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On June 09 2013 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright f this.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
I've been wanting to do a dive into Oats all day but I'm just not going to have time. Kid won't nap, teething is a bitch.
Just going to be a good little sheep on this one, albeit a black one since I just get awful feelings about how this is all going down. I'd like to say I'll make up for it tomorrow but our next day is practically set up for us one way or the other now, isn't it?
Not like your vote matters anyway hes dead regardless. I wish we had tried to kill ace instead. But i understand peoples hesitancy to kill the cop before the guy who get checked
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Guys we have to lynch Ace. Hes scum who made a ballsy move for calling a red check on a townie. We can't let him talk his way out of this. THE WAGON OF JUSTICE TMR
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##Vote Ace
I was the cop last night I checked Layabout. And surprisingly was green.
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So what you guys think about Sent. I think the theory of Ace going balls too the wall cop claim to get the heat off Sent a theory that makes sense.
Also who was the doctor. Who got protected.
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Wos makes sense as a mafia hit.
He was doing a great job contributing and keep the thread going and his analysis was solid.
I had a town read on Vivax earlier but his lack of activity is pretty concerning.
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I know we have to keep up discussion. But its so hard when we have one lynch on the board that is pretty much guaranteed to go thru. Would anyone be down for voting to shorten the day. It would help keep discussion up and stop lethargy from hitting our town.
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I like instant majority lynches :3
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Well ace seems like a no brainer. Sent ill have to look into he has done some scummy stuff I think he could be scum.
Vivax. I dont know I had him as a town read before. But his non contributing ways is starting to look scummy. He just doesnt contribute much to the thread whether it be analyzing or discussing his town reads.
Im curious if anyone has a good read on stutters. He has been laying low for the most part not posting much. Never really doing anything to stand out just going with the flow.
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yea prplhz is another person Im null on just kinda ehhh on most things.
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I dont see anything wrong with your plan Layabout. I'll follow it.
I guess ace is just going down quietly lol
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I was gonna go thru Sent's filter and get a case together but im not even sure its worth the effort. I can still write up a bit if anyone shows interest. He just oozes scumminess.
Hard defending ace. And then flip flopping to vote for Oats later. Just one of the things that makes him pretty scummy.
Sent can you write up a case on vayne I see you have him as one of your scum reads.
So might do some filter diving on
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Read up on Vaynes filter atm. This really stuck out at me. I did this when i was terrible calling my self confirmed town. But it is a pretty scummy thing to do. No one is confirmed town first off. You become a town read by consistently doing town like things with your actions. Vayne just got called town from a scum. Its all WIFOM. There is not confirmed town or towniness at all to it. Scum can use things like that to set up team mates to look good or set up townies to look bad.
Vayne hard defending Rayn first off looks pretty scummy. When asked why he responds with
On June 06 2013 02:46 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 02:45 layabout wrote:On June 06 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't necessarily think WoS is scum as its too early to tell but if that's my only other option besides rayn, so be it. He is one of my only townreads How did he come to be a townread? Especially if he "doesn't really have a meta" It better not be because of this: + Show Spoiler +On June 05 2013 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Prpl; you asked me about jay and wos. I need to hear more from him. I know from some games ive read that he is a possible lynchbait if town, but i don't like him using that as defence. Would lynch if he is not willing to do shit. About wos. I don't like his stance on lurkerlynches early on in the game. Why bring that up? I also don't like his stance on jay. How on earth does what Vivax says about jay being a lynchbait affect wos' opinion? Why does wos just take vivax at face value if he thinks jay is scummy? that is scummy.
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##Vote: WoS
btw i think vayne is town. + Show Spoiler +He has a weird playstyle but his defence on me is 100% correct. My activity is not alignment indicative.
I dont want to lynch stutters any more. I misread some stuff in his prpl case, and his response to my vote was a townie one. He did not get overly defensive.
I also think prpl is town.
Im gonna look more into other people tonigh. Ace, who do you want to lynch and why? Time to start doing stuff if you are town. nope, gut read
Giving no reasons or explanation about why he thought Rayn was town. Making it easier to defend someone and totally back out of it later. He doesnt even have to explain why he defended Rayn because it was a gut read.
The fact that Vayne tried to make Rayn calling him town into a big deal just goes to show that he is not confident on his actions alone to prove him town.
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.
Vayne didnt really contribute much just voted Oats like everyone else. Then he claimed doctor and claimed he protected WoS.
When someone was talking about roleblocks and how we only one KP was used last night. Then he said this.
On June 12 2013 03:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
also prp can be scum faking rb so doesnt have to be vivax
This is true. If prplhz is scum and the scum team rolled rb then they could waste a KP not shoot. And then claim that because someone was roleblocked they must be the scum. This would solve two things it would make the roleblocker look alot better and set them up for town cred. It would also make someone look hella scummy in this case Vivax.
However what Vayne didn't mention was that the exact same thing could be done with the doctor. Remember at this point in the game (assuming ace is scum) scum need to look really townie to stay alive cause there KP is gonna be lower and the roles are still all out and our advantage increases the longer the game goes on. Vayne could just claim he protected WoS. And that is the reason why we down 1 KP.
I want you guys to keep this in mind. And not taking roles at faceclaim. The scum can get roles just like we can. Im having a hard time getting a good read on vayne cause the doesnt have alot of content in his filter. All his posts are pretty short and he doesn't do a good enough job explaining his reads and thought process. I dont see any point in not trying to contribute more unless your scum just trying to skirt by with out having to defend hard reads. Im leaning scum on Vayne as of now.
I still want to kill Sent first however
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Hm Sent pushing Vayne actually is something i like. If they are both scum. Sent who is likely the next lynch. Has no town credibility would prolly not get very far into lynching Vayne. So similar to how Rayn gave a town read on Vayne and vayne tried to use it to look good. It would just be in inverse this time. Sent tries to push Vayne. Sent dies flips red. And then Vayne could be look at scum trying to push me i must be town.
I know im getting ahead of my self with assuming flips. But doesnt anyone have thoughts on this?
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On June 12 2013 07:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
The only way your both of us scum theory has credibility is if ace flips town. Ace wouldn't do that a risky move if the last 2 scum left were me and sent ROFL.
Think you are getting a little ahead of yourself
Ace could of claimed to protect Sent which has been noted. But he didnt do a good enough drawing attention away from him.
So then what is your scum reads given what you have said?
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Yea it makes no sense to make the claim of cop unless he felt that he had no choice. But do it to take pressure off one of his scum buddies. Why make the claim and risk dying he was under no pressure.
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@Layabout Given the new information that Ace is scum who do you see as his possible scum buddies
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On June 12 2013 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
FUCK yeah that's what I'm talking about ladies and gents.
Once again gj not wasting checks on Ace last night.
I'm not good at coming up with plans to use roles and shit, but now that scum KP is at 1, what can we do?
On that note I get the feeling Ace tried what he did because of all of his speculation talk in the pregame knowing we were going to think a certain way. I have to go back and read what he said. I know he didn't roll scum in the pregame obviously but I'm just saying I wonder if he planned what he did based on what he had said previously.
I want to look into the possibility of Fuba being scum. I know it's WIFOM especially since Ace knew he was going to flip eventually but he did call Fuba confirmed town, and it's entirely possible they gave Fuba that case from the start. An early bus is not impossible here, is it?
The obvious choices for the final scum are Vivax/prplhz/Sentinel I know, but we can't risk the fact that there is still strength in the scumteam still. (In which case I'd say kita, 'cause he gud scum)
In any case I'm not sure we can understand entirely why Ace did what he did just yet, and we may have to keep on truckin' simply based on what we've learned about people in general so far.
Don't think we really need elaborate plans on using checks. I mean the possibility of cordinating checks is possible but I dont think its advisable cause one scum getting a blue role can mess up a plan. Given that I suggest that our town blues do what they have been doing using logic to determine what is best to do with there role. Also keep in mind that we cant let someone being blue change our read of them. Its a null tell.
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lol nice job guys if we keep this up we got this game in the bag.
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Ok so looks like people so a far are on Vivax. I have been meaning to take a look at his so ill do a bit of filter diving. Reading over this filter I didnt find anything particularly damning. The one time i played with Vivax. I was fucking up as town day 1. He hard defended me because he recognized that the way i was playing was my town meta day 1. Being overly spammy and not having much to post lol. This game he also defended me after i was put under a bit of pressure day 1. I know its not much to go for but I don't see much in his filter that makes me think scum. Can someone write up a case? I know there was the roleblock thing But it's also likely that it was a doc save. Also scum could fuck with the blue roles to implicate people.
Sent has a 1 in 6 chance (I believe) to roll miller. So its not completly out of the question that he is the godfather.
I personally still like a sent lynch. Even given that he got checked as green Its not out of the question that he could get godfather. Also the fact that he got roleblocked and no shot was taken implicates him as well. Seeing as how last time Wos was saved my doc (This is assuming Vivax isnt scum) Then wouldnt the scum try to play it safe? I dont see why they would aim for someone like kita who is a vet and has a pretty good chance to get protected.
Here are some reasons I think Sent is scum.
Ok first off and a big reason I see him as scummy The hard defending of ace and the switch after.
On June 05 2013 21:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:What do you all think of Oats? He's been tunneling Ace on the following evidence:
Defending ace
On June 06 2013 00:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
OK first off the Vayne vote was a joke. That much should be obvious.
I was wrong about WoS being a scum given his more recent posting. He seems to be more focused on finding scum now that D1 is in full swing.
So now we have Oats who has little content and sheeps anyone who isn't Ace. And Ace doesn't even look scum.
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[##Vote Oatsmaster]
On June 06 2013 10:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Okay.
I'd like to lynch Oats. However I too shall look into prplhz, Vayne and jay and determine what I think of them.
Guilty until proven flammable?
Again defending Ace
On June 06 2013 18:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats it wasn't a scumslip, you realize I was talking about "looking scummy", not "being scummy"?
I had a problem changing my vote because I thought someone could make a case for me being scum either way. If I switched and rayn flipped red, it would look to potential accusers like I was bussing him. If I didn't, it would look to them like I was potentially ignoring him.
Stop grasping at straws that don't exist (*hem* Ace *hem*)
Ots pls
THEN there is this little gem. A complete turn around from calling Ace town town town. And calling Oats scum scum scum.
He does a complete flip. Just because Vayne and prplhz voting for Oats and because they defending ace. Note that I think that because Sent saw the writing on the wall of Ace getting lynched later that he tried to bus early to get town cred. His complete flip based on prplhz and Vayne being scum wasnt even note worthy. Notice that he doesn't even really keep those scum reads. he doesnt really push anyone of them later.
On June 07 2013 18:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Vayne and prplhz voted for Oats and defending Ace on little evidence despite public opinion, are we having a repeat of the rayn lynch? Can we be right twice?
##unvote
##vote: ace
Here is a part that people seem to have forgotten. Here Oats is jumping on what he thinks is a scum slip by Oats. Oats brushes it off saying he knew that rayn was scum. But his posting doesn't show that. He only voted Rayn after the wagon picked up. His vote wasn't even necessary
On June 06 2013 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
No.
Sent.
The point is, in both of your scenarios, rayn flips red.
There is no scenario where rayn flips green in your head.
Thats where you scumslipped.
On June 06 2013 19:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I was certain by that point that he was red. Just a matter of voting for him or not.
This little bit when he calls his own post scummy. He has not confidence in his posting or thread presence to solidify himself as a town read. So he votes calling his own post scummy because he doesn't even try to put any reasons for his vote on rayn
On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy.
Going with my gut I guess.
##unvote
##vote: raynpelikoneet
This was special. Analyzing an anonymous poll. Talk about reaching for fluff content.
On June 10 2013 04:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
So the poll is anonymous so I'm guessing the scummers could be honest with their intentions. They'd be fools not to since they can vote for the situation that favors them and nobody would know who voted for wat. Ergo, if he was scum they would label him town and if he was town they'd vote for the lynch.
Without shakalaka's vote (assuming he voted), we have 7-4 in favor of a lynch.
If Ace is town, the three scummers would vote to lynch him and buy an extra day. This would mean 4 towns voted for each scenario. Seems about probable, and scum could swing the wagon to their favored outcome.
If Ace is scum, the three scummers (including Ace) would vote against the lynch. This would mean 7 towns want Ace dead, and only one townie threw his lot in with the scum by some happenstance. This near-unanimous effort by town to lynch him would be less probable - but there is also the guy in IRC who asked Shakalaka to come in and vote for the town option. It would make sense that scum, seeing that despite all their efforts their man is going to get lynched, ask another guy to put some more weight on the town option.
Intredasting.
Even now Sent doesnt push any of his scum reads. He just sits there adding no content. Giving his posting and some things i pointed out. I think he is scum that got lucky with the miller role.
##Vote Sent
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