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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
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kholly
United States74 Posts
MZ vs FT lynch time!!!! YEEEHAAAWW!!!!!! | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
Original Message From RebirthOfLeGenD: You are the Jailkeeper! You win with the town. At night you may choose to Jail any player. This player cannot act or be acted upon I visited DrH night one. At the time, I thought he was VT/mafia and definitely not blue. I visited him because I didn't want to screw up some blue's night actions by accident and he seemed like a safe choice considering he was probably town's strongest collective town read. I thought if he was town, he might get attacked. If you lynch me, I won't blame you. This is by far my worst game on TL Mafia. Ugh. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
On July 17 2013 11:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I didn't think I would have to say this, but using things outside the game to try to determine each others alignment is against the rules and the spirit of the game. An example would be trying to use a role PM to determine someones alignment. If someone tries doing this through PM let me know. This will not be a warning, it will result in a direct modkill and ban request. I don't tolerate unsportsmanlike conduct. If you have a doubt whether or not something is legitimate or not feel free to PM me, but I would err on the side of caution. If you have to question whether you can do it, you probably shouldn't be doing it. ooops FT | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
no chance i will be voting him today. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
I would like to add that my role is by no means confirmed and that if you think it is, you should think twice. Anyone can fabricate their own pms. I could be a mafia jailkeeper as well. Like VE said before he died, role /= alignment. If I have violated the rules, I apologize. I will graciously volunteer to get modkilled. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. I don't know his actual role or role pm (maybe it's just what he posted lol) so I'll leave it to RoL to post that. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 20 2013 15:51 Ver wrote: FirmTofu of House Chezinu has been modkilled for posting a host pm. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. I don't know his actual role or role pm (maybe it's just what he posted lol) so I'll leave it to RoL to post that. Sent you a personal apology. GG guys. I can't say I particularly enjoyed the game, but it's been fun. GL HF | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
There's no SK, it's in the OP. FT's reaction to my "check" was waaay too off for me. | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
On July 20 2013 16:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: There is no SK role in the game. When I said I had a check on Ace it was just continued banter that we'd been having all game, however FT jumped all over this "check" and instantly believed it and was even willing to lynch Ace because of it. This is not a townie response. The correct response would have been to ignore me, the second most correct response would have been to try and continue scum hunting rather than get caught up by a possible SK. SK's are simultaneously great for scum and a bane for scum. They allow mafia to go after anti town factions in order to appear green while at the same time they can potentially NK scum team members. This is why it is always a good scum strat to try and get the SK lynched. Get town cred and stop him from shooting you. There's no SK, it's in the OP. FT's reaction to my "check" was waaay too off for me. Okay can we stop with the shenanigans? Baiting is nice and all but town just turns into a giant clusterfuck, there's enough things to analyze and talk about without everyone throwing in their shenanigans at the thread. If you want to do that go scumhunt in PM land, and come back to town where you have evidence. How do you know there's no SK role in the game? The OP says 6 mafia 1 traitor. It didn't say there are no neutral roles. Were you in PM contact with Ace? Uh yeah FT should jump all over the check Ace accused him of being mafia and wanted to get him lynched. If he's town he obviously thinks Ace is scum. If he's mafia, well it makes sense to think as town and try to get Ace lynched pretending to be innocent. Pretty straight forward. Why would the correct response be to ignore you? You claimed to know some information, why would it be correct to just ignore it?? Second most correct answer sounds like the same which is to ignore it and then scum hunt. Uh, like FT said a possible SK is KP, well let's just ignore that kind of stuff. We're not talking about whether we want to lynch Ace, we're talking about just IGNORING THE WHOLE THING. No, that's not the correct response. SK would shoot people who don't matter, and then shoot either towards town or scum depending on which side he thinks is winning. Hiro seems like a good SK target, he wasn't very active and nobody was suspicious of him (I don't remember if he himself made any strong accusations either). Your plan is waaaaay too off for me. Try to make a better plan next time if you're going to add shenanigans. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
And korynne you kinda missed the point but whatever. No I was not in PM contact with Ace, that's fairly obvious from reading the thread. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
First, kholly. ##Vote: kholly | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
##Unvote: ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
For example, see how he answers the Oats case. He is not even looking at the case but instead saying "i don't see anything scummy in his filter". He hasn't done anything that helps town and MZ is not that bad. Kholly is second on my list. Yo lurkers, if you are town gimme some posts as you cleraly don't need them. I do. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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Vivax
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Vivax' post of scum destruction (very huge post) Here's the list of people who should get lynched (not the masons). Let'me start with how I think the D1 votes ended up in my version, I've deleted some stuff out to focus on the important votes (it assumes some people are town), black are people I'm still not sure of yet and where I think the last scum is hiding among: + Show Spoiler [Vote analysis] + On July 18 2013 12:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Vote count incoming. VisceraEyes - 6 Oatsmaster slOosh yamato77 Ace strongandbig kholly DoctorHelvetica - 1 Meapak_Ziphh Sloosh - 5 raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta FirmTofu Kholly - 1 marvellosity Firmtofu - 1 DoctorHelvetica Meapak_ziphh - 5 Mr. Wiggles layabout Malongo gumshoe VisceraEyes VisceraEyes has 6 votes and is to be lynched. This will be finalized and posted in 20 minutes. If anyone can verify my count it would be appreciated. Here are recent logs with my masons, that's where I stood before going to bed. Trying to protect the 1st one's identity for now. + Show Spoiler [Mason 1] + [00:09] <Pasta> Hey x [00:09] <Pasta> took you a while [00:19] <MASON> hey [00:19] <MASON> what's up? [00:20] <Pasta> wanted to talk to you [00:20] <Pasta> you said you have no masons [00:21] <Pasta> Are you catched up on the game? [00:21] <MASON> more or less [00:21] <Pasta> what is missing [00:22] <MASON> well, I've read through once, skimmed once, but I haven't gone through too many individual filters today yet [00:22] <MASON> I'm haappy hiro flipped traitor [00:22] <MASON> I thought he looked scummy [00:22] <MASON> and it looked like scum who maybe shot him [00:23] <Pasta> you don't mention it in the thread though [00:23] <MASON> no [00:23] <MASON> someone else pmed me [00:23] <MASON> later [00:23] <Pasta> interesting [00:23] <MASON> and I mentioned it to them [00:24] <MASON> what do you think about the way the lynch is going today? [00:24] <Pasta> well [00:24] <Pasta> First I'd like to ask you a few questions [00:24] <Pasta> you have shown pretty low activity [00:24] <Pasta> I need to know what's going on in your head [00:24] <MASON> mhmm [00:24] <Pasta> Can you give me an analysis of what happened D1 [00:25] <Pasta> but first, your scumreads for this moment [00:25] <Pasta> or reads you think are very reliable [00:25] <Pasta> in general [00:25] <Pasta> by what I mean D1 I mean the stuff about VE [00:25] <Pasta> how the votes ended up [00:28] <MASON> Well, I'd say Rayn, Vayne, Dr. H are pretty likely to be town [00:29] <MASON> I'm going back and forth a bit on strong and big being scum [00:29] <MASON> and am also suspicious of layabout [00:29] <MASON> there's also probably a couple scum among the more lurky/content-less posters [00:29] <MASON> but I'm not worrying too much about them right now [00:30] <MASON> it's easier to catch scum from people who actually say things, and just let vigs deal with them until a little later in the game when mafia have no leadership [00:30] <Pasta> meh, vigs [00:30] <MASON> I don't know what to think of tofu [00:30] <MASON> I'm trying to read him more [00:30] <Pasta> i never understood why people rely on vigs [00:30] <Pasta> kill lurkers and stuff like that with a lynch [00:30] <Pasta> equally good [00:31] <MASON> it's a bit of a crapshoot though [00:31] <MASON> with the lynch [00:31] <Pasta> vigs supposed to shoot lurkers is more of a measure to avoid crapshoots [00:31] <Pasta> imo [00:31] <MASON> same with vigs, but then you don't spend time worrying about it [00:31] <MASON> yeah [00:31] <Pasta> But we're drifting off [00:32] <Pasta> Had a lot of discussion about tofu [00:32] <Pasta> with one of my masons [00:32] <Pasta> we have opposite opinions [00:32] <Pasta> what would yours be [00:32] <MASON> one thinks town, the other scum? [00:32] <Pasta> yeah [00:32] <MASON> I didn't think he was scum too much yesterday [00:32] <MASON> I'm going to re-read now [00:33] <Pasta> btw [00:33] <MASON> and then read Dr.H again [00:33] <Pasta> the S & B and laya thinkg [00:33] <Pasta> I'm very interested in those two as well [00:33] <Pasta> but I need some reasons from you [00:33] <Pasta> well [00:34] <Pasta> take your time [00:34] <Pasta> read through [00:34] <Pasta> tell me what you want [00:40] <MASON> layabout reads scummy, because he posts a lot, but doesn't really say anything. He also has some other details that make him look like scum. He asks lots of questions, and sometimes makes game-relevant statements, but doesn't spend anytime providing detail or explanation. It reminds me of his play in "The Game". So, it looks like he's saying a lot, but he's not really saying anything, just shooting out little bits of opinion that don't change t [00:41] <MASON> The other two things that look bad, are him saying he wants to make a case on you, and then back-tracking. i.e. not keeping in promises of having to make an actual contribution, and also his vote for VE feels quite weird. [00:42] <Pasta> Good [00:42] <Pasta> Not just that [00:42] <Pasta> he's simply obviously not interested into solving the game [00:43] <MASON> It feels like a lot of his reason for voting him was based on the claim. There was a lot of analysis based on his behaviour, but he uses the claim as part of it, but then he doesn't have to accept responsibility for being wrong, as it has more to do with policy [00:43] <MASON> yeah [00:43] <MASON> the analysis done by others* [00:43] <Pasta> You still got MZ as scum? [00:43] <MASON> that sounds confusin [00:45] <MASON> I'm not as sure now [00:46] <MASON> he was the other person who pmed me [00:46] <Pasta> Did you talk much [00:46] <MASON> and in PMs he seems a lot more reasonable, so I'm not sure what he's doing in the thread [00:46] <MASON> a bit [00:46] <MASON> a few pms back and forth with reads [00:46] <Pasta> you still got two unused masons? [00:46] <MASON> and they seem reasonable [00:46] <MASON> yes [00:47] <Pasta> hmm [00:47] <Pasta> the thing is [00:47] <Pasta> where is SlOosh all of a sudden [00:47] <Pasta> if you don't suspect MZ anymore [00:48] <Pasta> and VE was lynched [00:48] <Pasta> what about the SlOosh wagon [00:49] <Pasta> doesn't it lead you to certain conclusions [00:49] <Pasta> ? [00:49] <MASON> I don't like that sloosh has disappeared now that the pressure on him is gone [00:49] <Pasta> there's that [00:49] <Pasta> but not only [00:50] <Pasta> that's the reason I aske you to look at D1 votes [00:50] <Pasta> did you read yammo's filter? [00:50] <MASON> yeah, just took a look [00:50] <Pasta> any deductions? [00:50] <MASON> he soft=defends him quite a bit [00:50] <Pasta> uh, didn't even see that [00:51] <MASON> might be that mafia just don't care about him [00:51] <MASON> after day 1 [00:51] <MASON> because they thought he was too far gone [00:51] <Pasta> oh I see [00:51] <MASON> since yamato looks like he's turning on him later [00:51] <MASON> but if he's amfia, that could easily be a bus [00:52] <MASON> since sloosh hadn't done anything by then but defend himself [00:52] <Pasta> who would you lynch, if you had to pick immediately [00:52] <MASON> the other thing though, is that he puts qualifiers on killing sloosh [00:52] <MASON> layabout [00:52] <MASON> if I just had to pick right now [00:52] <Pasta> ok [00:53] <Pasta> Did you look at the D1 votes yet? [00:53] <Pasta> how they ended up [00:53] <Pasta> can you deliver me some analysis [00:53] <MASON> huh [00:53] <Pasta> they have a certain characteristic [00:53] <MASON> didn't realize sloosh was at 5 [00:54] <MASON> well there's the obvious thing of kholly switichng at the end [00:55] <MASON> but the votes were also all quite close [00:55] <MASON> and the wagon on meapak formed very close to the end of the day [00:55] <MASON> after the ve claim [00:55] <MASON> but after that, no one seemed to be paying as much attention to sloosh [00:55] <MASON> a lot of the scummier looking people were on ve [00:56] <MASON> with the townier people split across [00:56] <MASON> sloosh and mz more [00:56] <Pasta> What I see is [00:56] <Pasta> not a single scummy person on SlOosh [00:57] <Pasta> ever [00:57] <MASON> hiro [00:57] <MASON> but besides him, not really [00:57] <Pasta> well, i don't count hiro as scum [00:57] <Pasta> at that stag [00:57] <Pasta> we had similar reads [00:57] <Pasta> in mason chat [00:58] <Pasta> he mainly wanted a bag of silent cred and to survive i think [00:59] <Pasta> I think I'll push a SlOosh lynch [01:00] <Pasta> Yamato points to MZ town and SlOosh scum [01:00] <Pasta> the wagons look bad for him [01:00] <Pasta> he fucked off after attacks stopped [01:00] <MASON> all good points [01:00] <Pasta> but if I'm telling you this it's cause I need your axe [01:01] <Pasta> what do you think of the FT lynch [01:01] <MASON> we can even follow yamato's advice! [01:01] <MASON> Sloosh is looking many times worse after I left the thread. He is more than capable of solid analysis as a town player, yet has contributed very little that I would call meaningful. Watch him day 2, and if he doesn't improve, lynch him. [01:01] <MASON> still ahven't read him [01:01] <MASON> talking to you, haha [01:01] <MASON> I'd need a little [01:01] <Pasta> well that's why I asked you if you catched up -.- [01:02] <MASON> to look over him again [01:02] <MASON> I told you I hadn't read him [01:02] <Pasta> I actually want to chat with people who say they are prepared [01:02] <Pasta> to avoid justifications for delays [01:02] <Pasta> so, prepare yourself [01:02] <Pasta> then we talk again [01:14] <Pasta> you're kinda inactive this game *snip* [01:16] <MASON> no idea, didn't follow it [01:18] <MASON> done reading tofu, he seems worse to me than before [01:18] <Pasta> heh [01:19] <MASON> don't know if it's enough to lynch him though [01:19] <Pasta> he asked people to get off ve [01:19] <Pasta> ended up on sloosh [01:19] <Pasta> posts a load [01:19] <Pasta> he makes mistakes, is loud, sometimes clumsy [01:19] <Pasta> wouldn't lynch [01:19] <MASON> yeah [01:19] <Pasta> ah crap *snip* [01:20] <MASON> I just don't like how he calls sloosh a town read, then votes ve, unvotes ve, says sloosh is a better lynch because of the roleclaim, even though he still had the town read, and didn't give indication of a scum read, then says he thinks sloohs is scum, and then flips again the next day because yamato gave a weak post saying to maybe kill him [01:21] <Pasta> his scumread was drh [01:21] <MASON> I meant on sloosh [01:21] <Pasta> well he had no real scumread on him [01:21] <Pasta> afaik [01:21] <MASON> yeah [01:22] <MASON> that's why it looks worse [01:22] <MASON> he called him town [01:22] <MASON> then votes him anyways because of the role claim [01:22] <MASON> could just have been a dumb decision though [01:22] <Pasta> and you think scum's more likely to do that? [01:22] <Pasta> lol [01:22] <Pasta> it's inconsistent [01:22] <Pasta> it's stupid [01:22] <MASON> scum would know that ve was town [01:22] <MASON> so it looks worse if they were on the lynch of a power role [01:23] <Pasta> or [01:23] <MASON> he also later says that anyone who voted ve needs to be looked at [01:23] <MASON> so it's consistent [01:23] <Pasta> they would try to lynch that power role [01:23] <Pasta> not all scum are scared [01:23] <Pasta> I'm one of the few going for wagon analysis actually [01:24] <Pasta> Why do that [01:24] <Pasta> Why try to save VE [01:24] <Pasta> he had written a case on him [01:24] <Pasta> people were doubting his claim [01:24] <Pasta> renounce on lynching a powerrole [01:24] <Pasta> being afraid to look worse? [01:25] <Pasta> how is scum supposed to get good mislynches that way [01:26] <Pasta> Tofu is too bold to be scum imho [01:26] <Pasta> almost suicidal [01:26] <Pasta> not ace's way of being suicidal [01:26] <Pasta> it's so ironic actually [01:26] <Pasta> ace spits in town's face [01:27] <Pasta> doing nothing [01:27] <Pasta> tofu is on the block [01:27] <Pasta> for doing mistakes, but trying to do stuff [01:27] <Pasta> it's a sad day [01:27] <MASON> yeah [01:27] <MASON> what you say makes sense [01:28] <Pasta> Any opinion on marv? [01:30] <MASON> I was null on hapa when he came in [01:30] <MASON> he seems alright [01:30] <MASON> now [01:31] <MASON> his target's quite easy [01:31] <Pasta> kinda inactive for marv don't you think [01:31] <MASON> but I'm not sure how much that means [01:31] <Pasta> he usually likes to take the reins [01:32] <MASON> is that still true when he replaces in though? [01:32] <Pasta> well, he should have catched up since ages [01:32] <Pasta> or for* [01:32] <Pasta> idk [01:32] <Pasta> lol [01:32] <MASON> haha [01:33] <MASON> I'm not too familiar with everyone's meta anymore [01:33] <Pasta> it's not just the meta [01:33] <Pasta> he seems kinda weak on pushing his lynch target [01:33] <Pasta> and frankly, FT I don't think is a good target [01:33] <MASON> what do you think of his target of kholly? [01:34] <Pasta> kholly is a fine target [01:34] <Pasta> i mean [01:34] <Pasta> you can't say much against tha [01:34] <Pasta> there are good lynches and bad lynches [01:34] <Pasta> kholly is a good lynch [01:35] <Pasta> I'm not adverse to policy lynching [01:35] <Pasta> There are arguments out there [01:35] <Pasta> saying that it's Chez playing like scum chez [01:35] <Pasta> but I'm not that sure [01:35] <Pasta> the guy is unpredictable [01:36] <MASON> ywah, he's unpredicatable, self-aware, and he trolls [01:36] <Pasta> But one thing makes him suspicious [01:36] <Pasta> his voteswitch [01:37] <MASON> yes, that would be the big thing [01:37] <Pasta> can you give me "your version" of events [01:37] <Pasta> for the D1 vote development [01:38] <Pasta> need to look something up [01:38] <Pasta> has to do with you [01:38] <Pasta> if it fits my theory [01:38] <Pasta> it might get you into trouble [01:38] <MASON> well, the day started off with the normal sorts of votes, for pressure, or as quick reactions [01:38] <Pasta> the wagons [01:38] <Pasta> there were 3 wagons [01:39] <MASON> yeah [01:39] <MASON> I'm getting there [01:39] <MASON> the initial sloosh wagon emerged based on his talk about pms [01:39] <MASON> and had some strong initial support [01:40] <MASON> but then people got embroiled in the Dr.H vs Tofu stuff, and the wagon starting for VE [01:40] <MASON> VE didn't do a good job defending himseld [01:40] <MASON> so his wagon picked up a lot of speed [01:41] <MASON> at that point, the sloosh wagon started to be seen as the alternative to the ve wagon [01:41] <Pasta> yup [01:41] <MASON> so there was some more support for it from people who didn't want to lynch VE neccessarily [01:41] <MASON> I was yelling in the thread about MZ though [01:41] <MASON> and some other people were coming around [01:42] <MASON> so, there was some switching onto mz [01:42] <MASON> but that wagon acutlaly picked up a lot of votes very quickly [01:42] <MASON> it was the sort of alternative wagon to VE that peole thought had a better chance of being scum, and again, people started to avoid the sloosh wagon [01:43] <MASON> for whatever reason [01:43] <MASON> so, MZ picked up a lot of votes, very quickly, very close to the deadline [01:43] <MASON> but there weren't enough [01:43] <MASON> and VE got lynched [01:43] <MASON> the sloosh wagon picked up a good amount of votes early [01:43] <MASON> then more slowly throughout the day [01:44] <MASON> the VE wagon started in the middle of the day and went strong until the end [01:44] <MASON> and the MZ wagon had little support initially, but then turned into a large bandwagon right near the end of the day [01:47] <Pasta> imagine you're scum now [01:47] <Pasta> SlOosh is scum [01:47] <Pasta> You're comfortably pushing the VE wagon [01:47] <Pasta> then he claims america [01:47] <Pasta> and people start getting off him [01:48] <Pasta> threatening to lynch SlOosh [01:48] <Pasta> what will you do [01:48] <Pasta> Btw I checked the thing *snip* [01:48] <MASON> mhmm *snip* [01:49] <MASON> scum would either try to rally people back to VE, or they would jump on the next best wagon [01:49] <Pasta> yeah [01:49] <Pasta> that's what we look for [01:49] <MASON> if sloosh is their scumbuddy, that wagon is mz [01:49] <Pasta> also notice [01:49] <Pasta> I posted the post about S & B [01:49] <Pasta> with list of his scumreads [01:50] <Pasta> it has sloosh in it [01:50] <Pasta> but he never pursues it after the first mention [01:50] <Pasta> and ends up on VE [01:50] <Pasta> need to check if he retracted it before voting him though [02:03] <Pasta> while rereading that part [02:03] <Pasta> there's some stuff about FT [02:03] <Pasta> www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19213419 [02:04] <Pasta> but well [02:04] <Pasta> he can justify saying he didn't know the mechanics [02:04] <Pasta> although I had posted them in the thread [02:10] <Pasta> oh wow [02:10] <Pasta> there's a post by layabout that's just terrible [02:13] <Pasta> holy shit [02:13] <Pasta> kholly fakeclaiming DT check [02:13] <Pasta> on me [02:17] <Pasta> I want to post these logs immediately [02:17] <Pasta> need to talk The other mason is Koshi, he already announced we are masoned, so no point in protecting his identity, he shows a flexibility in reads and fuck-it attitude when I ask him for SlOosh support that suggest he's town.: + Show Spoiler [Koshi] + [11:03] <Koshi> Hi [11:03] <@Pasta> hey koshi [11:04] <@Pasta> Can you give me quickly a few reads of yours [11:04] <@Pasta> just the names [11:04] <Koshi> HZ town [11:04] <Koshi> Firmtofu scum [11:04] <Koshi> That's kind ait [11:04] <@Pasta> did you read yamato? [11:04] <Koshi> kinda it* [11:04] <@Pasta> post-flip [11:05] <Koshi> I read his log [11:05] <@Pasta> the drh one? [11:05] <Koshi> His last message was interesting [11:05] <Koshi> No sec let me reread [11:06] <Koshi> he says that DH is not scum because DH is too emotional. That one? [11:08] <@Pasta> Well I was asking [11:08] <@Pasta> if you get any conclusions from reading yamato's filter [11:08] <@Pasta> now thta you know he's mafia [11:09] <@Pasta> 1 is pretty simple [11:09] <@Pasta> VE was the scum bandwagon of choice [11:09] <Koshi> Well, I found his last post strange. Where he says that we should lynch Sloosh, Ace and MG. Because he made that post in case that he would die, or he really didn't think he would die and wanted some town cred. [11:09] <Koshi> ah [11:10] <Koshi> Yeah VE was bandwagon for scum, I said that during night, [11:10] <@Pasta> what do you mean with town cred [11:10] <@Pasta> from thata post [11:11] <Koshi> That's what all town was saying, so he wanted to look like he belonged in the group. [11:11] <@Pasta> ah [11:12] <Koshi> Do you know FirmTofu well? [11:12] <@Pasta> I discussed him quite a lot with the other guy [11:12] <@Pasta> but I remain inconclusive on him [11:13] <@Pasta> Let me read your posts a sec [11:13] <@Pasta> to get an impression of where you stand [11:13] <Koshi> Ok. He really plays different than in the Nuclear game. Really strange how he suddenly backed off VE. [11:13] <Koshi> ok [11:13] <Koshi> I am watching IM atm, I am a big fan [11:14] <Koshi> Looks like I wont do much working -_- [11:14] <@Pasta> im? [11:14] <@Pasta> incredible miracle or what [11:15] <Koshi> yes in GSTL [11:15] <Koshi> Game 1 will start soon. [11:15] <@Pasta> alright [11:15] <@Pasta> question: Why didn't you mention VE among your reads? [11:16] <@Pasta> (I wish I could watch streams btw, but I have a shitty connection once I reach a bandwidth limit per month) [11:16] <@Pasta> not ve [11:16] <@Pasta> ACE [11:16] <@Pasta> cause you mention him as red in ur last post [11:16] <Koshi> I don't know what you mean [11:17] <Koshi> You mean now? In chat? [11:17] <@Pasta> yeah [11:17] <@Pasta> when i asked for reads [11:17] <@Pasta> you didn't say ace [11:17] <Koshi> Ace and Malongo are just being jackasses [11:17] <Koshi> I don't know what to say [11:17] <@Pasta> don't you think jackasses can be scum? [11:17] <Koshi> Sure. But what else is there to say. [11:17] <@Pasta> well [11:17] <Koshi> I can't give more info on Ace. [11:20] <@Pasta> I'm interested [11:20] <@Pasta> into why you mention ace but not malongo [11:21] <@Pasta> since they seem to fall into same category [11:21] <@Pasta> I'm aware you are a newbie btw [11:21] <@Pasta> just be honest [11:23] <@Pasta> but oh well [11:23] <@Pasta> you voted him previousy [11:24] <@Pasta> need to read fully before asking questions [11:25] <@Pasta> oh you even requested for me to mason you lol [11:25] <@Pasta> didn't see it sorry [11:25] <Koshi> np. I started the night post also explaining why I voted him [11:25] <Koshi> cleaning lady came in had to stop typing for a minute :D [11:26] <@Pasta> np [11:27] <@Pasta> Can I ask you what you were thinking around the VE lynch? [11:27] <Koshi> Well in ly nightpost I already say that we should take a good look at all the people voting for VE. We will find some scum there. [11:27] <Koshi> I still believe that. [11:28] <@Pasta> do you know of people pushing VE but not voting him? [11:28] <Koshi> However, with yamato already dieing [11:28] <@Pasta> and which do you think are most likely to be scumon that wagon [11:28] <@Pasta> you say FT is scum [11:28] <@Pasta> he was on SlOosh [11:29] <@Pasta> of which I'm quite suspicious [11:29] <@Pasta> there is much evidence that points to him being scum [11:30] <Koshi> It depends, if MG or Sloosh is scum then they will have taken a bigger risk maybe to save them and put 3 guys on VE? But they can't put 4 on them, so that's why I think FirmTofu left [11:30] <@Pasta> mg? [11:30] <Koshi> It is really strange how FirmTofu used CAPS to suddenly save VE. It is not his style to stop a tunnel. At least it wasn't in nuclear. [11:30] <@Pasta> mz? [11:31] <Koshi> The guy with 5 votes [11:31] <Koshi> I forgot name [11:31] <@Pasta> can you answer previous two questions too please? [11:31] <Koshi> ok [11:31] <@Pasta> thx bro [11:31] <@Pasta> really glad you've masoned me actually [11:32] <@Pasta> I masoned a guy who didn't reply for quite a while [11:32] <@Pasta> still don't know what he's up to [11:34] <Koshi> do you know of people pushing VE but not voting him? ---> Nope, I don't know about any scum, and I have major problems reading people. I would say rayn is town as well, but I don't know, him being silenced might be a scum play because rayn was saying too much in the PMs? Dont know. [11:35] <Koshi> But I see rayn as town. [11:35] <Koshi> <@Pasta> and which do you think are most likely to be scumon that wagon ------> My big day post will be around this. I have no clue atm but I will make a big post about it in the thread. [11:36] <@Pasta> alrighty then [11:36] <@Pasta> question then, why did you push VE but not vote for him? [11:37] <Koshi> I did not really push him. I really stared a LOONG ass time at this thread before I could say anything. I just didn't know what to type [11:37] <Koshi> But after reading filters I eventually ended up on VE. I made a case around him. [11:38] <@Pasta> I just find it kinda strange [11:38] <@Pasta> you write a case on VE [11:38] <@Pasta> and end up on Malongo [11:38] <Koshi> Yes, I don't like voting for people who make big posts. [11:39] <@Pasta> o [11:39] <@Pasta> k [11:39] <@Pasta> do you mind if I'm asking you so many questions? [11:39] <@Pasta> or do you have questions [11:40] <@Pasta> you seemed to suggest you're looking for advice [11:40] <Koshi> Nha, at this point I understand that I am super pro town looking. So you asking me questions is always good. [11:40] <Koshi> not super pro town* [11:41] <Koshi> Do you agree making a post about the remaining 5 guys that were on VE wagon is a good idea? [11:41] <Koshi> Because I will put a lot of time in that. [11:41] <@Pasta> well [11:42] <@Pasta> you think scum all ended up there? [11:42] <Koshi> With the nucclear game also still going (and it is money time) I have only so many hours [11:42] <Koshi> I think there is at least 1 more scum there [11:43] <Koshi> Or I think there is a good chance. Like 90% 1 more scum and 40% 2 more scum, and maybe there is a reason why firmtofu left the VE ship. [11:43] <Koshi> Thats like all I got for this game. [11:43] <@Pasta> What do you think of SlOosh [11:44] <Koshi> 1 question for you. Why did you stop that act with Constable Guido? Was it a one time post? An intro? [11:44] <Koshi> Everybody is on Sloosh so I didn't paid too much attention to it. [11:44] <Koshi> I shall give Sloosh a chapter in my big post as well [11:45] <@Pasta> well I stopped cause I felt serious about S & B [11:45] <@Pasta> need to be serious for people to listen to me [11:45] <@Pasta> and cause of laziness [11:45] <@Pasta> needs effort to write up stories [11:45] <@Pasta> Anyway, do you think SlOosh could be scum or not? [11:45] <@Pasta> tendentially [11:46] <Koshi> I really have 0 clues soz. Without reading. [11:47] <@Pasta> well I would be grateful if you read it at some point [11:47] <@Pasta> this game is all about reading [11:50] <Koshi> I have read it, I just don't really remember without rereading. [11:50] <Koshi> Sloosh --> Looks not scummy to me. He makes good posts and calls stuff like they are. [11:51] <Koshi> He also looks like a good player, so if he is not lynched it will become clear if he is useless or not [11:52] <Koshi> If he is scum he is a good scum, if he isn't scum we can use him. [11:52] <Koshi> I wouldn't take the risk lynching. [11:52] <@Pasta> ok [11:53] <Koshi> On the other hand. He kinda gave a comment about Hiro being useless. And then Hiro ended up dieing... But that is situational I guess. [11:54] <Koshi> Nha, if I had all the power I wouldn't lynch sloosh [11:55] <Koshi> He is just reading the game and giving good comments. He is playing the game, scum or not. [12:01] <Koshi> Send me a pm when you want to talk again. [12:01] <Koshi> ok? [12:02] <@Pasta> sure [12:02] <Koshi> laters. [11:04] <@Pasta> Can you give me quickly a few reads of yours [11:04] <@Pasta> just the names [11:04] <Koshi> HZ town [11:04] <Koshi> Firmtofu scum [11:04] <Koshi> That's kind ait [11:04] <@Pasta> did you read yamato? [11:04] <Koshi> kinda it* [11:04] <@Pasta> post-flip [11:05] <Koshi> I read his log [11:05] <@Pasta> the drh one? [11:05] <Koshi> His last message was interesting [11:05] <Koshi> No sec let me reread [11:06] <Koshi> he says that DH is not scum because DH is too emotional. That one? [11:08] <@Pasta> Well I was asking [11:08] <@Pasta> if you get any conclusions from reading yamato's filter [11:08] <@Pasta> now thta you know he's mafia [11:09] <@Pasta> 1 is pretty simple [11:09] <@Pasta> VE was the scum bandwagon of choice [11:09] <Koshi> Well, I found his last post strange. Where he says that we should lynch Sloosh, Ace and MG. Because he made that post in case that he would die, or he really didn't think he would die and wanted some town cred. [11:09] <Koshi> ah [11:10] <Koshi> Yeah VE was bandwagon for scum, I said that during night, [11:10] <@Pasta> what do you mean with town cred [11:10] <@Pasta> from thata post [11:11] <Koshi> That's what all town was saying, so he wanted to look like he belonged in the group. [11:11] <@Pasta> ah [11:12] <Koshi> Do you know FirmTofu well? [11:12] <@Pasta> I discussed him quite a lot with the other guy [11:12] <@Pasta> but I remain inconclusive on him [11:13] <@Pasta> Let me read your posts a sec [11:13] <@Pasta> to get an impression of where you stand [11:13] <Koshi> Ok. He really plays different than in the Nuclear game. Really strange how he suddenly backed off VE. [11:13] <Koshi> ok [11:13] <Koshi> I am watching IM atm, I am a big fan [11:14] <Koshi> Looks like I wont do much working -_- [11:14] <@Pasta> im? [11:14] <@Pasta> incredible miracle or what [11:15] <Koshi> yes in GSTL [11:15] <Koshi> Game 1 will start soon. [11:15] <@Pasta> alright [11:15] <@Pasta> question: Why didn't you mention VE among your reads? [11:16] <@Pasta> (I wish I could watch streams btw, but I have a shitty connection once I reach a bandwidth limit per month) [11:16] <@Pasta> not ve [11:16] <@Pasta> ACE [11:16] <@Pasta> cause you mention him as red in ur last post [11:16] <Koshi> I don't know what you mean [11:17] <Koshi> You mean now? In chat? [11:17] <@Pasta> yeah [11:17] <@Pasta> when i asked for reads [11:17] <@Pasta> you didn't say ace [11:17] <Koshi> Ace and Malongo are just being jackasses [11:17] <Koshi> I don't know what to say [11:17] <@Pasta> don't you think jackasses can be scum? [11:17] <Koshi> Sure. But what else is there to say. [11:17] <@Pasta> well [11:17] <Koshi> I can't give more info on Ace. [11:18] <Koshi> Ok are you reading the Mafia game? [11:18] <@Pasta> sure [11:18] <Koshi> Do you know somebody still there? [11:18] <@Pasta> sorry I don't understand [11:18] <Koshi> lol [11:18] <Koshi> sorry [11:18] <Koshi> I mean. Are you reading the nuclear mafia game [11:18] <@Pasta> ah [11:18] <@Pasta> no [11:20] <@Pasta> I'm interested [11:20] <@Pasta> into why you mention ace but not malongo [11:21] <@Pasta> since they seem to fall into same category [11:21] <@Pasta> I'm aware you are a newbie btw [11:21] <@Pasta> just be honest [11:23] <@Pasta> but oh well [11:23] <@Pasta> you voted him previousy [11:24] <@Pasta> need to read fully before asking questions [11:25] <@Pasta> oh you even requested for me to mason you lol [11:25] <@Pasta> didn't see it sorry [11:25] <Koshi> np. I started the night post also explaining why I voted him [11:25] <Koshi> cleaning lady came in had to stop typing for a minute :D [11:26] <@Pasta> np [11:27] <@Pasta> Can I ask you what you were thinking around the VE lynch? [11:27] <Koshi> Well in ly nightpost I already say that we should take a good look at all the people voting for VE. We will find some scum there. [11:27] <Koshi> I still believe that. [11:28] <@Pasta> do you know of people pushing VE but not voting him? [11:28] <Koshi> However, with yamato already dieing [11:28] <@Pasta> and which do you think are most likely to be scumon that wagon [11:28] <@Pasta> you say FT is scum [11:28] <@Pasta> he was on SlOosh [11:29] <@Pasta> of which I'm quite suspicious [11:29] <@Pasta> there is much evidence that points to him being scum [11:30] <Koshi> It depends, if MG or Sloosh is scum then they will have taken a bigger risk maybe to save them and put 3 guys on VE? But they can't put 4 on them, so that's why I think FirmTofu left [11:30] <@Pasta> mg? [11:30] <Koshi> It is really strange how FirmTofu used CAPS to suddenly save VE. It is not his style to stop a tunnel. At least it wasn't in nuclear. [11:30] <@Pasta> mz? [11:31] <Koshi> The guy with 5 votes [11:31] <Koshi> I forgot name [11:31] <@Pasta> can you answer previous two questions too please? [11:31] <Koshi> ok [11:31] <@Pasta> thx bro [11:31] <@Pasta> really glad you've masoned me actually [11:32] <@Pasta> I masoned a guy who didn't reply for quite a while [11:32] <@Pasta> still don't know what he's up to [11:34] <Koshi> do you know of people pushing VE but not voting him? ---> Nope, I don't know about any scum, and I have major problems reading people. I would say rayn is town as well, but I don't know, him being silenced might be a scum play because rayn was saying too much in the PMs? Dont know. [11:35] <Koshi> But I see rayn as town. [11:35] <Koshi> <@Pasta> and which do you think are most likely to be scumon that wagon ------> My big day post will be around this. I have no clue atm but I will make a big post about it in the thread. [11:36] <@Pasta> alrighty then [11:36] <@Pasta> question then, why did you push VE but not vote for him? [11:37] <Koshi> I did not really push him. I really stared a LOONG ass time at this thread before I could say anything. I just didn't know what to type [11:37] <Koshi> But after reading filters I eventually ended up on VE. I made a case around him. [11:38] <@Pasta> I just find it kinda strange [11:38] <@Pasta> you write a case on VE [11:38] <@Pasta> and end up on Malongo [11:38] <Koshi> Yes, I don't like voting for people who make big posts. [11:39] <@Pasta> o [11:39] <@Pasta> k [11:39] <@Pasta> do you mind if I'm asking you so many questions? [11:39] <@Pasta> or do you have questions [11:40] <@Pasta> you seemed to suggest you're looking for advice [11:40] <Koshi> Nha, at this point I understand that I am super pro town looking. So you asking me questions is always good. [11:40] <Koshi> not super pro town* [11:41] <Koshi> Do you agree making a post about the remaining 5 guys that were on VE wagon is a good idea? [11:41] <Koshi> Because I will put a lot of time in that. [11:41] <@Pasta> well [11:42] <@Pasta> you think scum all ended up there? [11:42] <Koshi> With the nucclear game also still going (and it is money time) I have only so many hours [11:42] <Koshi> I think there is at least 1 more scum there [11:43] <Koshi> Or I think there is a good chance. Like 90% 1 more scum and 40% 2 more scum, and maybe there is a reason why firmtofu left the VE ship. [11:43] <Koshi> Thats like all I got for this game. [11:43] <@Pasta> What do you think of SlOosh [11:44] <Koshi> 1 question for you. Why did you stop that act with Constable Guido? Was it a one time post? An intro? [11:44] <Koshi> Everybody is on Sloosh so I didn't paid too much attention to it. [11:44] <Koshi> I shall give Sloosh a chapter in my big post as well [11:45] <@Pasta> well I stopped cause I felt serious about S & B [11:45] <@Pasta> need to be serious for people to listen to me [11:45] <@Pasta> and cause of laziness [11:45] <@Pasta> needs effort to write up stories [11:45] <@Pasta> Anyway, do you think SlOosh could be scum or not? [11:45] <@Pasta> tendentially [11:46] <Koshi> I really have 0 clues soz. Without reading. [11:47] <@Pasta> well I would be grateful if you read it at some point [11:47] <@Pasta> this game is all about reading [11:50] <Koshi> I have read it, I just don't really remember without rereading. [11:50] <Koshi> Sloosh --> Looks not scummy to me. He makes good posts and calls stuff like they are. [11:51] <Koshi> He also looks like a good player, so if he is not lynched it will become clear if he is useless or not [11:52] <Koshi> If he is scum he is a good scum, if he isn't scum we can use him. [11:52] <Koshi> I wouldn't take the risk lynching. [11:52] <@Pasta> ok [11:53] <Koshi> On the other hand. He kinda gave a comment about Hiro being useless. And then Hiro ended up dieing... But that is situational I guess. [11:54] <Koshi> Nha, if I had all the power I wouldn't lynch sloosh [11:55] <Koshi> He is just reading the game and giving good comments. He is playing the game, scum or not. [12:01] <Koshi> Send me a pm when you want to talk again. [12:01] <Koshi> ok? [12:02] <@Pasta> sure [12:02] <Koshi> laters. [13:36] <Koshi> Hi are you here? [13:37] <Koshi> I ll lay down my ideas about the lynch. I want to hear your opinion because this is what I will use to make my post. [13:39] <Koshi> So after looking at the 3 targets: MZ, VE and Sloosh. I think that they are all 3 town or scum had some guys that could give a last vote to VE if needed, but that would be so risky to do. [13:40] <Koshi> Sloosh is in my eyes not scum, and on top of that FT voted on him. (HZ is confirmed town for me with his insane posting, I wonder if scum would take such a risk) [13:41] <Koshi> MZ is such a weirdo, maybe he is scum, but meh, why did he waste his vote. [13:41] <Koshi> I got a question, what happens in a tie situation? [13:43] <@Pasta> hi [13:44] <@Pasta> I don't think MZ is scum [13:44] <Koshi> yeah same. He is being too obvious about it. [13:45] <Koshi> Do you think Sloosh is scum? I see that you voted a lot on him. But eventually went SnB [13:45] <@Pasta> I didn't feel like lynching neither him nor VE D1 [13:45] <@Pasta> but now I think he could be scum [13:45] <@Pasta> reason being the bandwagons [13:45] <Koshi> Ok, so it comes down that probably scum didn't have to really take a risk on VE. The only reason they wanted him death over the other 2 is because he was America [13:47] <@Pasta> No [13:47] <@Pasta> I think SlOosh was scum lynch [13:47] <@Pasta> But scum needed another bandwagon and they didn't want to end all up on the same guy [13:48] <@Pasta> They needed it cause VE claimed [13:48] <@Pasta> and they were afraid people would go to SlOosh then [13:48] <@Pasta> the atmosphere allowed for a lurker lynch [13:48] <@Pasta> picking MZ out of malongo and ace is also suspicious [13:49] <@Pasta> anyway, that's why I think they started pushing MZ too [13:49] <@Pasta> and if kholly is scum [13:49] <@Pasta> it all fits [13:49] <Koshi> You say that scum wanted to lynch one of their own? Or that scum wanted to lynch a town Sloosh? [13:49] <@Pasta> no [13:49] <@Pasta> I say sloosh is scum [13:49] <@Pasta> and MZ is town [13:49] <Koshi> ok. [13:50] <Koshi> So kholly or Snb is probably the scum left on the VE wagon? [13:51] <@Pasta> yeah [13:51] <@Pasta> layabout, malongo ace [13:51] <@Pasta> i don't like these guys either [13:52] <@Pasta> currently leaning on FT being bad townie [13:52] <Koshi> Really? hmm I don't agree there. [13:52] <@Pasta> well, try to persuade me then [13:52] <Koshi> DH is 100% town right? [13:52] <@Pasta> what's scummy about him that I don't see [13:53] <Koshi> First of all. FirmTofu is a heavy tunneler. If you want I can look in his nuclear game and prove that. [13:53] <Koshi> I see no reason why he suddenly swapped away from VE and capslock defended him [13:53] <Koshi> But only ONCE defended him [13:54] <Koshi> If FT is certain about something. He will give the reasons why [13:54] <Koshi> not only once. [13:55] <Koshi> That's pure the feeling I got from him playing nuclear. I should verify that and will do that for my big post. [13:55] <Koshi> You will read it there ;D [13:55] <Koshi> DH is 100% town because he is taking such risks with his posting. [13:55] <Koshi> 40 messages? Jeezus he could get modkilled. [13:56] <Koshi> He is 6/15 already in Day 2 and will probably go way over it again. People also don't udnerstand you can only give 5 posts away in total and receive 5 posts in total. [13:57] <Koshi> So... DH is probably a modkill soon and I can't see how scummy DH would do that. So his certainty about TF is pure emotion. [13:58] <Koshi> add that with my own suspiciousness. I am going to get FT lynched as well. [13:58] <Koshi> Ace also says FT came out red. [13:58] <Koshi> FT should just get killed so we know what's up. [13:58] <Koshi> Town looking pretty good btw. 2/7 scum death if you count traitor. pretty good :d [13:59] <Koshi> Anyway, to go back where I started [13:59] <@Pasta> im not a huge fan of meta [13:59] <@Pasta> meta got ve lynched [13:59] <@Pasta> but i use it too [13:59] <@Pasta> tbh [13:59] <@Pasta> it's what makes oats look bad [14:01] <Koshi> I can say that oats is 99% confirmed scum in the nuclear game. But I can't reveale too much about it with me also still being in the game and stuff... [14:01] <@Pasta> I'm hinting to him being scum here [14:01] <@Pasta> I don't care about nuclear [14:01] <@Pasta> (I hope I'm not sounding hostile) [14:02] <Koshi> nha it's all good [14:02] <@Pasta> but I want to go with what's in this game [14:03] <Koshi> yeah, because I can't read properly I am putting to much attention into meta and conspiracies. [14:04] <Koshi> Ok. I need to do some work. I think I will just make my big post and see what happens. [14:04] <Koshi> Most of the time I get ignored anyway [14:04] <Koshi> Thx for your time. [14:06] <@Pasta> np [01:45] <Viv> man [01:45] <Viv> joined wrong channel [01:45] <Viv> typed in the name I used for Hiro [01:46] <@Koshi> hehe [01:46] <@Koshi> You and HiroPro were masons? [01:51] <Viv> yeah [01:51] <Viv> posted in the thread [01:51] <Viv> :d [01:51] <Viv> the logs are there [01:51] <Viv> only pm logs [01:51] <Viv> fucked up saving irc logs [01:51] <Viv> -.- [01:51] <Viv> anyway [01:52] <Viv> who do you think will you lynch today [01:52] <@Koshi> Meh, long day still. imo too many people are lurking atm. [01:53] <@Koshi> FT came out better today, dnu is scum is licking their wounds or just trying to hide in teh shadows [01:53] <@Koshi> Rayn looked a bit bad not? [01:53] <Viv> Not really [01:53] <@Koshi> Was gumshoe confirmed blue? [01:54] <Viv> yeah [01:54] <Viv> bodyguard [01:54] <@Koshi> ah, ok I missed that [01:54] <@Koshi> Yeah but before that [01:54] <@Koshi> before the kill [01:54] <Viv> ah [01:54] <Viv> idk [01:54] <Viv> i think I'm close to scum [01:54] <@Koshi> I pressured Rayn on that. Rayn replied with Gunshoe being a confirmed blue [01:55] <@Koshi> 2) gumshoe was claimed blue, is that not a good reason to hit someone? [01:55] <@Koshi> Dnu what that means actually. "claimed blue" [01:55] <Viv> well [01:55] <Viv> when someone says he has a role [01:55] <Viv> he claims blue [01:56] <Viv> cause roles usually are written in blue [01:56] <@Koshi> ahhyeah obviously. I missed Gumshoe saying that but it is possible. [01:56] <@Koshi> So who you think is scum? [01:56] <Viv> see this quote from yamato [01:56] <Viv> filter Rayn, talk to me about Sloosh. Generally when I've played with Sloosh and he's scum, he goes into afk lurker mode and never posts. Seeing as that hasn't happened yet, I'm generally not thrilled with the idea of lynching him. What makes him a better lynch than VE? [01:57] <@Koshi> I remember that sentence. [01:57] <Viv> afk lurker mode [01:57] <Viv> do you think sloosh fits the profile? [01:57] <@Koshi> No, I already said that. [01:57] <Viv> :/ [01:57] <Viv> you don't want to lynch SlOosh, I take [01:58] <@Koshi> He is playing the game? [01:58] <Viv> barely [01:58] <Viv> he only posted when he had to defend himself [01:58] <Viv> koshi [01:58] <Viv> It is my utmost priority to get people to lynch sloosh now [01:59] <@Koshi> Alright I join you. [01:59] <@Koshi> Never played with Sloosh. [01:59] <Viv> very nice [01:59] <Viv> that also takes away some doubts about you [01:59] <@Koshi> meh, we will see [01:59] <Viv> cause you contributed in moving lynch from him to ve [01:59] <Viv> hence I wanted to see how your attitude was [01:59] <Viv> i am analyzing the D1 bandwagon still [02:00] <Viv> anyway, will post a case on SlOosh soon [02:00] <Viv> off to reading more for a bit [02:00] <@Koshi> I am off to bed soon :D. Going to watch me some Modern Family and sleep. [02:00] <@Koshi> Tomorrow I ll join that case vs Sloosh. [02:01] <@Koshi> If I get lynched for it I will be posting these logs :D [02:01] <Viv> lol [02:01] <Viv> ok [02:01] <Viv> no worries [02:01] <Viv> good night and hf watching [02:02] <@Koshi> Thank you. Sleep well. Say hi to the (yet missing one guess) scumteam Scum #1 - SlOosh SlOosh has been (D1) mostly absent from the thread except when he had to defend himself. Even D2 his activity is underwhelming. He has been misrepresented early game by some of FT's actions, who we now know of that he was town. Despite being constantly attacked by FT with obvious misrepresentations, he has shown zero suspicion of that guy in the process, he even went as far as giving him a townread. SlOosh is lacking the suspicion a townie should have of such players, especially at early stages. If you want to know how a townie should react to what FT did, DrT is prototypical for that reaction, when he relentlessly pursued FT for his numerous mistakes and inconsistencies and misrepresentations. SlOosh instead skips over everything FT did to him to give him a townread based on the "back-and-forth" with DrH, and doesn't care that he's being attacked unfairly. + Show Spoiler [SlOosh's unnatural reaction] + On July 17 2013 00:54 slOosh wrote: I don't think they shouldn't form around one player, it's too easily countered and dangerous if they are scum. I was thinking wheels of, say three players, and then linking the wheels slowly. Still don't understand how you can build circles by masoning only scum reads though. What? I said if people are unsure, they should avoid it because it can cause more problems than be of benefit. How am I making a "concerted effort to discourage people from using PMs"? Show me where I said no one should mason. On July 17 2013 14:29 slOosh wrote: I don't think FirmTofu is scum. Continuously choosing to attract attention by engaging with DrH seems really difficult for fresh off newbie games-scum to pull off. I checked out the game and I think you have confirmation bias. His first post in Nuclear Winter is ~20 hours into the day, and his mega post is ~32 hours into the day, opposed to less than an hour in this game. I read maybe half of D1 in NWM, and the most he is called out for is inactivity. When both VE and SlOosh are at danger of being lynched, they both make their entrance into the thread attacking each other. At this point, SlOosh has ONE scumread, all he cares about is pushing VE, he doesn't show doubt, he doesn't talk about other people, even when there are 6 scum + traitor in the game. SlOosh only wants to save his own hide, and VE is the counterwagon scum needs for that. But then...VE claims. Scum now is afraid of the wagons moving back to SlOosh, they need another guy to push to make sure the votes stay away from SlOosh when they might go away from VE. [01:47] <Pasta> imagine you're scum now [01:47] <Pasta> SlOosh is scum [01:47] <Pasta> You're comfortably pushing the VE wagon [01:47] <Pasta> then he claims america [01:47] <Pasta> and people start getting off him [01:48] <Pasta> threatening to lynch SlOosh [01:48] <Pasta> what will you do [01:48] <Pasta> Btw I checked the thing *snip* [01:48] <MASON> mhmm *snip* [01:49] <MASON> scum would either try to rally people back to VE, or they would jump on the next best wagon [01:49] <Pasta> yeah [01:49] <Pasta> that's what we look for [01:49] <MASON> if sloosh is their scumbuddy, that wagon is mz [01:49] <Pasta> also notice [01:49] <Pasta> I posted the post about S & B [01:49] <Pasta> with list of his scumreads [01:50] <Pasta> it has sloosh in it [01:50] <Pasta> but he never pursues it after the first mention [01:50] <Pasta> and ends up on VE More about S & B soon. Scum #2 - Layabout + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2013 09:55 layabout wrote: It is not without regret that i will be voting for VisceraEyes today. He made a claim that i see no good reason for town to make. He did not explain it. He did not attempt to confirm it. He simply used it for self preservation. Everytime time he does this i will vote for him. #vote: VisceraEyes other stuff: slightly waffly context: It's important to note that the things you share in PMs and the things you share with the thread are very different. In general stuff in the thread is posted to works towards a goal like getting reaction persuading people directing discussion etc. But in PMs you can talk about the game the big and the small, the little things that you are thinking about but might not want to share with the thread or that you want another opinion on. But a very large part of VE's reason for voting slOosh is that slOosh is PMing VE about the small stuff. Or rather something that VE does not think should be the main focus of the game right now. But what slOosh has done is send a perfectly reasonable PM and VE has tried to use that to tell us that slOosh's priorities are skewed as if slOosh had posted that in the thread. VE's entire reason for pushing slOosh is inflated and intentionally out of context. I challenge you to read malongo's filter and come back and say it justifies VE's efforts in pushing him. VE is scum On July 18 2013 12:28 layabout wrote: so much awful On July 19 2013 10:47 layabout wrote: also FU firm vayne's attitude is anti-town regardless of his alignment and killing him because of that is fine and slOosh if VE can confrim his role and  MaFia can shoot him of course we should leave him  aLiveslOsh's attitude really does not fell like the attitude of somebody that is trying to find scum. I think he is deliberately overlooking stuff that should be obvious . Deadline was at 12:00 This one is easy to catch. Layabout, while pushing VE, claimed that his arguments for SlOosh being scum were inflated. In retrospect, he argued that VE "obviously" had to be left alive. Layabout had the power to leave VE alive by simply switching to SlOosh (and layabout was around deadline, as visible from the timestamps), who he afterwards claimed to have found scummy for similar reasons VE used. By now, the two of them are apparently bussing each other, if you can call it like that. I call them half-assed pushes that lack of any conviction. Layabout is basically afk since he wrote that. SlOosh is asking questions unrelated to his case, he lacks the ambition of a townie who knows he has good arguments at hand. more to come soon. | ||
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On July 20 2013 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: No townie should be a douchbag and he is clearly not even trying to play the game, and when he is he is saying bad stuff. For example, see how he answers the Oats case. He is not even looking at the case but instead saying "i don't see anything scummy in his filter". He hasn't done anything that helps town and MZ is not that bad. Kholly is second on my list. Yo lurkers, if you are town gimme some posts as you cleraly don't need them. I do. I don't really care if no townie should be a douchebag, for some reason he's decided to be for much of this game. Kholly is way more likely to be mafia than MZ. kush thinks I didn't "defend" VE enough so I'm not going to let you vote for someone I think is a bad lynch compared to Kholly. strongandbig - I would like to know who you talked to in PMs regarding your shot on Ace, and if there are any logs of you doing so. If it was a unilateral shot then... well, yeah. | ||
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On July 20 2013 13:42 FirmTofu wrote: Alright, I'm going to claim because I'm really disappointed with my reads and I don't think I can get myself out of this mislynch unless someone corroborates my claim somehow. I visited DrH night one. At the time, I thought he was VT/mafia and definitely not blue. I visited him because I didn't want to screw up some blue's night actions by accident and he seemed like a safe choice considering he was probably town's strongest collective town read. I thought if he was town, he might get attacked. If you lynch me, I won't blame you. This is by far my worst game on TL Mafia. Ugh. Firmtofu the Jailkeeper has been modkilled. You are the Jailkeeper! You win with the town. At night you may choose to Jail any player. This player cannot act or be acted upon. Sandroba the townie has been modkilled. For anyone observing, I just made the official obs QT after a variety of requests for one. Didn't realize that was such a big deal nowadays  | ||
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