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On August 01 2013 04:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
that seems so backwards, you are way more scared of marv than you need to be. If MZ flips SK I will put a lot more thought into marv. He is the much safer lynch here.
If we lynch marv and he is town wtf would you do at that point? You still don't know what MZ or koshi is.
I don't see why you want to make the really unlikely lynch before the obvious lynch.
OK this is what I needed to hear and can live with lynching mz this cycle.
will swap vote in threwad now
p.s. I'm not scared of marv. at all... I'm scared of Marv if I am not around, but u have shown willingness to consider him so I feel better about the situation
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On August 01 2013 04:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Lets play a mind game. Imagine I am *gasp* not scum for a moment.
Actually think about it this way. Scum have to get the SK lynched today. Now I am town so normaly in a situation where there is a "red" check on a townie there will be no disagreement because it's a good way for all parties to appear protown. So with that in mind ask yourself "why is there any resistance to my lynch." This day should have been open and shut, yet there is still debate. Why? The remaining scum knows I'm not the sk and are trying to get the real sk lynched without blowing their cover. The sk is trying to do the same thing.
Under normal circumstamces a bad check on a townie is a dream come true for anti town players. Why has this opportunity not been exploited.
anti town need to get anyone lynched but themselves.. in fact i think it is preferable for anti town to lynch the other antitoqn, because they eliminate the risk of being night killed.....however they also need to assess this risk against the possibility of a town circle forming.
but I will say it doesn't make sense that u r Mafia to me.
yamato posts/PMS tried to set u up as a backup lynch to VE pretty hard as early as day1.
considering sloosh was a goon, its clear yamato doesn't like to bus with the effort he put in to save sloosh. hence, it's highly unlikely u r Mafia in my book.
SK in the other hand, does make sense. ur play is certainly not conducive to scum hunting, yet u have been too much of a pest to be blendy Mafia as well.
if u r town... I will have to do a Dr.h and quit playing forum Mafia.
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On July 20 2013 18:59 marvellosity wrote:
We probably need to be lynching s&b for that shot.
First, kholly.
##Vote: kholly
this is one of the reasons I think Marv is Mafia.
this reminds me if personality2, u tunnel a guy into oblivion and use it as an excuse to glances over game changers.
I actually respect Marv's play, so its hard to fathom how a town Marv could acknowledge the scumminess of snb action, and simultaneously neglect it because of "its chezinu"
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On July 21 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:
You're ok Koshi. I'm your guardian angel for now <3
##Donate kushm4sta: 2 posts
Vayne, I don't really like much of anything you posted there about kholly/s&b/layabout etc. I don't think it's scummy, just not good. In my opinion it's a massive mistake to write a terrible shot off as "he's apathetic" because it's too easy. At the very least massive, massive pressure should be applied to s&b for what he did.
lol more Mafia mindsaet.
here Marv condemns VA for his approach to the snb shit which is fair enough... however the important take is that Marv is giving advice and then sitting on his arse.
if snb needs pressure, them surely scum hunting extraordinarie Marv should lead that pressure.. but he does not
just wants to sit in the bench, and give posts to flipped scum....
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I'm town mocsta, prepare to get your mind blown.
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So if I explain who is scum and who is the SK are people gonna take it seriously or is the game over?
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ill take it seriously but kush pretty much did you in so you'll have to rage at him endgame, sometimes your partners screw you the most
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On August 01 2013 08:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
ill take it seriously but kush pretty much did you in so you'll have to rage at him endgame, sometimes your partners screw you the most
lol kush played perfectly and I give him kudos tbh. I didn't realize until after he flipped that his whole schtick was to bus teammates. I'm sure he's having a good laugh in the obs QT.
ok I think people are set on my lynch so I'll just give a few last words. I just reread the filters of the living players
Marv, I really have no idea if you're sk or not but if you are you deserve the win.
Mocsta: Your actions over the past few days make the most logical sense to be scum compared to vayne/koshi but I can't really see it in my head.
Vayne and Koshi: while neither of your recent actions fit what I'd expect scum to be doing as much as mocsta has, you both have done some incredibly scummy things. Just know this, one of you is right about the other. Perhaps you both have forgotten but you both spent a lot of time before today calling each other scum and if I'm right about mocsta then one of you is right. Better figure out who.
Here are the possible scenarios:
2v1v1 after the lynch.
If SK shoots scum and scum shoot, SK, town wins.
If SK shoots scum and scum shoots town, SK wins
If SK shoots town and scum shoots town, SK wins or its a draw if SK isn't bulletproof (which would be strange).
If SK shoots town and scum shoots SK, scum wins or its goes to the next day and the remaining townie is placed into a kingmaker scenario.
What does that tell us? SK has a lot of paths to victory, scum has almost no chance of victory. Why do I bring this up? I think the remaining scum should claim because the only way to beat the SK is by getting him lynched TODAY. I would really like to win, my death all but ensures town loses.
This situation can be treated as a game and you have to look at what every side's winning move is. Scum's winning move is to kill the SK. However that's been their winning move for three "turns" now and they haven't taken their winning move. This suggests they cannot. SK's winning move is to shoot scum which he has done with impunity a couple of times now. So remaining scum, what do you think is gonna happen tonight? You are gonna die. There's nothing that can prevent the SK from playing his optimal move. You can do a couple of things. You can shoot a townie thus ensuring SK victory, or you can shoot at the SK. You may not kill him, but you will give him a chance of losing. The last thing you could do is reveal yourself now and help the town win. Let me repeat this again. You are not going to win. You have a choice though, you can help us kill the SK, outlive him and take a symbolic "second" place.
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On July 21 2013 23:26 Koshi wrote:
Strongandbig/SloOsh The case from Vivax is good and I believe him. Strongandbig deserves to be shot for that shot on Ace. Town SloOsh, please try your best from now on to help us. Because the next lynch is already very important for town and we don't want to be wrong. If you are scum SloOsh, please keep doing nothing and we will lynch you.
There is currently more discussion around SnB than on SloOsh. I guess with this pardon that scum is going to push Sloosh again, even if the guy is scum. There are another 72 hours left, let's lynch between SnB and Sloosh. But let's lynch the guy that is the most useful for town to make conclusions from. A lot of comments here are "let's lynch SloOsh no matter what", I would like to remind these people that there 72 hours in front of us and a lot SHOULD happen in those 72 hours.
I still got 1 Mason left. Nobody masoned me so I didn't know where to write this down. I guess here is a good place.
Marvellosity/Vivax (This could be a scumteam, and if they are I am in the middle of it.)
Marvellosity I expect a list from you this night, because you are a giant scum target. Putting only kholly on it is not sufficient. I even dislike you for going so hard after kholly.
Vivax Some healthy suspicion because we are masoned. As soon as we see some of those target of you flip red you will be very towny for me.
For the reasons I have given to Vivax (but I don't want to repeat it in this thread)
Kholly
I am also liking Malongo his latest posts.
DH was very towny for me but now with the whole FT debacle... Back to null.
I don't understand koshi here.
previously vivax released logs with koshi, where koshi quickly drops his scum reads and agrees with vivax.
now he says vivax is a scum read... even though vivax is pushing snb who koshi is trying to push.... I don't get this
I also have a problem with koshi absence from the thread... one thing I know in these end game situations is that town typically don't afk unless its a rage quit...
koshi, please explain to me what was going through your head in the above
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On July 24 2013 07:43 kushm4sta wrote:
you brought it to the thread in a misguided attempt to look town.
Why would scum go to you if they didn't get a check on you? You didn't look particularly like sk.
BTW vayne.
I love a flipped scum kush.
this is him stwaight after Marv posted the sloish pm.
wanna know what's interesting with the sloish PMS?
1. throws up koshi as we know
2. sloosh shows interest in protecting rayn, which is why I think this was staged... we know now rayn was town
3. koryenne was in the mason circle so scum already knew about the mz/Marv check........
what I'm saying is.., yes, the pm Congo was staged to pre empt the parity check release...
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IIRC this post was made after I talked two times with Vivax. I agreed that there was a big chance that SnB and Sloosh were scum, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. That's why I added Marv/Vivax.
I am pretty sure that Vivax didn't tell me his mason partner yet. A lot of the talks we had were about how his mason partner agreed with him and that they knew what they were talking about. (This post is even from before Vivax suspected marv at all I think) This was my way of saying: Vivax I know who your partner is and I am letting the thread know as well. But somewhat secretly.
You 2...
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thnx koshi.. I'm unsure what "you 2"means though?
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Well, MZ and you are both saying I am scum while that is close to impossible. If that was true Kush and I could have killed marv over SnB... Why wouldn't we?
Also, MZ says that it is VA or me that is the last scum. So that means VA. I could see that... But where is all this proof MZ is talking about?
Ask me question, ask my opinion, but I do not know who is last scum/sk. But there is a difference between Marv and MZ and Marv is green so MZ is the most logical lynch. So unless he actually brings the proof, how can we not lynch him? Also his proof that VA/Koshi is scum is based upon the fact VA/Koshi were out for each others blood before? Jeezus.
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hey koshi
I don't believe I called u scum. I was under the impression I whave been nominating mz as SK, and Marv as final scum.
my queries with u, were related to due diligence regarding the final townies remaining. I.e koshi/VA/mocsta.
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I sadly have no logical arguments that I can easily use to prove my alignment. I am fighting against a red check, a less than stellar record this game, and an unreceptive audience. I have a feeling marv is sk and a feeling mocsta is the last scum but no convincing case.
The worst part about DTs is how they destroy town's ability to scum hunt.
The remaining scum really should have considered my suggestion, SK's gonna win now so wp (marv probably).
Anyone want to end the day early?
As a brief note to everyone obsing in the QT. This game is an example of why its paramont for townies to firmly establish their own innocence as well as scum hunt. I didn't do this and never really tried and its losing town the game. Granted none of the other surviving townies ever established their innocence either but the mistake falls on me for getting on the wrong side of a parity check. Had I done better early/mid game this wouldn't be an issue because my alignment would be obvious when compared to marv.
Oh well lol.
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If you want to convince me, MZ, you'll have to do better than getting my alignment wrong.
Try again.
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On August 01 2013 17:14 Koshi wrote:
Well, MZ and you are both saying I am scum while that is close to impossible. If that was true Kush and I could have killed marv over SnB... Why wouldn't we?
Also, MZ says that it is VA or me that is the last scum. So that means VA. I could see that... But where is all this proof MZ is talking about?
Ask me question, ask my opinion, but I do not know who is last scum/sk. But there is a difference between Marv and MZ and Marv is green so MZ is the most logical lynch. So unless he actually brings the proof, how can we not lynch him? Also his proof that VA/Koshi is scum is based upon the fact VA/Koshi were out for each others blood before? Jeezus.
I really don't have a good idea who the last scum is so I'm gonna go with the logical route and say its mocsta.
Honestly you and VA should have settled your differences and gotten one or the other lynched earlier in the game because when I went and reread the thread I couldn't use you two to help me read anyone else which was frustrating.
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On August 01 2013 18:11 marvellosity wrote:
If you want to convince me, MZ, you'll have to do better than getting my alignment wrong.
Try again.
If you're not the SK you're about to lose.
That's my argument.
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What do people think of ending the day early?
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On August 01 2013 18:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 18:11 marvellosity wrote:
If you want to convince me, MZ, you'll have to do better than getting my alignment wrong.
Try again. If you're not the SK you're about to lose. That's my argument.
I'm not, but you're presenting your final argument/defence as something that I know is wrong.
If you can't even give me something I can believe in, then it's pretty pointless, isn't it?
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