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I have some doubts about today's lynch though 
I know this much, it's not going to be Tom, but one of JP or Davis.
Here's a summary of stuff Davis did:
- Mentions JP for no reason as lynch choice, never posts anything else about him. When asked about it, he says he needs to reread. This shows he had no preconception of his own he could communicate to us, as to why JP is scum. Didn't deliver anything.
- Strange flipflop on his Hurndall read. He went from arguing he's town based on his posts and votes to suspecting he's scum for joining the DrT wagon.
- No promised case against TB4 to see yet.
- Announced DrT as possible lynch choice, tried to start wagon on Tom before lynch, didn't help us consolidate on DrT.
I suggest that among the two we lynch the dude first who posts less compared to the first cycle. Other than that JP and Davis are both the best choices, with no particular order of preference, barring any new contributions that give me a better impression on one of the two.
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Okay I'll post tonight or tomorrow.
I still think we should kill JP.
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hopefully I can read some of this at work today
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Tom, in regards to how many scum were on the Dr.Tennant wagon, I'd say a maximum of 1. The idea of both remaining scum being on Dr.Tennant (and therefore everyone not on that lynch is town) is outlandish enough that I'm willing to discount it.
I have a preference for lynching TheDavison today. At least some of what JP has been putting into the thread has been of value and interesting, what's come out of Davison... not so much. Plus he ignored my questions that I asked him on D1 - I hate it when people do that.
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I'd probably just sheep this Davison lynch too, tbh
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On June 02 2013 21:16 A McGann wrote:
The idea of both remaining scum being on Dr.Tennant (and therefore everyone not on that lynch is town) is outlandish enough that I'm willing to discount it.
dumb
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On June 01 2013 03:25 TheDavison wrote:
I don't like how TB4 is trying to defend DrT from this lynch either, his arguments for DrT being town are non-existent while his attacks on Trout seem like he fell for a modified Kenpachi trap. The role playing did not disguise Trout's motives or reads it was simply flavour. But it was odd. And scum love to attack odd things since they cannot genuinely hunt scum.
For the moment
##Unvote
##Vote: TomB4
I'm curious to see what he has to say and the rest of you are getting DrT lynched already. Time for another wagon so that the day gets interesting.
I really don't like the look of this...
I'm rereading Davison to see if I'm going to sheep him.
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I like how instead of a TomB4 case we get three posts saying "this player could have been scum but nah, I think they're townie".
Otherwise McCoy said pretty much everything there is to say.
##Vote: TheDavison
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On June 02 2013 23:54 HartnellWill wrote:
I like how instead of a TomB4 case we get three posts saying "this player could have been scum but nah, I think they're townie".
Otherwise McCoy said pretty much everything there is to say.
##Vote: TheDavison
You said you wouldn't be surprised if both Trout and DrT flipped scum.
Why are you not mentioning trout at all now.
Constantly staying under the radar makes you look pretty bad, just saying.
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On June 02 2013 22:23 Hurndall3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 21:16 A McGann wrote:
The idea of both remaining scum being on Dr.Tennant (and therefore everyone not on that lynch is town) is outlandish enough that I'm willing to discount it.
dumb
OK, which two players on the Dr.Tennant lynch are likely to be scum?
And by default, this makes PTroughton2, TheDavison and JPertwee all town. You are happy with that conclusion?
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IF there is some scum on the DrT votelist it's probably HW.
He's pretty much just coasting along.
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Could smcc or anybody else explain this point to me?
+ Show Spoiler [smcc] +On June 01 2013 19:40 SMcCoy wrote:Mind you, this is part of the defense written by JP: Show nested quote +
Dr. Tennant was handed the perfect opportunity if he were scum, I dropped the case on Troughton. Now there's only two scenarios I can really see in this case because of his reactions:
Scenario 1: Dr. Tennant is town, Troughton is scum. Tennant sees the case on Troughton, is not completely convinced by it but it gets him thinking. After taking a minute to think about it, decides that the case is good enough that Troughton should be the lynch for today. The point here is that he takes the time to consider whether Troughton is right lynch for today.
Scenario 2: Dr. Tennant is scum, Troughton is scum. Dr. Tennant is given the option of himself swinging, or the inactive role player on his team swinging. His first instinct is to not be commital enough to kill his scum buddy despite the case. He realizes after a few minutes that it really is going to be him or his useless teammate, so he gets on the bandwagon for credit.
I noticed it just now, but he argues that DrT has been thinking only after JP dropped the case, which isn't true. DrT dropped his vote 6 minutes after JP dropped his case, and JP is trying to confuse the post timings here. Here is why, it's rather simple : He doesn't care about finding arguments against DrT despite claiming that he has a decent chance of being scum, he goes through DrT's posts with the objective in mind "defend him" and this was one of the arguments he clamped onto and tried to use, but they are wrong and show that he was creating some bogus argument to defend the Dr. Imagine you are JP and drop a case and 6 minutes later DrT hops onto it with no questions, and you say he's worth the noose. How likely are you to forget what he did there? And later you write a defense on how the guy worth of the noose was so cautious with jumping on the bandwagon. Agenda, guys, agenda. JP's actions don't make sense from the perspective of a guy who would be ok with a DrT lynch, and he didn't vote for him for consolidation like he claimed he would either.
You lost me at
JP argues that DrT has been thinking only after JP dropped the case, which isn't true. DrT dropped his vote 6 minutes after JP dropped his case, and JP is trying to confuse the post timings here.
I don't understand the bolded. Did smcc just misread?
Anyway, I've been reading filters and the thread for the past two hours and my top two suspects are JP and Eccleston, not sure in which order. I'm not at all sold on Davis being scum. He might be, but there are several small things in his filter that make me think town.
I intend to explain these reads at some point this afternoon, but before I do I think I will make a post which analyses the race between PT2 and DrT yesterday. There are some important insights to be drawn there.
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On June 03 2013 04:26 MSmith1 wrote:Could smcc or anybody else explain this point to me? + Show Spoiler [smcc] +On June 01 2013 19:40 SMcCoy wrote:Mind you, this is part of the defense written by JP: Show nested quote +
Dr. Tennant was handed the perfect opportunity if he were scum, I dropped the case on Troughton. Now there's only two scenarios I can really see in this case because of his reactions:
Scenario 1: Dr. Tennant is town, Troughton is scum. Tennant sees the case on Troughton, is not completely convinced by it but it gets him thinking. After taking a minute to think about it, decides that the case is good enough that Troughton should be the lynch for today. The point here is that he takes the time to consider whether Troughton is right lynch for today.
Scenario 2: Dr. Tennant is scum, Troughton is scum. Dr. Tennant is given the option of himself swinging, or the inactive role player on his team swinging. His first instinct is to not be commital enough to kill his scum buddy despite the case. He realizes after a few minutes that it really is going to be him or his useless teammate, so he gets on the bandwagon for credit.
I noticed it just now, but he argues that DrT has been thinking only after JP dropped the case, which isn't true. DrT dropped his vote 6 minutes after JP dropped his case, and JP is trying to confuse the post timings here. Here is why, it's rather simple : He doesn't care about finding arguments against DrT despite claiming that he has a decent chance of being scum, he goes through DrT's posts with the objective in mind "defend him" and this was one of the arguments he clamped onto and tried to use, but they are wrong and show that he was creating some bogus argument to defend the Dr. Imagine you are JP and drop a case and 6 minutes later DrT hops onto it with no questions, and you say he's worth the noose. How likely are you to forget what he did there? And later you write a defense on how the guy worth of the noose was so cautious with jumping on the bandwagon. Agenda, guys, agenda. JP's actions don't make sense from the perspective of a guy who would be ok with a DrT lynch, and he didn't vote for him for consolidation like he claimed he would either. You lost me at Show nested quote +
JP argues that DrT has been thinking only after JP dropped the case, which isn't true. DrT dropped his vote 6 minutes after JP dropped his case, and JP is trying to confuse the post timings here.
I don't understand the bolded. Did smcc just misread?
Anyway, I've been reading filters and the thread for the past two hours and my top two suspects are JP and Eccleston, not sure in which order. I'm not at all sold on Davis being scum. He might be, but there are several small things in his filter that make me think town. I intend to explain these reads at some point this afternoon, but before I do I think I will make a post which analyses the race between PT2 and DrT yesterday. There are some important insights to be drawn there.
Can you explain the Eccleston read?
I want to know what you see that is scummy about him, since I came to the opposite conclusion. My last post has some of my thoughts on him, but if you haven't read it yet it might be better for you to post your thoughts and then read it.
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On June 03 2013 04:26 MSmith1 wrote:Could smcc or anybody else explain this point to me? + Show Spoiler [smcc] +On June 01 2013 19:40 SMcCoy wrote:Mind you, this is part of the defense written by JP: Show nested quote +
Dr. Tennant was handed the perfect opportunity if he were scum, I dropped the case on Troughton. Now there's only two scenarios I can really see in this case because of his reactions:
Scenario 1: Dr. Tennant is town, Troughton is scum. Tennant sees the case on Troughton, is not completely convinced by it but it gets him thinking. After taking a minute to think about it, decides that the case is good enough that Troughton should be the lynch for today. The point here is that he takes the time to consider whether Troughton is right lynch for today.
Scenario 2: Dr. Tennant is scum, Troughton is scum. Dr. Tennant is given the option of himself swinging, or the inactive role player on his team swinging. His first instinct is to not be commital enough to kill his scum buddy despite the case. He realizes after a few minutes that it really is going to be him or his useless teammate, so he gets on the bandwagon for credit.
I noticed it just now, but he argues that DrT has been thinking only after JP dropped the case, which isn't true. DrT dropped his vote 6 minutes after JP dropped his case, and JP is trying to confuse the post timings here. Here is why, it's rather simple : He doesn't care about finding arguments against DrT despite claiming that he has a decent chance of being scum, he goes through DrT's posts with the objective in mind "defend him" and this was one of the arguments he clamped onto and tried to use, but they are wrong and show that he was creating some bogus argument to defend the Dr. Imagine you are JP and drop a case and 6 minutes later DrT hops onto it with no questions, and you say he's worth the noose. How likely are you to forget what he did there? And later you write a defense on how the guy worth of the noose was so cautious with jumping on the bandwagon. Agenda, guys, agenda. JP's actions don't make sense from the perspective of a guy who would be ok with a DrT lynch, and he didn't vote for him for consolidation like he claimed he would either. You lost me at Show nested quote +
JP argues that DrT has been thinking only after JP dropped the case, which isn't true. DrT dropped his vote 6 minutes after JP dropped his case, and JP is trying to confuse the post timings here.
I don't understand the bolded. Did smcc just misread?
JP was saying that DrT took some time before voting for Throughton, and that he took some time before dropping his vote on Trout after JP dropped his case.
Instead, DrT voted 6 minutes after JP posted his case.
JP is using something that didn't happen as defense for DrT . He could try to argue that he made a mistake there, but how likely is that mistake to happen when you first claimed that DrT is also one of your suspects? This reeks of a defense wrote for the sake of defending his scumbuddy, not like a genuine one.
I think JP is currently our best bet.
##Vote Jpertwee
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JP is essentially confusing timings there.
What happened was this:
DrT asked Trout why he didn't comment on him,
Tom came in with the policy lynch request on trout,
JP dropped his case,
DrT immediately hopped on.
What JP was claiming:
That DrT took his time before hopping on the wagon after his (JP's) case was posted.
which is not true.
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On June 03 2013 04:48 SMcCoy wrote:
JP is essentially confusing timings there.
What happened was this:
DrT asked Trout why he didn't comment on him,
Tom came in with the policy lynch request on trout,
JP dropped his case,
DrT immediately hopped on.
What JP was claiming:
That DrT took his time before hopping on the wagon after his (JP's) case was posted.
which is not true.
I still don't know how you guys aren't understanding this. I will make it as clear as I possibly can, and this will be the last I speak of it.
DrT was a scum read of mine on day 1, that should be clear to everyone that's read the thread. However, Troughton has claimed scum in the thread, I would rather kill the 100% scum, and then go after the 70%. Especially with the linking circumstances in the thread.
I am not saying Dr. Tennant took his time before going after Troughton. I am saying he hesitated. We know now that Tennant is scum. He was offered a lynch on Troughton, and it took him two posts before he was willing to go after him, even though he had put a bit of suspicion on him earlier.
The whole scenario reeked of distancing from Tennant, and then the realization that there was no possible lynch that wasn't him or Troughton. If Troughton were town, there wouldn't have been that "Oh, yeah, he's scummy, but I won't vote" -> "Aw, fuck it, I'll vote him". It would've been "Oh, wow, look at this case guys. This is the real scum right here." and he would've slapped his vote down right away.
The hesitancy is his desire to stay alive finally winning out and showing him that either he dies, or his scum buddy who has done nothing but claimed scum dies. It's an easy choice from that point.
I see Davison being the one most likely to round out this list of scum. While it's possible there were scum on the wagon, I think at this point it's more likely that both the scum were not on the wagon. Davison fits the bill for the last member of the scum team, especially once you factor in that the scum team seemed to have had very little pull on the lynch.
I'm still 100% sure that Troughton needs to be lynched for us to win, and if I had my way we'd lynch him today. From the way everyone's acting I just don't see that as a possibility today.
With Troughton off the table I think Davison is without a doubt the best lynch today, and is only second to Troughton in the likelihood of being scum.
##Vote: TheDavison
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@smcc
I think you are misunderstanding. JP is claiming that 6 minutes constitutes DrT "taking his time". He talked about it more in this post.
JP was claiming that the fact that DrT did not immediately vote for Trout suggests that DrT is town if Trout is town. DrT could have voted with this post but he waited 3 more minutes. Trout was trying to argue that those 3 minutes potentially meant something.
I agree with some of the other things you've written about JP but I think that one is a non-point.
@TB4
I will explain my Eccleston read but first I'm making a post to go through all the voting yesterday, since that includes some reasoning for several of my reads.
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##vote td
jp is looking town from that last post. going with the alternate wagon. Besides I thought td looked scummy from his first post.
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DrT had no reason whatsoever to call out PTroughton for not commenting on him if he's his scumbuddy. No one even posted something against the dude at the time, I see no reason to bring attention to your scumbuddy like that for no reason.
I can almost surely exclude a DrT vs Trout bus scenario, especially considering that Trout was the only viable counterwagon for scum D1, and the most populated.
I do see now what you mean, Smith, I truly thought JP meant DrT's first comment on Trout, not his 3 minute break before voting for him. The reasoning used by JP is still bogus.
I think that out of everyone the JP lynch is still the best choice.
Arguments are:
His low posting frequency combined with his unnatural confidence plus him only talking about one or two guys he wants to lynch and barely trying to figure everyone else out. It's obvious this guy is posting with agenda, as in, his posts look like he decided to do some shit beforehand, he pulls it through, and then fucks off until he has to react to something.
He tried to deflect my attention to Eccleston earlygame when I caught DrT, disappeared, came back for an half-assed bus and tried to derail the DrT lynch.
Consider this a tl; dr version of part of the cases I will be posting to dunk this bloody alien to Alpha Centauri.
If JP himself wants me to consider another lynch choice I need more to go than what he posted there, I need reads on every other player viable for lynch we were posting about lately, for a townie trying to help reading those should be a priority. For a scum it doesn't matter, he just needs to know who he wants to lynch.
Help me snatch the second scum and ##Vote JP
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If we don't lynch JP the only guy I'll vote today will be HartnellWill,
I've grown doubts about Davis cause of this post:
On May 30 2013 23:54 TheDavison wrote:
Doc, don't you feel bad for accussing someone of "maybe not reading the thread" when you yourself are clearly not reading the thread. You 'could kill him' someone else 'has a point' you couldn't be less committal if you tried.
Baker, you are right. DocT is one scummy mother fucker.
This was right after DrT jumped onto the Trout wagon. If Davison is his scumbuddy, why would he try to disrupt the only way for DrT to save himself?
Also, I think this post is really townie, although I don't agree with his conclusion since HW also made clear he would switch onto Trout:
On June 02 2013 04:51 TheDavison wrote:
Actually this is interesting, there was a time on page 7-8 where Trout was leading in votes four to three by my count. It was at that time when HWill came in and voted DrT bringing him to four as well. While I was feeling bad on the Hwill voting I really like his timing. I think a scum coming into the thread at that time would try to push the trout lynch and, with a few reasoned arguments could probably actually sway people.
Feeling better about Hwill after that read. I'd suggest everyone go look at page 7 and 8 actually.
No Davis lynch please. I think we have a false positive here.
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