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On June 08 2013 20:47 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 19:05 LoneMeow wrote:On June 07 2013 16:34 Xzavier wrote:
Lonemeow what do you think of gotard and my case against him? Gotard's posts are extremely weird, jumping in and straight away pushing lynch on you who most seem to find the strongest town read at the moment. Even weirder that he's pushing his second best scum read instead of the best. On the other hand, this is such a suicidal move that it makes me wonder if scum would dare do something like that. Your case on him seems pretty good, but I still worry that he might be just overeager townie since as said, the move seems too suicidal for scum to dare try. I'm fine with lyching him if he doesn't provide better input, though. If you read my filter I didn't really try to lynch Xzavier on day 1. It was more like "Hey, this guy could be a scum but at the same time He's helping town so I don't really know". Ok I looked like a scum for a moment but you took my words and overreacted really heavily. At the end pressuring me gave us great results and we were able to find a scum. And about "jumping in and straight away pushing lynch" that was my first post because I only post during EU afternoons and evenings (but he couldn't know that) and I had to go through a lot of text before posting..
I'll have to admit that I must have misunderstood what you tried to say in your posts if that's what you really wanted to say. Xzavier's case had some convincing points, your case was pretty much just "he sheeped, so he must be scum" which isn't really too sound logic, since sheeping can be a townie trait too.
On June 08 2013 20:47 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 20:59 LoneMeow wrote:On June 07 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:
Lonemeow what is your strongest scum read at this point? I would also ask yavanna the same thing. It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so. This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash. And changes he's mind (is he trying to save his friend Firere?). Look at the timing Firere was going down hill at this point and it was really close (after his vote Firere345 (5), Gotard (4)) Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.
Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town.
Consider how weak my read on Firere345 was. It was basically just "this person has lurked almost the whole game, and whenever he posts he's not really saying anything new", which isn't such a strong case when the game is still in day 1 and the person in question has less than 5 total posts. I had to make a quick decision on which wagon to follow and started doubting myself.
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On June 10 2013 01:16 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 01:07 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 00:51 Onegu wrote:On June 10 2013 00:27 fferyllt wrote:
What would you expect to find out of place in a townie's filter? Hopefully the reason he was killed that being said I dont think he posted enough for that. Looking at his votes maybe the only clues but that is a reach. Perhaps the reason he was killed was exactly because there wasn't anything special in his posting history? This posits a subtle scum team. Have you looked at his filter?
Yes. The only persons he pushes are Gotard and myself. His interaction with iVLosk! says he's probably at least somewhat experienced player on some other site, so that might also give some insight into the kill.
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On June 10 2013 01:30 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 01:16 fferyllt wrote:On June 10 2013 01:07 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 00:51 Onegu wrote:On June 10 2013 00:27 fferyllt wrote:
What would you expect to find out of place in a townie's filter? Hopefully the reason he was killed that being said I dont think he posted enough for that. Looking at his votes maybe the only clues but that is a reach. Perhaps the reason he was killed was exactly because there wasn't anything special in his posting history? This posits a subtle scum team. Have you looked at his filter? Yes. The only persons he pushes are Gotard and myself. His interaction with iVLosk! says he's probably at least somewhat experienced player on some other site, so that might also give some insight into the kill.
What sort of thing would you look for in a post to indicate a player might be PR?
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On June 10 2013 01:33 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 01:30 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 01:16 fferyllt wrote:On June 10 2013 01:07 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 00:51 Onegu wrote:On June 10 2013 00:27 fferyllt wrote:
What would you expect to find out of place in a townie's filter? Hopefully the reason he was killed that being said I dont think he posted enough for that. Looking at his votes maybe the only clues but that is a reach. Perhaps the reason he was killed was exactly because there wasn't anything special in his posting history? This posits a subtle scum team. Have you looked at his filter? Yes. The only persons he pushes are Gotard and myself. His interaction with iVLosk! says he's probably at least somewhat experienced player on some other site, so that might also give some insight into the kill. What sort of thing would you look for in a post to indicate a player might be PR?
Sorry for the noob post but what ia PR?
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Power Role. Blue in TL dialect.
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On June 10 2013 01:33 fferyllt wrote:
What sort of thing would you look for in a post to indicate a player might be PR?
During day 1 I'd expect someone with a power to "play safe" and try to avoid being lynched or night killed. So probably no super strong opinions but enough committing that he doesn't look suspiciously avoiding it. After day 1, someone who seems to be very certain about something vanillas cannot know.
Doesn't really apply to veterans though, I'd expect a veteran to come on very strong during night 1 at least since he's essentially safe to do that.
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See, I did see something in his posts when I filtered him that in retrospect gave off that vibe. I think I would have picked up on it as scum.
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On June 10 2013 01:43 fferyllt wrote:
See, I did see something in his posts when I filtered him that in retrospect gave off that vibe. I think I would have picked up on it as scum.
And that was?
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On June 10 2013 01:43 fferyllt wrote:
See, I did see something in his posts when I filtered him that in retrospect gave off that vibe. I think I would have picked up on it as scum.
Then again, he did attack Gotard pretty strongly. I'm not so sure about that.
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Anyway.
I don't think it's safe for me to assume that this scum team thinks like I think when I'm scum. The kill choice, though, does imply some stuff about the scum team.
I can't see iV killing Skanjab and then claiming to be masoned. And he was too likely to be Skanjab's masoining choice to kill him and say nothing.
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Anyway, he was quite good target just for being at least somewhat experienced player on some other site and for the fact that killing him doesn't really give us much to work on.
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On June 10 2013 01:45 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 01:43 fferyllt wrote:
See, I did see something in his posts when I filtered him that in retrospect gave off that vibe. I think I would have picked up on it as scum. And that was?
Do you think it's a good idea to make a PR-hunting 101 post today?
My main reason for mentioning this is that it potentially implies someone(s) with decent experience on the scum team.
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Ok caught up on the reading and here are some thoughts.
1. I want to see the complete mason logs between skanjab1 and iVLosK! as a partial reveal just feels a bit suspicious.
2. (speculation) Skan was probably killed because scum feared that the more vocal townies were protected at night. Or Vlosk is uber pro scum and had me fooled (hope not).
3. We only had 1 night kill so there is less likely a chance of an sk. If a jailor was on someone last night I would say keep up the roleblock just to be safe.
4. No vigi kill can mean a few things... either we don't have a vig, the vig didn't want to shoot, or they are unable to shoot till night 2.
5. Yavanna needs to speak up a lot today and the fact she didn't vote is quite troubling (as is the fact she is still alive).
6. As for lone... I want to see more of his posts before I throw a vote on him. Also Lone... who are your scum reads atm.
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A few hours before I sleep. Just a few things to add right now I would like to know iV scum reads at this point. Second I doubt there is a SK. I am feeling Gotard is town at this point. Xavier assumeing there are at least 2 scum still alive what are your reads at this point. Ffer do you have anythoughts on yavanna?
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Ebwop ffer you were on her heavy yesterday just wondering if anything has changed?
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On June 10 2013 02:17 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop ffer you were on her heavy yesterday just wondering if anything has changed?
Nothing has significantly changed wrt to Yavanna except that she is not here to answer questions, participate and otherwise give me info that will refine/change my read. Her last post gave no indication she was about to flake. I do like that she directly interacted with me about another player in that post.
I'm pretty much on hold until she's replaced or returns or is modkilled.
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On June 10 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote:
A few hours before I sleep. Just a few things to add right now I would like to know iV scum reads at this point. Second I doubt there is a SK. I am feeling Gotard is town at this point. Xavier assumeing there are at least 2 scum still alive what are your reads at this point. Ffer do you have anythoughts on yavanna?
Usami/Lonemeow
yavanna isnt even on my radar as im expecting her to be modkilled
Gotard probably is town.
I know this seems super generic. but im off to work. ill explain when i get home in 5ish hours i think
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On June 10 2013 01:56 Spicydinosaur wrote:
6. As for lone... I want to see more of his posts before I throw a vote on him. Also Lone... who are your scum reads atm.
I know it sounds a bit OMGUS but I'd point my finger at StiMaDDict right now. The fact is, just about everyone else I am suspicious of currently has interacted with Firere345 in ways that make them look pro-town. It doesn't make me any less suspicious that StiMaDDict didn't bother update his case on me after Firere345 flipped red, even though a relatively large part of the case was based on my defense of Gotard and FoS on Firere345. So I very much want to see how he responds.
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On June 09 2013 07:34 StiMaDDict wrote:Since the deadline is very close I will make this request short and clear. LoneMeow is a mafia. Kill him tonight if you are Vigilante. We have a solid case against him and his interaction with Firere345 (proven scum) further indicate that he is up to no good. I'm not sure whether he is afk or something but he is not even defending himself even though he is in a tight spot. Also he only made these two posts which in my opinion is contentless and weak. Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 14:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Good morning, and good job on the lynch. I'll need a while to read everything that has happened but if anyone's here feel free to ask what's on your mind in the meanwhile. Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.
Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town.
Just a quick question on this? Why ask for a vig kill on him so strongly, i find this quite scummy actually. I am not sure the case is so solid either, people said the samething on gotard and that didnt really turn out so well. Unless the case is a complete slamdunk I dont believe the vig should kill definitely not the first night.
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Stayed up later than I wanted scaning filters havent seen much that hasnt been touched on already. Ill see you in the morning.
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