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On June 02 2013 19:08 supersoft wrote: Longer posts and no chats in the thread. pretty cool. Whilst I agree spammy threads can be a chore to read. Personally I find longer posts significantly more difficult to digest and assimilate compare to spammy threads. | ||
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On July 28 2013 13:18 kushm4sta wrote: Yup mocsta scum or else he would have been modkilled. (1/20) Firstly. I was reading the thread as a casual observer so am fully up to date with how the thread has played out. Secondly. I can understand why it is easy to make a statement as kush made above. However, in this instance it is incorrect. If you want to bicker over "outgaming" the mods. It is equally valid to state that if another town was modkilled, we would be back in lylo. Thirdly. Has anyone been able to do a vote count analysis on the snb lynch? I recall several said it was worthwhile, but I don't recall reading a detailed conclusion? Lastly. I have been informed I am masoned with rayn. Rayn I assume there has been dialogue between you and Adam? If so, is anything worth sharing? | ||
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Don't forget rayn is confirmed town with a flipped scum pardoner. Vayne. With an SK about, is your focus this cycle to hunt SK or hunt remaining scum? | ||
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Wow. Nice pick up on korynne role pm. I just assumed it was applicable to everything. Hmmm rayn does need to address this. Mz is essentially confirmed scum with the parity checks. I would prefer we hunt remaining scum though. | ||
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Mz. Suppose that u want us to forgo the parity check outcome based on A. Ur word B. The possibility of a framer successfully targeting two cycles in a row, and with no evidence a framer exists. Then why use your 25 posts to proclaim innocence. Would it not be best to openly scum hunt? Who are your leads for SK and remaining 2 scum. What is your take on the rayn situation? | ||
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On July 25 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote: just wanted to bring this post back to the fore, now we have context of more flips. Snb point2 makes a lot of sense from a Mafia win con perspective.@koshi what makes you so sure I'm scum that you're willing to ignore the mz/Marv dt check to lynch me? + Show Spoiler + Like, seriously no one has made a case on me this entire game except vivax, and that was vivax tunneling into his snap read on me based on my first post (and spoiler alert vivax tunneling is something that happens all the time, and has happened to me before). I shot ace for a couple of reasons that no one has argued with yet - one is protown (he was playing like scum and I thought he was scum, but he's impossible to lynch) and, true, one is alignment neutral (I like shooting ace) but no one has said yet why that makes me scum. Ima do a little analysis now. In the sloosh/Marv convo, sloosh claimed that they knew Marv was SK from a cop check. This gives us four possibilities: 1. scum actually do have a role cop check on Marv as SK, as they appear to imply in the sloosh/Marv convo. Best move for town is to lunch Marv and reduce anti town KP. Regardless of whether the 2kp/night so far has been due to scum only having one KP as someone suggested or if we've been lucky with KP overlap/protective roles, best move if we have the SK is to get rid of him. 2. scum knew about the mz/Marv "different" result that was floating around pm land, and that neither of them is scum. In this scenario, presumably either sloosh contacted both Marv and mz, or they read Marv as SK. In this case whether we lynch Marv or mz depends on who we think is more likely to be the SK. If the "different" result was due to a framer, I doubt that scum would have initiated the conversation with Marv, I don't see any benefit to doing that instead of just letting town kill both of them. + Show Spoiler + 3. Marv is scum and the convo was faked. This could have been a response to knowing about the parity check, although I don't see why that would be a better response than just trying to lynch mz, either way the check leads to Marv getting lynched and the "when" just depends on getting people to lynch mz first. I feel like getting us to lynch mz first would be easy if Marv actually started giving a shit, and given how egotistical he can get about his scum play I doubt that would have been an issue. I don't think that is the case. Still, this is a possible scenario where we should obviously lynch Marv. 4. Marv is town, mz is scum, and the convo was initiated in response to scum finding out about the parity check. This is the scenario where we should obviously lynch mz. Still, this is a very high-risk strategy from scum, since it relies on Marv posting the conversation and not having it make him "confirmed" or gain massive town cred. It's also possible but I think this scenario is also unlikely So here's my conclusion. I think it seems improbable that either of mz or Marv is actually scum. So I think we should lynch Marv for a couple reasons. (1) his play this game doesn't match either his scum or town play. Unless he's been way more active and involved in pms than he has here, it doesn't match his town play (which sometimes looks scummy but always looks leadery) or his scum play (which is quite active as well, and very ego-driven). Therefore, I think he is neither. (2) there's a possibility the scum do have a rolecop and that's why they contacted Marv, in which case they're giving us free information and it would be a shame not to use it. + Show Spoiler + So ##vote: marv Also inb4 "oh he's hunting SK not scum" well what I'm actually doing is hunting for the most reasonable anti town person I can get you all to lunch instead of mislynching me and trying to work with the cop claim we have so fuck you too. At least I'm still trying despite people in this game being stupid and calling me scum for no good reason, unlike some people in this town Also Keep in mind 3 things. 1.Yam, sloosh, snb all tried to push mz at one point or another. This is too orchestrated to be bussing in my opinion. 2. SK can choose godfather instead of bulletproof. Consider that scum have no need for a detective. Role cop on the other hand is a possibility as hinted by snb 3. Given how Marv has acted this game. SK makes a lot of sense. E.g. the discrepancy with Dr.h regarding the alignment of yamato. From this. Marv is sk and thus mz is town. ≠=======::======================= So for last 2 mafia... My top read is kush. 1. Known for bussing 2. Has been useless all game. Posts feel most certain when addressing flipped scum players which goes back to point 1. 3. When yam was shot. Only scum knew it was SK, whereas town did not want to entertain notion. Kush immediately is able to consider third party in his thought process whilst proceeding to bus. On July 20 2013 02:56 kushm4sta wrote: oats - this guy is pretty unreadable. I can see him easily being town or scum. I have definitely seen him act like this as town. ft - town. his response to aces fake claim was really in depth and townie. go reread it of you think it makes him scummy because honestly it is one of the towniest things in the game. marv - scum or third party. Really seems like he doesn't give a shit. defended yamato. defended sloosh. said he thought dbz lynch was retarded but did nothing to stop it. The least he should have done is change his cote to sloosh. sloosh - scum. the dbz lynch was retarded. beyond retarded. like a negative score on the iq test retarded. he claimed and he could PROVE his role the next day. yet he was still lynched. this points to dbz lynch being the scum alternative to the sloosh wagon. For the other. I want to hear more from rayne. The korynne role pm has made this situation a clusterfuck. Lastly, I don't think we should lynch Marv this cycle. The existence of SK is clearly putting Mafia under massive pressure which is benefitting town majorly. | ||
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Lol mz I wrote the Marv/mz part way before you made ya post. Just takes forever to copy paste with a tablet for filter diving  Hmmm I like wiggles and kush. Koshi is fixated on VA. Do u prefer kush or va? | ||
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On July 29 2013 11:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: You don't think Meapak's logic is flawed here? Meapak thinks marv is GF, he is miller -> cop has "different" check on them. MAKES SENSE! Why again are you not voting for Meapak? (8/25) I think this is nitpicking. Yes the statement is illogical, and I get you are arguing it. However, consider that you know you are town, and ppl think u have a red check. Its natural to just throw out things that would make you red... Frame/miller etc. That's logical of town or scum, and thus I think is nitpicking and certainly does not warrant a vote in isolation. | ||
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1. I am not lynching mz full stop. As I pointed out earlier, all flipped scum tried to push mz as a lynch throughout both early and mid game. In particular snb. This is relevant because with snb shooting ace, he was basically a goon. There was no benefit to be gained by bussing mz in that situation. Let's give snb some respect here please. 2. You guys all have a hard on for Marv being town, when his explanation for the green check was , he would never choose godfather over bulletproof if the choice existed. Its ironic, because Marv replaced in. The decision would have actually laid with hapa, if SK. I have played with Marv many times. and personally feel there is a consistency in his town play. whether a great town Marv in Mafia lix..or a struggling town Marv in personality2. His game play this game does not fall into any of those moulds. Regardless, there is no traction here today. Moving on. 3. Kush. My issue here stems from meta and my difficulties with town kush in smurf Mafia. I'm not getting the same vibe at all. personally i feel his filter is more evident of someone throwing rocks from the bench, rather than one trying to actively solve the game. Its disappointing koshi decided to ignore kush meta when throwing my criticisms back at me. Ohh well... We can deal with this next cycle. 4. Rayn. Is standing by not using the power. My suggestion is, if we successfully reduce Mafia down to one. We should auto lynch rayn next cycle. If he is town, he can pardon himself. If SK/???. He will be lynched because he used power 5. I can live with a wiggles lynch this cycle.. His filter reads to me as a blender, and at this point in the game he is essentially afk. ##vote: wiggles | ||
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On July 22 2013 08:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Actually lets make a deal vayne, we lynch sloosh. He flips town, we kill rayn. He flips scum, we kill you. (10/25) Mz. How come u never really followed through with this? U noted wiggles was suspect for last minute voting Marv when snb was lynched. I'm sure u have noted vayne voted for Marv as well. Where do u stand currently? | ||
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Freudian slip. Read the quote. Substitute Marv for vayne. I have done a detailed filter read on both kush and vayne. I personally don't like kush, but COULD see him as town. Vayne on the other hand has some characteristics that are sounding large bells. Specifically he loves to debate semantics that have no major bearing on scum hunting, and then glosses over game changers. E.g. his reaction the snb firing a vig shot was to pass it off as not alignment indicative. Where I get stuck with vayne is stuff like pointing out the korynne role pm. I found that really useful because as soon. As a I saw red pardoner I just assumed it was the logic puzzle that solved rayn so never actually read the pm... I guess the converse is that if he was scum, he was already award of korynne deficiency so it was natural to be able to point this out? I still want a wiggles lynch. Don't get me wrong, he is my focus for lynch. I'm just trying to stimulate more Convo. | ||
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On July 30 2013 01:23 VayneAuthority wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 12:42 Mocsta wrote: (11/25) Freudian slip. Read the quote. Substitute Marv for vayne. I have done a detailed filter read on both kush and vayne. I personally don't like kush, but COULD see him as town.. Vayne on the other hand has some characteristics that are sounding large bells. Specifically he loves to debate semantics that have no major bearing on scum hunting, and then glosses over game changers. E.g. his reaction the snb firing a vig shot was to pass it off as not alignment indicative. Where I get stuck with vayne is stuff like pointing out the korynne role pm. I found that really useful because as soon. As a I saw red pardoner I just assumed it was the logic puzzle that solved rayn so never actually read the pm... I guess the converse is that if he was scum, he was already award of korynne deficiency so it was natural to be able to point this out? I still want a wiggles lynch. Don't get me wrong, he is my focus for lynch. I'm just trying to stimulate more Convo. I really need posts btw, so if i could get some donations that would be great. if you did read my filter then you saw that I explained in pretty large depth why I saw SnB as not scummy once I put the pieces together. That was obviously wrong. You're pulling a koshi here and not moving on to the present, being static in your reads which is weird since you replaced in. I pointed out the role PM because I thought it showed that rayn had not been being truthful with us but it seems he is upholding that he never pardoned. So I guess there's a 3rd pardoner or he's still lying. Still not sure there but as you said we can take care of the weird shit the following cycle. The fact the vote is so close right now confirms my suspicion that wiggles is just going to lurk and hope for the best since he knows opening his mouth will fuck him like it did SnB. He's gonna try and drop a vote on meapak last second and see if it works. There's no doubt in my mind he's scum at this point. We gave him plenty of time. (12/25)+1 donation to VA As I said before. I'm lynching wiggles. Unfortunately u voted him before me, but I can live with that. AS for the rest of this response, it's a wrong on many fronts. 1. Instead of addressing the problems, you are going ad hom. This is then continued in discourse with koshi. 2. You still didn't address why you knew the content of the korynne role pm. I explained why I didn't read it, and I think many town would have treated the situation the same as me. You could argue that you read everything in detail, word for word.. but if that was the case. You would have known that my read on you was far from static. 3. Yes the vote is close and I'm concerned about consolidating. Its why I will only donate to you 1 post. Us debating will do no good to consolidate on wiggles, as both our votes are already there. ##give:VA 1 post | ||
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VA Cut the shit 1.U specifically said I'm "pulling a koshi". That is simultaneously dropping koshi credit and associating me with that drop in credit. 2. My problem with your play is that you keep getting involved in brawls of minor co sequence. You just now use that as an excuse to call me static, because u have gone over it before. Yet I could easily say its just as excuse for u to look like u contribute. 3. The snb criteria may have happened many moons ago, but everything in Mafia is about reinterpreting OLD information with NEW flips. Why are u trying to actively discourage me from rereading the game? As for ur q. I'm OK with koshi. I think he is an excited townie. I liked his PMS with korynne,. I like rayn. If he was anti-town trying to score town cred early game.. I'm sure his filter would read as flying under the radatr. Its not though. My leap of faith is town. He's self fulfilling anyways, because if 1 Mafia remainsa. Can always lynch rayn. If towqn, he can pardon himself.... As for Marv. I'm stuck with mz. I refuse to think mz is Mafia based on the coordinated bussing. Serial killer is a possibility. Both are standing by the green checks.. I dont like how mz caved and assumed Marv was green though. Its like he pulled out of the conflict and capitulated before it became a shit storm. Whereas I think a townie would most likely have stayed in the shitstorm. | ||
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On July 30 2013 02:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: We're fucking lynching wiggles. Koshi you made the argument that scum thought marv was sk. You do realize that this contradicts your logic that sk has a green check since scum claimed to have a check that said marv was sk. I don't like this one bit. u do nothing most of the cycle, but then choose to pipe up vehemently when your neck is NOT on the noose anymore. ur throwing shit at koshi, when u r misquoting lol. scum had information u and Marv are not the same. they assumed based on play, Marv was SK. I don't like how u r misconstruing this.. in particular after an absence, | ||
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On July 30 2013 02:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Mocsta go back and read my posts. I pulled out specifically so it did NOT become a shit storm. I want to lynch wiggles, not get bogged down in check wifom. (16/25) I know ... that's why its a problem. town typically trust their own role pm over everything else. if ur filter read as trusting Marv as green with reason, your response would make sense. instead u take the safe way out and just capitulate... that's actually an anti town thing to do in my book. there is no logical flow for apgiving Marv a green check other than "I'm getting too much heat | ||
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On July 30 2013 02:42 kushm4sta wrote: Anyone need more posts? Also I think we should lynch mz not wiggles. No idea why we are ignoring the check.no idea why we are assuming something is wrong with the checks (17/25) I actually starting to agree with this based kpon the quality of mz recent posting. I'm off for the next 2 hrs... if the lynch isn't over by then I will reassess where my vote is going. ciao p.s. I'm masoned with Marv. apparently Adam masoned him. didnu guys know that? | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:57 VayneAuthority wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2013 02:30 Mocsta wrote: (14/25) VA Cut the shit 1.U specifically said I'm "pulling a koshi". That is simultaneously dropping koshi credit and associating me with that drop in credit. 2. My problem with your play is that you keep getting involved in brawls of minor co sequence. You just now use that as an excuse to call me static, because u have gone over it before. Yet I could easily say its just as excuse for u to look like u contribute. 3. The snb criteria may have happened many moons ago, but everything in Mafia is about reinterpreting OLD information with NEW flips. Why are u trying to actively discourage me from rereading the game? As for ur q. I'm OK with koshi. I think he is an excited townie. I liked his PMS with korynne,. I like rayn. If he was anti-town trying to score town cred early game.. I'm sure his filter would read as flying under the radatr. Its not though. My leap of faith is town. He's self fulfilling anyways, because if 1 Mafia remainsa. Can always lynch rayn. If towqn, he can pardon himself.... As for Marv. I'm stuck with mz. I refuse to think mz is Mafia based on the coordinated bussing. Serial killer is a possibility. Both are standing by the green checks.. I dont like how mz caved and assumed Marv was green though. Its like he pulled out of the conflict and capitulated before it became a shit storm. Whereas I think a townie would most likely have stayed in the shitstorm. 1 and 2 contradict each other here, you criticize me in 2 for getting into little brawls or whatever but you specifically want to argue semantics with me in 1. Not that that is alignment indicative but it is pretty annoying tbh, especially when I can hear the accusatory tone in your post. I'm actively discouraging you from re-reading the game because you are not using it to your advantage, just flinging shit at me with age old manure. I really doubt rayn can pardon himself, that would be pretty dumb. We don't even know if he's actually a pardoner at this point with how secretive he's been lately. besides fighting with me and a few snide comments he's been much less active than before. (19/25) VA there u go again. enter the ring, attempt to enable an intelligent debate, and finish with derogatory comments. if u don't want to call it ad hom, whatever. whether my criticism of your play is age old manure, or pulling a koshi. it doesn't matter. why? because u r still not addressing the crux. ..... iirc, u were slammed for glossing over snb ace shot before snb flipped. I'm slamming u for it, with post flip knowledge. two completely different situations. anyhoo. now that wiggles seems set...u are also potentially slandering the name of rayn. who do u prefer as anti town. kush or rayn, or both? | ||
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On July 30 2013 11:03 kushm4sta wrote: no. different between being 70% sure and 95% sure (20/25) please extrapolate this. | ||
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wiggles I don't k ow how long to the lynch, but tell me more about your read on kush. what is setting off alarm bells?? why do u think koshi is innocent? also did u notice in ya limited filter, day1, u openly asked questions to yam/sloosh/snb that allowed them to answer unimportant questions and enable them to blend in? | ||
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On July 30 2013 12:14 kushm4sta wrote: higher chance for mz due to check ofc... why the fuck do i have to extrapolate something that is so obvious (22/25) I actually wanted to know how/what/why your confidence increased from 70% to 95%. | ||
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