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On June 20 2013 03:44 Stutters695 wrote:
Vayne are you here?
yea im here and what I outlined is going to happen is now happening because it was incredibly obvious. Jay for confirmed scum. If you are town just look at what I said about one of fuba/jay looking to plant their seed yesterday for no reason other than to try to get me mislynched today; its blatantly obvious who that is now. If you are truly town stutters then I can't see any other scum team right now besides jay/vivax.
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On June 20 2013 03:57 jaybrundage wrote:Looking over him the big points i dont like. Is his self proclaimed confirmed town just from rayn calling him a town read. Here he defends it saying that Rayn calling him town when Vayne doesnt have any influence on the thread day 1 that it doesnt make sense for scum to buddy with town like that. And he some how takes this instance to call him self confirmed town. Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 08:13 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 08:10 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 18 2013 07:59 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 07:58 mkfuba07 wrote:
What are you talking about? I don't see how those two situations are in any way similar or related. I didn't even say anything about you giving rayn a town read. Scum vivax, with the cop role, could have given a town read to anyone in the game. He instead gave it to the one person most likely to be mislynched (imo). That would have been a silly play for scum. they are pretty much exactly the same. A scummy person giving a town read on some one that most of the game thinks is scum. Everyone was voting rayn and I gave him a town read everyone was suspicious of vivax/going to vote him and he gave sentinel a town check, some one that the game also thought was pretty scummy. what is the difference The difference is the ACTUAL ALIGNMENT OF THE FLIPPED TOWN READ/CHECK! And also the complete lack of any reasoning whatsoever on your part. Town vivax was cop, he checked his scumread, scumread comes back town, he says in the thread that he's town. There is reason for town vivax to believe it. Exactly as much reason as you would have had to believe the check if we lynched vivax and he flipped town, as a matter of fact. Scum vivax, on the other hand, was giving a town *check* on someone who is likely to be lynched. That *doesn't* make sense. You gave a town *read* on someone for no reason whatsoever. That person ended up flipping and was revealed as the scum power role. You had no reason to give a town read on rayn as town (as shown by the fact that you didn't actually have a reason for your town read). As scum, however, the reason is obvious. That is how the two are different. if you want your reason here it is: There is zero benefit to a scum player trying to buddy up with a player that has no pull in the game, so the fact that he tried that with me as opposed to some one that could actually change his lynch was baffling. Again talking about Rayn calling him town. Its all WIFOM and he keeps coming back to it cause its his only argument that he has for him being town. Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 08:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 08:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 18 2013 08:13 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 08:10 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 18 2013 07:59 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 07:58 mkfuba07 wrote:
What are you talking about? I don't see how those two situations are in any way similar or related. I didn't even say anything about you giving rayn a town read. Scum vivax, with the cop role, could have given a town read to anyone in the game. He instead gave it to the one person most likely to be mislynched (imo). That would have been a silly play for scum. they are pretty much exactly the same. A scummy person giving a town read on some one that most of the game thinks is scum. Everyone was voting rayn and I gave him a town read everyone was suspicious of vivax/going to vote him and he gave sentinel a town check, some one that the game also thought was pretty scummy. what is the difference The difference is the ACTUAL ALIGNMENT OF THE FLIPPED TOWN READ/CHECK! And also the complete lack of any reasoning whatsoever on your part. Town vivax was cop, he checked his scumread, scumread comes back town, he says in the thread that he's town. There is reason for town vivax to believe it. Exactly as much reason as you would have had to believe the check if we lynched vivax and he flipped town, as a matter of fact. Scum vivax, on the other hand, was giving a town *check* on someone who is likely to be lynched. That *doesn't* make sense. You gave a town *read* on someone for no reason whatsoever. That person ended up flipping and was revealed as the scum power role. You had no reason to give a town read on rayn as town (as shown by the fact that you didn't actually have a reason for your town read). As scum, however, the reason is obvious. That is how the two are different. if you want your reason here it is: There is zero benefit to a scum player trying to buddy up with a player that has no pull in the game, so the fact that he tried that with me as opposed to some one that could actually change his lynch was baffling. How was he trying to change his lynch exactly by 'buddying' you? I remember you bringing that up earlier and thought to myself that it was strange that you'd think of ti that way. You, my friend, have warranted a re-read. In fact I think I want to start actually putting some effort in now since my lategame play is notoriously bad. Kita, thoughts on the mislynch please? At this point I doubt this town will ever win, much too fickle. At least I have a clear cut plan on how to approach this game instead of just randomly killing off town. You don't think its weird that scum that is set to be lynched would randomly say I am town when there is absolutely nothing I can do to stop him from being lynched? His not caring who died voting prplhz even tho he doesnt have a scum read on him. Says he doesnt have a case on Vivax just wants him to die. He just wants someone to die besides him and his scum buddie. He makes it obvious he doesn't care who he lynches. I made one comment to him about why he doesnt have a case. And he just changed his vote. No conviction about his read. Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't have a case (on Vivax). if it makes you feel better I will just consolidate onto prphlz if you really think my policy lynch is suspect when I have went over what it would solve FMPOV.
##unvote
##vote:prphlz ##Vote VaynePlz vayne convince me other wise.
Your whole arguments rests on the fact that I have done scummy things which pretty much makes me town so your argument is pretty bad btw. I have said multiple times the only reason to get vivax lynched is because its win/win for me, either hes scum or I am confirmed town if he's town and WoS would have been too but now it's too late for that.
Need I remind you that you tried his stunt the previous day and were content with my answers to switch right back to prphlz? What's with the sudden resurgance, am I your next town to get mislynched as predicted?
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On June 20 2013 04:15 kitaman27 wrote:
Vayne could you point me to what makes jay scum outside his suspicions of you? Right now it looks like an omgus.
go back into my filter, I already said exactly what would happen. Jay or fuba wanted to put their suspicion on me yesterday but were content to stay on prphlz to setup my mislynch for today.
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it's the truth, and at least I get the satisfaction of seeing the dumbass look on the rest of the town's face when I flip green.
Everything I said would happen, happened. This game is too easy yawn. Time to see if any other dumb townies fall for it I guess.
I love how instead of lynching vivax we are going to lynch a 3rd straight town instead, might as well consider it gamethrowing at this point
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On June 20 2013 04:45 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 03:29 jaybrundage wrote:On June 20 2013 01:54 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh god, what the hell was wrong with me yesterday. If I don't think scum withheld kp, then either vayne or vivax is scum, right? I'm curious what do you think about WoS assertion. He was talking about scum faking losing a KP and that some of our blue actions maybe be faked for town cred. His assertion was that we should start looking into more "confirmed town" by blue role town. So that scum can get away scot free. It would also make sense given how ace would feel fine dying if scum were in a great place. Tho not entirely sure why he made the trade regardless. The difficulty for me when it came to that question was that the only people I considered "confirmed town" were myself, kita, and to some extent WoS (though I certainly had a constant nagging feeling that he might have played us somehow). So if he was asking me if scum might have been playing us like this, the only implication in my mind is myself (not scum, but that's what scum would say XD) or kita, who would have had to withhold KP on the offchance that the doctor would protect him, in an effort to confirm himself town. Neither of these are correct. My problem is, given the night actions as they are, if we lynch vivax and he's town, then that means that vayne and stutters are most likely scum. That's at odds with my belief that scum didn't withhold kp at night. So the options are vivax is scum, there was a lie/godfather somewhere in you/layabout, or scum withheld kp N2 to make vayne look like confirmed town without then using that held kp to burn the vet role (or possibly some combination of the last two). Oh wow, just realized that if scum used the kp to burn the vet, then anyone who later used it would be implicated as scum (if it became known that they used a KP in this way), and if they didn't use it then they would reveal that Ace shot himself to burn the kp. That would ultimately make it a worthless action, right? Given this, I'd much rather lynch vayne than vivax. His major contributions this game have been confusing logic, misrepresentations of things others have said, and pushing for a Vivax lynch which would supposedly confirm him town if vivax flips town, when I see a town vivax as doing almost the exact opposite. I also just went back to check, and the night after the sentinel lynch, after I kept questioning vayne about him calling sentinel "obviously town" (questions that he decided to stop answering), was the night I got shot. The major thing holding back my voting for him was the belief that vivax was town, and scum wouldn't just not use one of their KP, but this absolutely makes sense to me now. The fact that vayne's been trying to make it seem like I've been setting up a mislynch on him for the last few days was just irritating and overly defensive when I thought he was town. But it's clear now that he was accusing me of that just so he could do the very same thing now. He preempts every possible action that could have been taken against him, because he knows that eventually they'll be coming. He consistently considers more members of a scumteam than are even possible, and now appears to be appealing to the towniness in his definite scumread (stutters) to declare vivax and jay as another definite team. Appealing to the *towniness* of *scum*. Doesn't make sense. Oh, and why did Ace sacrifice himself like this when it made no sense to do so? So it would look absolutely insane to consider that they would give up such a strong scum player for one extra KP, and then just not use it. ##Vote: VayneAuthority
you realize vivax flipping green means his KP wasn't roleblocked by prphlz and that I did indeed save WoS that day? The fact that you have failed to understand such simple things the entire game is at the least, alarming. I don't know if you are a complete dolt or just scum though.
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On June 20 2013 05:09 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 04:57 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 20 2013 04:45 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 20 2013 03:29 jaybrundage wrote:On June 20 2013 01:54 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh god, what the hell was wrong with me yesterday. If I don't think scum withheld kp, then either vayne or vivax is scum, right? I'm curious what do you think about WoS assertion. He was talking about scum faking losing a KP and that some of our blue actions maybe be faked for town cred. His assertion was that we should start looking into more "confirmed town" by blue role town. So that scum can get away scot free. It would also make sense given how ace would feel fine dying if scum were in a great place. Tho not entirely sure why he made the trade regardless. The difficulty for me when it came to that question was that the only people I considered "confirmed town" were myself, kita, and to some extent WoS (though I certainly had a constant nagging feeling that he might have played us somehow). So if he was asking me if scum might have been playing us like this, the only implication in my mind is myself (not scum, but that's what scum would say XD) or kita, who would have had to withhold KP on the offchance that the doctor would protect him, in an effort to confirm himself town. Neither of these are correct. My problem is, given the night actions as they are, if we lynch vivax and he's town, then that means that vayne and stutters are most likely scum. That's at odds with my belief that scum didn't withhold kp at night. So the options are vivax is scum, there was a lie/godfather somewhere in you/layabout, or scum withheld kp N2 to make vayne look like confirmed town without then using that held kp to burn the vet role (or possibly some combination of the last two). Oh wow, just realized that if scum used the kp to burn the vet, then anyone who later used it would be implicated as scum (if it became known that they used a KP in this way), and if they didn't use it then they would reveal that Ace shot himself to burn the kp. That would ultimately make it a worthless action, right? Given this, I'd much rather lynch vayne than vivax. His major contributions this game have been confusing logic, misrepresentations of things others have said, and pushing for a Vivax lynch which would supposedly confirm him town if vivax flips town, when I see a town vivax as doing almost the exact opposite. I also just went back to check, and the night after the sentinel lynch, after I kept questioning vayne about him calling sentinel "obviously town" (questions that he decided to stop answering), was the night I got shot. The major thing holding back my voting for him was the belief that vivax was town, and scum wouldn't just not use one of their KP, but this absolutely makes sense to me now. The fact that vayne's been trying to make it seem like I've been setting up a mislynch on him for the last few days was just irritating and overly defensive when I thought he was town. But it's clear now that he was accusing me of that just so he could do the very same thing now. He preempts every possible action that could have been taken against him, because he knows that eventually they'll be coming. He consistently considers more members of a scumteam than are even possible, and now appears to be appealing to the towniness in his definite scumread (stutters) to declare vivax and jay as another definite team. Appealing to the *towniness* of *scum*. Doesn't make sense. Oh, and why did Ace sacrifice himself like this when it made no sense to do so? So it would look absolutely insane to consider that they would give up such a strong scum player for one extra KP, and then just not use it. ##Vote: VayneAuthority you realize vivax flipping green means his KP wasn't roleblocked by prphlz and that I did indeed save WoS that day? The fact that you have failed to understand such simple things the entire game is at the least, alarming. I don't know if you are a complete dolt or just scum though. No, vivax flipping green means many things. It means he wasn't scum. It means his cop check is as trusted as can be with a roaming miller/godfather about. It means jay is likely town, and in turn layabout is likely town. It means that the only two scum left at that point are you and stutters. And this is nearly impossible if we assume (like I had been) that scum didn't hold their KP. You're appealing to the simple when it doesn't make sense to be doing so. The simple explanation is next to impossible. You also completely ignored the substance of the case and are focusing entirely on the setup-based possibility of you being scum while ignoring the scummy things that I claim you have done. Then you resort to ad hominem attacks.
ok confirmed dumb. So his cop reports now matter if he's town but the fact that there is no other explanation for the lack of kp on the second day doesn't matter?
Worst town of all time or scum
I am going to seriously laugh if you are town, i would shit my pants lol
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On June 20 2013 05:14 kitaman27 wrote:
##Vote Vayne (Just because I feel left out on the insults. Will probably be changing)
I still feel that too many people have town reads on Vivax without explanations. Can anyone point it out to me?
there's no need to insult you, you aren't making ridiculously biased claims and not being oblivious to the fact that every single day vivax has been on the chopping block and somehow his counterpart gets lynched and he gets to skate by on basically doing NOTHING. His posts are completely devoid of any content, especially recently.
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On June 20 2013 05:16 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 04:10 kitaman27 wrote:
jay, could you point me to the reason you have a town read on Vivax in the meantime? I have trouble reading Vivax. I had a town read on him day 1 for defending me and helping make sure i wasn't the day 1 mislynch. But as his activity wavered i began to doubt my early read on him and that he could be scum. However there was people I was alot more sure were scum. Sent and then prplhz. It just seems hard to pin anything scummy on him. He has been having a fairly straight forward game with lower activity then I like. The biggest thing that i think can implicate him is that he was roleblocked when there was no shot. But the same thing happened to Sent and Sent turned out to not be scum. Ill go over Vivax again. But it just seems like most of the case against him. Is based on blue's and KP instead of actually content in his filter. Also the fact that WoS mentioned scum messing with blue roles or faking using them. Made me really suspicious about people that were "confirmed town" via blue roles. With all the no shots going on. Isn't it likely that scum just held a shot off one day or decided to use a blue role to get town cred for the late game. The scum have done a solid job so far blending in. I wouldnt put it past this scum team to lost KP to gain towncred late game. Thats why I think Vayne is a more likely candidate as well.
we're talking a night 3 withheld KP here if you think im scum. Do you honestly believe thats likely GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE GAME AT THE TIME?
Like it makes zero sense. Anyone town on me right now is probably just sick of the game to looking to get it over with.
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have to do groceries right now but
##vote:vivax to show my intention
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On June 20 2013 08:56 mkfuba07 wrote:
Updated and compiled N2 scum theory v.2.0.0.1:
Night two, scum get doc and veteran (possibly cop, who knows). They do not have roleblocker (prplhz). They have two people double stack JDD, and in this way guarantee that exactly one person dies that night regardless of who is roleblocked. This sets up a situation where there's exactly one kp missing, and by lynching vivax vayne becomes confirmed town.
So... lynch Vayne.
really dude if you're town I never want to play with you again. Your logic is so trash tier I lose brain cells every time I read a post by you.
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how can this guy be town?
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On June 20 2013 09:11 Stutters695 wrote:
Or justify your vote by anything other than night action speculation
I don't really need to justify anything, his play is not indicative of town and I wouldn't miss him if he was town. He honestly thinks
1. that JJD was doublestacked or some bullshit
2. just read his latest post, how does he come to the conclusion from that to lynch me? LOL?
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You guys don't think in terms of timestamps, only the now. How the fuck could I have planned all that for like 4 million days later in a lynch between me/vivax to confirm me as town LMAO. it makes zero sense and if you understand where he's coming from you are probably on shrooms again.
There is NOTHING that makes it more likely that I fake doc'ed than vivax being RB'ed. absolutely nothing. The fact people are thinking in terms of the insane instead of the obvious just goes back to the sentinel lynch where people actually LYNCHED a green report because they didn't trust vivax. Somehow a few days later vivax is still standing. Do you not see the breaks in the chains here and how mafia has manipulated the game lategame?
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Also as an aside, I checked back to see who flipped off of the vivax lynch to go to a green check and it was started by prphlz who we now know is town. Jay then writes a long bs post that basically says nothing then votes for sentinel. He then later asks sentinel for a case on me. Motive for that is suspicious.. The next person to follow is mkfuba who switches from vivax to sentinel. One of them has to be scum. The game is not over if I am lynched so remember when I am town that I feel very strong about the scum being vivax and jay/mkfuba at this point. that is my final answer.
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Fuba is more confirmed town by actions/night actions but who knows for sure. I guess I would have to say that fuba is perhaps just le dumb and jay is scum but he's so wrapped in these night actions that I can't know for sure.
either way the denominator is vivax.
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Kita or stutters could have just went with the thread sentiment and no one would think anything of it, I have to think they are town or that vivax is also town. Time to ponder their contributions
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I really don't get it, Jay is a stronger scumread of mine then Vivax but I don't see how I can vote for him until seeing what Vivax flipped since he gave him a greencheck. We saw what happened with sentinel, it's low percentage play.
The fact is I am not scum so when you make a write-up keep that in mind.
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What do you think of stutters last second changing his vote to rayn the first day with no explanation?
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If you think it's a mafia tactic, you will be sadly mistaken when I flip.
That has nothing to do with alignment.
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If you want to go look up old shit check one of the first posts I ever made on this website in terms of mafia, I only get upset when I am going to be lynched when I am town.
None of that shit means anything.
There is also a huge difference between martyring and what I am doing, I'm not even voting for myself.
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