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fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 02:26 GMT
#1041
I don't want to get over-focused on SK, tbh.

Let's think about both a final scum and an SK.

I said when I unvoted that I thought scum were perfectly happy with today' lynch. That would go for an SK, too.

Where are the not-town in those bandwagons do you think?
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 02:40 GMT
#1042
Day 1

LoneMeow (1): Umasi, StiMaDDict
Skanjab1s (0): iVLosK!, Gotard
iVLosK! (0): Xzavier, Umasi
Spicydinosaur (0): Skanjab1s
Firere345 (5): Spicydinosaur, Skanjab1s, fferyllt, Gotard, iVLosK!, Skanjab1s, Xzavier
Gotard (4): Skanjab1s, Xzavier, iVLosK!, Umasi, Firere345, LoneMeow, Xzavier
StimmAddict (0): iVLosK!
Umasi (1): Onegu

Day 2

LoneMeow (6): fferyllt, StiMaDDict, Gotard, Umasi, Xzavier, SpicyDinosaur
Umasi (3): Onegu, LoneMeow, iVLosK!
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
June 11 2013 02:40 GMT
#1043
If there is an SK and if he wanted to win he would want the town/mafia ratio to balance out with one not being more powerful than the other. Otherwise he would have no shot of winning. I'll worry about an SK if we have 2 kills tonight.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 02:51 GMT
#1044
Yavanna's posts about Umasi

Questions Umasi for calling iV emotional. Sort of a pot/kettle call out.
On June 06 2013 15:22 Yavanna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 13:01 Umasi wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:58 iVLosK! wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:56 Xzavier wrote:
##vote:iVlosk!
Ill take this vote back when you defend yourself with logic over brofists

Keep it there, then. I like my brofists.

Just explain why you think what you do, why you made a preemptive excuse, and why you like your brofists. Liking brofists is BAD. Brofists are emotional. We, as town, do not want emotional. We want thought and logic.



I need a little clarification on the bolded point Umasi. You are calling iV's play emotional, yet he seems to be keeping a pretty level head in this shit storm that's started up. The only emotional vibes I'm getting are from you. Are you meaning to be contradicting?



Then compliments him for "manning up"

On June 06 2013 15:58 Yavanna wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
That's just me being a whiny emotional bitch.


I dig this a lot. Way to man up. I respect that. I can understand why he was egging you on though. It did help to start some discussion. Sorry you had to be "that guy". lol. Are you at a null read on iV? I'm really feeling him as uber town, but its so early in the game and so many people haven't posted shit its hard to have a conclusive read on anyone. Or maybe that's just my inexperience talking.


On June 06 2013 16:07 Yavanna wrote:
Ok, well town's opinion aside, go with your gut here. Besides his overall abrasive attitude and the fact that he basically poked you with a stick, what is it that gives you a scum vibe from him? I feel like if he were scum he wouldn't be so in your face with it. I could be terribly wrong though.


And this, building on some comments I made about Umasi.

On June 07 2013 05:39 Yavanna wrote:
Fferllyt

I read what you wrote on Umasi. There’s a few things I’d add after taking a closer look at his filter

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 02:13 fferyllt wrote:
His first several posts have an enthusiastic and confused newb feel. As iL mentioned (I'm not writing your name out any more because I'm lazy) his trajectory on and off his first vote was confusing. It looked like a random vote, and I don't understand why he decided to remove it so quickly unless maybe it was because nobody else was voting randomly...in which case, hmm. Maybe natural town herd movement. Maybe trying to fit in.

The early vote stuck in my mind too. It looked really self-conscious. If you are voting to raise discussion, why does it get removed as soon as someone mentions it? It looks like he had no goal at all with the early vote, as pretty much no positive discussion has been generated by it. The guides said look for both town and scum motivation behind postings, and I am having trouble seeing the town motivation behind a 5 second vote.

The rest of his votes too seem like he is playing to some agenda, not earnestly trying to lynch scummy people.

This quote too raised my eyebrows:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 12:33 Umasi wrote:
On June 06 2013 11:13 iVLosK! wrote:
Lynching lurkers isn't a strategy that I really like in a noobie game. What we'll find is that some people just signed up and fucked off, regardless of alignment. Or people who vastly underestimated the amount of time/effort they'd need to put in.

Having said that, I won't be nailed down and if I feel a lurker is scum I'll vote them in a second and you all will be like "Aww Vlosk said he doesn't like lynching lurkers in noob games!"


I don't like how you try to deflect any pressure that could come onto you, before it even comes onto you. There's no reason to feel that you're under suspicion at this point, and I think it points towards blue or scum. Or I'm reading into it to much.
At this point I'm leaning towards scum.

Pointing out the possibility of being blue doesn’t sit right with me. We are not blue-hunting. I’m worried that it’s on his mind and so easily popped out because he actually IS blue-hunting in the scum QT. What does everyone make of this?

There’s also a lot to be said for the benefit of the scum team in regards to getting into a shitfest. From the games I’ve read, it causes town to lose focus, and can be a tactic to misdirect town. It makes me nervous that he was so willing to dive in. He has since addressed it, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it cluttered the thread up at the time of the argument. Combined with the stuff you spoke about fferyl, and the stuff I pointed out, I’m very suspicious of Umasi.

If the day ended now, I’d be down with lynching him or Firere. I want to hear what both of them have to say to the accusations against them though, specifically the blue thing (Umasi)



She's down with lynching Umasi or Firere.

Umasi is almost certainly town. I can't see newb scum trying to set up a second bus with Firere already under fire.

We had two town-wagons today. :/


Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
June 11 2013 02:52 GMT
#1045
the last scum is most likely one of these people: (in rough order from most to least probable)

Usami
StiMaDDict
Onegu
iVloski (hes outfucking playing us all)


Right now im thinking Usami because he has been trying to defend himself this entire game even when nobody is directly attacking him.
Mafia :D
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 02:54 GMT
#1046
Yeah, no. I don't think it's Umasi if we're looking for scum.
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
June 11 2013 02:55 GMT
#1047
after reading hte post that was sent a minute prior to mine that i missed.

I hav no fucking clue who is scum, but that does clear Usami's name alot.

Alright.

Do we want to say who we are sure isnt scum right now? or save that until day 3? or never say that?

Somebody pls enlighten me. because i think i have it narrowed down pretty well
Mafia :D
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 02:56 GMT
#1048
Let's focus on who we think are scum for now.
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
June 11 2013 02:58 GMT
#1049
On May 15 2013 06:34 Acrofales wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [flips] +

Firere345 as the Mafia Roleblocker was lynched D1
Skanjab1s as the Town Masoner was killed N1
tE_ as the Vanilla Townie was modkilled
Yavanna as the Vanilla Townie was modkilled
LoneMeow as the Vanilla Townie was lynched D2



Why does the OP say Yavanna was Vanilla Townie?
Mafia :D
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 03:03 GMT
#1050
On June 11 2013 11:58 Xzavier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 06:34 Acrofales wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [flips] +

Firere345 as the Mafia Roleblocker was lynched D1
Skanjab1s as the Town Masoner was killed N1
tE_ as the Vanilla Townie was modkilled
Yavanna as the Vanilla Townie was modkilled
LoneMeow as the Vanilla Townie was lynched D2



Why does the OP say Yavanna was Vanilla Townie?


probably a mistake. The name is in red, which denotes mafia.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18860945

The cardflip post says Mafia Godfather.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 03:06 GMT
#1051
On June 11 2013 10:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
If we have investigative roles I think Umasi is the perfect target since he is now highest on people's list. If we can clear him/ condemn him at night, itll free up the day to look at another.


I would say forget Umasi, for investigation given Yavanna's interactions with/about him that I posted earlier.

What do you think, Spicydinosaur?
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
June 11 2013 03:10 GMT
#1052
i would say have investigative roles check Stimaddict

He called for a vigi shot on a dead person.

his day1 vote was a VT and he said he was going to vote for said VT every night until he was dead.

That warrents investigation lol
Mafia :D
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
June 11 2013 03:12 GMT
#1053
On June 11 2013 12:06 fferyllt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 10:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
If we have investigative roles I think Umasi is the perfect target since he is now highest on people's list. If we can clear him/ condemn him at night, itll free up the day to look at another.


I would say forget Umasi, for investigation given Yavanna's interactions with/about him that I posted earlier.

What do you think, Spicydinosaur?


I tend to agree given the quote you brought up though I'm hesitant to completely give him a pass since Yavanna never did actually put a vote down. Who do you think invests should focus on them?
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 03:20 GMT
#1054
On June 11 2013 12:12 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 12:06 fferyllt wrote:
On June 11 2013 10:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
If we have investigative roles I think Umasi is the perfect target since he is now highest on people's list. If we can clear him/ condemn him at night, itll free up the day to look at another.


I would say forget Umasi, for investigation given Yavanna's interactions with/about him that I posted earlier.

What do you think, Spicydinosaur?


I tend to agree given the quote you brought up though I'm hesitant to completely give him a pass since Yavanna never did actually put a vote down. Who do you think invests should focus on them?


I think her posts, which all put him in a bad light even before that final post where she built on my comments, make him a lower priority than some others.

Do you think her posts sucking up to Xzav semi-clear him as well?

She made one comment to Onagu, and that's the level of interaction that I tend to find associative, but aside from that one hellaciously defensive post he made, he hasn't pinged much.

I should look over Onagu's day 2 posts again.

I don't think she would have interacted with me at all if I hadn't written a wall to/about her.

There was a comment she made about iV as well.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 03:23 GMT
#1055
StimAddict calling out to the non-voters at the end of day 1 takes on a different color as well.
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
June 11 2013 03:24 GMT
#1056
I know im town, but if you guys want to put investigative roles on me to check, go ahead. but id rather have them searching for scum over "clearing a townie"

you said yourself were here to hunt scum right now.

And yes im town. I had an inactive day yesterday. that probably wont happen again for the rest of this game.

Onagu and Stimaddict are my prime two suspects, those are who we probably should devote our resources too, unless somebdoy has a better idea? (if so share)
Mafia :D
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
June 11 2013 03:30 GMT
#1057
On June 11 2013 12:20 fferyllt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 12:12 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On June 11 2013 12:06 fferyllt wrote:
On June 11 2013 10:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
If we have investigative roles I think Umasi is the perfect target since he is now highest on people's list. If we can clear him/ condemn him at night, itll free up the day to look at another.


I would say forget Umasi, for investigation given Yavanna's interactions with/about him that I posted earlier.

What do you think, Spicydinosaur?


I tend to agree given the quote you brought up though I'm hesitant to completely give him a pass since Yavanna never did actually put a vote down. Who do you think invests should focus on them?


I think her posts, which all put him in a bad light even before that final post where she built on my comments, make him a lower priority than some others.

Do you think her posts sucking up to Xzav semi-clear him as well?

She made one comment to Onagu, and that's the level of interaction that I tend to find associative, but aside from that one hellaciously defensive post he made, he hasn't pinged much.

I should look over Onagu's day 2 posts again.

I don't think she would have interacted with me at all if I hadn't written a wall to/about her.

There was a comment she made about iV as well.


I dont think the post sucking up to Xzav clears him. I went back through her filter and found this reply to something I said about firere... and she agrees with me.

On June 07 2013 02:34 Yavanna wrote:
Show nested quote +
@Firere345 seems to be only sheeping. He agrees with Umasi's post about iVLosK! and then asks a pointless mod question about a jester. Reading the first page of the thread tells you what roles are possible in this game and jester is NOT on it. So why ask it? A true newbie to this game would probably read that first page up and down multiple times. So far he feels pretty scummy.


I like this a lot. Spicy, you said to pressure lurkers. This is where I’d want to put some pressure. Where you at Firere? There are a couple other lurky fuckers still, but this guy shows up, randomly agrees with Umasi’s post but he never follows up, in fact he doesn’t explain anything. At all. That bugs me.



Given this I think it shows that Yavanna was spreading out her criticism to multiple people, scum included. She was openly critical of a fellow scum player, even if it was only sheeping.

I'm off to bed now and ill look more at her filter and interactions in the morning.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 11 2013 03:34 GMT
#1058
On June 11 2013 11:51 fferyllt wrote:
Yavanna's posts about Umasi

Questions Umasi for calling iV emotional. Sort of a pot/kettle call out.
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 15:22 Yavanna wrote:
On June 06 2013 13:01 Umasi wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:58 iVLosK! wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:56 Xzavier wrote:
##vote:iVlosk!
Ill take this vote back when you defend yourself with logic over brofists

Keep it there, then. I like my brofists.

Just explain why you think what you do, why you made a preemptive excuse, and why you like your brofists. Liking brofists is BAD. Brofists are emotional. We, as town, do not want emotional. We want thought and logic.



I need a little clarification on the bolded point Umasi. You are calling iV's play emotional, yet he seems to be keeping a pretty level head in this shit storm that's started up. The only emotional vibes I'm getting are from you. Are you meaning to be contradicting?



Then compliments him for "manning up"

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 15:58 Yavanna wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
That's just me being a whiny emotional bitch.


I dig this a lot. Way to man up. I respect that. I can understand why he was egging you on though. It did help to start some discussion. Sorry you had to be "that guy". lol. Are you at a null read on iV? I'm really feeling him as uber town, but its so early in the game and so many people haven't posted shit its hard to have a conclusive read on anyone. Or maybe that's just my inexperience talking.


Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 16:07 Yavanna wrote:
Ok, well town's opinion aside, go with your gut here. Besides his overall abrasive attitude and the fact that he basically poked you with a stick, what is it that gives you a scum vibe from him? I feel like if he were scum he wouldn't be so in your face with it. I could be terribly wrong though.


And this, building on some comments I made about Umasi.

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 05:39 Yavanna wrote:
Fferllyt

I read what you wrote on Umasi. There’s a few things I’d add after taking a closer look at his filter

On June 07 2013 02:13 fferyllt wrote:
His first several posts have an enthusiastic and confused newb feel. As iL mentioned (I'm not writing your name out any more because I'm lazy) his trajectory on and off his first vote was confusing. It looked like a random vote, and I don't understand why he decided to remove it so quickly unless maybe it was because nobody else was voting randomly...in which case, hmm. Maybe natural town herd movement. Maybe trying to fit in.

The early vote stuck in my mind too. It looked really self-conscious. If you are voting to raise discussion, why does it get removed as soon as someone mentions it? It looks like he had no goal at all with the early vote, as pretty much no positive discussion has been generated by it. The guides said look for both town and scum motivation behind postings, and I am having trouble seeing the town motivation behind a 5 second vote.

The rest of his votes too seem like he is playing to some agenda, not earnestly trying to lynch scummy people.

This quote too raised my eyebrows:
On June 06 2013 12:33 Umasi wrote:
On June 06 2013 11:13 iVLosK! wrote:
Lynching lurkers isn't a strategy that I really like in a noobie game. What we'll find is that some people just signed up and fucked off, regardless of alignment. Or people who vastly underestimated the amount of time/effort they'd need to put in.

Having said that, I won't be nailed down and if I feel a lurker is scum I'll vote them in a second and you all will be like "Aww Vlosk said he doesn't like lynching lurkers in noob games!"


I don't like how you try to deflect any pressure that could come onto you, before it even comes onto you. There's no reason to feel that you're under suspicion at this point, and I think it points towards blue or scum. Or I'm reading into it to much.
At this point I'm leaning towards scum.

Pointing out the possibility of being blue doesn’t sit right with me. We are not blue-hunting. I’m worried that it’s on his mind and so easily popped out because he actually IS blue-hunting in the scum QT. What does everyone make of this?

There’s also a lot to be said for the benefit of the scum team in regards to getting into a shitfest. From the games I’ve read, it causes town to lose focus, and can be a tactic to misdirect town. It makes me nervous that he was so willing to dive in. He has since addressed it, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it cluttered the thread up at the time of the argument. Combined with the stuff you spoke about fferyl, and the stuff I pointed out, I’m very suspicious of Umasi.

If the day ended now, I’d be down with lynching him or Firere. I want to hear what both of them have to say to the accusations against them though, specifically the blue thing (Umasi)



She's down with lynching Umasi or Firere.

Umasi is almost certainly town. I can't see newb scum trying to set up a second bus with Firere already under fire.

We had two town-wagons today. :/





I dont see how this clears umasi, yavannas posts could just be looking at who were the most likely people to be lynch at the time. This was so early before votes came in it doesnt mean much imo. Looking at his votes he has voted one dead townie and most likely another in gotard. His posts get more and more scummy also. And his defense is Im going to play how I want not giving much defense at all.
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fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 03:50 GMT
#1059
Clearing townies who aren't top scum suspects is not a good use of whatever blue roles town has.

Can you either go over your reasons for suspecting Onagu or post a link or quote to something you've already written? The # link at the top right corner of posts is a link to that specific post.
fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 11 2013 03:52 GMT
#1060
my previous post was to Xzav.
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