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So far the only person acting suspect to me is iampi. I'm not even sure what he's trying to say about DP. That the little funny script he wrote makes him look bad? @iampi, please explain in more detail what about DPs post looks scummy to you. Keep in mind that some of us weren't in previous games so we may not get some the references he was making. | ||
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On May 18 2013 04:28 grush57 wrote: damnit sputnik you're playing textbook scum You're saying that as if you're upset about it. Are you actually reading him as scum right now? | ||
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Blazinghand - I don't understand exactly why he changed his tune about vayne. His reason for unvoting him seemed to be the same as his reasoning for voting him. Here's his reasons: So then after Vayne post some more, BH changes his mind: Why did Vaynes earlier posts seem scum, but his later posts seemed bad town? Because they all look pretty much the same to me. | ||
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On May 18 2013 19:16 marvellosity wrote: Secondly, JJD. I don't like him being excused for being in 'big boy' games. In his newbie games, he was *significantly* lurkier as mafia. He was mafia in the game I hosted, and he spent lots of time posting in the scumQT, and no time posting in the thread. As town he's much more forthcoming. I think he's a pretty decent lynch right now. [b] In all the game's I've been in, I'd imagine the majority of my posts came during the week while I was @ work. Don't want to make an excuse but I'm always gonna be a little less active on the weekend. Last game I got lynched day 1 and a big part of the reasoning was because I went inactive for a portion of the day. | ||
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On May 18 2013 19:18 marvellosity wrote: One other thing - something I don't like that both WoS and JarJar are doing is complaining about thread activity. That riles me quite a bit. Especially with WoS, given how posty he usually is himself. Didn't mean to sound like I was complaining about it. Just wanted to point it out since the last noob game I was in had 25 pages TOTAL. It's a big change. | ||
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HOWEVER, looking @ his filter, I'm trying to see if there's anything that looks townie about him. First he tells sputnik that he's playing textbook scum but when I ask about it he says he sounds noob town. The only other insight he offered was jumping on vayne. On May 18 2013 04:45 JarJarDrinks wrote: You're saying that as if you're upset about it. Are you actually reading him as scum right now? The reason I questioned him here is it just sounds like he knows sputnik is town and playing bad. | ||
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On May 18 2013 22:11 marvellosity wrote: Maybe? I understand what you're getting at, but I'm ambivalent about it. Is he trying to imply that BH and I are scumbuddies? Is that so when BH flips red I don't look quite as good? If you think me and BH are both scum then help me bus him. ##vote: blazinghand (Sorry if I'm interpretting your post wrong iamp. But that's what I felt like u were saying) | ||
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On May 18 2013 22:25 iamperfection wrote: i said it would be weird for a scum jarjar to attack a town bh which would lead to you possibly being more likely to be town. Are you saying that you're reading BH as town? Also, why would attacking a town BH make me more likely to be town then attacking a scum BH? | ||
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On May 19 2013 11:24 Spicydinosaur wrote: EBWOP. Was supposed to be jar jar. wave was on my copy/paste from looking at his filter Are you saying that when you said: "I'm going to put my vote on WaveofShadow" you meant to say: "I'm going to put my vote on Jar Jar" and it was just a CnP error? Because you're clearly talking about WoS in the next sentence, even quoting him. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote: I agree that Sputnik has posted absolutely nothing but garbage but I feel he should be shot by a vig and not lynched d1. I highly doubt his play is some grand scum plan that his scum buddies are comfortable with. Everyone could get behind a sputnik lynch because he's a shitty player. So if everyone agrees to lynch sputnik, what does that get us? More likely than not he'll show up as town, but everyone will have a solid defense for voting him. I'm going to put my vote on WaveofShadow His first few posts are complete spam. Then he sheeps on me about s0Lstice's meta game. A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence. Jarjar on the other hand has posted some content, though very little. He's been the subject of attack a number of times but he has yet defended himself properly. Whether his in-activeness is due to RL or deliberate scum, I don't like it. I get the feeling he tried coasting D1 and got caught and really doesn't know what to do. His posts contain a lot of excuses which is scummy. I'm putting my vote on him. ##vote jarjardrinks | ||
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On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote: Jarjar on the other hand has posted some content, though very little. He's been the subject of attack a number of times but he has yet defended himself properly. Whether his in-activeness is due to RL or deliberate scum, I don't like it. I get the feeling he tried coasting D1 and got caught and really doesn't know what to do. His posts contain a lot of excuses which is scummy. I'm putting my vote on him. ##vote jarjardrinks I've said that I cant really be that active on the weekends. I don't know how that means my "posts contain a lot of excuses" And like, you're saying that I've yet to defend myself properly. Well the only real case against me is that I've been lurking. Anything I can say to defend myself I'm sure is gonna sound like more excuses to you. Is there something specific that you or someone is accusing me of that I should post a defense for? | ||
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On May 19 2013 23:37 marvellosity wrote: Looking at JJD's filter, I'm finding it pretty hard to understand why he even voted for Blazing. What's the rationale? Here's where I point out that BH changed his mind about vayne for basically no reason @ all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=29#562 He jumped on vayne for his (admittedly terrible) views on how to play day 1. But what made him change his mind? And it wasn't just "Oh hmm, maybe he isn't scum". He totally 180'd and started telling people they should stop voting for vayne. Go back and read from the time BH voted vayne to when he unvoted: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=14#267 There was nothing vayne said in his later posts that are much different in his earlier posts when BH had him pegged as scum. WHat I think happened is that BH realized how scummy it was to jump on Vayne for his terrible play. Like, check out this post from yamato: On May 18 2013 06:11 yamato77 wrote: The next post BH made was his unvote.Now, the rest of you jumping at the chance to vote this guy are worrying me. When have you ever seen a scum make a play like this? And rereading his filter, Look @ some of his reasons for his votes. He votes for iamp for flaming. He votes you for calling him out on why that's a terrible reasoning. Even saying: "yeah marv definitely scum". Then he votes for stutters pointing out how stutters said he could jump on Vayne lynch. Uh, isn't that exactly what he did? Seems pretty clear to me that he just keeps throwing shit around hoping something sticks and he doesn't really care who gets lynched. | ||
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On May 20 2013 00:49 DarthPunk wrote: Stop Lying. I'm KNOWN to lurk on the weekends. The last game I played started on the weekend. I was town and got voted off day 1 because of lurking. My activity is always gonna be alot better during the week once I'm sitting in front of a computer for 8 hours.Look at it this way. JJD is KNOWN to lurk as scum and not lurk as town. It is more likely that if he is lurking he is scum. | ||
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On May 20 2013 01:25 DarthPunk wrote: I like how you turn it around and say I'm making excuses and not calling you out for lying.I coached your scum game. Marv hosted it. I think we know what we are talking about. any quit with the excuses and make a case on someone that isn't blazinghand. You said that I'm known to not lurk as town. I pointed out how my last game I was voted out as town for lurking. So no, you don't know what you're talking about. Or you're purposefully misrepresenting the facts. | ||
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On May 20 2013 01:34 marvellosity wrote: Obviously I think he's lying, otherwise I wouldn't still be voting vor him. He claimed after everyone started voting him to try and save himself. I'd assume that's a standard scum play.So what do you make of BH's claim? Who do you want to kill today if not BH? If I had to choose for someone else to be lynched, I'd pick grush. Here's a slight case I posted against him: + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2013 21:09 JarJarDrinks wrote: So, in case I'm missing anything: this STARSENSES thing: I get that it's something grush usually says and didn't this game. Is there more to it than that or is that about it? I'd think that'd be a pretty dumb scum mistake if that's all it is. Though he'd obviously know all that so I don't think I'd read anything into it. HOWEVER, looking @ his filter, I'm trying to see if there's anything that looks townie about him. First he tells sputnik that he's playing textbook scum but when I ask about it he says he sounds noob town. The only other insight he offered was jumping on vayne. The reason I questioned him here is it just sounds like he knows sputnik is town and playing bad. Not quite as sure about him as I am BH, but he's my second choice. | ||
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On May 20 2013 01:55 DarthPunk wrote: Serious Question. Have you been reading the thread? Yes On May 20 2013 01:56 marvellosity wrote: Not interested in sputnik? Well, It's not like I can have anything more than a null read on him. Maybe a blue targets him tonight? The other person on my radar is spicy. Anyone have an opinion on this post I made: On May 19 2013 12:08 JarJarDrinks wrote: Are you saying that when you said: "I'm going to put my vote on WaveofShadow" you meant to say: "I'm going to put my vote on Jar Jar" and it was just a CnP error? Because you're clearly talking about WoS in the next sentence, even quoting him. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote: I agree that Sputnik has posted absolutely nothing but garbage but I feel he should be shot by a vig and not lynched d1. I highly doubt his play is some grand scum plan that his scum buddies are comfortable with. Everyone could get behind a sputnik lynch because he's a shitty player. So if everyone agrees to lynch sputnik, what does that get us? More likely than not he'll show up as town, but everyone will have a solid defense for voting him. I'm going to put my vote on WaveofShadow His first few posts are complete spam. Then he sheeps on me about s0Lstice's meta game. A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence. Jarjar on the other hand has posted some content, though very little. He's been the subject of attack a number of times but he has yet defended himself properly. Whether his in-activeness is due to RL or deliberate scum, I don't like it. I get the feeling he tried coasting D1 and got caught and really doesn't know what to do. His posts contain a lot of excuses which is scummy. I'm putting my vote on him. ##vote jarjardrinks How can he have meant what he said there? A CnP fail doesn't explain it. | ||
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##Vote Spicydinosaur Guess everyone is believing BHs claim. :\ I like a spicy lynch way better then a GK or sputnik lynch. | ||
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So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO. I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. | ||
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On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote: Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious. Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum. | ||
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On May 20 2013 23:05 marvellosity wrote: So if DP is potentially mafia bussing BH, same could be true of you on Day 1, right? Like "gosh darnit, everyone believes the claim, but I still think he's mafia!" Looks good if BH later flips mafia, right? I'm not saying that I should be treated as a confirmed townie or anything. But I think I should get some town cred for being the first person to call him out. | ||
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On May 20 2013 23:14 iamperfection wrote: generally townies don't really give a shit about town cred...... you scum dog? "As a townie, your number 1 priority is to establish your innocence." - A General Guide to Mafia | ||
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On May 20 2013 23:37 DarthPunk wrote: Lol, No that's what ur doing. I've been saying BH is scum ALL F'N GAME. You've been saying he was scum since he almost got lynched.[This guy knows BH is scum. There is no doubt. and he is trying to make me look bad or something when BH flips red. I don't give a fuck if it's association before the flip. Lynch this guy after BH. | ||
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On May 20 2013 23:48 DarthPunk wrote: Uh, You were the first person to unvote him after his claim. I stayed on him untill it was clear that he wasn't gonna get lynched.Nah. I almost got him lynched the first time. I didn't climb on the wagon for town cred. | ||
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On May 20 2013 23:52 s0Lstice wrote: JarJar, how did you read DP prior to the BH scumslip and why? Was leaning scum. I wasn't crazy about how he misread my meta or how he was so quick to believe BHs claim. Not sure why he thinks he was "the towniest motherfucker in the game" | ||
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On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote: Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO On May 19 2013 23:58 DarthPunk wrote: OK. Go read his last game as blue, Read this game, and then realise he has played EXACTLY THIS WAY AS TOWN. I don't get why you are pushing this so hard. On May 20 2013 00:49 DarthPunk wrote: OK. Look at it this way. JJD is KNOWN to lurk as scum and not lurk as town. It is more likely that if he is lurking he is scum. Sputnik is KNOWN to lurk as town and ???? as scum. Therefore there is no reason to believe sputnik lurking has anything at all to do with his alignment. On May 20 2013 01:48 DarthPunk wrote: it was purely activity based, and he was vig shot in that game not modkilled. JJD has done nothing also. If JJD does something I am fine with switching. On May 20 2013 01:52 DarthPunk wrote: OK there are two useless players. Player 1 I expect nothing from Player 2 I expect something from Until player 2 meets my expectations I want to lynch him over player 1. So why the F does he end up voting sputnik???? On May 20 2013 02:13 DarthPunk wrote: This is a good point actually. Im fine lynching him later if he doesn't drastically improve. ##unvote: ##Vote Sputnik That explains why he'd take his vote off me. But it doesn't explain why he'd vote for the person that he had spent the previous 3 hours telling us was probably town. That was really the person he thought was the best lynch? I don't why people are reading DP as such a townie cause I'm definately not seeing it. | ||
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I think iamps claim and the 2 deaths pretty much seal it. The fact that he hasn't bothered trying to make any sort of a defense doesn't help either. I'd be interested in hearing how anyone could justify putting a vote anywhere else. | ||
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On May 21 2013 09:42 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't honestly say how I feel about it. I have experienced scum BH before and as I've mentioned before some of it feels like it fits but not exactly. This could also very well be an easy frame attempt from mafia, or it could be exactly what it looks like and BH is scum. I am more than happy to consolidate on a BH lynch later on but considering the entire town is already down his throat, one extra person pushing him is one more person not trying to find other scum. am I the only one that reads this as "I'll vote for BH if he's already dead but if there's a chance I can get someone else lynched I will"? And what do you mean by "an easy frame attempt from mafia"? Doesn't frame imply that mafia did something to put suspicion on him? Where's the frame? | ||
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On May 21 2013 21:36 Spicydinosaur wrote: YOU, Darthpunk and probably Grushjarjar, who are your other scum reads? You - based on the CnP fail as well as just being inconsistant in your explaination for it. DP - reasons already stated. Grush - for not posting any real opinion yet this game. | ||
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On May 21 2013 22:24 marvellosity wrote: Sure, I think the original post w/ could be chalked up to a townie mistake. But then he makes the post where he explains how it was a CnP error which just didn't make any sense? And when I call him out on it, he completely ignores it. It's only after I repost the case like 2 days later and several other people realize how bad it is and start prodding him for an answer does he decide to respond. And here are his explainations:What else do you find suspicious about Spicy? Various players in this game are of the opinion that a mistake like that is more likely to come from a townie, why in particular do you disagree? On May 20 2013 05:25 Spicydinosaur wrote: WoS i have a null read on. In my post where i voted jarjar and had to part of WoS in it, I was originally going to be putting my vote on WoS. I wasn't a fan of his earlier posts but the last parts sounded more towny so I decided to switch it someone else, jarjar. Didn't check my post before i published it so that was a fuck up on my part. "A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence." that was supposed to be the start of jarjar's look and the stuff before should have been deleted. My vote there was always on jarjar. look at the time of my post and the time i posted in the vote thread. should be pretty close. On May 20 2013 05:30 Spicydinosaur wrote: It was a colossal fuck up in my post. didn't check it as i meant to delete everything about WOS. I can only guess that i saw the text above as stating the unsure statement and i didnt check below it. I mean look @ that first post. He says he has a null read on WOS but that's where he was originally gonna put his vote? And then he says "A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence." was supposed to refer to me. Does anyone really feel that way about my posts? | ||
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On May 21 2013 23:41 s0Lstice wrote: If I haven't mentioned him then nothing must have stood out to me as particularly scummy. I've liked alot of his reads (obviously not his scumread of me but I feel like it was a true read). The not reading his PM thing seems terrible but not really scummy. I think he's probably town.JarJar I'm going through your filter right now, and unless I somehow missed it, I don't see a single reference to GK. What's your read and why? | ||
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On May 22 2013 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote: You're post looked suspicious to me so I pointed it out. That doesn't make you a scumread.What the fuck is this? You show up to post fucking twice every other day, have no consistency in your scumreads, have the balls to point out some of my shit and then don't even call me a scumread? As far as suspicion on Spicy goes, I already re-attacked him for this if you'd read the thread and he explained it before that and as well when I attacked him pretty decently. I don't see what new evidence you've brought up here or why you're bothering pushing an ages-old matter that is barely relevant right now. I was asked | ||
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Like what am I really being accused of? The whole asking for credit for BH's flip? - The posts that s0Lstice quoted were all in reference to the same thing: DP calling me a top scumread. Most of those quotes were in the same exchange w/ marv. As for misinterpreting iamps post: Marv, you admitted that he wasn't very clear in his meaning. You really don't believe I could have jumped to that conclusion based on his wording? I even put a disclaimer @ the end of my post that I wasn't sure if that was what he meant. | ||
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On May 22 2013 12:24 Stutters695 wrote: Well I mean, people keep trying to say I'm bussing BH. So just wanted to point it out incase that was part of the reason people were quick to think that.Calling out scum in a newbie game really doesn't mean much, and I guarantee you no one cares that a relative noob might be scum. What do you make of my interactions with BH today for starters. IDK that's such a broad question. I guess I think it's wierd that you're suggesting not lynching him @ this point but I think that would be pretty ballsy for scum to do so not reading much into it. Is there something else I should be addressing?On May 22 2013 12:30 Blazinghand wrote: JJD, the only two mentions of GK in your filter are here: The second one specifically in response to people noting you've made no reads on him. I'd like to you to clarify: which of his reads have you liked? I liked his early read on how Vayne was acting exactly how he acted in the previous game when people started to jump on him for his bad day 1 play. He's been on you and grush who are scumreads of mine He ended up w/ his vote on spicy w/ me day 1 and has made cases against him. It's totally a meta case. Nothing you mention that he did seems suspicious on it's own. And he didn't jump on on sputnik even though he could have w/o raising suspicion so you saying he was "trying to stay on the popular wagon" is false. | ||
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I'll be posting thoughts shortly. | ||
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K, gonna comment on BHs reads + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2013 04:23 Blazinghand wrote: So, I'm not going to be around for the flip. I'm going to start with my two big townreads. Marvellosity is town. I have NEVER been more sure of someone being town in my mafia career. Also, he's the only guy who's like never mislynched grush DarthPunk is town. I'm less sure of this, since he didn't do anything at all for all of D2 (not even really pressuring other people! But I think it's unlikely scum would get all on a townie for a perceived scumslip. Scumreads: [b]GK. We all know why. By met and activity and etc. WoS is scum. He started shitting up the thread as soon as people unvoted me, he's been pushing scum agenda, etc etc. DI is scum. scroll up to see. yeah it's a list post, it wont' earn my any cred. GK > WoS > DI in terms of priority I agree w/ BH about Marv and I'm pretty surprised to see people acting suspicious of him. Yamato saying that "Marv is "pro-town" as mafia" seems like a silly thing to say. Doesn't that imply that he'd be a bad scum player? Like his only actual reasoning for suspecting marv is that he didn't have better reads day 1 and voted for sputnik. Even though like half the town did the same thing including yamato himself. I don't agree w/ BH about DP though. I didn't think there was anything scummy about his push for BH but everything I mentioned previously still stands. The "Scummy post from s0lstice if bh flips green." quote right before the flip should certainly raise eyebrows. I posted my thoughts on GK. I think he's town and dont feel like he's really done anything too scummy in this game. I think WoS is probably town. I think his back n forth w/ BH was him legit getting pissed @ someone he thought was scum. I just can't imagine scum posting like that with someone that he knows is gonna flip green. It's not like he needed to put more pressure on BH since he was surely getting lynched. K, I think I'm leaning scum on DL. Filter is pretty bad. Just complete trolling and sheeping w/o giving any insight. There's other people I'd rather lynch tomorrow but if it comes down to a race between DL and GK (which seems likely) then this is where I'd put my vote. | ||
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On May 24 2013 00:40 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't say that DP tunneling BH makes him look town. But no I don't think it makes him look scummy. I could see a town DP doing the same thing. My case against DP is not because he pushed for BHs lynchSo you think that DP is scum, yet spent an entire day tunneling the everliving fuck out of a townie which ISN'T scummy? I really don't understand this analysis. It looks like you're just picking and choosing the points you want to your own ends. Also how the fuck has GK not done anything scummy? Even if you think his posting has been from a town perspective, a LOT of the shit he's done has been scummy/anti-town from a purely objective standpoint. The main thing I have against GK is the whole not reading his role thing, which as I said before, is pretty terrible and I agree w/ marv that it's against the spirit of the game. But I don't think it's a mafia play at all. I think the majority of the case against GK is meta and no I haven't seen anything all that scummy from him in this game. | ||
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On May 24 2013 01:12 marvellosity wrote: I thought he was bussing. That part of my case doesn't work anymore. Wasn't the thrust of your case against DP that he dropped the case on BH when BH originally claimed, and then 'handily' jumped on the 'scumslip'? Can you remind me what your case on DP actually is? I thought that him calling me a scumread even though I was pushing the guy he caught scumslipping was suspicious. So him voting for BH is somewhat related to my case against him. But what I'm saying is I don't think that him pushing for the lynch of a townie is suspicious. Here's more of my case against him: On May 21 2013 01:24 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, Check out how hard DarthPunk was defending Sputnik So why the F does he end up voting sputnik???? That explains why he'd take his vote off me. But it doesn't explain why he'd vote for the person that he had spent the previous 3 hours telling us was probably town. That was really the person he thought was the best lynch? I don't why people are reading DP as such a townie cause I'm definately not seeing it. And this is an exchange we had early in the game where I felt like he was just looking for a reason to put a vote on me: On May 20 2013 01:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: I like how you turn it around and say I'm making excuses and not calling you out for lying. You said that I'm known to not lurk as town. I pointed out how my last game I was voted out as town for lurking. So no, you don't know what you're talking about. Or you're purposefully misrepresenting the facts. | ||
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If we lynch DL then we're crossing our fingers that there's only 3 scum. Otherwise we lose to the NK. Now marv already acknowledged that in his analysis. On May 24 2013 06:57 marvellosity wrote: Now first off this math is wrong. After nightkills it doesn't go to 4-1-1 or 3-2-1. It goes to 4-2-1 or 3-3-1. If it's 5-4-1, we have two options: 1) lynch SK, we lose immediately to the nightkill 2) lynch mafia, when after nightkills it would be either 4-1-1 (where we can lynch the SK) or 3-2-1, where the game is out of our hands But I don't even think that's what would happen, for 2 reasons: 1. I don't think DL can afford to shoot town and risk it going to 3-3-1. That gives way too much power to mafia and he almost surely can't win. I think he either has to shoot mafia or not shoot @ all 2. Wouldn't mafia shoot @ DL? They don't really differentiate between non-scum. Doesn't it make sense that they shoot @ the guy who has KP and will almost surely not get protection? And then like marv said, if it's 6-3-1 then we're fine either way. The only issue is that we have to be pretty positive that we're lynching scum today. That's the only way we guarantee that we don't lose the game on this lynch. | ||
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On May 24 2013 22:42 s0Lstice wrote: Or 4-3-1 if DL doesn't shoot. Would he rather be @ 4-3-1 or 3-3-1?so lynching scum puts us at either 4-2-1 or 3-3-1 depending on if there are 3 or 4 scum | ||
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On May 25 2013 01:14 marvellosity wrote: Unless there's 4 scum in which case we lose the game.This is true, the problem is killing Dandel is still the right play even if we pinned him as 100% mafia right now. | ||
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On May 25 2013 00:31 Promethelax wrote: Am I missing something marv? Mafia RBing JK wont hurt since DL would still get blocked correct?If both Roleblocker and Jailkeeper exist, No. However a Roleblocked Jail Keeper's Roleblock will still go through. | ||
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On May 25 2013 01:29 marvellosity wrote: look at the numbers, i'm assuming dandel's shot doesn't go through every night. mafia still has a shot. So then what did you mean by this: On May 25 2013 01:22 marvellosity wrote: Did you miss the ruling? Because it really seems like you're saying whatever you can to have us take the one course of action that can immediatelty lose us the game.Anyway, just one more numbers ramble. Say we're on 5-4-1 right now, and we choose to lynch mafia, and say we have a jailkeeper. Jailkeeper autoroleblocks Dandel to save us from 1 kp per night lynch mafia -> 5-3-1, mafia kill town, dandel roleblocked -> 4-3-1 lynch mafia -> 4-2-1, mafia kill town, dandel roleblocked -> 3-2-1 lynch mafia -> 3-1-1, mafia kill town, dandel roleblocked -> 2-1-1 lynch mafia -> 2-0-1, roleblock SK, win! The problem with this scenario is that it magically assumes that mafia will manage not to hit OR roleblock the jailkeeper for 3 consecutive cycles. Now, if we lynch the SK at 5-4-1 lynch SK -> 5-4-0, jailkeeper has to get one hero roleblock/jail and destiny is back in town's hands. | ||
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On May 25 2013 01:58 marvellosity wrote: You say "The problem with this scenario is that it magically assumes that mafia will manage not to hit OR roleblock the jailkeeper for 3 consecutive cycles."what am i missing? what are you not understanding??????? But according to the ruling above, mafia roleblocking the JK won't stop DL from getting blocked. Am I reading something wrong? | ||
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So we're pretty much just crossing our fingers that there's only 3 mafia. In which case, the smart play is killing DL cause he's gonna shoot @ town. ##vote: Dandel Ion | ||
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On May 25 2013 13:39 WaveofShadow wrote: It's interesting you say that; is it marv's thing to have to carry the town? It's pretty evident town needs somebody to take the lead atm but I certainly don't trust my reads enough to do it (especially since scum always leave me alive towards LYLO and I lose the game then). If marv doesn't kick it into gear as you say, do you suspect him of being scum? I do know that a lot of my conversations with him haven't exactly been fruitful but I have no way of knowing if that's by design or the fact that we just don't have answers right now. I think that if there's 4 scum then Marv is most likely one of em. But it doesn't really matter because we lose. My top scum read is darthpunk and then I guess grush. | ||
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On May 25 2013 14:49 DarthPunk wrote: See stuff like this is why I think you're scum. This is the 2nd time you said untrue stuff to try and make me look bad. The first was when you talked about my meta. Please explain what you mean by "all he has done is sheep the popular lynches" because that's completely untrue. Pretty good. Day one I wanted to lynch him but was convinced by s0lstice that he should be given time to contribute. Then all he has done is sheep the popular lynches whilst making a weak as shit case/push on me who should be read as town even though i got lazy after the blazinghand lynch. Also can you tell me why you "should be read as town"? | ||
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On May 25 2013 22:25 DarthPunk wrote: I didn't "go along" w/ the BH lynch. He was my top scumread up untill he was lynched. This has been discussed as I'm sure you know. Saying that I sheeped the BH lynch is a lie.Well is it untrue? you went along with the BH lynch even though it was being pushed HARD by your number one scum read. now you are going along with the DI lynch even though your number one scum read is pushing for a DI lynch. And despite talking about me being your number one scum read for a while you actually haven't pushed for my lynch at all. And I'm voting DL today simply because of the math as has also been discussed. It's not a sheep if it's basically the only choice there is. And when would I have pushed for your lynched? Like I sad, BH was my my top scumread and we have to lynch DL today. | ||
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Solstice, are you trying to say that scum would actually prefer to get one of their own lynched instead of the SK? That's insane. | ||
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On May 26 2013 12:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Marv pointed out all the math. Like a bunch of us were discussing whether or not it would have been a better play to try and lynch scum instead of DL. Marv was the one who explained exactly why that was a worse play.Are you fucking kidding me right now JJD? He didn't have to do shit to keep DI in the noose. You think it was because of marv that the vote to lynch him was unanimous? | ||
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I still think grush is most likely scum. Check out this last post from him: On May 26 2013 03:57 grush57 wrote: @ the time it just seemed like he was just pretty much posting w/o actually reading the thread which I don't think surprised anyone, but look @ his previous post:Sigh I guess it's too late, I'm not totally sure Dandel is scum but whatever On May 24 2013 08:46 grush57 wrote: He obviously knew that DL had claimed SK. I think that last post was a slip.Dandel Ion is sk so we should lynch him over mafia right? | ||
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On May 28 2013 10:01 s0Lstice wrote: I find it strange that you'd say this and then vote for me since I've been saying that I think GK is town all game. It can't be a coincidence that just about everyone in this game has wanted to kill GK at some point. This is just a guess, but my gut tells me that he is the SK, and the scum team pegged him early. The best way for them to deal with the SK is to lynch him, for obvious reasons....hence all the heat he has been getting from all sides. Like, this is cleary Soltice just putting his vote on the townie that is most likely to be mislynched. I'm gonna reread a bunch tomorrow but I don't really recall him saying I've been scummy @ all this game. Like, can anyone actually read soltices filter and figure out the reason he's voting for me? | ||
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On May 28 2013 11:18 VayneAuthority wrote: the mafia is just being too obvious here, can it get more obvious that my team of WoS/s0lstice/GK is the remaining scum? Vayne, I doubt that all 3 scum would pile on the same target w/ nobody else voting for me. I think WoS legit believes that I'm scum, he's been on me all game. I'm pretty sure solstice is scum though and is just piling on me, this is who I'd prefer we lynch today. And as for GK, I think that if he's not town, he's SK. Obviously I'd rather he get lynched then myself but if we lynch the sk, there's a good chance we lose the game. | ||
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On May 28 2013 13:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Like, look at this shit. When did he EVER mention Solstice before this point? On May 28 2013 13:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Well, I'm not gonna flip red. I'm gonna flip green and the game will be over. Now obviously me telling you this isn't gonna make a difference to you. But think about it logically:Actually, that's pretty interesting. WARNING: PRE-FLIP ASSOCIATION Very easy upon his red flip to give Solstice easy towncred with the reverse suspicion. Completely distanced himself from Solstice all game and solstice himself flip-flops constantly throughout the game as to whether or not JJD is town or scum. Hmmmm. What you're saying makes sense. If soltice and I were both scum, him jumping on my wagon for seemingly no reason and then me subsequently calling him out about it would seem like a decent play for us to make if we thought there was a good chance I'd be lynched today. I understand why you'd make that association. But also my post makes sense. If I'm town and Soltice is scum, doesn't it look like he's just trying to wagon the mislynch? Like I said, s0lstice has given very little reason for voting me. In either scenario, there is just no way s0lstice is town. Lynch him today so we don't autolose. If you still think I'm his scumbuddy tomorrow then we'll talk about it then. But @ least the game wont be over. | ||
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The Dandel lynch - I remember thinking @ the time that there was no way solstice was scum since he was arguing on my side in that we should consider lynching for scum instead of the "SK". Obviously scum is not gonna argue against killing the SK. And S0lstice clearly knows that as he posted recently: On May 28 2013 10:01 s0Lstice wrote: So after DLs flip it seem, you would think that the people that were arguing for his lynch would look good, that's the main reason I backed off DP. But s0sltice goes off on marv and DP:WoS-- It can't be a coincidence that just about everyone in this game has wanted to kill GK at some point. This is just a guess, but my gut tells me that he is the SK, and the scum team pegged him early. The best way for them to deal with the SK is to lynch him, for obvious reasons....hence all the heat he has been getting from all sides. From this point onward, the moment scum can get the SK in the noose, they win. On May 26 2013 06:33 s0Lstice wrote: and he tries to somehow imply that scum would want to lynch scum for some reason.With that flip, I really think DP and Marv are scum. I've about had it with the 'I'm town because X said so' argument. Marv and DP have been guilty of this repeatedly. Think of it like this..what is the point of even saying that? We are at a point where everyone needs to be re-evaluating town reads, because nobody is having an easy time finding a place for the scum team to fit on their spreadsheets. Everyone who is town at this should no longer be satisfied with 'Marv is town because iamp and BH said so,' or Marv saying 'I'm town, it's so obvious.' It's not good enough....we are well past the time of free passes. If you want to convince somebody that somebody else, or you, is town, reasoning needs to be provided. These two don't seem to care to provide any. On May 26 2013 11:44 s0Lstice wrote: WoS did you read what I wrote? 431 is better for scum than a potential 5-4. Dandel claims sk thus forcing us to lynch scum when we should have lynched sk. On May 26 2013 12:52 s0Lstice wrote: He's since backed off this though since it was pointed out to him how backwards his logic is here and since he wasn't getting support for a Marv lynch, he decided to jump on me instead. So it makes sense that s0lstice would try and turn it around like that since he was one of the people looking to keep DL alive. And yes I realize that I was doing the same thing but there's a difference. First of all, I didn't try to imply that people pushing DLs lynch were scummy after the fact. ANd I think I was pretty clear w/ my motivations. I said that I thought was mistake to lynch the SK because of the fact that we could lose immediately. I was the first person to bring it up. And then when marv pointed out how we still lose even if we lynch scum, I conceded the point. Go back and see how s0lstice reacted through the whol DL thing. @ first he says we have to lynch him but he's immediately fishing to see if he can push for someone else...and he would have done the same thing as scum, because he knew Dandel was lying and it was a bad lynch for town. On May 24 2013 06:26 s0Lstice wrote: I think we have to lynch him. We have no assurance he won't hit town tomorrow and end the game for us, oddly enough. It's just like the BH day, where our target was there the entire day and killed all other discussion. On May 24 2013 06:35 s0Lstice wrote: Marv you know Dandel better than I do. I'm not certain he can be trusted to do the optimal thing an SK would do in any given situation. I mean if he goes full on troll...it may be better to remove him from the game ASAP. Gotta think on it. So after marv answers him: On May 24 2013 06:35 marvellosity wrote: [This is blatantly obvious. He shot town last night when he should have been shooting mafia. So he decides to not only vote him, but he gets into it w/ him: On May 24 2013 08:12 s0Lstice wrote: like wtf were you even doing this game dandel your lack of caring makes me sad ##vote dandel ion On May 24 2013 08:17 s0Lstice wrote: You created the situation where we would want to "comfortably lynch you" all by yourself. On May 24 2013 08:29 s0Lstice wrote: Yea, I don't like your style at all, and I'm happy that our best move from here on is to kill you first <3 thanks for asking On May 24 2013 08:34 s0Lstice wrote: also I'm kind of wondering if you killed Spicy, looking for the JK On May 24 2013 08:42 s0Lstice wrote: You can outright say whatever you want, it's not like anyone is going to contest you. So I then go ahead and make my post saying that I didn't think lynching the SK was a good idea. On May 24 2013 21:55 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, I get that everyone respects and listens to marv, but I think he's wrong here. Lynching the SK is a bad play. If we lynch DL then we're crossing our fingers that there's only 3 scum. Otherwise we lose to the NK. Now marv already acknowledged that in his analysis. Now first off this math is wrong. After nightkills it doesn't go to 4-1-1 or 3-2-1. It goes to 4-2-1 or 3-3-1. But I don't even think that's what would happen, for 2 reasons: 1. I don't think DL can afford to shoot town and risk it going to 3-3-1. That gives way too much power to mafia and he almost surely can't win. I think he either has to shoot mafia or not shoot @ all 2. Wouldn't mafia shoot @ DL? They don't really differentiate between non-scum. Doesn't it make sense that they shoot @ the guy who has KP and will almost surely not get protection? And then like marv said, if it's 6-3-1 then we're fine either way. The only issue is that we have to be pretty positive that we're lynching scum today. That's the only way we guarantee that we don't lose the game on this lynch. Like I said, I know this doesn't look good for me in hindsight but what I posted made sense @ the time. I just hadn't thought the situation all the way through plus I didn't realize the whole bulletproof thing. But @ the very least, I was consistant. S0lstice had made a ton of posts "arguing" w/ DL and said a few times how lynching him was our best move. But as soon as I made my post, he immediately jumped on the chance to get him out of the noose: On May 24 2013 22:42 s0Lstice wrote: so lynching scum puts us at either 4-2-1 or 3-3-1 depending on if there are 3 or 4 scum lynching SK puts us at at either 5-3 or 4-4(game over) that first line seems better. we are fine at 4-2-1, and 3-3-1 sucks but at least the game isn't over. On May 25 2013 01:37 s0Lstice wrote: And that last line there make's it even worse that he went and accused marv and DP after the flip.At least for this lynch, it will break down like this as I see it. We can be reasonably sure on the JK, dunno about the RB right now I guess. With the mod answer though, it doesn't look like the JK's prot for tonight can be blocked anyway. for 6-3-1: -lynch scum-->6-2-1-->scum and SK must kill town-->JK blocks SK-->5-2-1 -lynch SK--> 6-3 --> 5-3 after the NK -mislynch town --> 5-3-1 --> scum kills town, SK must kill town to avoid 4-2-1 --> 4-3-1 if JK alive, 3-3-1 if not for 5-4-1: -lynch scum --> 5-3-1 --> scum kills town, SK must kill town to avoid 4-2-1 --> 4-3-1 with JK block on SK -lynch SK --> 5-4 --> 4-4 after NK and game is over -mislynch town --> we are fucked so lynching scum today gives us either 5-2-1 or 4-3-1 for tomorrow. 4-3-1 is a loss for town I think...it would lead to 4-2-1 after the lynch, and then either a 3-2-1 or a 2-2-1 depending on if the JK is still alive. Neither of these can result in a town win. 5-2-1 is a winnable situation for town...we get a free SK lynch, and a 4-2 after the following NK. lynching SK gives us a flat out 5-3, or a loss. If there are 4 mafia, they are going to be all about lynching the SK right now. | ||
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##Vote: Goodkarma I don't really want to vote him. I agree that he's most likely SK. But I do know that if I get lynched it's definately game. gonna respond to stuff soon. | ||
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On May 29 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Okay, marv already touched on this but I'll add: are you kidding me? Please answer marvs question: should I have just left my vote on BH?Here's one right off the bat. Read this and then this. He's SO SURE about BH forever and wants to make his read look genuine in spite of the claim. Only when he feels thread sentiment is changing does he get worried and feel that he has to remove his vote. No explanation besides 'welp no one else is voting BH so i'd better not either!' Here's another: Well it's dumb of me to defend my read of spicy @ this point but you're writing off the CnP thing as no big deal when several people agreed w/ me about it. And I still to this point don't understand how people are ok w/ grush.I commented at the time on how horrible this post is. One out of the three is someone he hasn't even mentioned yet. DP - dumb but whatever, he explained it. The Spicy push makes no sense here to me at all based on the simple reasoning of his copy and paste mistake. Furthermore he only really explains himself ONCE AGAIN when asked. Looks here like a weak attempt to provide random reads to get town off his back, which it didn't. As for you and Marv having a feeling about me: well, there's not much I can say to that. I get that my reads have not been good this game, but bad reads <> scum. | ||
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On May 29 2013 06:18 marvellosity wrote: Lol, you were voting for a townie as well. Don't lump me in with the people voting GK. I said several times I didn't think he was a good lynch. I had no choice since I obviously wasn't gonna vote for myself.now we (i say we, you other people) lynched a townie, the SK literally must hit mafia or he just loses as well I think you've had me fooled this whole game marv. I gave you alot of credit for the DL thing, but you're supposed to have a good repuation @ finding scum. I find it hard to believe that on day 4, you managed to lead the town behind 2 townie wagons. And yes, despite where your vote landed, you were a big part of getting GK lynched. @SK, if you shoot me like marv wants, mafia wins the game. | ||
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On May 29 2013 22:03 marvellosity wrote: I think Solstice is scum for sure. He was the 3rd potential wagon yesterday and I think it's next to impossible that mafia wasn't even close to being lynched. (And yes, no one except me can know this for sure)This all relies on you being town. I'm sure you can understand why I'm sceptical of this. Assume I'm town because I am, who are your anti-town elements in the game? Which is why I suspect you Marv. I think that if it wasn't for you, Solstice would have been lynched yesterday. You made it so the town was forced to choose between myself and GK. I think you should try harder then "Assume I'm town because I am" because if I was the SK, I'd be aiming @ you tonight. | ||
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On May 30 2013 01:24 marvellosity wrote: The reason I said that is because I assume mafia already figured out who I am and was hoping to either avoid getting hit w/ a roleblock or confirm my suspicions about you.As far as I can tell JJD is outright claiming scum by saying that s0lstice is clearly mafia but SK should be shooting at me. I'm attacking S0lstice tonight. Like I said, I'm about 100% sure he's scum. Also I killed Stutters meaning there was no mafia NK on the night that s0lstice claims he was blocked. If I don't get roleblocked tonight then marv is most likely town. Conversely, If I do get roleblocked then marv is probably scum. If my kill goes through, it becomes 2/2/1 meaning you can't lynch me because it ends the game. If by some freak chance S0lstice is town then I guess mafia wins. | ||
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On May 30 2013 06:24 marvellosity wrote: were the night actions actually bluesnipes? Were there crumbs? The hits on Spicy and Stutters were kinda surreal to me :p Spicy didn't claim his roleblock. And I thought this could be a Jail Keeper crumb On May 20 2013 08:49 Stutters695 wrote: I'm trying to catch up on what I missed. Really curious how the vote switched off of JK although it makes sense it would wind up on sputnik at the end. On May 20 2013 08:49 Stutters695 wrote: Ebwop GK, not JK, damn Swype | ||
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