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On July 31 2013 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
who's martyring? I'm just trying to win the game here.
You just have to realize that just as my theory was wrong, yours also has holes now that we figured out wiggles is town. So please just think about the game for a second if you are town and stop tunneling crazily on me.
I know don't remind me. So if you aren't scum.
Kush and Mocsta are very probably not both the scum left, but who the fuck knows. I do not believe rayn is scum for a second. MZ has been martyring 24/7. Marv greenchecked.
I am not scum. Or that scum bussing genious but their were easier ways to win. Also who would my last partner be? Moca or Rayn I would say. Unless VA & Koshi are being cute, or Marv &Koshi were being cute, or Kush & Koshi didn't want to kill marv 2 lynches ago.
It's a mess.
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Just see a flipped SK and a flipped mafia by the daypost and we are back playing. :D
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I actually still think kush could be scum.
EVERYONE except for him was sure wiggles was scum, and yet somehow kush had this magical epiphany where wiggles wasn't scum. Despite this he doesn't actually try that hard to prevent wiggles from getting lynched and lynching me instead. Other than worthless oneliners saying things like "lynch the red check" he does nothing to prevent wiggles from getting lynched but it put in a perfect position to say "I told you so" and claim town cred which is precisely what he did.
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On July 31 2013 00:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I actually still think kush could be scum.
EVERYONE except for him was sure wiggles was scum, and yet somehow kush had this magical epiphany where wiggles wasn't scum. Despite this he doesn't actually try that hard to prevent wiggles from getting lynched and lynching me instead. Other than worthless oneliners saying things like "lynch the red check" he does nothing to prevent wiggles from getting lynched but it put in a perfect position to say "I told you so" and claim town cred which is precisely what he did.
You should probably shoot him then. I would prefer you shooting Mocsta/marv though.
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On July 31 2013 00:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 00:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I actually still think kush could be scum.
EVERYONE except for him was sure wiggles was scum, and yet somehow kush had this magical epiphany where wiggles wasn't scum. Despite this he doesn't actually try that hard to prevent wiggles from getting lynched and lynching me instead. Other than worthless oneliners saying things like "lynch the red check" he does nothing to prevent wiggles from getting lynched but it put in a perfect position to say "I told you so" and claim town cred which is precisely what he did. You should probably shoot him then. I would prefer you shooting Mocsta/marv though.
I'm not sk -_-
Let me say this again we (town) WILL LOSE if we lynch me tomorrow.
Yesterday was your day to kill me, now we can't waste a lynch so I can prove my alignment.
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u guys are jumping around accusing everyone and it does is to create an environment of zero trust.
there are 4 town left, so clearly there are some we can treust.
please, if you want to accuse people then bring out the quote evidence that actually suggests they are scum.
yes.. it sucks wiggles was town... some might say, if vayne was ya #2 read and voted wiggles, why would you follow.
fair question.
I voted wiggles because I didn't like the timing of the afk, and I felt if scum, vayne had no issues to bus and he already voted snb, sloosh etc. so wiggles would be no different.
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On July 31 2013 01:42 Mocsta wrote:
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u guys are jumping around accusing everyone and it does is to create an environment of zero trust.
there are 4 town left, so clearly there are some we can treust.
please, if you want to accuse people then bring out the quote evidence that actually suggests they are scum.
yes.. it sucks wiggles was town... some might say, if vayne was ya #2 read and voted wiggles, why would you follow.
fair question.
I voted wiggles because I didn't like the timing of the afk, and I felt if scum, vayne had no issues to bus and he already voted snb, sloosh etc. so wiggles would be no different.
I didn't vote for SnB yo, given his personality I thought he was town. I was clearly wrong.
Sloosh was obvious as fuck, he's really useful as town.
and fair point, people thought I and wiggles was scum together yet voted with me on him, makes zero sense. guess our answer lies in who switched to wiggles without sufficient reason?
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vayne
everyone knows kush LOVES to be right and LOVES to bus.
do u find it oddnhe declared wiggles as 70% scum, but wouldn't justify it?
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BTW guys, why are we holding so much value into these checks?
what happened to traditional scum hunting? and then use checks to support a read?
clearly with two parity check cops, there got to be a way to fool the system, with either framers or gk/millers.
so please, let's stop saying there are green checks going around, or different checks. we need reads substantiates by folders and general play for Marv/mz etc,
here's a question for everyone.
why do u think Marv waited so long before voting wiggles?
why do u think mz keeps trying to martyr instead of up his game?
why do u think koshi suddenly acting in panic mode?
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On July 31 2013 01:53 Mocsta wrote:
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vayne
everyone knows kush LOVES to be right and LOVES to bus.
do u find it oddnhe declared wiggles as 70% scum, but wouldn't justify it?
yea I do. I pretty much replaced wiggles with kush in my mind. I really don't see anyone else it could be.
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On July 30 2013 23:25 kushm4sta wrote:
4 town
2 mafia
1 sk
We are fine. Just lynch mz next if he doesn't already get killed by the opposing anti town faction.
After mz I'm not really sure who I want to lynch next. It's between mocsta and vayne I think.
Koshi or Rayne are possible sks but I think it's better to lynch someone who has the possibility of being either scum or sk.
Following my logic here?
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nah I'm not following the logic here actually.
u have listed everyone in the game, EXCEPT Marv
did I just not post above, we shouldn't hold so much value in the checks... yes I did.
so explain/justify to me. pl0x
what makes koshi a potential SK
and other than check, why would Marv be a confirmed town.., the only probable townie INA game with 4 town left....
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sorry for post flood.
I'm out all day, and no idea when deadline is. here is my pm logs with marv
I'm on tablet so sorry for format
+ Show Spoiler +moc hmm that sucks...
Marv I want to figure this game out, but the way u talk to me is so apathetic. what's up?
now, yesterday ubwere trying lead me on to koshi. thoughts now with his posts post-flip? Original Message From marvellosity:
I don't know. The biggest issue with Wiggles is that he waltzed in yesterday and dropped his vote on me.
I have enough respect for Wiggles as a player to think that as town he should have been voting for the really obvious scum s&b, not me.
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Original Message From Mocsta:
if wiggles is scum, what do u make of his "goodbye" post. I.e what's the point of it?
Original Message From marvellosity:
i'm not sure why people are expecting such things from me in this sort of game. I specifically didn't originally join because this game wasn't for me. Then I forgot that apparently when I agreed to replace in.
I talked about koshi/kush (more koshi) when i was arguing with koshi earlier.
I say kush because as you know kush LOVES to be right. And it was Koshi and kush who were specifically pushing korynne as mafia last cycle. So mentality wise, kush shooting korynne to 'prove' he's right would fit quite nicely.
still, not gonna worry about it too much for now
Original Message From Mocsta:
I missed the part with koshi or kush as SK actually. is that descent or before I replaced in?
kush is certainly mores of an annoyance typically. ohh well need this wiggles flip.
his last post read like an eulogy. I'm happy with that lynch be a use his last effort was like snb. offer up SK as viable alternative. that's inherent guilt to me.
so I don't get it Marv. here we are pm.n.. how come u aren't trying to be a driving force public ally?
Original Message From marvellosity:
like i said in thread, i think he's town but i can't explain why. I can't really put up a good argument to disgaree with a check other than feels.
i was serious in thread about the koshi/kush thing for SK. Especially Korynne makes a tonne of sense coming from kush.
Original Message From Mocsta:
do u think mz is SK, or working off alternative solution to the parity check?
Original Message From marvellosity:
that doesn't even mean anything.
Original Message From Mocsta:
let me know when u r ready to play the game, instead of play the people.
Original Message From marvellosity:
no point substantiating when your grip on basic deduction is so limited dear.
Original Message From Mocsta:
like I said. your call.
I'm asking for substantiated points of view. and you are completely unwilling to oblige.
any who...Original Message From marvellosity:
Because you're insane. It's not productive like i said in thread, i think he's town but i can't explain why. I can't really put up a good argument to disgaree with a check other than feels.
i was serious in thread about the koshi/kush thing for SK. Especially Korynne makes a tonne of sense coming from kush.
Original Message From Mocsta:
do u think mz is SK, or working off alternative solution to the parity check?
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Original Message From marvellosity:
that doesn't even mean anything.
Original Message From Mocsta:
let me know when u r ready to play the game, instead of play the people.
Original Message From marvellosity:
no point substantiating when your grip on basic deduction is so limited dear.
Original Message From Mocsta:
like I said. your call.
I'm asking for substantiated points of view. and you are completely unwilling to oblige.
any who...
Original Message From marvellosity:
Because you're insane. It's not productive.
Original Message From Mocsta:
lol then don't. no1 is forcing u.
so I asked before if u think vayne is like kush.
u said vayne is too scummy to be scum
the natural take is that kush then is in the scum category.now u say he is town n don't want to talk to me.
hmmmm, will leave the return in your court
Original Message From marvellosity:
i think he's town. Not sure I should be talking to you though.
Original Message From Mocsta:
opinion in kush
Original Message From marvellosity:
what drugs are you on? i want some Original Message From Mocsta:
lol
still waiting for last component. u know
the Meister of the tush
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Original Message From marvellosity:
ok, you're fullblown retard. Read the fucking thread and understand how I CANNOT BE THE SK. Jesus fuck.
Original Message From Mocsta:
Lol. I'm one of the easiest ppl to read in the game... Even as a smurf.
That shit don't fly here Marv.
Seriously though, I respect the shots on scum. That's the SK still showing the scum hunting/town nous. And doing a better job than town at it too.
Look u k ow mz better than me, but let's be real here. Do u truly think he has the skills to claim those two shots? I don't think so.
I think only one person has those skills. You
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Now when I asked if vayne is kush in disguise.
U responded via is too scum to be scum.
What is ur read on kush then?
Original Message From marvellosity:
me being scum makes zero sense, you need to read the thread if you think that's a legitimate possibility ...
me being SK also makes no sense, which you'd also understand if you read the thread.
god. trouble with you is i can never tell if you're being scummy or just nuts.
Original Message From Mocsta:
Luckily ur hands are small, so the backhand compliment doesn't sting.
U know what they about small hands...... Small gloves.
I have a funny theory on the SK
Ur scum gf, and mz IS SK
Explains a few things EXCEPT
The quality of the SK kills. Im lynching wiggles today so don't worry, but I think you deserve praised for ya scum hunting play this game.
Shooting 2 scummers, that's pretty damn awesome. Seriously is there anyone in this game currently with the skill to do that, other than yourself?
Serious kudos I think. And no this isn't sarcastic, I see no value in lynching an SK that is clearly getting kicks out of hunting scum.
Original Message From marvellosity:
Vayne is pretty craycray. Seems too craycray to be mafia in my opinion.
It was indeed you (adam) who initiated. Don't worry, Hapa lumped me with being masoned to yamato
Original Message From Mocsta:
Hmmm when I joined, mods said I was masoned with rayn and had 1 mason left.
I assumed it was me who initiated. Oihh well I will treat this as my use of mason.
So is vayne a kush in disguise?
Original Message From marvellosity:
No no. Adam masoned me ages ago So by extension we're masoned still.
Original Message From Mocsta:
I know. But why me?
Its quite late in the cycle?
Original Message From marvellosity:
Fuck this, I'm an idiot. We're masoned you know.
in case I die. my best guess is
Marv as SK
, and he was role checked by scum. the layabout check was just ice on the cake.
kush as scum#1
i am uncertain about scum#2. ciao
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lol, Mocsta confirmed scum. There is a green check on marv. That means he can´t be the SK unless SK has a check immunity, in which case scum can´t have a SK check on him.
SK shoot Mocsta.
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On July 31 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol, Mocsta confirmed scum. There is a green check on marv. That means he can´t be the SK unless SK has a check immunity, in which case scum can´t have a SK check on him.
SK shoot Mocsta.
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my kayak trip was cancelled 
rayn. throw the checks out the window and explain to me three solid reasons why Marv is confirmed town over anyone else playing...
I double dare you.
also, I want to know why u are content to sit on the sidelines and call me scum, when we are masoned and u have made no effort to dialogue with me. if u thought Adam was scummy, why have u not tried to ascertain my alignment...,
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What, i think marv is scum?
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On July 31 2013 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What, i think marv is scum?
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I don't know what u think Marv is.
I said I think he is SK
u said he has a green check, so my thinking makes me scum, and ask SK to shoot me.
if u think Marv is anti town, u shouldn't care if I think he is Mafia otr SK.. its still anti town, so natural deduction is u calling me scum because u think Marv green check makes him town
hence, I want to know 3 reasons bpwhy Marv is town, none of them being the green check... its pretty simple
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Green check =/= town.
Why the fuck should/can i give 3 reasons why he is town if i think he is scum?
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On July 25 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@koshi what makes you so sure I'm scum that you're willing to ignore the mz/Marv dt check to lynch me? Like, seriously no one has made a case on me this entire game except vivax, and that was vivax tunneling into his snap read on me based on my first post (and spoiler alert vivax tunneling is something that happens all the time, and has happened to me before).
I shot ace for a couple of reasons that no one has argued with yet - one is protown (he was playing like scum and I thought he was scum, but he's impossible to lynch) and, true, one is alignment neutral (I like shooting ace) but no one has said yet why that makes me scum.
Ima do a little analysis now. In the sloosh/Marv convo, sloosh claimed that they knew Marv was SK from a cop check. This gives us four possibilities:
1. scum actually do have a role cop check on Marv as SK, as they appear to imply in the sloosh/Marv convo. Best move for town is to lunch Marv and reduce anti town KP. Regardless of whether the 2kp/night so far has been due to scum only having one KP as someone suggested or if we've been lucky with KP overlap/protective roles, best move if we have the SK is to get rid of him.
2. scum knew about the mz/Marv "different" result that was floating around pm land, and that neither of them is scum. In this scenario, presumably either sloosh contacted both Marv and mz, or they read Marv as SK. In this case whether we lynch Marv or mz depends on who we think is more likely to be the SK. If the "different" result was due to a framer, I doubt that scum would have initiated the conversation with Marv, I don't see any benefit to doing that instead of just letting town kill both of them.
3. Marv is scum and the convo was faked. This could have been a response to knowing about the parity check, although I don't see why that would be a better response than just trying to lynch mz, either way the check leads to Marv getting lynched and the "when" just depends on getting people to lynch mz first. I feel like getting us to lynch mz first would be easy if Marv actually started giving a shit, and given how egotistical he can get about his scum play I doubt that would have been an issue. I don't think that is the case. Still, this is a possible scenario where we should obviously lynch Marv.
4. Marv is town, mz is scum, and the convo was initiated in response to scum finding out about the parity check. This is the scenario where we should obviously lynch mz. Still, this is a very high-risk strategy from scum, since it relies on Marv posting the conversation and not having it make him "confirmed" or gain massive town cred. It's also possible but I think this scenario is also unlikely So here's my conclusion. I think it seems improbable that either of mz or Marv is actually scum. So I think we should lynch Marv for a couple reasons. (1) his play this game doesn't match either his scum or town play. Unless he's been way more active and involved in pms than he has here, it doesn't match his town play (which sometimes looks scummy but always looks leadery) or his scum play (which is quite active as well, and very ego-driven). Therefore, I think he is neither. (2) there's a possibility the scum do have a rolecop and that's why they contacted Marv, in which case they're giving us free information and it would be a shame not to use it.So ##vote: marvAlso inb4 "oh he's hunting SK not scum" well what I'm actually doing is hunting for the most reasonable anti town person I can get you all to lunch instead of mislynching me and trying to work with the cop claim we have so fuck you too. At least I'm still trying despite people in this game being stupid and calling me scum for no good reason, unlike some people in this town.
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rayn I'm burning a post for you. I reread ya post, and think i realise our differences with the checks.
I think scum have a role cop and got Marv checked as SK without the layabout parity check.
I think the parity check - which they were aware of from the kyronne leak- was a useful tool to get town onto SK possibility.
I haven't re read pm logsa, but it would be cxurious if kyronne suggested cop to parity check marv
look, I posted this from snb before .,, but I think it makes a lot of sense from Mafia.
u know u r guilty, u know ppl want to vote u.
how do u survive?
one way is to offer a better alternative, and as Mafia. sk is a sacrifice they love to offer because its win win for Mafia. they live longer and get rid of massive threat.
its because of this survival mentality that I believe snb was speaking truth here.
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Rofl
Red check....
Must be town...
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heading out to lunch, and no idea when deadline is.
rereading game, and up to page 22, just a couple pages off day1 lynch.
this is my current thoughts in case I'm dead.
kush.. scum... posts nothing other than the sloosh nitpick post, and gets offended when it is ignored, this is trade mark kush has to be right play.
vayne.. town.. I like his interactions with sloosh. you can argue scum knew they could pardon scum, so could fake aggression.. but two points... we don't k ow if scum can pardon scum, and, the aggression read real and j quisitive to me.
rayn.. town.. so damntownie day1 and I forgot he was silenced. made sense because he was building up a pm network with flipped townies. also too polarising in hunting scum to be 3p
koshi.. looks real bad, based on day1did nothing except copy the ve/malongo vote. plays the newbie card as well. problem is, sloosh has some dialogue with him that read to me as genuinely trying to convince koshi to swap from malongo to ve..., I can't tell if he's just a noob or expert scum,.
hapa.., reads real bad, trying to achieve nothing
Marv... actually reads good to me, and is straight onto sloosh. I have a pm where Marv says he never really wanted to play this game,and that's why he is apathetic..., if I just look at day1 play I can believe this... I can also believe a wiggles vote as payback..,,, I know I called Marv SK before... but I'm not sure right now. as of day1 I prefer Marv as town than koshi
mz.. looks TERRiBLE.. abrasive, throws out comments with no follow ups etc. no willingness to help town. receives light meaningless pressure fkipped scum...
so the conclusion
town: rayn and vayne
scum: kush and mz/koshi
3p: Marv/mz
I think kush and mz need to be next 2 lynches.
over and out, won't bother reading anymore unless I'm still alive.
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