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On June 11 2013 23:00 iVLosK! wrote: Why ask me about Xzavier and Stimm when my thought on them are already on this exact page?
I said after day 2 actions not last 24-36 hours, and I see a small 1 liner on xzav on this page but nothing on stim, just asking if anything has changed, mostly on umasi though.
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i'm really clueless who is who now. I guess it's time to reread everything twice
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On June 07 2013 14:28 Firere345 wrote: sorry for it being over 24 hours since my last post. I went to sleep right after my last post and have spent all my free time catching up today(which wasn't much). Fortunately, tonight was my last night of having prior commitments, so I will be much more active.
To meow, who asked my opinion of Vlosk a few pages back, he's obv not my top scum read atm, but engaging shitfests isn't the towniest thing to do. As for my current reads, though, Xzav is the only one who would make me really surprize dto flip scum. Umasi and Gotard don't have any defense against their accusations, so I find it hard to not be biased by thecurrent town consensus. Gut says both bad, Umasi town, Gotard maf, if only for lynching the one guy who we all should agree is mister town.
As for the jester question, the forum I used to play on was very inconsistent. The OP would only state basic roles, yet there would end up being bus drivers or phychics as flips, so I just wanted to make sure that Jest was not a role and that we wouldn't give up a day 1 loss to a jester.
Ok, so the common threads among Yavanna's posts and Firere's posts
- iV - both are more or less neutral
- Umasi - Ferere says "town bad" and Yavanna exchanges a few posts and then agrees/builds on my observations.
I'm not sure there's something meaningful in this. Just poking around in the data.
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Here are some thoughts on Onegu.
Onegu and Yavanna have this conversation early in the game
On June 06 2013 23:15 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote:On June 06 2013 21:55 Onegu wrote: Skanjab what is your biggest problem with spicydino is he has had good post on the lurker issue, I am getting a town vibe from him. The strongest read I have is on iVlosk as town t this point, but a wish he would curse less. xzav is also giving me a very strong town vibe. Umasi is my only scummy read as he fueled the iV rant even after it most likely should have been moved on from it. Also the whole brocuff thing. Also what are your guys thought on finding a serial killer? Could you explain this a little further to me? Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town. I got more of a bruised ego vibe than anything. I'm open to discussion on it though. Can you add anything to your case that might sway me? In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts? Ok 2 things the first he kept the iV thing going on alot lomger than it needed to be. Secomd and the thing that made me feel the most was he would make a statement and when the majority had different ideals he would conform to them. This is what feels like he is scum.
Yavanna seems to be wanting to get Onegu to explain his posts more in a very odd fashion.
In this next quote, Onegu down plays my criticism of firere by saying its just noobish.
On June 07 2013 21:54 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 21:39 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 07 2013 14:28 Firere345 wrote: sorry for it being over 24 hours since my last post. I went to sleep right after my last post and have spent all my free time catching up today(which wasn't much). Fortunately, tonight was my last night of having prior commitments, so I will be much more active.
To meow, who asked my opinion of Vlosk a few pages back, he's obv not my top scum read atm, but engaging shitfests isn't the towniest thing to do. As for my current reads, though, Xzav is the only one who would make me really surprize dto flip scum. Umasi and Gotard don't have any defense against their accusations, so I find it hard to not be biased by thecurrent town consensus. Gut says both bad, Umasi town, Gotard maf, if only for lynching the one guy who we all should agree is mister town.
As for the jester question, the forum I used to play on was very inconsistent. The OP would only state basic roles, yet there would end up being bus drivers or phychics as flips, so I just wanted to make sure that Jest was not a role and that we wouldn't give up a day 1 loss to a jester. So scummy. Makes excuses for his absence, then promises more analysis that never came and simply sheeps other's opinion. Vote is staying on him. I would really like to hear from him also to see if he really was absent or just lurking. But lets be honest alot of people are sheeping, I think that is just noobish at this point. The thing I have been looking at is offering a thought on someone then sheeping once a majority is on someone else.
This next quote is Onegu down playing fferyllt's criticism of Yavanna.
On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing.
The last two quotes I think are far more important than the interaction with Yavanna as she was trying to be friendly with everyone. The subtle defense of two non confirmed scum has me questioning whether his vote for Umasi was just to put a vote on someone else so he wouldnt look suspicious on the wagon.
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Hm.
That reminds me. Onegu jumped on one of my objectively scummy looking posts on day 1, but didn't really follow-through and keep pushing. Let me find the posts related to that.
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EBWOP: The last two quotes I think are far more important than the interaction with Yavanna as she was trying to be friendly with everyone. The subtle defense of two now confirmed scum has me questioning whether his vote for Umasi was just to put a vote on someone else so he wouldnt look suspicious on the wagon.
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It did seem noobish at the time he wasnt the only one doing it, lonemeow, gotard and umasi were all doing the same thing. And I didnt think scum would make very strong reads at the time.
To me the only post that really scummy on firere part was the post he sheeps xzaviers idea and puts his vote on Gotard. And I was asleep at the time, I had a null read before that so I put my vote on my highest scum read.
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And if you want to look at someone defending firere and yavanna look at xzavier filter.
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On June 07 2013 16:38 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 16:25 LoneMeow wrote:Good morning, and sorry for being a bit inactive yesterday, had a rather exciting day IRL. On June 07 2013 10:14 fferyllt wrote:On June 06 2013 15:15 LoneMeow wrote:On June 06 2013 14:59 Umasi wrote: iVLosK, I think you are scum.
Why? Make a case if you have a good read. I'm tempted to disagree though. Yes, iVLosK! is somewhat abrasive and irritating with his attitude, but that's not really alignment indicative. Tempted. What is your read on iV? Leaning slightly on town. Sure, he is somewhat abrasive but he was actively driving discussion. Definitely not a top lynch candidate for me right now. On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote: In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts? I was thinking of pushing you a bit after this, because when you posted this you hadn't stated any real opinions of your own besides sucking up to Xzavier, however your later posts are better so I'm okay with it for now. On June 07 2013 15:14 fferyllt wrote: There is a player who hasn't looked paranoid at all, though. And that in a newb sets off a few alarms.
I'd like to know if you think someone fits that description or if I'm making mountains from molehills. This I don't like at all. Looks a lot like trying to fish for an opinion to sheep on when you don't state who you actually suspect, and that I find rather scummy. I think you are right with the last part say who are what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas.
Lonemeow picked up on it. Onegu agreed.
Followed with this:
On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas.
I give my explanation, and he drops the scum-tell aspect and reacts to my concerns about Yavanna
On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing.
In the next exchange, I opened the door and invited him to go after me. He didn't.
On June 07 2013 23:03 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:51 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 22:42 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 22:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing. Onegu I want to pick your brain on something. It seems that fferyllt's problem with Yavannah is that her posts are full of confidence on reads and since this is a newbie game, then that could be only because she's mafia. If that is fferyllt's line of thinking, I believe it shows that fferyllt is town because she is not confident in her reads. What do you think? I dont have a problem with someone not being confident in thier reads, what I have a problem with is when someone makes a read then when they see something else they drop thier read and sheep the majority. Are you saying that I'm doing this? No I am not saying you are doing this you have kept to your read and not just jump on gotard. If you jump ship without good reason and just say xzav is doing so Ill drop it.
He later said he was leaning town on me because I voted Firere rather than sheeping (I think he meant that Gotard looked like a more likely lynch based on thread sentiment at the time).
This isn't really conclusive. I think my body of work at that point was pretty townish, and one post setting off an alarm probably didn't weigh nearly as much.
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On June 12 2013 03:12 Onegu wrote: And if you want to look at someone defending firere and yavanna look at xzavier filter.
I'm looking at everyone. You just happened to be the first and I posted some things I thought were relevant. You too can post their quotes defending them... fferyllt and I shouldn't be the only ones filter diving.
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On June 12 2013 03:14 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 16:38 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 16:25 LoneMeow wrote:Good morning, and sorry for being a bit inactive yesterday, had a rather exciting day IRL. On June 07 2013 10:14 fferyllt wrote:On June 06 2013 15:15 LoneMeow wrote:On June 06 2013 14:59 Umasi wrote: iVLosK, I think you are scum.
Why? Make a case if you have a good read. I'm tempted to disagree though. Yes, iVLosK! is somewhat abrasive and irritating with his attitude, but that's not really alignment indicative. Tempted. What is your read on iV? Leaning slightly on town. Sure, he is somewhat abrasive but he was actively driving discussion. Definitely not a top lynch candidate for me right now. On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote: In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts? I was thinking of pushing you a bit after this, because when you posted this you hadn't stated any real opinions of your own besides sucking up to Xzavier, however your later posts are better so I'm okay with it for now. On June 07 2013 15:14 fferyllt wrote: There is a player who hasn't looked paranoid at all, though. And that in a newb sets off a few alarms.
I'd like to know if you think someone fits that description or if I'm making mountains from molehills. This I don't like at all. Looks a lot like trying to fish for an opinion to sheep on when you don't state who you actually suspect, and that I find rather scummy. I think you are right with the last part say who are what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. Lonemeow picked up on it. Onegu agreed. Followed with this: Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. I give my explanation, and he drops the scum-tell aspect and reacts to my concerns about Yavanna Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing. In the next exchange, I opened the door and invited him to go after me. He didn't. Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 23:03 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 22:51 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 22:42 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 22:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing. Onegu I want to pick your brain on something. It seems that fferyllt's problem with Yavannah is that her posts are full of confidence on reads and since this is a newbie game, then that could be only because she's mafia. If that is fferyllt's line of thinking, I believe it shows that fferyllt is town because she is not confident in her reads. What do you think? I dont have a problem with someone not being confident in thier reads, what I have a problem with is when someone makes a read then when they see something else they drop thier read and sheep the majority. Are you saying that I'm doing this? No I am not saying you are doing this you have kept to your read and not just jump on gotard. If you jump ship without good reason and just say xzav is doing so Ill drop it. He later said he was leaning town on me because I voted Firere rather than sheeping (I think he meant that Gotard looked like a more likely lynch based on thread sentiment at the time). This isn't really conclusive. I think my body of work at that point was pretty townish, and one post setting off an alarm probably didn't weigh nearly as much. I dropped it because you posted your thoughts and said what you were thinking.
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And I had always intended to do that.
I was looking for independent confirmation. I can see why it looked like fishing, but one of the ways I town-hunt is by testing to see if other players see what I see and interpret it the way I interpret it. I wasn't getting enough of that kind of confirmation by passively waiting for it to happen.
The flip side, is that if someone's reply looks really off-the-wall to me, then either I missed something (which is quite possible) or what they are seeing in-thread is quite different, and that could be because their motivations are quite different.
Win condition plus personal goals drives motivation. Motivation plus role drives in-thread behavior.
Scumhunting and townhunting basically reverse engineer that progression. For me, anyway.
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On June 08 2013 02:05 Xzavier wrote: im okay with lynching either one of them today. Firere or gotard.
i have work from 2-8 today (i leave 30 min from now) so im not gonna b able to make lengthy posts, i can explain the reasoning for my vote (if i do switch it)
but right now if gotard isnt mafia, he needs to grow a pair. He made his first constructive post, then didnt even vote for the most scummy person on his list? or one of the current possible bandwagons. Thats weird to me.
but since he has appeared like hes slowly but surely posting more (however scumlike it is) it means we can kill him later if need be on even stronger evidence.
yavannah is newbie as fuck. probably harmless town. wouldnt hurt for her to post more.
iV is troll-town(probably VT)
spicey dinosoar is somebody i was suspicious of for a good amount, but idk. not much he has said makes me think scum. and what he says makes logical sense, thats more than i can say about half of this thread T.T
skanjab isnt on any of my lists, he puts thought into his actions, and i think there are much better people to lynch right now. and i havnt actually looked at his filter yet.
Ok here is the first yavanna post.
Fuck me. sry gotard. i feel bad about this. you woke up at 5 am to respond to me##unvote##vote gotardthe claim on firere is weak. im going with my gut and my case.I really want to look into lonemeow tomorrow
I dont think either case is ironclad. but i think mine agsinst gotard is much stronger than firere.
And the the firere posts as he flips onto then off of him again.
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Will be sleeping in a half hour or so most likely wont be up until night actions are in.
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Day 3 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ebjjMwr.jpg)
When the non-soops woke up just to see LoneMeow's vampire guts splattered all over the pavement, they cheered. Life was good if the soops were already at each others' throats! So they kicked back and went to work.
Late in the afternoon Seth Gecko and his posse rode into town, looking to have a good time.
"Well, we got a bar over there, filled with crazy soops. Want to wreak some mayhem?"
The posse rumbled and grumbled, a voice from the back chimed in: "Let's just get wasted!"
Many drinks were had and a sexy show was watched, but everybody behaved themselves, and as dusk rolled around the humans went to bed and soops came out to play.
Nothing happened.
It is now day 3. Don't forget to ##vote! The deadline is at [unparsable timestamp format] (in [unparsable timestamp format])
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Ok so this means scum were not active last night or targeted someone protected by a blue right?
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Interesting.
I think it's time for town to do a mass claim.
If we do it, I'm going last.
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Well either the jail keeper protected the right person from attack or they jailed the attacker.
Also I think we can rule out SK at this point.
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There are other possibilities.
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