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Ok so if you dont have a scum read on prlplhz then dont vote him. This just seems obv to me. But unless it gets later into the day. Try to push your scum read. I don't wanna lynch Vivax cause I haven't seen a good case on him. And I think prplhz is more likely scum.
Thats what i was talking about more content in your posts. If you write up a case with some length You can try to lynch Vivax, your scum read. But if you just write your short posts like you are you wont be able to try to convince town that your reads are legitimate. Thats why i was talking about putting more reason why you think someone is scum into your posts. And it's not easy for scum to do that from my experience.
Also I'm done pressuring you I hope i have gotten my point across.
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On June 18 2013 04:44 layabout wrote:
would it be scummy to start a counter wagon to my own lynch in the hope that people will take stances so that i can analyze stuff that isn't day1 or yesterday?
Go for it. Although it could be that scum dont want to try to stop a scum lynch. Similar to how Ace didn't have much resistance. After Rayn they might reckon it's easier to let a scum die then defend him.
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On June 18 2013 04:51 kitaman27 wrote:
No, it's just scummy to ask before you do so because you're worried about looking bad :p
Lol why kita always have the best answers 
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Kita i would like your opinion on vayne and our recent conversation
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On June 18 2013 05:03 layabout wrote:well if we kill vivax we get more information about yesterday. plus we get to kill vivax.  it's win win
Dat counter wagon. Your logic is infallible.
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On June 18 2013 05:03 layabout wrote:well if we kill vivax we get more information about yesterday. plus we get to kill vivax. it's win win
Also Layabout what do you think of vayne. What do you think the scum team is.
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On June 18 2013 06:22 prplhz wrote:
hey guys i'm not going to write anything substantial anyway but i'm town so if you want to speculate about tomorrow then assume that i'm town
If your town you really aren't playing the part. If we have another scummy mofo who happened to roll town i wont be happy.
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On June 18 2013 06:32 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 06:28 jaybrundage wrote:On June 18 2013 06:22 prplhz wrote:
hey guys i'm not going to write anything substantial anyway but i'm town so if you want to speculate about tomorrow then assume that i'm town If your town you really aren't playing the part. If we have another scummy mofo who happened to roll town i wont be happy. you're*
i prefer your better easier to type.
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You were not just saying it was risky. The entire time you were voted for sent. You keep trying to made it seem like you knew Sent's role before he flipped. You kept telling people there were better lynches and that you didn't like the Sent lynch. But you never pushed the other people. You just keep saying sent was a bad lynch. Thats scummy.
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I'm going to have to do some rereading. Two more days till lylo. We have to get a a lynch this coming day. Or we at lylo assuming no saves. (But hell we have done a good job on that so far XD)
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Hey did anyone notice tl go down. I couldnt access for site for a while
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On June 20 2013 01:54 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh god, what the hell was wrong with me yesterday. If I don't think scum withheld kp, then either vayne or vivax is scum, right?
I'm curious what do you think about WoS assertion. He was talking about scum faking losing a KP and that some of our blue actions maybe be faked for town cred. His assertion was that we should start looking into more "confirmed town" by blue role town. So that scum can get away scot free. It would also make sense given how ace would feel fine dying if scum were in a great place. Tho not entirely sure why he made the trade regardless.
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On June 20 2013 02:24 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 01:54 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh god, what the hell was wrong with me yesterday. If I don't think scum withheld kp, then either vayne or vivax is scum, right? Both Vivax and Vayne are tied to the N2 action, where Vivax was roleblocked and Vayne claimed to have protected WoS.
I wanna lynch Vayne still. He has done hella scummy things. And given WoS's theory on scum using blue roles it would make sense that he would hold the shot and claim he doc protected someone.
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Looking over him the big points i dont like. Is his self proclaimed confirmed town just from rayn calling him a town read.
Here he defends it saying that Rayn calling him town when Vayne doesnt have any influence on the thread day 1 that it doesnt make sense for scum to buddy with town like that. And he some how takes this instance to call him self confirmed town.
On June 18 2013 08:13 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 08:10 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 18 2013 07:59 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 07:58 mkfuba07 wrote:
What are you talking about? I don't see how those two situations are in any way similar or related. I didn't even say anything about you giving rayn a town read. Scum vivax, with the cop role, could have given a town read to anyone in the game. He instead gave it to the one person most likely to be mislynched (imo). That would have been a silly play for scum. they are pretty much exactly the same. A scummy person giving a town read on some one that most of the game thinks is scum. Everyone was voting rayn and I gave him a town read everyone was suspicious of vivax/going to vote him and he gave sentinel a town check, some one that the game also thought was pretty scummy. what is the difference The difference is the ACTUAL ALIGNMENT OF THE FLIPPED TOWN READ/CHECK! And also the complete lack of any reasoning whatsoever on your part. Town vivax was cop, he checked his scumread, scumread comes back town, he says in the thread that he's town. There is reason for town vivax to believe it. Exactly as much reason as you would have had to believe the check if we lynched vivax and he flipped town, as a matter of fact. Scum vivax, on the other hand, was giving a town *check* on someone who is likely to be lynched. That *doesn't* make sense. You gave a town *read* on someone for no reason whatsoever. That person ended up flipping and was revealed as the scum power role. You had no reason to give a town read on rayn as town (as shown by the fact that you didn't actually have a reason for your town read). As scum, however, the reason is obvious. That is how the two are different. if you want your reason here it is: There is zero benefit to a scum player trying to buddy up with a player that has no pull in the game, so the fact that he tried that with me as opposed to some one that could actually change his lynch was baffling.
Again talking about Rayn calling him town. Its all WIFOM and he keeps coming back to it cause its his only argument that he has for him being town.
On June 18 2013 08:20 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 08:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 18 2013 08:13 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 08:10 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 18 2013 07:59 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 18 2013 07:58 mkfuba07 wrote:
What are you talking about? I don't see how those two situations are in any way similar or related. I didn't even say anything about you giving rayn a town read. Scum vivax, with the cop role, could have given a town read to anyone in the game. He instead gave it to the one person most likely to be mislynched (imo). That would have been a silly play for scum. they are pretty much exactly the same. A scummy person giving a town read on some one that most of the game thinks is scum. Everyone was voting rayn and I gave him a town read everyone was suspicious of vivax/going to vote him and he gave sentinel a town check, some one that the game also thought was pretty scummy. what is the difference The difference is the ACTUAL ALIGNMENT OF THE FLIPPED TOWN READ/CHECK! And also the complete lack of any reasoning whatsoever on your part. Town vivax was cop, he checked his scumread, scumread comes back town, he says in the thread that he's town. There is reason for town vivax to believe it. Exactly as much reason as you would have had to believe the check if we lynched vivax and he flipped town, as a matter of fact. Scum vivax, on the other hand, was giving a town *check* on someone who is likely to be lynched. That *doesn't* make sense. You gave a town *read* on someone for no reason whatsoever. That person ended up flipping and was revealed as the scum power role. You had no reason to give a town read on rayn as town (as shown by the fact that you didn't actually have a reason for your town read). As scum, however, the reason is obvious. That is how the two are different. if you want your reason here it is: There is zero benefit to a scum player trying to buddy up with a player that has no pull in the game, so the fact that he tried that with me as opposed to some one that could actually change his lynch was baffling. How was he trying to change his lynch exactly by 'buddying' you? I remember you bringing that up earlier and thought to myself that it was strange that you'd think of ti that way. You, my friend, have warranted a re-read. In fact I think I want to start actually putting some effort in now since my lategame play is notoriously bad. Kita, thoughts on the mislynch please? At this point I doubt this town will ever win, much too fickle. At least I have a clear cut plan on how to approach this game instead of just randomly killing off town. You don't think its weird that scum that is set to be lynched would randomly say I am town when there is absolutely nothing I can do to stop him from being lynched?
His not caring who died voting prplhz even tho he doesnt have a scum read on him. Says he doesnt have a case on Vivax just wants him to die. He just wants someone to die besides him and his scum buddie. He makes it obvious he doesn't care who he lynches. I made one comment to him about why he doesnt have a case. And he just changed his vote. No conviction about his read.
On June 17 2013 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't have a case (on Vivax). if it makes you feel better I will just consolidate onto prphlz if you really think my policy lynch is suspect when I have went over what it would solve FMPOV.
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Plz vayne convince me other wise.
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On June 20 2013 04:10 kitaman27 wrote:
jay, could you point me to the reason you have a town read on Vivax in the meantime?
I have trouble reading Vivax. I had a town read on him day 1 for defending me and helping make sure i wasn't the day 1 mislynch. But as his activity wavered i began to doubt my early read on him and that he could be scum. However there was people I was alot more sure were scum. Sent and then prplhz. It just seems hard to pin anything scummy on him.
He has been having a fairly straight forward game with lower activity then I like. The biggest thing that i think can implicate him is that he was roleblocked when there was no shot. But the same thing happened to Sent and Sent turned out to not be scum.
Ill go over Vivax again. But it just seems like most of the case against him. Is based on blue's and KP instead of actually content in his filter.
Also the fact that WoS mentioned scum messing with blue roles or faking using them. Made me really suspicious about people that were "confirmed town" via blue roles. With all the no shots going on. Isn't it likely that scum just held a shot off one day or decided to use a blue role to get town cred for the late game. The scum have done a solid job so far blending in. I wouldnt put it past this scum team to lost KP to gain towncred late game. Thats why I think Vayne is a more likely candidate as well.
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On June 20 2013 05:18 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 05:16 jaybrundage wrote:On June 20 2013 04:10 kitaman27 wrote:
jay, could you point me to the reason you have a town read on Vivax in the meantime? I have trouble reading Vivax. I had a town read on him day 1 for defending me and helping make sure i wasn't the day 1 mislynch. But as his activity wavered i began to doubt my early read on him and that he could be scum. However there was people I was alot more sure were scum. Sent and then prplhz. It just seems hard to pin anything scummy on him. He has been having a fairly straight forward game with lower activity then I like. The biggest thing that i think can implicate him is that he was roleblocked when there was no shot. But the same thing happened to Sent and Sent turned out to not be scum. Ill go over Vivax again. But it just seems like most of the case against him. Is based on blue's and KP instead of actually content in his filter. Also the fact that WoS mentioned scum messing with blue roles or faking using them. Made me really suspicious about people that were "confirmed town" via blue roles. With all the no shots going on. Isn't it likely that scum just held a shot off one day or decided to use a blue role to get town cred for the late game. The scum have done a solid job so far blending in. I wouldnt put it past this scum team to lost KP to gain towncred late game. Thats why I think Vayne is a more likely candidate as well. None of this really tells me why you think Vivax is town. Or do you not have a town read on him?
I have a null read on Vivax. I don't find the KP argument compelling enough to lynch him over people that have been acting like scum in there filter. If vayne flips green (unlikely i know) then I think Vivax is much more likely to be scum. Or scum would have just decided to hold KP for no reason Possible but very unlikley
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On June 20 2013 05:19 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 05:16 jaybrundage wrote:On June 20 2013 04:10 kitaman27 wrote:
jay, could you point me to the reason you have a town read on Vivax in the meantime? I have trouble reading Vivax. I had a town read on him day 1 for defending me and helping make sure i wasn't the day 1 mislynch. But as his activity wavered i began to doubt my early read on him and that he could be scum. However there was people I was alot more sure were scum. Sent and then prplhz. It just seems hard to pin anything scummy on him. He has been having a fairly straight forward game with lower activity then I like. The biggest thing that i think can implicate him is that he was roleblocked when there was no shot. But the same thing happened to Sent and Sent turned out to not be scum. Ill go over Vivax again. But it just seems like most of the case against him. Is based on blue's and KP instead of actually content in his filter. Also the fact that WoS mentioned scum messing with blue roles or faking using them. Made me really suspicious about people that were "confirmed town" via blue roles. With all the no shots going on. Isn't it likely that scum just held a shot off one day or decided to use a blue role to get town cred for the late game. The scum have done a solid job so far blending in. I wouldnt put it past this scum team to lost KP to gain towncred late game. Thats why I think Vayne is a more likely candidate as well. we're talking a night 3 withheld KP here if you think im scum. Do you honestly believe thats likely GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE GAME AT THE TIME? Like it makes zero sense. Anyone town on me right now is probably just sick of the game to looking to get it over with.
So you think it doesn't make sense to hold a KP when your scum team rolls doctor so you can get free town cred for late game.
Lemme guess you don't think scum manipulated any blue rolls at all right. We should just take them at face value as infallible truths./sarcasm
Is that truly what you believe
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On June 20 2013 05:34 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 05:32 jaybrundage wrote:On June 20 2013 05:19 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 20 2013 05:16 jaybrundage wrote:On June 20 2013 04:10 kitaman27 wrote:
jay, could you point me to the reason you have a town read on Vivax in the meantime? I have trouble reading Vivax. I had a town read on him day 1 for defending me and helping make sure i wasn't the day 1 mislynch. But as his activity wavered i began to doubt my early read on him and that he could be scum. However there was people I was alot more sure were scum. Sent and then prplhz. It just seems hard to pin anything scummy on him. He has been having a fairly straight forward game with lower activity then I like. The biggest thing that i think can implicate him is that he was roleblocked when there was no shot. But the same thing happened to Sent and Sent turned out to not be scum. Ill go over Vivax again. But it just seems like most of the case against him. Is based on blue's and KP instead of actually content in his filter. Also the fact that WoS mentioned scum messing with blue roles or faking using them. Made me really suspicious about people that were "confirmed town" via blue roles. With all the no shots going on. Isn't it likely that scum just held a shot off one day or decided to use a blue role to get town cred for the late game. The scum have done a solid job so far blending in. I wouldnt put it past this scum team to lost KP to gain towncred late game. Thats why I think Vayne is a more likely candidate as well. we're talking a night 3 withheld KP here if you think im scum. Do you honestly believe thats likely GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE GAME AT THE TIME? Like it makes zero sense. Anyone town on me right now is probably just sick of the game to looking to get it over with. So you think it doesn't make sense to hold a KP when your scum team rolls doctor so you can get free town cred for late game. Lemme guess you don't think scum manipulated any blue rolls at all right. We should just take them at face value as infallible truths./sarcasm Is that truly what you believe I think it's a terrible idea to withhold kp when your scum team rolls doctor.I'd consider that the mafia team would double stack a player. Do you think JarJar is a likely double stack target?
So wouldn't that mean that its a good idea for scum to do it. Because it would make you think there town?
I don't think JJD was a likely double stack target but again thats not my angle.
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@Kita I like your case on Vivax. My only concern is what about WoS's assertion that scum would mess with blue roles do you not think that is as big of a factor.
I'm still worried that Vayne could be scum but i could just have confirmation bias. The fact that Vivax was on the chopping block so often seems pretty suspicious. THe people I have been thinking are scum have just been bad townies and that might be the case with Vayne.
So just so we are clear if Vivax turns up red then occams razor would make it seem that he just got roleblocked and couldn't pull off a shot and Vayne is in the clear. Assuming no double stacking as double stacking on JJD doesn't seem to fit.
I'm going to rethink my vote and do a reread
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I would like everyone to vote and give stances.
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