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On July 20 2013 04:28 Koshi wrote:
@FirmTofu
When you went off the VE wagon, you only defended VE once. Why didn't you put more and better effort in saving VE? I remember you to really like to be agressive and take the lead in the Nuclear game. You could have done more than once caps lock a defense for VE right?
Are you saying I'm not aggressive in this game? I am at the forefront of all discussion BECAUSE I pissed off so many people. That only happens when you're town. That only happens when you're aggressive.
About VE:
1) There were like 10 minutes left in night. I had to get out a defense of VE as quickly as possible so that voters would have the maximum amount of time possible to switch their votes.
2) My effort should have been enough reason to convince any town member not to vote for VE. I stated exactly why he deserved to live in a concise and rational manner.
3) I was hitting my post count limit and I didn't have the luxury of to just keep posting incessantly to convince people.
4) Why aren't you asking all the other idiots who didn't even bother to ask people to vote someone other than VE?
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On July 20 2013 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 04:45 Koshi wrote:On July 20 2013 04:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi why not vote for OATS? Like I said, the guy is just afk-ish. You can blame him for not caring about this game and pressure vote him. I decided to do that with kholly because if oats deserve your vote, kholly deserves a couple as well. And the whole thing with you blaming oats for assuming that gumshoe did not defend somebody is just as simple by you as by Oats. Pure mathematically: Is it not more likely that Gumshoe picked the right target to defend than that he was targeted by scum? Add the fact that Gumshoe kinda claimed himself that he protected the right target... Don't know why you don't consider that, but go so harshly on Oats for making a wrong assumption. As i said: 1) How would gumshoe know he was not hit and protected someone? 2) gumshoe was claimed blue, is that not a good reason to hit someone?
1) I don't know. But fact is that Gumshoe himself said: "I did my job"
2) I didn't know gumshoe was claimed blue. How and where did that happen?
@FirmTofu Your first day was overwhelmed with discussing with DH. It started with your opening post into a gigantic clusterfuck discussion about everything and then some. At a moment you even attack MZ and sided with yamato to discredit DH.
Your posting today is a lot better though. Clear red reads and I know you will follow up if you don't have to defend to much. Once in the defense the post limit makes it hard to also go in attackmode as well.
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Hey guys, how do you feel about asking vigilante (if there is one, because I'm not rayn and I don't assume everyone has a role =P) to vigi FT?
Scenario 1a:
Lynch FT, FT is scum, continue scum hunting.
Scenario 1b:
Vigi FT, FT is scum, fast forward scum hunting process.
Scenario 2a:
Lynch FT, FT is town, panic and confusion ensues, DrH commits seppuku, fingers of confusion point towards Ace and we get to do night actions and wait to decide if we lynch Ace tomorrow.
Scenario 2b:
Lynch FT, FT is town, panic and confusion ensues, DrH commits seppuku, we get down to business on Ace and lynch him today/he talks his way out of it and we lynch another likely mafia target.
Feels like we speed things up either way and killing off FT would let us focus on "normal" mafia hunting instead of this clusterfuck of Ace claiming. Thoughts?
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On July 20 2013 06:00 Korynne wrote:
Hey guys, how do you feel about asking vigilante (if there is one, because I'm not rayn and I don't assume everyone has a role =P) to vigi FT?
Scenario 1a:
Lynch FT, FT is scum, continue scum hunting.
Scenario 1b:
Vigi FT, FT is scum, fast forward scum hunting process.
Scenario 2a:
Lynch FT, FT is town, panic and confusion ensues, DrH commits seppuku, fingers of confusion point towards Ace and we get to do night actions and wait to decide if we lynch Ace tomorrow.
Scenario 2b:
Lynch FT, FT is town, panic and confusion ensues, DrH commits seppuku, we get down to business on Ace and lynch him today/he talks his way out of it and we lynch another likely mafia target.
Feels like we speed things up either way and killing off FT would let us focus on "normal" mafia hunting instead of this clusterfuck of Ace claiming. Thoughts?
Could we maybe consider vig'ing Ace? After all, he has done absolutely nothing for the town and from your perspective, we are equally likely to be mafia?
I dunno, I guess you could say he could be a cop whereas I have no claim to blue so I'm less valuable. I would disagree.
Regardless, I agree that shooting me is probably a smarter play than lynching me. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.
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FT could you answer me why MZ & Sloosh come green after looking at yamato's filter?
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Also if you have a mason left, mason me. If not, who are you masoned with?
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to everyone like me who thinks ft is very town, we should consolidate on someone.
id do sloosh, marv, haven't really looked into anyone else but I would also do oats just because he is an unreadable pos
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eh nvm. just read fts filter for the first time. he does.seem too focused on defense. gogo lynch ft.
##vote ft
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On July 19 2013 23:36 Vivax wrote:S & B, what do you think about Oats? Can your reasoning against Tofu hence be reduced to this? Show nested quote +- drh's meta comparison of this game to nuclear winter, where tofu flipped town; especially the comparison of the first big post tofu makes in each game
- tofu starts off saying drh "made good points" about him then calls the same points lies when drh doesn't back off
Did you find anything you find scummy that no one else noticed yet? Can you find me an example for the second point? What do you think is the difference in first post that makes him specifically scum?
tofu questions:
1. no. i saw a decent case that matched a claimed cop check. although i was the one to doubt the cop check, the fact that the case was decent and agreed with it was enough for me to vote.
2. not sure what you mean by an example since drh has already laid it out, but tofu using language like " The points against me are completely valid and you should all definitely look at them." and then calling drh "inflammatory" and "emotional" sounds like a transition from appeasement to discrediting when appeasement didn't work. but yeah if you're trying to get me to admit that i didn't write the tofu case then fine.
or do you not agree with drh's characterization of tofu? cause that would be good to know about, you could share it with the thread.
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On July 17 2013 09:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&user=FirmTofu^ Filter from Nuclear Winter where FirmTofu is town. Let me demonstrate marked differences. Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 04:54 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, I've got plenty of time now and I've finally got my computer back. I have skimmed through the thread and I'd just like to point out a few things before posting my mega post(tm).
Two main people have been targeted as lynches today.
Johnnywup and rayn both look like easy scum redirects. In other words, relatively weak town members that would be easy to lynch if push comes to shove. I think you should be watching any and all players on those respective wagons and see how their votes change over the course of the thread.
I'm having trouble understanding this Chezinu guy. Apparently, he's a troll? I'm unfamiliar with his persona so could anyone explain? I've still gotta read his claim in detail so I'll post more about that later. In Nuclear Winter FirmTofu is immediately concerned with reads on players and is working on something constructive. His megapost is also completely concerned with reads: He breaks down his arguments unemotionally and the argument is composed almost entirely of quotes/support. Let's contrast this with his play in this game: Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 13:05 FirmTofu wrote:FirmTofu's MegaKickstarting Post:Hey y'all! I know I've been waiting for this game for a long time and I'm sure you all have as well. This game is somewhat non-standard, so there are a few things I'd like to address before we get started. On May 29 2013 12:27 Ver wrote:
This is a closed setup
Because this setup is closed, we have to make sure we do not make any unnecessary assumptions that center around speculation about the roles. Speculation is largely a waste of time given the amount of information provided in the OP, so we should stick to the basics. Additionally, we definitely should not be directing blue roles that we aren't even sure exist. Big Plays: If you think of some mastermind play that you think will fool mafia and confuse them, please don't use it. As brilliant as your plan may be, a closed setup has too many variables to account for and your plan could potentially confuse the town more than the mafia. Lying: If you are town, DO NOT lie. If all of town follows this rule, we can separate town and mafia into two distinct categories, liars and non-liars, respectively. We can lynch liars without fear of them flipping town AS LONG AS every town member strictly adheres to this rule. The Traitor:On May 29 2013 12:27 Ver wrote:
All the town knows is this:
5 Mafia
1 Traitor
5 mafia, 1 traitor. Anyone up for some math? 5/24=0.20833333333 (5+1)/24=0.25 The one traitor adds about 4% to the strength of the team. As the game progresses, the denominator gets lower. Assuming we don't get insanely lucky, the percentage of mafia will increase over time. The influence of the traitor will start to compound and he will become a greater threat. We obviously need to keep an eye out for the traitor, but specifically hunting for him in the early days will be a waste of resources, in my opinion. How to catch the traitor!The traitor might get antsy and try to drop a few hints for mafia to pick up (to try and join them). We need to stay vigilant to find these subtle hints and make sure we call them out as soon as we see them. PMs:I'm thinking that we should choose our best town reads as PM targets. I'm somewhat unfamiliar with this mechanic, so if a more experienced player can give his thoughts about it, that would be great. This goes without saying, but remember to choose your pm targets wisely! This means NOT wasting both of your choices on Day 1 based on weak reads. Post Count Limit:We have a moderately strict 20 post limit during day. This means absolutely NO one-liner posts. Try to make longer posts that include multiple quotes. Respond to multiple points simultaneously. If you want to give your reads, do it all in one post. We need people to also save posts to ensure they can respond to accusations should they be accused. Plan ahead. Most of this stuff should be obvious, so I'm not going to beat a dead horse. Alright, that's all I've got for now. Let's have a good, clean game. GL HF! MegaPost - all fluff - no substance. The attitude is different, he's very flowery and fluffy whereas in Nuclear Winter he more or less gets to the point in every post.
yes i did read the case before i voted for it.
oats question - this is a little less of a waste of time. the main new development since i posted
On July 17 2013 23:38 strongandbig wrote:
after looking through his filter again, he's no longer one of my top scum reads ATM, he's still silly aggressive but he's engaging and updating his reads enough and nothing in his filter super-pings my radar after those first few posts.
was ryan's chatlog push, which is dumb. based on gumshoe's post after he died, the logical assumption is that gumshoe targeted someone to protect last night, and based on the fact that well-known good scumhunters like marv, ryan, wiggles etc are in the game the logical conclusion is that gumshoe died protecting his target.
the only new things in oats's filter since D1 are his message chain with VE (short, null) and a bunch of one-liners (also null). i would like to see a real comment on the ace/ft/drh situation (especially the fakeclaim) but i see no reason to update my read.
also ##unvote: firmtofu until we resolve this ace fakeclaim situation.
(4/20)
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just read kolly he looks scummy too and is vote for him
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On July 20 2013 07:16 kushm4sta wrote:
eh nvm. just read fts filter for the first time. he does.seem too focused on defense. gogo lynch ft.
##vote ft
Okay, hold on. You are the same guy who is saying that Ace fakeclaimed.
On July 20 2013 02:11 kushm4sta wrote:
so his response to aces fake claim makes him scummy?
You are also the same guy that said I am town because of my response to the fakeclaim.
On July 20 2013 02:56 kushm4sta wrote:
oats - this guy is pretty unreadable. I can see him easily being town or scum. I have definitely seen him act like this as town.
ft - town. his response to aces fake claim was really in depth and townie. go reread it of you think it makes him scummy because honestly it is one of the towniest things in the game.
Why are you waffling based on no new information?
On July 20 2013 07:21 strongandbig wrote:
the only new things in oats's filter since D1 are his message chain with VE (short, null) and a bunch of one-liners (also null). i would like to see a real comment on the ace/ft/drh situation (especially the fakeclaim) but i see no reason to update my read.
also ##unvote: firmtofu until we resolve this ace fakeclaim situation.
(4/20)
I'm sorry, what? You seem to be certain that Ace fake claimed. Unless you were in my position and you knew I was town, I don't see how you are so sure. Additionally, if you are so sure that Ace fakeclaimed, then why did you vote me to begin with? DrH's case was available for all of day 1, and you didn't even pass me a second glance. Obviously, the Ace claim made you vote me. Why are you now saying that it's FoS?
Everyone needs to take a close look at kush and SnB.
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Ace said he fakeclaimed...........
Also FoS stands for Finger of Suspicion not Full of Shit. You can just write that one out.
(5/20)
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On July 20 2013 07:50 strongandbig wrote:
Ace said he fakeclaimed...........
Also FoS stands for Finger of Suspicion not Full of Shit. You can just write that one out.
(5/20)
Nevermind, I apologize for my last post. I can't believe I didn't see that...
Going to unvote Ace until I figure out his true intentions. Voting kholly because Chez needs to die.
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After much discussion in PMs, it was decided that I should post the following:
Vivax was checked last night. He is mafia.
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is this a real claim or a fake claim
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fuck everyone who is using pms instead of posting in the thread
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post 13
holy shite i need to consolidate. but yeah guess im voting vivax now.
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On July 20 2013 07:16 kushm4sta wrote:
eh nvm. just read fts filter for the first time. he does.seem too focused on defense. gogo lynch ft.
##vote ft
lololololololololol
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crazy thing is I only voted VE on a whim. Didn't care if he lived or died. If I wanted to really kill him for claiming I would have interacted with him. Never even spoke to him, or anyone else in the thread about his claim.
I just went to sleep.
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On July 20 2013 09:44 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 07:16 kushm4sta wrote:
eh nvm. just read fts filter for the first time. he does.seem too focused on defense. gogo lynch ft.
##vote ft lololololololololol
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