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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
On July 20 2013 02:02 kushm4sta wrote: what is this great ft case everyone is referring to? the meta one drh did? cause that is improper use of meta. Ace fake claimed cop with a red check on FT because he don't give a fuck. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 20 2013 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ace fake claimed cop with a red check on FT because he don't give a fuck. I don't know what game you are reading MZ, but at least not all of the people are not referring to Ace's cop claim. Why are you spreading lies? Also why not vote for Oats? FT: Wanna lynch Oats? | ||
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Vivax
22409 Posts
At least he has to explain himself. Though, is is a temerary statement for him to make. ##Unvote ##Vote Oats | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
ft - town. his response to aces fake claim was really in depth and townie. go reread it of you think it makes him scummy because honestly it is one of the towniest things in the game. marv - scum or third party. Really seems like he doesn't give a shit. defended yamato. defended sloosh. said he thought dbz lynch was retarded but did nothing to stop it. The least he should have done is change his cote to sloosh. sloosh - scum. the dbz lynch was retarded. beyond retarded. like a negative score on the iq test retarded. he claimed and he could PROVE his role the next day. yet he was still lynched. this points to dbz lynch being the scum alternative to the sloosh wagon. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 20 2013 02:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Rayn explain the oats case to me like I'm five because I just went through his filter and didn't see anything particularly bad. I just made a fucking case? | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
My Reads: As Townie as Town ever Towned: DrHelvetica - There's no way he's pushing be this hard for this long if he's mafia. His PMs with yamato also seem genuine. VayneAuthority - Way too genuine about everything he says. Although he isn't particularly useful, he is very good at looking town. Meapak_Zipph - yamato's filter in basically incompatible with Meapak being on his scumteam. Vivax - Vivax never wanted to lynch VE. He was a core part of a mason group that linked VE and a few other people together. He has genuine chat logs that he posted with numerous people. He is far too honest and open to be mafia. (I used to have gumshoe on this list  )Leaning Town: slOosh - Considering that yamato was adamant about pursuing a slOosh lynch on Day 2 had he lived, slOosh is unlikely to be on his team. Korynne - Lots of good posts that probe people. I'm getting an overall town vibe from him. marvellosity - Although he generally tends to think I'm scum, he did post his logs with yamato. I can see his reasoning from a town perspective so I think he is town. raynpelikoneet - Similar to my read on Korynne in many ways. rayn is playing pro-town by being very open about PMs and constantly asking questions and looking for answers. His recent chat logs with Oats are indicative of this. kushm4sta - Considering that I am about 90% sure that Ace is scum, I see no reason for his scum teammate to discredit early on after his claim. This is exactly what kushm4sta did. Koshi - He thought Ace and I were on the same scumteam. That is reason enough for me to think he is town(albeit not a strong read). Null: layabout - I upgraded layabout because I no longer think slOosh is scum. Initially, I thought that they were very closely related, but it seems layabout had a bit of an argument with slOosh during night 1. layabout could still very well be scum, but it is hard to say at the moment. Mr. Wiggles - Was the first vote on VE, I believe. He could be scum, but his case for VE was definitely convincing. I'm not sure I can say one way or another. Oatsmaster - Although the chat logs that rayn had with Oats are somewhat convincing, I'm not just ready to move Oats down into scum territory yet. I think assuming that the bodyguard died protecting someone is a fair assumption for a townie to make and is not necessarily alignment-indicative. Most of his other posts about logs have been fairly open. I would be willing to lynch him, but only if Ace doesn't gather enough votes. sandroba - lol. Scum: Ace - Read my previous post for my case on Ace. I am almost certain he fakeclaimed and is not a stupid cop who picked me to investigate AFTER claiming cop. Jesus Christ. SnB - Not sure what to say. He's been pretty useless this game. He's voting for me, but he's leaving himself an out for when I flip green by saying shit like "I'm not entirely convinced, but DrH's case was kinda good so fuck it." I'm paraphrasing, obviously. He would be a solid lynch. kholly - His voting patterns are consistent with scum. He is Chez and is playing like a mafia Chez. He has a bunch of people I think are town on his scumlist. Kill him. Adam4167 - I believe he only has one sarcastic post in the entire thread that is a soft-defense of Ace. Adam is far better than this. Malango - Buddying Ace like there's no tomorrow. Completely useless to town. Vigi this guy ASAP. If I missed anyone let me know. Disclaimer: My town reads are a lot stronger than my scumreads. However, by identifying my town reads, I used the process of elimination to narrow down scum. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On July 20 2013 02:56 kushm4sta wrote: oats - this guy is pretty unreadable. I can see him easily being town or scum. I have definitely seen him act like this as town. ft - town. his response to aces fake claim was really in depth and townie. go reread it of you think it makes him scummy because honestly it is one of the towniest things in the game. marv - scum or third party. Really seems like he doesn't give a shit. defended yamato. defended sloosh. said he thought dbz lynch was retarded but did nothing to stop it. The least he should have done is change his cote to sloosh. sloosh - scum. the dbz lynch was retarded. beyond retarded. like a negative score on the iq test retarded. he claimed and he could PROVE his role the next day. yet he was still lynched. this points to dbz lynch being the scum alternative to the sloosh wagon. kushm4sta is scum, this post is basically proof oatsmaster is probably scum but im unwilling to stop bandwagoning firmtofu. if firmtofu is not lynched in this game I will never sign up for another mafia game again in my life. my case cannot be reduced to meta (the least important part of my case, just extra evidence that is acctually getting stronger over time if you pay attention to what FT Is actually doing) or the simple point of him validating me (which singlehandedly pproves he is scum and not town, beyond a shadow of a doubt) there is way more but people are too lazy to read or comprehend the business about sloOsh, i'm almost ready to give up on this game because of this regardless - oats is an acceptable lynch - he was very active in PMing me before, probing my mind and trying to gain an understanding of what I was thinking - as soon as I stopped pressuring him at all in PMs or going to him, he completely stopped PMing me or offering any thought whatsoever, he wasn't utilizing our mason at all. tbh this is what first made me suspicious of yamato77, was that I had to try really hard to get anything out of them. Oatsmaster has been doing this thing in PMs with me where he answers one question of mine and not really the other until I really push him for it. But he hasn't PMd me since the first half of Day 1 actually. That's very odd. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
He's town. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 20 2013 03:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:if firmtofu is not lynched in this game I will never sign up for another mafia game again in my life. I hope you don't actually follow through on that. I enjoyed playing with you and I would love to play with you again. Also, when I flip town, don't quit mafia and don't ragequit out of this game. Pinky promise? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Oatsmaster: Voted for VE 1 minute after the voting thread was created and never took his vote off VE. (wtf) But that being said, Oats left for bed before VE made his (15/15) post and before VE claimed America. On July 20 2013 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + [17:07:52] <Oatsmaster> can you look through gumshoe's filter and see if he breadcrumbed anything about his defence? [17:07:00] <Oatsmaster> cause that guy is confirmed town [17:07:17] <raynpelik0neet> what do you mean by "his defence"? [17:07:30] <Oatsmaster> like bodyguard shit [17:07:33] <Oatsmaster> i think its marv [17:07:35] <Oatsmaster> but I dunno [17:07:27] <raynpelik0neet> what, i don't follow [17:07:33] <raynpelik0neet> can you walk me through it [17:07:40] <Oatsmaster> gumshoe is a bodyguard [17:07:43] <raynpelik0neet> yeah and died [17:07:53] <Oatsmaster> he protected someone which means he gets killed if the dude he is protecting is shot [17:07:05] <Oatsmaster> which means the dude he is protecting is confirmed town [18:11] <raynpelik0neet> Oats [18:12] <raynpelik0neet> how do you know gumshoe actually protected someone? Usually BG's do not get notification as they die. How would gumshoe know he protected someone succesfully? Do you know mafia hit someone else than gumshoe? [18:15] <Oatsmaster> lol easy game [18:15] <Oatsmaster> cause he said he did his job [18:15] <raynpelik0neet> .. [18:15] <Oatsmaster> ? [18:15] <raynpelik0neet> why would he know about a succesful protection? [18:16] <Oatsmaster> ah [18:16] <Oatsmaster> true [18:16] <Oatsmaster> but i dunno why gumshoe and not like 3 other dudes more townie [18:16] <raynpelik0neet> because blue? [18:16] <Oatsmaster> anyway it doesnt really matter [18:16] <raynpelik0neet> ofc it does [18:16] <Oatsmaster> cause I dunno who he protected [18:17] <raynpelik0neet> you said mafia hit someone else [18:17] <Oatsmaster> it matters if we know [18:17] <raynpelik0neet> when gumshoe can't know that [18:17] <Oatsmaster> we dont know [18:17] <Oatsmaster> oh the extra info [18:17] <Oatsmaster> right [18:17] <Oatsmaster> i would know who is confirmed town then wouldnt i [18:19] <raynpelik0neet> you kinda said [18:19] <raynpelik0neet> marv is [18:24] <Oatsmaster> i did [18:25] <Oatsmaster> but now I dont [18:25] <Oatsmaster> because no actual evidence [18:25] <Oatsmaster> just speculation Oats was sure gumshoe protected marv. Oats can't know if gumshoe in fact protected anyone and was not hit instead (remember, he was kinda known to be blue) unless he knows he protected someone. And suddenly it's not marv anymore. rofl. Oats is mafia. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster When gumshoe said that he did his job I also immediately thought that he actually saved somebody. I don't think this is such a gigantic slip that you guys claim that it is. Isn't there a bigger chance that Gumshoe actually defended a bigger thread than himself? SloOsh: I have masoned Vivax. I will probably mason somebody else during the next night. I say this because I have discussed SloOsh with Vivax, as SloOsh was the scumwagon to him. Vivax asked me to read sloosh and I replied: + Show Spoiler + [11:52] <Koshi> Sloosh --> Looks not scummy to me. He makes good posts and calls stuff like they are. [11:53] <Koshi> He also looks like a good player, so if he is not lynched it will become clear if he is useless or not [11:54] <Koshi> If he is scum he is a good scum, if he isn't scum we can use him. [11:54] <Koshi> I wouldn't take the risk lynching. A lot of his posting on Day 1 can have been to protect himself, he remember him trying to convince me to vote for VE. What makes Sloosh look bad is that he completely ignored the America claim from VE, he should have commented on that tbh. My read on SloOsh is what it is, I think that you should ask Vivax if you want a better read on SloOsh. Yamato: With him being on the VE train, I suspect at least 1 more to have joined after him. Maybe in the end, the remove the America claim, maybe a bit sooner to protect Sloosh. Ace: Playing completely different than in the Nuclear game, he was calm and not caring in Nuclear, while he is being chaotic and cynical in here.. Does this means he isn't scum here? No. Can I read him? No. Does my gut says he is scum? No. strongandbig: I read Vivax his arguments about SnB and I nod my head while doing so, it are the standard reasons that somebody reads in guides and applicable to SnB his posts. But I am not convinced yet. I do think SnB is following this thread way better than what he let us believe in his opening post. Same deal as with Sloosh, I wouldn't lynch him because he could be useful to town. I have not the read on SnB to condemn him scum. kholly: Chez did 2 things this game so far: 1) Focus on Gumshoe saying that he has only 1 Mason. 2) Give a sarcastic(?) list of scums. So after putting a lot of work in this post, I come to the conclusion that I don't have anything. I do know that you guys don't like lists that don't say shit and just fill up the thread. But sadly enough this is all I have, VA can have a fieldday again on me. Just going to put my vote towards uselessness: ##vote: kholly | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On July 20 2013 04:22 Koshi wrote: So I promised that I would take a better look at the VE voters. Oatsmaster: Voted for VE 1 minute after the voting thread was created and never took his vote off VE. (wtf) But that being said, Oats left for bed before VE made his (15/15) post and before VE claimed America. When gumshoe said that he did his job I also immediately thought that he actually saved somebody. I don't think this is such a gigantic slip that you guys claim that it is. Isn't there a bigger chance that Gumshoe actually defended a bigger thread than himself? SloOsh: I have masoned Vivax. I will probably mason somebody else during the next night. I say this because I have discussed SloOsh with Vivax, as SloOsh was the scumwagon to him. Vivax asked me to read sloosh and I replied: + Show Spoiler + [11:52] <Koshi> Sloosh --> Looks not scummy to me. He makes good posts and calls stuff like they are. [11:53] <Koshi> He also looks like a good player, so if he is not lynched it will become clear if he is useless or not [11:54] <Koshi> If he is scum he is a good scum, if he isn't scum we can use him. [11:54] <Koshi> I wouldn't take the risk lynching. A lot of his posting on Day 1 can have been to protect himself, he remember him trying to convince me to vote for VE. What makes Sloosh look bad is that he completely ignored the America claim from VE, he should have commented on that tbh. My read on SloOsh is what it is, I think that you should ask Vivax if you want a better read on SloOsh. Yamato: With him being on the VE train, I suspect at least 1 more to have joined after him. Maybe in the end, the remove the America claim, maybe a bit sooner to protect Sloosh. Ace: Playing completely different than in the Nuclear game, he was calm and not caring in Nuclear, while he is being chaotic and cynical in here.. Does this means he isn't scum here? No. Can I read him? No. Does my gut says he is scum? No. strongandbig: I read Vivax his arguments about SnB and I nod my head while doing so, it are the standard reasons that somebody reads in guides and applicable to SnB his posts. But I am not convinced yet. I do think SnB is following this thread way better than what he let us believe in his opening post. Same deal as with Sloosh, I wouldn't lynch him because he could be useful to town. I have not the read on SnB to condemn him scum. kholly: Chez did 2 things this game so far: 1) Focus on Gumshoe saying that he has only 1 Mason. 2) Give a sarcastic(?) list of scums. So after putting a lot of work in this post, I come to the conclusion that I don't have anything. I do know that you guys don't like lists that don't say shit and just fill up the thread. But sadly enough this is all I have, VA can have a fieldday again on me. Just going to put my vote towards uselessness: ##vote: kholly Not like it matters since nobody will listen to me :D you saw how the case was completely ignored. The analysis is decent here and follow similarly with my line of logic so I will have to re-assess whether you are just trying to buddy or genuine in your thoughts. You aren't really on anyone else's radar right now so ill worry about other shit. If I had to guess I'd say either kholly or SnB or both are the scum that helped move along the wagon since they voted late. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
When you went off the VE wagon, you only defended VE once. Why didn't you put more and better effort in saving VE? I remember you to really like to be agressive and take the lead in the Nuclear game. You could have done more than once caps lock a defense for VE right? | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 20 2013 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: FT how does yamato's filter exclude MZ from being scum? I think during night 2, he said ace and MZ would be good vigi targets. Now I know Ace is on the scumteam, so I can't see a reason why he would group ANOTHER scum teammate on his list of vigi targets as well. Add to this that MZ has been defending me the whole game and you can see why I think he's town. He should probably be sitting in my leaning town list, though. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On July 20 2013 04:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi why not vote for OATS? I tried to convince oats I was scum and he wouldn't bite but I'm not sure what that means | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On July 20 2013 04:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi why not vote for OATS? Like I said, the guy is just afk-ish. You can blame him for not caring about this game and pressure vote him. I decided to do that with kholly because if oats deserve your vote, kholly deserves a couple as well. And the whole thing with you blaming oats for assuming that gumshoe did not defend somebody is just as simple by you as by Oats. Pure mathematically: Is it not more likely that Gumshoe picked the right target to defend than that he was targeted by scum? Add the fact that Gumshoe kinda claimed himself that he protected the right target... Don't know why you don't consider that, but go so harshly on Oats for making a wrong assumption. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On July 20 2013 04:45 Koshi wrote: Like I said, the guy is just afk-ish. You can blame him for not caring about this game and pressure vote him. I decided to do that with kholly because if oats deserve your vote, kholly deserves a couple as well. And the whole thing with you blaming oats for assuming that gumshoe did not defend somebody is just as simple by you as by Oats. Pure mathematically: Is it not more likely that Gumshoe picked the right target to defend than that he was targeted by scum? Add the fact that Gumshoe kinda claimed himself that he protected the right target... Don't know why you don't consider that, but go so harshly on Oats for making a wrong assumption. As i said: 1) How would gumshoe know he was not hit and protected someone? 2) gumshoe was claimed blue, is that not a good reason to hit someone? | ||
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