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On June 08 2013 03:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Good question.
I want to hear more from fuba, and jay.
I also wouldn't mind comments on my reads thus far if people show up, though I know better than to expect it. At least at some point if I get shot maybe then people will look at my reads.
Ugh im struggling with sent as a read. I dont like his flip flop from oats. He was really against oat's push on ace. Then after ace makes the cop claim. Sent just completly reverses.
On one hand I think ace is scum so i like it. But on the other the complete turn around doesn't seem very townie. The reasoning for it too is bad. You shouldn't change your opinion of someones alignment cause your other scum reads voted for your scum read. Because at the end of the day you have no idea whether they are scum or not. Not to mention it was a reverse from someone Sent defended to someone hes trying to lynch now. I honestly don't know what to make of him. But regardless I want to kill ace so. Ill deal with sent tmw.
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On June 08 2013 03:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
We are lynching Ace cause he fakeclaimed a red check on me.
Dont derail this.
If you derail this, its scummy.
Dont do it
I agree that at the end of the day we should lynch between ace or you oats (I wanna lynch ace) But we should still talk about other reads or activity dies.
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On June 07 2013 11:10 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 07 2013 10:37 layabout wrote:
If mafia get cop they can always make this play regardless of the roleblock. Following the red check is a risk especially when the cop role is still around and more checks can increase our certainty.
If Ace flips at any point we will know if we can trust his check. A check of Oats on Ace could increase our certainty since if would confirm or deny the claim and we would be hoping the person checked does not get miller. This means Ace will never flip unless we do it ourselves, you know. Or I guess if they're both town. Yeah but lynching either is risky the chance of two town whilst ignoring them grants more checks allowing us to make a better decision. It also reduced the pool of player mafia are likely to shoot at improving the chance of us getting a medic save. We should lynch somebody else. I don't think following the cop is the best play to make in this situation. Especially since the correct(okay strong) play for mafia if they get the cop is to claim a red check.
Given that its very likely that between ace and oats there is one mafia. And we can lower mafia KP if we kill mafia. Why do you suggest not lynching in between these too.
Who would you suggest lynching. Also if you had to pick between Ace and Oats (as you likely will) who would you pick.
You state that you dont want to lynch either. But your not pushing anyone. Or even make your opinions clear. It seems like your just sitting on the sidelines waiting to follow someone else... You scum layabout?
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On June 07 2013 17:18 prplhz wrote:
This really doesn't seem like anything Ace would attempt as scum.
##Vote Oatsmaster
If Ace is scum he can just back out with a Miller MAH BAD bullshit.
If anything if ace is as strong a mafia player as so many say he would just fakeclaim like he did on Oats. Then try to talk him self out the second lynch by saying Oats was miller.
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On June 08 2013 07:02 layabout wrote:
well that's embarrassing:
##vote Oatsmaster
jay be quiet the issue we are dealing with is Ace vs Oats everyone has made it quite clear that that's the lynch, there is no point pushing somebody else, it just add noise and confusion.
WTF are you going on about. I voted for Ace thank you very much. You're the guy that posted this saying we should not go for ace and oats.
Note that after everyone makes it clear we going for Ace or Oats he says this. He tried to derail the lynch off them. But failed and now he goes and says that IM trying to derail it?
YOU tried to derail the lynch off them ffs dont tell me to be quiet.
On June 07 2013 11:10 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 07 2013 10:37 layabout wrote:
If mafia get cop they can always make this play regardless of the roleblock. Following the red check is a risk especially when the cop role is still around and more checks can increase our certainty.
If Ace flips at any point we will know if we can trust his check. A check of Oats on Ace could increase our certainty since if would confirm or deny the claim and we would be hoping the person checked does not get miller. This means Ace will never flip unless we do it ourselves, you know. Or I guess if they're both town. Yeah but lynching either is risky the chance of two town whilst ignoring them grants more checks allowing us to make a better decision. It also reduced the pool of player mafia are likely to shoot at improving the chance of us getting a medic save. We should lynch somebody else.I don't think following the cop is the best play to make in this situation. Especially since the correct(okay strong) play for mafia if they get the cop is to claim a red check.
You JUST tried to get people off ace and oats.
YOU JUST TRIED AND YOU ARE SAYING IM DOING IT
Honestly i would try to lynch you right now. If I was not adamant in killing from the ace/oats pool
LAYABOUT IS SCUMMMMMMMMM. We should lynch him after we lynch ace.
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On June 08 2013 07:05 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 07:03 jaybrundage wrote:On June 07 2013 17:18 prplhz wrote:
This really doesn't seem like anything Ace would attempt as scum.
##Vote Oatsmaster If Ace is scum he can just back out with a Miller MAH BAD bullshit. If anything if ace is as strong a mafia player as so many say he would just fakeclaim like he did on Oats. Then try to talk him self out the second lynch by saying Oats was miller. Do you see anyone here that is actually going to listen to him?
Im not sure you guys seem willing to listen to his shit now
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On June 08 2013 07:24 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 07:11 jaybrundage wrote:On June 08 2013 07:02 layabout wrote:
well that's embarrassing:
##vote Oatsmaster
jay be quiet the issue we are dealing with is Ace vs Oats everyone has made it quite clear that that's the lynch, there is no point pushing somebody else, it just add noise and confusion. WTF are you going on about. I voted for Ace thank you very much. You're the guy that posted this saying we should not go for ace and oats. Note that after everyone makes it clear we going for Ace or Oats he says this. He tried to derail the lynch off them. But failed and now he goes and says that IM trying to derail it? YOU tried to derail the lynch off them ffs dont tell me to be quiet. On June 07 2013 11:10 layabout wrote:On June 07 2013 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 07 2013 10:37 layabout wrote:
If mafia get cop they can always make this play regardless of the roleblock. Following the red check is a risk especially when the cop role is still around and more checks can increase our certainty.
If Ace flips at any point we will know if we can trust his check. A check of Oats on Ace could increase our certainty since if would confirm or deny the claim and we would be hoping the person checked does not get miller. This means Ace will never flip unless we do it ourselves, you know. Or I guess if they're both town. Yeah but lynching either is risky the chance of two town whilst ignoring them grants more checks allowing us to make a better decision. It also reduced the pool of player mafia are likely to shoot at improving the chance of us getting a medic save. We should lynch somebody else.I don't think following the cop is the best play to make in this situation. Especially since the correct(okay strong) play for mafia if they get the cop is to claim a red check. You JUST tried to get people off ace and oats. YOU JUST TRIED AND YOU ARE SAYING IM DOING IT Honestly i would try to lynch you right now. If I was not adamant in killing from the ace/oats pool LAYABOUT IS SCUMMMMMMMMM. We should lynch him after we lynch ace. Why else would i use the past tense? You called me scum for not pushing somebody other than Ace or Oats. My posting has been focussed around Ace's check on Oats. Initially i wanted us to lynch elsewhere. But in the end... I voted for Oats. You call me scum for trying to derail an Ace/Oats lynch.
Yes that exaclty what im doing. You tried to derail the Ace/Oats lynch. When you failed you fell into the background not really giving much of any content. When you saw the trend picking up to Oats you so ok lets join in now. All game you have been hesitant with your reads and your thought process. You always wait till things are finalized to join in or put your input
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On June 08 2013 07:52 Stutters695 wrote:
Does anyone have anything to say about the meta read I posted on Oats? Any counterexamples?I really don't want to lynch into him over a poor meta read but afaik it's pretty true. I haven't seen his recent games though.
Ill go reread it and give my opinion
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I can't find it link it plz
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On June 08 2013 08:11 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On June 08 2013 07:24 layabout wrote:On June 08 2013 07:11 jaybrundage wrote:On June 08 2013 07:02 layabout wrote:
well that's embarrassing:
##vote Oatsmaster
jay be quiet the issue we are dealing with is Ace vs Oats everyone has made it quite clear that that's the lynch, there is no point pushing somebody else, it just add noise and confusion. WTF are you going on about. I voted for Ace thank you very much. You're the guy that posted this saying we should not go for ace and oats. Note that after everyone makes it clear we going for Ace or Oats he says this. He tried to derail the lynch off them. But failed and now he goes and says that IM trying to derail it? YOU tried to derail the lynch off them ffs dont tell me to be quiet. On June 07 2013 11:10 layabout wrote:On June 07 2013 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 07 2013 10:37 layabout wrote:
If mafia get cop they can always make this play regardless of the roleblock. Following the red check is a risk especially when the cop role is still around and more checks can increase our certainty.
If Ace flips at any point we will know if we can trust his check. A check of Oats on Ace could increase our certainty since if would confirm or deny the claim and we would be hoping the person checked does not get miller. This means Ace will never flip unless we do it ourselves, you know. Or I guess if they're both town. Yeah but lynching either is risky the chance of two town whilst ignoring them grants more checks allowing us to make a better decision. It also reduced the pool of player mafia are likely to shoot at improving the chance of us getting a medic save. We should lynch somebody else.I don't think following the cop is the best play to make in this situation. Especially since the correct(okay strong) play for mafia if they get the cop is to claim a red check. You JUST tried to get people off ace and oats. YOU JUST TRIED AND YOU ARE SAYING IM DOING IT Honestly i would try to lynch you right now. If I was not adamant in killing from the ace/oats pool LAYABOUT IS SCUMMMMMMMMM. We should lynch him after we lynch ace. Why else would i use the past tense? You called me scum for not pushing somebody other than Ace or Oats. My posting has been focussed around Ace's check on Oats. Initially i wanted us to lynch elsewhere. But in the end... I voted for Oats. You call me scum for trying to derail an Ace/Oats lynch. Yes that exaclty what im doing. You tried to derail the Ace/Oats lynch. When you failed you fell into the background not really giving much of any content. When you saw the trend picking up to Oats you so ok lets join in now. All game you have been hesitant with your reads and your thought process. You always wait till things are finalized to join in or put your input I have been very open with my thought process. It should be pretty clear that of Ace/Oatsmaster i would vote for Oatsmaster. I didn't want to lynch ace/oats because i cant read oats well and i hate rolebased lynches like this because it is all luck based and it changes the game from being mafia-y to coinflip-y. I was late with my vote onto rayne but generally I am late with my day1 vote.
First off you where not clear you were pussy footing with who you wanted to vote for. After Oats got alot of votes then you went on the wagon. Seems like you dont like making waves.
You say you can't read Oats well. Then what about Ace you never mention if you can read him at all. If you think ace is town then you would go with his cop check cause you have a 8/9 chances that its right.
But if you and ace are scum buddies. Then you would obviously wanna go for Oats to secure that kill and get more of an advantage in numbers.
You say you were late with your vote on rayn. Convenient that you also were late with your vote on Oats.
Even when i was your scum read you didn't really push it. S0lstice did a better job making up a case. Even your attemped at derailing the lynch off Ace/Oats was weak as fuck.
You showcase hesitancy, focusing on going unnoticed and don't try to make any pushes of your own.
Smells like Scum to me
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On June 08 2013 08:02 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 06:47 Stutters695 wrote:
The I can't pull it up on my phone but he trolls way closer to being lynched as town unless there are some scum games I haven't seen where he does main difference between town oats and this game that I can tell is oats usually tries a bit harder as scum and is more likely to troll until he's lynched as town.
It's a shitty metric but I can't read him for shit. I always think he's scum, expect the one time I played and he actually was.
Too hard to link on my phone, here's the quote it hit buried pretty quick
Oh thought your meta read had more to it. I haven't been focusing to much on Oats I think that Ace is mafia and there is no way that both ace and Oats are mafia. So Oats gets a free townie pass from me. I dont know Oats meta so i can help ya much in that regard. I do not like how the way this lynch is going tho. Everyone is just piling onto Oats. I mean I guess if Oats flips green which i think he will then. We go after Ace. But I really dont see Oats being red.
Im surprised that Ace tried to derail the rayn lynch so bad and people just let it go. He had bullshit reasons for starting that. Even now hes afk and not giving a fuck about town.
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On June 08 2013 09:58 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 09:07 jaybrundage wrote:On June 08 2013 08:02 Stutters695 wrote:On June 08 2013 06:47 Stutters695 wrote:
The I can't pull it up on my phone but he trolls way closer to being lynched as town unless there are some scum games I haven't seen where he does main difference between town oats and this game that I can tell is oats usually tries a bit harder as scum and is more likely to troll until he's lynched as town.
It's a shitty metric but I can't read him for shit. I always think he's scum, expect the one time I played and he actually was.
Too hard to link on my phone, here's the quote it hit buried pretty quick Oh thought your meta read had more to it. I haven't been focusing to much on Oats I think that Ace is mafia and there is no way that both ace and Oats are mafia. So Oats gets a free townie pass from me. I dont know Oats meta so i can help ya much in that regard. I do not like how the way this lynch is going tho. Everyone is just piling onto Oats. I mean I guess if Oats flips green which i think he will then. We go after Ace. But I really dont see Oats being red. Im surprised that Ace tried to derail the rayn lynch so bad and people just let it go. He had bullshit reasons for starting that. Even now hes afk and not giving a fuck about town. 1Ace is scummy for trying to derail the rayne lynch and switch to Oatsmaster. Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 04:05 jaybrundage wrote:
oh i forgot
##UnVote
##Vote FUBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Also we need some people to get in here S0lstice, Ace come to mind maybe some more layabout You wouldn't do anything like that would you? 2If you are town you need to be less attached to your reads and more attached to the thread.
This isn't even coherent nor does it have any logic.
1Ace got on the Rayn wagon early left it. Went on Oats then came back on it because of Fuba's reasoning saying it was sound reason for why Rayn could be scum. He thought he had a valid reason for trying to lynch Rayn. But later in the day he compiled the votes and said that if people were voting for Rayn cause he was inactive then it might be a mislynch. This doesn't make any sense and doesnt follow logic.
I voted for Fuba because i thought he was the scummiest candidate. I never thought Rayn was scummy so why would i vote for him. The reason that most voted for him was because he had a town read on vayne for correctly identifying his playstyle and saying that it wasn't alignment indicative. The reason I didn't think this was scummy was because I do this. When people know my playstyle (or rather my bad play and me being lynchbait) They defend me and i give them a town read because of that.
Why would i vote someone for scum if i dont think they are scummy. Ace was on Rayn till he had a chance to get lynched then he started backpedaling
2Also what are you talking about more attached to the thread I have dropped my reads when I don't think they agree with evidence from the thread. So far I have had scum reads on S0lstice, Fuba both which I have dropped when I didn't think it made sense from what was going on in the thread. I have conflicting feelings about Sent but i see alot of scummy things in his play. I have since picked up ace as a scum read last night. And you just recently :D Isn't that swell
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On June 08 2013 10:15 layabout wrote:
sucks that when i am around and feel like posting no one else is
You wish you were so lucky
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@Layabout
You say Rayn is scummy because his town read didn't make sense from a town perspective. But in previous games when I'm town I do very similar things. Therefore I didn't think Rayn was scummy
"This is silly" doesn't much change my game experiences and people defending me as lynch bait usually being town.
Layabout
Before the end of day 1 you called oatsmaster town, Ace scummy and me scummy. And that is what you are doing now. I also feel that you have not attempted to try to understand my viewpoint because your happy to look busy yelling "scum".
Rofl please Sir do quote it or gtfo thx :D
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On June 08 2013 11:02 layabout wrote:
dammit misread stuff.
jay if you as town are doing what rayne did which gave him away as mafia then i think i have identified a problem with your townplay.
Well if it works for me don't fix i say. If i can use my badness to attract mafia to target me. Then i should do that.
And if another townie sees this happening and comes in to stop a mislynch. Then they are prolly town and i can use that information.
Regardless I'm town this game. But I believe you my friend are not.
How about you do something layabout. And say who you think is scum outside of Ace/Oats. Also who's your biggest town read.
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On June 08 2013 12:25 Ace wrote:
I'm back. I know I've been gone all day but I'll make a big post addressing whatever I've missed.
Oh joy Ace and Layabout. Invite the other two mafia we can have a party.
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On June 08 2013 12:55 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 12:42 jaybrundage wrote:On June 08 2013 11:02 layabout wrote:
dammit misread stuff.
jay if you as town are doing what rayne did which gave him away as mafia then i think i have identified a problem with your townplay. Well if it works for me don't fix i say. If i can use my badness to attract mafia to target me. Then i should do that. And if another townie sees this happening and comes in to stop a mislynch. Then they are prolly town and i can use that information. Regardless I'm town this game. But I believe you my friend are not. How about you do something layabout. And say who you think is scum outside of Ace/Oats. Also who's your biggest town read. I am not telling mafia who my biggest townread is. That's dumb. I would rather see another flip before i push scumreads in thread. You can only lynch 1 person at a time and it's not going to be me. Also there are currently 3 mafia players alive.
Wtf? You really don't even feel confident to say one other scum read. It helps stimulate discussion. Thats why even tho we are lynching in a pool of two. We should still talk about other scum reads so we can gauge reactions and see what people's opinions are. What do you plan to do the rest of the day if your not willing to talk about other scum reads?
Or is it that your afraid of saying your scum read. And then later when you flip flop and dont take stances (like you usually do my scum friend) You wont have to worry about what you said earlier.
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On June 09 2013 00:26 prplhz wrote:
@Ace Do you have a read who isn't Oatsmaster?
prplhz do you have a scum read who isn't Oatmaster. If we were not voting between the pool of Ace/Oats. Who would you want to lynch and why?
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On June 09 2013 01:06 prplhz wrote:
It really sucks if the universe is screwing us over with a miller but it's just rather unlikely so I'm simply going to ignore that. So assuming we didn't get screwed over by a miller then the most logical conclusion is that Oatsmaster is scum.
But he sure is fighting for his life in a most impressive fashion.
Yea But outside of the pool of Oats/Ace who would you lynch.
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On June 09 2013 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 01:50 VayneAuthority wrote:
Btw, if Oats actually does flip town and ace is scum, it means scum is putting a lot of faith into their last 2 players. We have to re-think who is "confirmed" town.
If oats is scum, proceed as normal. I really hate days like this. This is one of the things that helped us win in Les; discussion only occurs around one topic, and tomorrow it'll be the same topic if Oats flips town. Not to mention the imp of the perverse just stuck his 3-pronged fork into my prefrontal cortex saying, "hey! What if Ace and Oats are both scum and this really is just one megascumplay. When I get home I will do my Oats read and vote someone or something. I feel helpless today and I hate that.
Lol if ace and Oats are both scum Then they will have played this beautifully
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