EPTSince you've quoted that, do you agree with the statement?
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A McGann
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Since you've quoted that, do you agree with the statement? | ||
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A McGann
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TheDavison
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On June 03 2013 16:02 A McGann wrote: Mhmm. Since you've quoted that, do you agree with the statement? + Show Spoiler [Statement] + On June 02 2013 21:16 A McGann wrote: Tom, in regards to how many scum were on the Dr.Tennant wagon, I'd say a maximum of 1. The idea of both remaining scum being on Dr.Tennant (and therefore everyone not on that lynch is town) is outlandish enough that I'm willing to discount it. On June 01 2013 11:30 Oatsmaster wrote: DrTennant (8): SMcCoy, Baker1986, MSmith1, HartnellWil, A McGann, Eccleston, Hurndall3, TomB4 Yes I can agree it is indeed outlandish to entertain that notion - with one caveat. Just as reads must evolve based on thread direction; so must this heuristic. Mafia game after mafia game has proven to me that what *I* consider to be good, solid play; is not necessarily what is in the mind of other players. Regardless, I think the best course of action is to evaluate what JPertwee brings to the table with his rebuttle(s). I hope for his sake, he does not thrive in the spotlight the same way Dr.Tennant did. | ||
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PTroughton2
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From: New Management To: Smurf Mafia I have assumed control of PT2 (now known as PT2000). I read through the thread quickly while sleepy so I can't give much good analysis at the moment, but I wrote down a couple of thoughts that I can share that stem from my initial impressions of the game. As far as what PT2 was doing in his first and apparently only post, you're going to have to ask him if you find out after the game is over. Made a few notes early in the reading process (I hadn't read the game at all before subbing in, sorry this is pretty weak right now). Eccleston posting for the sake of posting. Struck me as scummy as all get-out. I'll be reviewing him in detail later in the day. Lots of good arguments for Eccleston probably being scum that I saw being posted by other players. On May 29 2013 17:33 Eccleston wrote: Reporting in. Why do you prefer guessing at the scum team instead of trying to generate constructive discussion? On May 29 2013 17:45 Eccleston wrote: Setup speculation, lynching policies ... something that you can reply to. MSmith had a really nice conversation starter and also pointed out what struck me immediately about Ecc as I began to read the thread, started with a green read on MSmith and I don't really recall much else sticking out during the rest of the day. maybe I'm just too sleepy to remember or maybe there's something there to look at. Here's where my original read stemmed from: On May 29 2013 17:51 MSmith1 wrote: OK Eccleston. So far if I had to guess I'd say town on A McGann because he made a polite hello post, tried to learn something about me, and tried to generate discussion. And I would guess that you are scum because the first thing you did was throw some dirt at me which I feel was unwarranted and unnecessarily negative. Your turn. What alignment is A McGann and what alignment am I? McCoy has been town cheiftan so far and Baker seems to be hinting he's rather comfortable with sheeping McCoy. Looking into Baker as well, not sure how comfortable I am with him being a sheep but at least it's McCoy who is the shepherd. So you have my thoughts based on my first quick 90-minute read through the game so far. If you want impressions on players who I haven't mentioned that I will be looking at when I return that would be swell. Looks like we're talking about JP most recently so I'll add him to my to-do list. Goodnight. | ||
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SMcCoy
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Feeling town isn't just being well structured,to the point and confident. Town should be curious, engaged and inquisitive, and can even say pointless things. While JP's posts look like he's completely unafraid to die, they are also exceedingly judgmental, lacking of analysis, questions and views on multiple players. All the guys he's commenting on are those who he thinks are most likely to get chopped, everything else doesn't matter, and it looks like he knows exactly what to do. Did you ever see this guy try to step up to give someone like Davis, H3 or Smith a townread? The only one I can recall is when I asked him what he thinks of Tom when he was pushing for the trout wagon. He said: "Tom is town enough said" I understand that Tom looks similarly confident and if he's scum he's playing the part significantly better than JP, but you also have to realize that Tom should at the very least have been suspicious as to why JP gave him such a townread early in the game. If these two are scum they're dangerous actors and I would be very careful with putting them away as town. I might just be exceedingly careful here, but these were the guys who resisted the DrT wagon, and they were almost able to get away with it easily. I thought Eccleston might be scum cause DrT ignored his fluff and attacked mine, and justified that with giving Eccleston a weird townread, later, under pressure, DrT started throwing some half-assed suspicion on Eccelston before jumping on the trout wagon. Might have been distancing, sure, might also have been abuse of perspective. If DrT was at least a little smart he should have realized that Eccelston would not have been looking exceedingly well after his flip, and the distancing attempt would have made it look worse. However, JP tried to divert my attention to Eccleston when I got my eyes on DrT by asking me questions about him and if I think he's scum, and mediated between me and DrT. JP never gave his own opinion of anything in the process other than that he sees where DrT was coming from, and came back after a posting gap by posting his Troughton push. I can't reliably discern Eccleston's alignment at the moment, there are some possible connection arguments but I'd prefer to judge him by his own play. I'll post them later nonetheless, maybe someone will see something interesting in them I do not. | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
If I may direct some of your energy towards the below. On June 03 2013 16:45 PTroughton2 wrote: + Show Spoiler [*Snip*] + MEMO From: New Management To: Smurf Mafia I have assumed control of PT2 (now known as PT2000). I read through the thread quickly while sleepy so I can't give much good analysis at the moment, but I wrote down a couple of thoughts that I can share that stem from my initial impressions of the game. As far as what PT2 was doing in his first and apparently only post, you're going to have to ask him if you find out after the game is over. Made a few notes early in the reading process (I hadn't read the game at all before subbing in, sorry this is pretty weak right now). Eccleston posting for the sake of posting. Struck me as scummy as all get-out. I'll be reviewing him in detail later in the day. Lots of good arguments for Eccleston probably being scum that I saw being posted by other players. + Show Spoiler [*snip*] + On May 29 2013 17:33 Eccleston wrote: Reporting in. Why do you prefer guessing at the scum team instead of trying to generate constructive discussion? On May 29 2013 17:45 Eccleston wrote: Setup speculation, lynching policies ... something that you can reply to. PT2000. A.McGann provided an excellent take on Eccleston here. (1) Once you have had a chance to assimilate, let us know if your opinion has changed. + Show Spoiler [*Snip*] + MSmith had a really nice conversation starter and also pointed out what struck me immediately about Ecc as I began to read the thread, started with a green read on MSmith and I don't really recall much else sticking out during the rest of the day. maybe I'm just too sleepy to remember or maybe there's something there to look at. Here's where my original read stemmed from: McCoy has been town cheiftan so far and Baker seems to be hinting he's rather comfortable with sheeping McCoy. Looking into Baker as well, not sure how comfortable I am with him being a sheep but at least it's McCoy who is the shepherd. I'd be careful. Baker1986 might be jealous of the great polishing job you just gave to SMcCoy.(2) What I would like to know is your motivation for raising Baker as an item of discussion instead of a hot potato like JPertwee? This is exacerbated by the below. + Show Spoiler [snip] + (3) Yes, please share the JP read.So you have my thoughts based on my first quick 90-minute read through the game so far. If you want impressions on players who I haven't mentioned that I will be looking at when I return that would be swell. Looks like we're talking about JP most recently so I'll add him to my to-do list. Goodnight. | ||
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Baker1986
217 Posts
List of topics I'm willing to discuss: 1) McCoy is my hero and I love him and I want to be like him. 2) Who is scum and why is it JP? 3) Is Tom's ineptitude hilarious or sad? | ||
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SMcCoy
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Baker1986
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Baker1986
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On May 30 2013 23:42 JPertwee wrote: PTroughton is quite obviously the best lynch today because he is scum. I will consolidate on Dr. Tennant if it comes to that, because there's a distinct possibility he is scum, but I believe Troughton is caught red handed. Never did. On May 31 2013 01:29 JPertwee wrote: If Troughton flips red, I'll evaluate whether it was a bus to get the attention off of Tennant, or whether Tennant was just a townie getting off to a poor start. I'd have to wait longer to figure out what I'd do if Troughton did flip green, but to be honest at this point I don't see that happening. On May 31 2013 23:15 JPertwee wrote: McGann, I'm seriously impressed that you can call Troughton a "policy" lynch, when it's quite clearly not a policy lynch. I don't want to lynch him because he's role playing, I don't want to lynch him because he's lurking, I want to lynch him because he's scum who already tipped his hand. On May 31 2013 23:15 JPertwee wrote: I don't care about the fact that he hasn't been back to the thread since, I don't care that he was roleplaying in that post. The reason he is scum is out lined above, those show a scum mindset completely. There is no possibility of a town making that post. So those are the reasons why Troughton is a 100% through the legs 360 slam dunk lynch. Why is he a better lynch than Dr. Tennant? On May 31 2013 23:15 JPertwee wrote: Scenario 1: Dr. Tennant is town, Troughton is scum. Tennant sees the case on Troughton, is not completely convinced by it but it gets him thinking. After taking a minute to think about it, decides that the case is good enough that Troughton should be the lynch for today. The point here is that he takes the time to consider whether Troughton is right lynch for today. Scenario 2: Dr. Tennant is scum, Troughton is scum. Dr. Tennant is given the option of himself swinging, or the inactive role player on his team swinging. His first instinct is to not be commital enough to kill his scum buddy despite the case. He realizes after a few minutes that it really is going to be him or his useless teammate, so he gets on the bandwagon for credit. On May 31 2013 23:15 JPertwee wrote: I am 100% sure about Troughton being scum, but if we examine the scenario where Troughton is town and Tennant is scum, why would Tennant not immediately slap his vote down onto Troughton once the case popped up? He still took a bit of time to think about it. Because of that, if we lynch Troughton first his flip reveals things either way: If he flips scum, Tennant is still a decent lynch for the next day. If Troughton flips town, then Tennant is most likely town for not immediately hopping on and pushing the bandwagon as hard as he could. Troughton's flip is sure to both flip scum, and tell us about Tennant's alignment. While Tennant's flip would tell us nothing about Troughton's alignment, and isn't guaranteed to be flipping red. | ||
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Baker1986
217 Posts
I don't know how to properly explain this, but this confidence doesn't feel natural. This isn't the standard "Bitch please, I'm always right" attitude, he seems overly concerned with portraying this aura of confidence, which in itself looks like lack of confidence. To be slightly more clear, I think the confidence displayed in the above quotes is unnatural and fake. | ||
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Baker1986
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Baker1986
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Baker1986
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SMcCoy
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SMcCoy
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One thing is his quick switch from Davis to Eccleston along with thread sentiment. I can't assume he's going to act the same as he acted with DrT if Eccleston is scum, but would he have given up on pushing trout so quickly if Eccleston is his scumbuddy? This is a point where it's hard to predict how he would behave, but more often than not a scum would not behave twice the same in defending a scumbuddy, so he might just be bussing Eccleston without other waffling now. This is all useless reasoning if he's town though, I'll post it already for the case that we're going for the right lynch. Troughton's replacement is here now, and I want to see what JP has to say to his new posts. And to his baseless Tom townread of D1. | ||
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Baker1986
217 Posts
So I don't think what he's posting right now can lead us to much more evidence, but what we already have should be enough. It's incredibly interesting that at the time he made the big post on PT he also opened a door for the following logic PT flips town -> DrT is town. Which to me just... doesn't even begin to make sense. | ||
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A McGann
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I start the push on Davison. He jumps on as the 4th vote and labels it "without a doubt the best lynch". McCoy starts pushing back, and he jumps off the lynch with 'lol didn't read'. Push starts on Eccleston, he jumps on posting a 'case' based entirely in theory. I don't like the push on Eccleston, I posted as much at the time. ##Unvote ##Vote JPertwee I feel more confident in this now that we've had a good look at multiple people. | ||
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Baker1986
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A McGann
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Ill probably spend the next hour or so rereading D1, looking for the 3rd scum (assuming we're right on JPertwee), if anyone has any questions they want to throw my way. | ||
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