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And why do you not comment on my points against H3 in that ragesoup of yours, since you claim that there are things that make him readable?
All you're doing is disrupting reads, not pointing out where scum is, that betrays you.
This is your case against Eccleston
Seeing as MSmith's secondary read was Eccleston and McCoy's secondary read was JP, Eccleston looks very bad in light of the kill.
I am here, and talking. Eccleston is not. In fact, no one aside from PT2 really is consistently around.
Eccleston, despite having been replaced by a second player, continues to do nothing. You have yet to comment on this. Are you that tunneled that you're going to refuse to consider this?
Third, even if you do not like Eccleston as a lynch, I am still by far worse than others in the game-notably, HW.
When someone is not convinced about Eccleston and pushes your lynch, you don't try to convince that guy. You become angry and point out other players which are hard to read.
But in none of this you ever point to H3.
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what's the votecount look like? does pt have a chance at dying?
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H3
The candidates for this lynch are:
TomB4, Eccleston and Hurndall3.
You need to step up; because that vote on PT earlier was a load of bullocks.
Are you going to vote Tom or not.
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On June 07 2013 00:34 SMcCoy wrote:And why do you not comment on my points against H3 in that ragesoup of yours, since you claim that there are things that make him readable? All you're doing is disrupting reads, not pointing out where scum is, that betrays you. This is your case against Eccleston Show nested quote +
Seeing as MSmith's secondary read was Eccleston and McCoy's secondary read was JP, Eccleston looks very bad in light of the kill.
Show nested quote +I am here, and talking. Eccleston is not. In fact, no one aside from PT2 really is consistently around.
Eccleston, despite having been replaced by a second player, continues to do nothing. You have yet to comment on this. Are you that tunneled that you're going to refuse to consider this?
Third, even if you do not like Eccleston as a lynch, I am still by far worse than others in the game-notably, HW.
When someone is not convinced about Eccleston and pushes your lynch, you don't try to convince that guy. You become angry and point out other players which are hard to read. But in none of this you ever point to H3.
What are you talking about?
I have been trying to convince him to get off me and onto someone else for more than 24 hours now. Are you blind?
Of course I don't point to H3, because I don't think he's as good a lynch as either Eccleston or HW. How hard is that to understand?
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On June 07 2013 00:36 Hurndall3 wrote:
what's the votecount look like? does pt have a chance at dying?
also if I were scum with this guy I would never in a million years let him post something so unbelievably stupid
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On June 07 2013 00:43 TomB4 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 00:34 SMcCoy wrote:And why do you not comment on my points against H3 in that ragesoup of yours, since you claim that there are things that make him readable? All you're doing is disrupting reads, not pointing out where scum is, that betrays you. This is your case against Eccleston
Seeing as MSmith's secondary read was Eccleston and McCoy's secondary read was JP, Eccleston looks very bad in light of the kill.
I am here, and talking. Eccleston is not. In fact, no one aside from PT2 really is consistently around.
Eccleston, despite having been replaced by a second player, continues to do nothing. You have yet to comment on this. Are you that tunneled that you're going to refuse to consider this?
Third, even if you do not like Eccleston as a lynch, I am still by far worse than others in the game-notably, HW.
When someone is not convinced about Eccleston and pushes your lynch, you don't try to convince that guy. You become angry and point out other players which are hard to read. But in none of this you ever point to H3. What are you talking about? I have been trying to convince him to get off me and onto someone else for more than 24 hours now. Are you blind? Of course I don't point to H3, because I don't think he's as good a lynch as either Eccleston or HW. How hard is that to understand?
What do you think of him using the same reason to both defend DrT and then jump on his wagon, as pointed out in my case?
Do you feel that H3's play so far has been pro-town, can you find evidence for him being town aside from his D1 votes? Do you think that evidence is a counterweight to his disruptive play and weak arguments in light of the DrT lynch?
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On June 07 2013 00:45 TomB4 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 00:36 Hurndall3 wrote:
what's the votecount look like? does pt have a chance at dying? also if I were scum with this guy I would never in a million years let him post something so unbelievably stupid
He's been playing like that all game long, seems like it worked pretty well for him, and that without doing jack shit except for trolling and acting stupid. If he's playing scum he's playing scum like it should be played in a smurf game.
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On June 07 2013 00:34 SMcCoy wrote:
But in none of this you ever point to H3.
Yes, and TomB4 never points out A.McGann either.
You do realise, A.McGann was also stalling to join the Dr.T wagon?
He merely hid it behind "I''m waiting for him to respond first" even though i agree with your case.
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On June 07 2013 00:46 SMcCoy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 00:43 TomB4 wrote:On June 07 2013 00:34 SMcCoy wrote:And why do you not comment on my points against H3 in that ragesoup of yours, since you claim that there are things that make him readable? All you're doing is disrupting reads, not pointing out where scum is, that betrays you. This is your case against Eccleston
Seeing as MSmith's secondary read was Eccleston and McCoy's secondary read was JP, Eccleston looks very bad in light of the kill.
I am here, and talking. Eccleston is not. In fact, no one aside from PT2 really is consistently around.
Eccleston, despite having been replaced by a second player, continues to do nothing. You have yet to comment on this. Are you that tunneled that you're going to refuse to consider this?
Third, even if you do not like Eccleston as a lynch, I am still by far worse than others in the game-notably, HW.
When someone is not convinced about Eccleston and pushes your lynch, you don't try to convince that guy. You become angry and point out other players which are hard to read. But in none of this you ever point to H3. What are you talking about? I have been trying to convince him to get off me and onto someone else for more than 24 hours now. Are you blind? Of course I don't point to H3, because I don't think he's as good a lynch as either Eccleston or HW. How hard is that to understand? What do you think of him using the same reason to both defend DrT and then jump on his wagon, as pointed out in my case? Do you feel that H3's play so far has been pro-town, can you find evidence for him being town aside from his D1 votes? Do you think that evidence is a counterweight to his disruptive play and weak arguments in light of the DrT lynch?
No, he hasn't been pro-town, but so far only maybe 3 players have been.
Sadly I think he's one of those players who you have to label as town and can't kill because there are too many other scummy players to lynch them all. I could obviously be wrong about this, but based on his boldness and how little he cares for what attention he receives, I don't think he's scum. He just really doesn't care what people think of him.
On June 04 2013 11:10 Hurndall3 wrote:
fuck I guess my vote is really outdated.
##unvote
##vote JP
NOT THAT IT MATTERS
Would a scum make a vote post with such little consideration to the time in the game? He posted this AFTER the deadline IIRC.
On June 05 2013 06:04 Hurndall3 wrote:stahp!! HW is confirmed town as far as im concerned. HW SAID (too hard to quote shit properly) Show nested quote + I'm not the scummiest looking if the fucking medic gets lynched before I do. You don't even need context. Contained in that single sentence is an attitude that is impossible to fake as scum.
He's wrong here IMO, but what matters is not his opinion but the way in which he presents it. He's pretty confident about this read of his and he's not afraid to put it out there simply and boldly.
Anyway, H3 hasn't been posting much, and what he does post is annoying/dumb, but it doesn't necessarily make him scum. Not when almost 2/3 of the playerbase is inactive, anyway. I count 4 players who have contributed anything significant today. You, Davison, PT, and myself. The other 5 are just not doing anything at all. 2 of them I'm pretty confident are town, Baker and McGann. That leaves Eccleston, HW, and H3.
Maybe the problem is that we are trying to kill Eccleston and H3 and not HW. I think pretty much everyone in the game agrees that he is scum. Would you be down to simply switch and kill him?
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On June 07 2013 00:51 TheDavison wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 00:34 SMcCoy wrote:
But in none of this you ever point to H3. Yes, and TomB4 never points out A.McGann either. You do realise, A.McGann was also stalling to join the Dr.T wagon? He merely hid it behind "I''m waiting for him to respond first" even though i agree with your case.
So, all 3 of us are scum?
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fuck it, let's kill HW.
##unvote
##vote HartnellWill
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On June 01 2013 00:53 A McGann wrote:
JPertwee, the problem I am having is that the wagon building against Trout all revolves around that one single post. Yes, his initial post was shit. But if we were lynching people off of shitty first posts, we'd have a long queue of people to hang. I am not comfortable lynching off a sample size of one.
On the other hand Dr.Tennant has 'been in the spotlight' for over a day now and produced nothing. He's apparently still reading the thread and choosing to not contribute, which is worse than Trout dropping a single bad post and then falling off the face of the planet.
11 hours before deadline, no backdoor for McGann to see, and he suspected JP before that, who was pushing the DrT wagon. If this guy is scum, he decided to let DrT die very early and then paid attention to things he would not have had to, namely giving Eccleston a townread and voicing his suspicion of JP.
Nah, I don't think McGann is scum.
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quadpost time:
I'm really rapidly losing interest in this game. If there's no pick up in activity soon honestly I don't really have the time nor patience to keep posting and arguing in circles. The number of replacements, the complete lack of activity, and the general apathy have made a game that I thought would be pretty fun and nice really dull and frustrating. Day 1 had some of these elements but to me it was okay because we hit scum. Day 2 was just horrible.
I'm sorry to the hosts for what they've had to deal with this game, but really as a player it just drains you when you see that more players in the game are afk than trying.
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PT2000, I promised I would reply when I had access to a comp. Here goes.
On June 06 2013 09:12 PTroughton2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2013 08:45 TheDavison wrote:
Trout.
I am more than happy for you to challenged my logic with tomb4.
It can only lead to finding scum.
As for mcgann, I would prefer to work on one target at a time. I hope you can respect that. I am merely one person and already entrenched with tom.
Going back to tom.
You identify you think his response is genuine and my reasoning is perhaps, misinterpretation.
Can you please detail where you think I have gone astray.
Lastly. If McCoy had a super town read on PT2, and then you replace on as PT2000. Do you not think it is odd if mccoy calls u scum without exchanging any conversation with you? Pasting out part of your post without direct quotes:
However it is not almost certain. Considering there are other roles capable of preventing a NK than medic in this game.+ Show Spoiler +
As with Tom, I am having a hard time believing there would be TWO protective roles in this game. It's a 13-player game, and would be out of this world imbalanced to have more than one protective role, especially without the possibility of a mafia vigilante or other type of KP (from the OP). Imagine two protective roles that would be used defensively night after night in such a small game that mafia KP has virtually no meaning. Yes, it's possible they would double cover, it's also possible they would simply protect two of the strongest town powers for the entire game and keep them alive long enough to solve the game handily. That doesn't jive with how most gave I've played or read are balance, and therefore I disagree with your propostition that there are further protective roles.
Firstly, my case never weighed in on this very trivial point.
Tom actually was the one who inserted it in his case rebuttal.
Lastly, I never stated the conclusion you interpreted.
As I mentioned, Eccleston did not vote.
With your logic: whilst Eccleston may hang with the low fruit; he must certainly not be the lowest hanging fruit.+ Show Spoiler +
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If i choose to indulge this "theory".
MSmith1 was chasing Eccleston & MSmith1 dies.
This outcome does not make Eccleston scum.
You know this TomB4. Cause and causality are very hard to "reverse engineer", yet you claim to have done so?
I smell fallacious posting.
Even if you want to treat this "theory" as 'icing on the cake", the rest of your reasoning does not even equate to the eggs in the cake mix. The point is moot.
Eccleston has been a focus for many players so far this game. The original's posts and interactions were questionable and the current incarnation is barely here. However, to attribute the night shot or shots on MSmith means that, as he has explained and matches up with the gamestate, isn't a stretch at all. It's a point of evidence, not the sole evidence, against Eccleston.
I have to disagree that MSmith1 suspecting Eccleston; and MSmith1 subsequently dying is indicative of Eccleston being scum.
I have outlined this in more detail here
If we rewind to Day1/2: You identified Eccleston as a probable town in this post+ Show Spoiler +
Are we not allowed to be wrong? His judgement was his own to make, that's why the game allows us to vote. He may not have interacted with Eccleston about it but coming to a possibly incorrect conclusion at the time doesn't make him scummy. Do you think it's fair to assume that he gave Eccleston the opportunity to present himself as town by seeking out potential town motivation for Eccleston's posts? Did he look like he was unable to be swayed about his read on Eccleston? I started with a scum read on Eccleston just from my first read through the game, does that mean I should not also allow Eccleston the opportunity to prove his innocence if he is capable of doing so? As Tom points out, the game is dynamic; and as a famous TL Mafia philosopher once said: "You have to build a case for a day and then, as you approach the lynch, do it all again from scratch to see if it makes sense".
We already touched on this point.
I complete support reads changing, but the process needs to be organic.
My whole issue is that TomB4 had a very strong town read on Eccleston.
He 180's on this "very strong read" based on what I deem to be weak long that is easily broken down.
Further he made no effort to discuss his issues with his "very strong read", which I think is bizarre.
The gist of TomB4 rational to vote Eccleston, is the dearth of MSmith1. This is 100% speculation and can not be proven - only assumed.
Thus for a townie looking for scum: this should not be the basis of reverting a firm town read.
I will give credit to TomB4 that he has stuck to his guns this whole time; but the counter to that is, he hasnt received votes to pressure him either. A case is only scary if the votes follow.
That is a sequence of logic that is incomprehensible for a townie.
In this sequence of actions, you exhibit no desire to follow up with Eccleston to ascertain his alignment. This is the absolute least a man of your intellect can do for a former "confirmed' townie.+ Show Spoiler +
You are incredulous to the fact that anyone could possibly try looking for a town motive from Eccleston and then switch to a scum read once enough time has passed? How easy is it to communicate with someone who is barely even playing the game at that time? We have Eccleston here now, perhaps Tom is here and will be able to, as you request, engage him now that he has arrived.
I think this point is covered above.
This is not a case of reverting a "leaning town" to "leaning scum" without dialogue.
This is about reverting a "probably town" to "probably scum" lets vote, without dialogue.
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On June 07 2013 00:55 TomB4 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 11:10 Hurndall3 wrote:
fuck I guess my vote is really outdated.
##unvote
##vote JP
NOT THAT IT MATTERS Would a scum make a vote post with such little consideration to the time in the game? He posted this AFTER the deadline IIRC.
On June 03 2013 05:09 Hurndall3 wrote:
##vote td
jp is looking town from that last post. going with the alternate wagon. Besides I thought td looked scummy from his first post.
On June 03 2013 08:11 Hurndall3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 08:00 Baker1986 wrote:On June 03 2013 07:53 Hurndall3 wrote:
ya ecc or td id lynch either of those why not JP? his recent post looks hella town.
There you have proof that this guy trolls even harder than PT who you wanted to lynch so much over flipped scum.
You don't even read H3's filter properly when you defend him.
Not hard to guess why.
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Eccelstone 4 votes, gonna be lynched.
lynch ends in 10 hours.
getto vote count.
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On June 07 2013 01:08 TomB4 wrote:
quadpost time:
I'm really rapidly losing interest in this game. If there's no pick up in activity soon honestly I don't really have the time nor patience to keep posting and arguing in circles. The number of replacements, the complete lack of activity, and the general apathy have made a game that I thought would be pretty fun and nice really dull and frustrating. Day 1 had some of these elements but to me it was okay because we hit scum. Day 2 was just horrible.
I'm sorry to the hosts for what they've had to deal with this game, but really as a player it just drains you when you see that more players in the game are afk than trying.
Personally I agree with this in full.
I hate using this type of logic, but, the main reason I would consider lynching Eccleston is a taboo point.
The fucker didnt vote, and GM still gave him a replacement.
(1) If Dr.T was lynched Day1, and MSmith was indeed correct.. I can picture scum being very demoralised... Essentially making one of Davison / PTroughton / Eccleston scum.
(2) If scum lost a member to modkill, the game would be effectively over.
Look like I said, this is taboo, so i dont know why im posting it. Its prob more of a vent, because Im just as frustrated.
I quit mafia a while back, and came back solely for this game. It has been a very disappointing experience. (Nothing to do with GM though). I really cant be fucked posting anymore between now and deadline.
Tom, my vote is going to stick on you. I just hope town can secure a majority lynch.It seems impossible currently.
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What's up with you going emo (aside from Tom who is just squealing under pressure)
We have 10 hours.
We get our vote on one of H3 or Tom, and a scum gets lynched.
Personally I'd prefer H3 cause there's always the chance that you're wrong, but in that case the loss is a win for town.
No it's not a policy lynch, read my case.
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My problem is.
I been putting in effort for 24hrs to get a Tom lynch.
and its for nothing.
Eccleston is majority lynch.
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On June 07 2013 00:42 TheDavison wrote:
H3
The candidates for this lynch are:
TomB4, Eccleston and Hurndall3.
You need to step up; because that vote on PT earlier was a load of bullocks.
Are you going to vote Tom or not.
I dont like any of those lynches though! Haven't looked into Tom real close but his activity looks pretty town just from glancing at it. Why not PT ;_;
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