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On June 10 2013 03:36 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 07:34 StiMaDDict wrote:Since the deadline is very close I will make this request short and clear. LoneMeow is a mafia. Kill him tonight if you are Vigilante. We have a solid case against him and his interaction with Firere345 (proven scum) further indicate that he is up to no good. I'm not sure whether he is afk or something but he is not even defending himself even though he is in a tight spot. Also he only made these two posts which in my opinion is contentless and weak. On June 08 2013 14:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Good morning, and good job on the lynch. I'll need a while to read everything that has happened but if anyone's here feel free to ask what's on your mind in the meanwhile. On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.
Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town. Just a quick question on this? Why ask for a vig kill on him so strongly, i find this quite scummy actually. I am not sure the case is so solid either, people said the samething on gotard and that didnt really turn out so well. Unless the case is a complete slamdunk I dont believe the vig should kill definitely not the first night.
But why would be do that as mafia? If you do things like that and person that you request to kill turns out to be town you are in really bad position next day.
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On June 10 2013 05:49 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 03:36 Onegu wrote:On June 09 2013 07:34 StiMaDDict wrote:Since the deadline is very close I will make this request short and clear. LoneMeow is a mafia. Kill him tonight if you are Vigilante. We have a solid case against him and his interaction with Firere345 (proven scum) further indicate that he is up to no good. I'm not sure whether he is afk or something but he is not even defending himself even though he is in a tight spot. Also he only made these two posts which in my opinion is contentless and weak. On June 08 2013 14:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Good morning, and good job on the lynch. I'll need a while to read everything that has happened but if anyone's here feel free to ask what's on your mind in the meanwhile. On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.
Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town. Just a quick question on this? Why ask for a vig kill on him so strongly, i find this quite scummy actually. I am not sure the case is so solid either, people said the samething on gotard and that didnt really turn out so well. Unless the case is a complete slamdunk I dont believe the vig should kill definitely not the first night. But why would be do that as mafia? If you do things like that and person that you request to kill turns out to be town you are in really bad position next day.
Hypothetically its an easy way to kill a townie. Say LoneMeow was shot last night and flipped town. There would be some back lash against the one who said to pull the trigger but the defense would be "he looked so scummy everyone was on him." Then the vig will probably reveal himself to confirm himself as town. You have a little chaos and some suspicion on you but u gain a decent amount.
I dont think this was scum motivated though.
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On June 10 2013 05:57 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 05:49 Gotard wrote:On June 10 2013 03:36 Onegu wrote:On June 09 2013 07:34 StiMaDDict wrote:Since the deadline is very close I will make this request short and clear. LoneMeow is a mafia. Kill him tonight if you are Vigilante. We have a solid case against him and his interaction with Firere345 (proven scum) further indicate that he is up to no good. I'm not sure whether he is afk or something but he is not even defending himself even though he is in a tight spot. Also he only made these two posts which in my opinion is contentless and weak. On June 08 2013 14:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Good morning, and good job on the lynch. I'll need a while to read everything that has happened but if anyone's here feel free to ask what's on your mind in the meanwhile. On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.
Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town. Just a quick question on this? Why ask for a vig kill on him so strongly, i find this quite scummy actually. I am not sure the case is so solid either, people said the samething on gotard and that didnt really turn out so well. Unless the case is a complete slamdunk I dont believe the vig should kill definitely not the first night. But why would be do that as mafia? If you do things like that and person that you request to kill turns out to be town you are in really bad position next day. Hypothetically its an easy way to kill a townie. Say LoneMeow was shot last night and flipped town. There would be some back lash against the one who said to pull the trigger but the defense would be "he looked so scummy everyone was on him." Then the vig will probably reveal himself to confirm himself as town. You have a little chaos and some suspicion on you but u gain a decent amount. I dont think this was scum motivated though.
There are a few other things that worry me a little about StimAddict. I touched on them in my wall.
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On June 10 2013 06:00 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 05:57 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 10 2013 05:49 Gotard wrote:On June 10 2013 03:36 Onegu wrote:On June 09 2013 07:34 StiMaDDict wrote:Since the deadline is very close I will make this request short and clear. LoneMeow is a mafia. Kill him tonight if you are Vigilante. We have a solid case against him and his interaction with Firere345 (proven scum) further indicate that he is up to no good. I'm not sure whether he is afk or something but he is not even defending himself even though he is in a tight spot. Also he only made these two posts which in my opinion is contentless and weak. On June 08 2013 14:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Good morning, and good job on the lynch. I'll need a while to read everything that has happened but if anyone's here feel free to ask what's on your mind in the meanwhile. On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.
Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town. Just a quick question on this? Why ask for a vig kill on him so strongly, i find this quite scummy actually. I am not sure the case is so solid either, people said the samething on gotard and that didnt really turn out so well. Unless the case is a complete slamdunk I dont believe the vig should kill definitely not the first night. But why would be do that as mafia? If you do things like that and person that you request to kill turns out to be town you are in really bad position next day. Hypothetically its an easy way to kill a townie. Say LoneMeow was shot last night and flipped town. There would be some back lash against the one who said to pull the trigger but the defense would be "he looked so scummy everyone was on him." Then the vig will probably reveal himself to confirm himself as town. You have a little chaos and some suspicion on you but u gain a decent amount. I dont think this was scum motivated though. There are a few other things that worry me a little about StimAddict. I touched on them in my wall.
At this point I want to see him expand his scum hunting beyond Lone. Like you said he has been only tunnelling Lone which does explain his solo vote for him. The whole issue with TE and Yavanna is something I was concerned about as well, he just posted about it, so I'm not too worried about that.
Now heres a thought with Stim being scum. Stim intentionally doesn't post for DAYS then at the end posts a decent analysis of LoneMeow, perhaps to get votes off of Firere. Then when it looks like firere is being lynched, it wouldnt matter if Stim moved his vote onto Gotard since Firere wins the tiebreaker. That scenario just doesnt make a whole lotta sense to me though. I feel if he were scum he would be pushing others at the time to try and vote Lone. Instead he only responded when Lone himself was posting.
This quote if his i find quite interesting which was in the spoiler section of his post though I'm not exactly sure what to make of it.
On June 08 2013 08:39 StiMaDDict wrote:
My vote is not changing from LoneMeow until he is lynched or I die from mafia, but if Gotard flips town and Firere345 is scum, I'm fucking killing this cat!
His action on a whole just doesn't feel scummy enough to me. Reads more like someone who dropped into the middle of the game, did a filter or two, found one that he can argue for, and drilled it into the ground.
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On June 10 2013 01:56 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Ok caught up on the reading and here are some thoughts.
1. I want to see the complete mason logs between skanjab1 and iVLosK! as a partial reveal just feels a bit suspicious.
2. (speculation) Skan was probably killed because scum feared that the more vocal townies were protected at night. Or Vlosk is uber pro scum and had me fooled (hope not).
3. We only had 1 night kill so there is less likely a chance of an sk. If a jailor was on someone last night I would say keep up the roleblock just to be safe.
4. No vigi kill can mean a few things... either we don't have a vig, the vig didn't want to shoot, or they are unable to shoot till night 2.
5. Yavanna needs to speak up a lot today and the fact she didn't vote is quite troubling (as is the fact she is still alive).
6. As for lone... I want to see more of his posts before I throw a vote on him. Also Lone... who are your scum reads atm.
That's a nice summary post you've got there. Sums up the thread with observations and calls for others to act, but doesn't say much. Did your scum coach teach you to do that? 
Also, you're not getting the full mason logs. You're getting what I decide is appropriate to share with the general populace. Don't particularly care what you think is suspicious.
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I go to sleep. See you tomorrow. I don't see mafia getting a lot of benefit from StiMaDDicT's post. Unfortunately I Don't have time now to check this right now but did he was the one who started accusing LoneMeow or he joined someone else's bandwagon?
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He sidelined his vote even though the competing bandwagons came down to 1 vote. If he had voted Gotard, Firere would still have been the lynch because he got to 5 first.
He's not at the top of my scumpile by any means. The stuff that bothers me about him have more to do with his lack of effect on the outcome of day 1. Pleading with invisible and probably non-present lurkers. Sidelined vote in bandwagon race where nearly all players took a stand one way or another about the 2 main bandwagons.
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I get off work in a little more than 2 hours. Expect mason logs to hit the thread in about 3.
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On June 10 2013 06:26 iVLosK! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 01:56 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Ok caught up on the reading and here are some thoughts.
1. I want to see the complete mason logs between skanjab1 and iVLosK! as a partial reveal just feels a bit suspicious.
2. (speculation) Skan was probably killed because scum feared that the more vocal townies were protected at night. Or Vlosk is uber pro scum and had me fooled (hope not).
3. We only had 1 night kill so there is less likely a chance of an sk. If a jailor was on someone last night I would say keep up the roleblock just to be safe.
4. No vigi kill can mean a few things... either we don't have a vig, the vig didn't want to shoot, or they are unable to shoot till night 2.
5. Yavanna needs to speak up a lot today and the fact she didn't vote is quite troubling (as is the fact she is still alive).
6. As for lone... I want to see more of his posts before I throw a vote on him. Also Lone... who are your scum reads atm. That's a nice summary post you've got there. Sums up the thread with observations and calls for others to act, but doesn't say much. Did your scum coach teach you to do that? Also, you're not getting the full mason logs. You're getting what I decide is appropriate to share with the general populace. Don't particularly care what you think is suspicious.
Unless you think I bussed firere from the beginning your statement is quite silly. Oh and you care... you hide it under your tough exterior... but i know you care!
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On June 09 2013 07:00 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 06:28 Umasi wrote:On June 07 2013 20:59 LoneMeow wrote:On June 07 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:
Lonemeow what is your strongest scum read at this point? I would also ask yavanna the same thing. It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so. This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash. Just food for thought, but if this is before people truly looked into Firere as a lynch candidate and "merely someone scummy", why would Lonemeow as scum talk about him as his strongest scum read? I don't think it was an attempt to build town cred/bus/whatever the term is, because the wagon hadn't even really started. That said, it really was just slipped in there, and he didn't assert it at all, but it really throws off my read on him, which was "probably scum". Well scum have to interact with each other and that sometimes includes throwing suspicion around just to mess with you. Lone says he has a scum read on firere but doesnt vote him. If Lone actually put his vote on firere then we would be having a different conversation as voting is a stronger indication of what you are believing than just saying someone is scum. Y ou also point out correctly that a bussing hadn't started yet on firere, so it would be safe for Lone to say he was suspicious of firere without any really worries that he would be lynched. He could then go back later and say "hey look I was right." He only voted Gotard way later when firere had a ton of votes on him. The town cred build up was for later, not immediate cash-in. Personally I'm still not sure on Lone but then being scum buddies makes sense with what i just written.
A bussing hadn't started yet on Firere? When do you think he was bussed?
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On June 10 2013 08:36 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 07:00 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 09 2013 06:28 Umasi wrote:On June 07 2013 20:59 LoneMeow wrote:On June 07 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:
Lonemeow what is your strongest scum read at this point? I would also ask yavanna the same thing. It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so. This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash. Just food for thought, but if this is before people truly looked into Firere as a lynch candidate and "merely someone scummy", why would Lonemeow as scum talk about him as his strongest scum read? I don't think it was an attempt to build town cred/bus/whatever the term is, because the wagon hadn't even really started. That said, it really was just slipped in there, and he didn't assert it at all, but it really throws off my read on him, which was "probably scum". Well scum have to interact with each other and that sometimes includes throwing suspicion around just to mess with you. Lone says he has a scum read on firere but doesnt vote him. If Lone actually put his vote on firere then we would be having a different conversation as voting is a stronger indication of what you are believing than just saying someone is scum. Y ou also point out correctly that a bussing hadn't started yet on firere, so it would be safe for Lone to say he was suspicious of firere without any really worries that he would be lynched. He could then go back later and say "hey look I was right." He only voted Gotard way later when firere had a ton of votes on him. The town cred build up was for later, not immediate cash-in. Personally I'm still not sure on Lone but then being scum buddies makes sense with what i just written. A bussing hadn't started yet on Firere? When do you think he was bussed?
bad choice of words on my part, meant the piling on.
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SpicyDinosaur, could you give a short rundown of your current scumpile? Who's in it. Who's your top pick, Why?
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On June 10 2013 08:46 fferyllt wrote:
SpicyDinosaur, could you give a short rundown of your current scumpile? Who's in it. Who's your top pick, Why?
My D2 reads so far aren't as strong as my D1 ones were. As of right now there's noone I feel strongly about to put my vote on... yet. I do think there were at least 2 scum on Gotard last vote given one of their buddies was on the line. As for the candidates....
LoneMeow for reasons already stated, but also because I really really really hate when people write this... it feels so scummy and reminds me of Firere's excuses.
On June 07 2013 16:25 LoneMeow wrote:
Good morning, and sorry for being a bit inactive yesterday, had a rather exciting day IRL.
Yavanna is also close to the top but for a different reasons that I'm not sure I can post.
Umasi is troubling as well. He has no reads D2 except for commenting a little bit on Lone. I also brought up Umasi's interaction with firere in a previous post, but it basically came down to Umasi giving firere a pass while admitting he had 0 content.
Going to do some more filter diving so hopefully something pops up.
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We're pretty much on the same page. I have StimAddict hovering close to my scumpile.
Umasi is troubling but his high visibility makes it difficult for me to accept that he's scum.
I'd probably compromise on Yavanna, but right now I want to lynch LoneMeow.
Xzav's posture has changed significantly, but he's still leaning town IMO.
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You may talk privately until the night is over. #2: HEY VAN!! #3: TWEEK #6: Okay, thanks to my late-night we only have 12 hours to talk. I'm going to be at work but I'll do my best to pop in when I can, definitely during my lunch.
I'm trying to have some of these noob scum feel the heat get turned up. They just lost a PR and I'm telling them that if they voted wrong they need to step into my office, further pressuring Onegu. They should feel chased and this might be to our advantage.
Ok. I haven't yet looked over the posts from after I left for the wedding. But just from the vote-count, it doesn't look like a whole bunch of scummies jumped on their teammate at the last second for town cred. Most of what I remember seeing we're the same people who were voting him before I left. That means, that for me, the first place to look is on our non-firere voters. I'm not going to be like fucking Xzavier and say its impossible he was bussed, but it was close enough all day that the only way that makes a whole lot of sense is maybe the last 1 or 2 people to jump on firere could be suspicious.
So those are most of my thoughts on the voting, I think. #8. Basically Gotard voters now need to be looked at under a fucking microscope. #10, 11, 12. Yeah, I think that LoneMeow looks the most scummy at the moment, because for most of the day he was saying how what Gotard did was too brash to be scum, and how he wants to lynch Firere, but then when it came down to the time when the votes were super close, he suddenly changed his opinion for very little reason
I also dont know wtf Onegu is doing, really.
Oh yeah, I can also choose you to talk to again for the next day cycle, but I dont know if Imma do that yet, I don't really know how to play this role to be honest. #13. Yeah I read your case on LM. He's a decent D2.
Why did Xzavier switch from firere to Gotard?
And my thought on Onegu are that he would have at least tried to save a teammate by voting Gotard, wasting his vote on Umasi doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective. #14. Xzavier was on Gotard for most of the day, but then he apparently thought that what Gotard was doing was too retarded to be scum, but then he quickly changed his mind back to Gotard after like, 5 minutes.
he said this: "the claim on firere is weak. im going with my gut and my case."
I dont like how he keeps saying that he is obv town and conftown, because he really isnt, and most of the noobs just seem to be assuming that he is 100% town. #15. Onegu and Umasi are both coming off as noobtown to me. But Umasi less so, I had initially thought he was very noobtown, but the more he posts the less I think it. He also seems very very defensive, whenever anyone questions him he tries really hard to get them to not suspect him. #16. Yeah he[Xzavier] is absolutely not confirmed. Bothers me too. #17. Oh yeah, there might be a scum masoner too, so if you get masoned by anyone else you must claim it in the thread!
Woo #22. Also the whole reason he[Xzavier] made a case on gotard and voted him was an OMGUS, rofl. #25. Exactly how many prize money's do I get if we win this?
Enough for boats and hoes? #26. The Nina, The Pinta, The Santa Maria, I'll do ya in the bottom, while yer drinking San Grea. Nachos, Lemonheads, and my dad's boat, you wont go down cause my dick can float.
BOATS N HOES BOATS N HOES I GOTTA HAVE ME MY BOATS N HOES #28. Uh, we are pretty much on the same page so far, should I talk to you again tomorrow or should I choose someone else? #31. [green]VAAAAAAAAAANS GOT FAAAAAAAANS #31 was the final message of the log.
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Interesting. Common themes are emerging I think.
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Is everyone suffering from day 1 burnout or something?
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On June 10 2013 09:54 iVLosK! wrote:THE + Show Spoiler + MASON CHAT, + Show Spoiler + ABRIDGED: Blue= iVLosK! = SkanjabUnderlined== Hosts #x: Post number + Show Spoiler +#1: Quick topic for Skanjab1s and iVLosk!
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You may talk privately until the night is over. #2: HEY VAN!! #3: TWEEK #6: Okay, thanks to my late-night we only have 12 hours to talk. I'm going to be at work but I'll do my best to pop in when I can, definitely during my lunch.
I'm trying to have some of these noob scum feel the heat get turned up. They just lost a PR and I'm telling them that if they voted wrong they need to step into my office, further pressuring Onegu. They should feel chased and this might be to our advantage.
Ok. I haven't yet looked over the posts from after I left for the wedding. But just from the vote-count, it doesn't look like a whole bunch of scummies jumped on their teammate at the last second for town cred. Most of what I remember seeing we're the same people who were voting him before I left. That means, that for me, the first place to look is on our non-firere voters. I'm not going to be like fucking Xzavier and say its impossible he was bussed, but it was close enough all day that the only way that makes a whole lot of sense is maybe the last 1 or 2 people to jump on firere could be suspicious.
So those are most of my thoughts on the voting, I think. #8. Basically Gotard voters now need to be looked at under a fucking microscope. #10, 11, 12. Yeah, I think that LoneMeow looks the most scummy at the moment, because for most of the day he was saying how what Gotard did was too brash to be scum, and how he wants to lynch Firere, but then when it came down to the time when the votes were super close, he suddenly changed his opinion for very little reason
I also dont know wtf Onegu is doing, really.
Oh yeah, I can also choose you to talk to again for the next day cycle, but I dont know if Imma do that yet, I don't really know how to play this role to be honest. #13. Yeah I read your case on LM. He's a decent D2.
Why did Xzavier switch from firere to Gotard?
And my thought on Onegu are that he would have at least tried to save a teammate by voting Gotard, wasting his vote on Umasi doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective. #14. Xzavier was on Gotard for most of the day, but then he apparently thought that what Gotard was doing was too retarded to be scum, but then he quickly changed his mind back to Gotard after like, 5 minutes.
he said this: "the claim on firere is weak. im going with my gut and my case."
I dont like how he keeps saying that he is obv town and conftown, because he really isnt, and most of the noobs just seem to be assuming that he is 100% town. #15. Onegu and Umasi are both coming off as noobtown to me. But Umasi less so, I had initially thought he was very noobtown, but the more he posts the less I think it. He also seems very very defensive, whenever anyone questions him he tries really hard to get them to not suspect him. #16. Yeah he[Xzavier] is absolutely not confirmed. Bothers me too. #17. Oh yeah, there might be a scum masoner too, so if you get masoned by anyone else you must claim it in the thread!
Woo #22. Also the whole reason he[Xzavier] made a case on gotard and voted him was an OMGUS, rofl.
#25. Exactly how many prize money's do I get if we win this?
Enough for boats and hoes?
#26. The Nina, The Pinta, The Santa Maria, I'll do ya in the bottom, while yer drinking San Grea. Nachos, Lemonheads, and my dad's boat, you wont go down cause my dick can float.
BOATS N HOES BOATS N HOES I GOTTA HAVE ME MY BOATS N HOES
#28. Uh, we are pretty much on the same page so far, should I talk to you again tomorrow or should I choose someone else?
#31. [green]VAAAAAAAAAANS GOT FAAAAAAAANS
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A couple of things after this I feel more scum on umasi as they bring up good points. Xzav shouldnt be confirmed town at this point. You guys didnt have any thoughts on lonemeow? Could this be edited looks like that would takemsome time to do and I dont think it was at this point but want to ask the question anyway.
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The title says "ABRIDGED" which usually means parts were left out.
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On June 10 2013 13:32 fferyllt wrote:
The title says "ABRIDGED" which usually means parts were left out.
Gotcha. Also I do still feel xzav is town just not confirmed yet. My two biggest scum reads at this point are umasi amd yavanna, but am expecting a modkill for yavanna.
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