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jaybrundage
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jaybrundage
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Having that piece of information lead you to believe that rayne was scum. However you back tracked after you said other people might have given reasons for inactivity. But other peoples voting reasons shouldn't of had such a big impact on your read. Why does it matter why they vote for him. If you think rayne is scum? | ||
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jaybrundage
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On June 06 2013 12:22 Ace wrote: yes that post. read up the discussion surrounding it. It does matter what they think - notice how I originally voted for rayne. I was first on Oats (who ignored my question) and as I read the thread switched to rayne based on furba's post. As it went on it was clear some people were voting for rayne because he was inactive, and not based on scum reads. That is prime setting for a mislynch. I disagree it doesnt matter what they think. If you think someone is scum. Then lynch the person you think is scum. Just cause other people have weird reasons they vote for someone (inactivity you stated) It doesnt matter cause you have better reasons (what you stated was rayns odd reasoning for having a town read on vayne.) Unless you change your mind and dont think someone is scum then you should switch. What reason did you have for leaving the rayn lynch? Other people had bad reasons for voting does not seem like a legitimate answer | ||
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jaybrundage
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On June 06 2013 12:56 Zephirdd wrote: But thats the exact reason why I left the WoS lynch... Hmm But isnt my logic sound. If you have a valid reason to suspect someone is scum do the people who are voting for your scum candidate really effect your decision that much i dont get it : / | ||
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jaybrundage
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On June 06 2013 23:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Yes. It doesn't make sense to me that you'd sheep someone whose quality of reads is questionable, even if they are town. Also rereading the past few hours I'd like to hear from jay why he found fuba scmmier than rayn. First off I didn't really think Rayn was scummy. People say he was scummy because he thought vayne was town because vayne knew that activity was not really alignment indicative for him (rayn) Fuba asked me if someone defining my play style makes them more likley town i explained my self here. On June 06 2013 05:20 jaybrundage wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2013 04:35 mkfuba07 wrote: That's not the reason I gave. Town reads on vayne are perfectly fine. I, myself, just gave a slight town read on him. The reason I gave for rayn being scum is that his town read on vayne is based entirely around vayne doing something that anyone, of any alignment, could do. It's something scum can do easily to make themselves look like town, while not actually contributing their own thoughts. It's something that I wouldn't expect a townie to be convinced by, but something that scum would be enticed by. I didn't just jump on rayn because his wagon started. I wasn't convinced by the other cases. I was convinced by this one. If you don't like my reasoning, you're free to disagree with it. As for the bolded, in all honesty it probably would be better. At least in the sense that I would not find it as scummy. I find "no definable reason" to be better than a scummy reason (at least until we see some flips). And finally, there was no "switch" from vayne to rayn. You make it seem like one led to the other, when they're completely independent. If rayn had given that reason as a town read for *anyone* I would have had the same reaction. Here's a question for you: Do you think that someone explaining your playstyle is indicative of their alignment? @Fuba while obviously there are exceptions to every rule. But over the course of quite a few games I have found out that players who define my playstyle (as being lynchbait) and stop a lynch from going to me on day one.. Are usually town. Scum have no motive to do this they can just let the wagon roll. While you may think this line of reasoning is scummy. about 80%-90% of the time when im town and someone else defends me and tells everyone that im lynch bait that person defending me is also town. So yes i do find it alignment indicative. I didn't think what rayn did was scummy because i do it all the time. People who defend me as lynch bait usually are town cause there is no scum motivation behind it. I thought Fuba was scum because of his first post about vayne seemed like fluff and he had no content at first. I never switched off him cause i never liked the other lynch candidates. | ||
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jaybrundage
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On June 07 2013 06:56 Zephirdd wrote: unless you are scum. Then there is scum motivation in defending you. just pointing it out. Well if you mean if the person defending me is scum as well as me being scum then yea you would be right. But im not scum :p | ||
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On June 07 2013 07:16 Zephirdd wrote: yeah but like... Rayn defended you. We just estabilished that there is no scum motivation into defending you, UNLESS you are scum Rayn was scum, which means that he had a scum motivation So, if rayn was scum, and rayn defended you, what does that make? No Vivax defended me by saying that yes I am a often mislynch. Rayn just went after Wos for taking Vivax at face value. I can possibly see scum trying to defend me to take advantage of my misguided trust. But the majority of the time its been town doing it. Oh and I was the Docter I protected Vivax. | ||
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jaybrundage
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On June 07 2013 07:59 kitaman27 wrote: I didn't have as much time as I had hoped to finish this post since I thought the deadline was an hour later, but I want to post it in case I get shot. My top two scum suspects are Ace and Sent currently. Everyone should role claim (I'm vanilla) Punish players if they offer bad alignment cop/medic/roleblocker selections. Ace had a poor showing day one, not bringing anything of value to the table. He was late to the rayn lynch and even tried to spook people away from the lynch in the final hours. What concerns me the most is that Ace wasn't applying his own views of rayn, he is characterizing whether or not the lynch is legitimate based on the collective reasoning. With this post, Ace establishes that there is a legitimate reason to vote rayn. Later on, he establishes the case from fuba as the argument that convinced him that rayn is scum. After an analysis of the votes, however Ace decides that rayn is a poor lynch. Why do the statements that Ace described as a solid line of reasoning no longer apply? If people are voting rayn for the wrong reasons, shouldn't he be convincing people to vote rayn for the right reasons, instead of trying to redirect the lynch? Even if Ace concluded that rayn was an inactivity lynch, concluding that it was a mislynch is a jump that is never adequately explained. An inactivity lynch can be valid if there is supporting evidence that the player is scum in the limited amount of posts they have. Ace never discusses rayn's posts, which should be the deciding factor when determining if the inactivity lynch is a mafia lynch or mislynch. From the previous game, where I was a scum buddy with rayn, I noticed that on day one, he put effort into scum to scum interaction, sending me a couple of softballs, that weren't really prompted. I wouldn't put much value into this observation, but I think his interaction with Ace and layabout most closely reflect this type of interaction. Even if you ignore the "scum slip", the thing about this post that seems the most scummy to me is the fact that he is concerned about how he appears to others. A town player votes for the player they want to lynch as scum. A mafia player is more aware of how his vote will look to others. He also appears paranoid when he makes a post stating his concern by not being mentioned by rayn. I think he overplays his certainty of the lynch in his explanation of a previous post. In his post, he describes it as a gut read and never really indicates that rayn is the player that we should be lynching, until the lynch is already decided. Post-flip he suddenly goes from a gut read to 100% certain. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS This is exactly what i was talking about I thought I was mistaken in my reasoning cause of what Zepp said. Kita you still around I got a question for ya. These were my posts talking to ace On June 06 2013 12:29 jaybrundage wrote: I disagree it doesnt matter what they think. If you think someone is scum. Then lynch the person you think is scum. Just cause other people have weird reasons they vote for someone (inactivity you stated) It doesnt matter cause you have better reasons (what you stated was rayns odd reasoning for having a town read on vayne.) Unless you change your mind and dont think someone is scum then you should switch. What reason did you have for leaving the rayn lynch? Other people had bad reasons for voting does not seem like a legitimate answer But then Zep responded with this That he left the Wos lynch for reasons of not liking the votes on him. Or is the difference not liking the vote reasons or the people that are voting. On June 06 2013 14:07 jaybrundage wrote: Hmm But isnt my logic sound. If you have a valid reason to suspect someone is scum do the people who are voting for your scum candidate really effect your decision that much i dont get it : / I just thought aces odd way of going against the lynch was because of other people voting him cause it was an inactivity lynch just bad logic to turn around a lynch. | ||
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jaybrundage
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On June 07 2013 08:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Also lol of the people I might have RBed jay would have been one of them ZZZ | ||
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##Vote Ace O' Spades | ||
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Who the hell is the cop? | ||
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On June 07 2013 08:40 layabout wrote: I don't see how Ace is scummy. At all. His approach to the lynch was both sensible and productive. Well my reasoning is that if you think someone is scum and have a legitimate reason in your mind. Other people voting for your scum lynch is a good thing it shouldn't matter what their reasoning for it is. Whether it be an inactivity lynch or the same reason ace had. He went from Rayn being scum to prolly town due to other people votes on rayn being for activity reasons. Am i making sense? I'm not to gud at explaining things. | ||
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jaybrundage
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But on the other had if ace is green then we should by all means go for it. I just have trouble seeing ace as green. The worse case scenario being that Ace is town and checks Oats who is town and miller. That would kinda suck. At the end of the day it depends on who is most likely mafia from whats going on from the thread. Between Oats and Ace i wanna say ace from his last minute vote derail | ||
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On June 07 2013 10:16 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't like being pigeonholed into a 2-person lynch choice this early in the day. It kills discussion. I'm going to go about it as if the copclaim doesn't exist and once I'm done I will factor it in. If at that point it makes the most sense to lynch Oats or Ace I will gladly go along with it. Ok i can agree with this. With out the cop check i would still want to lynch oats. Wos who do you think is the scummiest person as of today | ||
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On June 07 2013 11:39 kitaman27 wrote: You're getting lynched if you afk for a second cycle. There is more to discuss past the cop check. This 100% you were barely here for the first day. After you Rayn was already set to be lynched you busted in and tried to make a last minute switch if you had presence before it would of been much clear what your stances were. I am still 100% for killing ace. However as people have said we shouldnt limit discussion to just them as possible scum. | ||
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On June 07 2013 13:46 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think its a great idea to get caught up in a web of lies considering scum can obtain cop the next night or has already obtained it etc etc. End it while its still small Wow never thought about that if scum get cop tmw they can really cause a shitstorm. With that being said vote for ace the wagon of justice calls. | ||
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jaybrundage
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On June 07 2013 14:01 Ace wrote: yea but it's more likely that they dont get it. Are you really trying to push a worst case scenario that isn't likely to happen as an excuse to lynch me? Why have you tunneled me but not even considered that my check is legit and Oats is Scum? Do you even have a read on Oats? Tunneling you? Are you kidding me you were not even on my radar till this last night. Your weird as hell reasoning with the people on your wagon having the wrong reasoning for voting someone holds no water at all. You thought you had a legitimate reason to vote rayn as scum. But when other people are voting for inactivity you say it could be a mislynch. Did it not occur to you that a scum could be inactive. Scum lurk all the damn time. Mafia could of got cop today and just are trying to get a free mislynch. While it is less likely numbers wise. The fact that your scummy makes it a lot easier to mafia got the cop role. As for Oats. I have been pretty null on him. He hasn't really been a player in the game IMO. He was just calling for your lynch for reasons I didn't really agree with (mostly inactivity reasons i believe) I would like to see more from him @Oats I would like it if you write up a bit why you think prlphz is scum. | ||
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jaybrundage
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If you were not going for Oats as your scum read Could you gimme your 3 top scum reads and your 3 best town reads thx Brosef | ||
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On June 08 2013 06:13 Vivax wrote: I don't get why you people are even discussing Sentinel for lynch. My post lays out already that he is most likely town, I'll explain it like you're 5 year old: a) He was pushing Oats all along → Unlikely scum with Oats b) He switched to Ace cause two of his scumreads voted Oats → Unlikely scum with ace (and I don't think that scum would be willing to trade cred for a NK) Unless ace and Oats are both town, Sentinel isn't scum, barring any powerplay where he plays exactly the opposite of how he should. We should keep it as simple as possible and lynch Oats, and if Oats flips town we lynch ace, if Oats was miller then we gambled and lost. Layabout can you lay out the reasons for why you think he's town? I havent read over Sent too recently but i dont like your train thought so let butt in. Let me explain it like your 5 years old. (Dont be condescending cause then people can just throw it back in your face.) Sent was pushing Oats. Unlike what you believe SCUM CAN PUSH EACH OTHER *GASP* (You're like five so you prolly didn't know that) Also here is another scenario this one is partly off what kita said. Scum sent can just make up reads and use them to change his votes. They don't have to be legitimate reads | ||
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