligning with flipped town players, shows we are picking up on the same tells
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On August 02 2013 05:20 VayneAuthority wrote: but the point is no one is working together at this point so I don't think you are trying to defend him or anything..I just disagree with your opinion. No need to try and set me up for LYLO if that's your plan. Town has no reason to do that so it's weird. well I am trying to work with u.
we just have different opinion on marvm but agree mz is no good for town. the reason I swapped back to Marv was because of the curve ball u threw with koshi. I have been assuming he is a new player.
koshi said he could prove he is not antitown, so I'm keen to hear what he thinks makes him town.
lastly, why was scum refusing to vote mz early. I think because there was no need. scum love to insinuate someone is scummy, and then let town do the dirty work.
there were three wagons. ve, sloish and mz.
3 flipped scum on ve, 1 flipped scum on sloosh, and 0 scum on mz also, korynne didn't replace in yet, and precursor did not vote. if Marv is last scum, he voted kholly
yam was insinuating mz should be pushed if ve failed, and then others followed on mz after his abrasive posting. the important thing is that scum were trying to lead town on to mz well before any night1 cop checks... bussing doesn't normally work like that, as with bussing u try n take credit for flip.
obviously after the parity check information was released in the mason circles AND scum already knew mz was SK, they pieced together it was mz and made a smear campaign starting with the Marv/aloosh pm logs.. note, during this phase the flipped scum team were actively trying to push mz over Marv..... even kush
now u might say, kush bussed mz.. however, even someone like kush realises that SK is a threat to scum and had to go.so I would contest this is a moot point to say mz is mafia
hence, I think this all points to mz not being Mafia, and Marv being Mafia. p.s. there's way more bussing dialogue between kush/Marv than kush/mz
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lol.. fuck u vayne.. told u to vote marv
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well game is over, now we are in kingmaker situation.,
/sarcasm awesome
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mz is a total twat
could have at least voted Marv ffs I can't believe this.
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anyways
2 town, 1 Mafia, 1 SK
funnily enough, I suspect if both town die, the game is a draw.. so 1 townie has to die
so either anti town double stack to make kingmaker situation or anti town have to shoot each other or take risk of shooting a town, and other anti town shoots them
pretty funny situation actually
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On August 02 2013 13:36 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont understand what happened, he's not miller role. how can he be just town?
FT same alignment as marv but meapak not same alignment as marv wat?
no scenario here makes sense
clearly Marv is a framer and framed ft night1
anyways, if u were town u r worse than mz for letting this happen
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unlikely
well the only other option is that mz was framed by you
I know my role pm, and the shit u pulled to stay on mz makes koshi a much better town chance than u
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lol u didn't try to refute it either....
FML.. anyways this is a waste of time until 24hrs.
personally I'm comfortable with a shortened cycle, like 12hra... would be interesting if anyone else wants that
tick tock tick tock
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lol
I would prefer if mod confirm came into thread before taking this any further
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gg.. well earnt koshi
can we have qt links pls
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umm how was aloosh pardoned.. did rayne do it?
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gg to ace who shot yamato
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hmm so why was mz/Marv different again. can someone explain?
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what..... u never checked mz......it was snb
ohh my...
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thnx for the write up
lol vayne, Marv got me off u in pm land and I never turned to look back
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On August 03 2013 13:37 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 13:34 Mocsta wrote:thnx for the write up lol vayne, Marv got me off u in pm land and I never turned to look back well in the 3 games I have played with him he has read me wrong every time so that should have made me scummier! pretty much after u told me about korynne couldn't pardon scum.. i was sure scum was u plus kush.
but then got tunneled on marv . sigh.. kinda depressing how easy ver makes it look.
ohh well played....
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vers analysis is awesome and even if the game was closed for him, I'm sure he would have got it.. but he uses information from being host to clear Marv etc
can anyone tell me why Marv was a town read.. I'm looking at clarity here, I think he said in qt Marv looked firm town
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ver/rol thnx for hosting
as for the game itself, I really enjoyed the post cap restriction with pm ability.
this is ironic coming from a prolific spammer like myself, but I see games like titanic with 200 pages and go..ugghhh, no way I want to read that.. so this was beautiful...
I will leave setup balance to others.. just wanted to say
for ppl like me that quit Mafia because of low time.., this is the only type of game I would sign up for
so I hope to keeps doing this... I think it can only lead to better play, because even with 25posts per person, there was still a lot of garbage
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layabout.. a ban is surely not warranted.
u misquoted something.. ohh well, I think the lesson learned here was warming up to korynne too quickly.. thatsbwhat got I killed and prevented u from correcting the check
ironically it appears u were not aware of this error until end game.
p.s. I agree with layabout/snb... I would love to play in another post count restriction game, just more emphasis on normal setup
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lol... that's a bit extreme kush
I never asked for my first scum loss to be removed.. u know, the one where u got banned for smurfing in a newbie andd then u and ya mate decided to bus me instantly for shits n giggles.
the game wqasnt perfect, but somehow it still came down to the wire... and this game finished with an awesome post game write up lest bygones be bygones
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I would love the bluelightz 3 different cops setup applied to the post restrictions and pm land type game and include a miller or something
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dunno. I felt 25posts still produced a lot of useless junk.
im not a great player or anything, but i think a lot of stuff posted in this game didn't need to be posted at all. its not that the logic is fallacious, its just ppl here love to waste posts having digs at at one another typically before grasping the full context of the post they are trying to retort.
I dunno I find most ppl either fall into writing short one liners with no game relevance, or massive spawls of text painful to read and also not game relevant lol... guess mafia is like everything else and fits the 80/20 rule perfectly.
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unfortunately this game was difficult in regards to ppl like wigglesm who actually wrote saolid well constructed posts, however supported the wrong lynches.
how u suggest separating that type of play from someone subtely pushing scum agenda?
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