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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 29 2013 14:32 GMT
#2841
I mean apart from anything else, why would you be asking the SK to aim at me and not s0lstice? That doesn't add up at all.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 29 2013 16:11 GMT
#2842
ugh, yea my reads have been terrible this game. I knew the first game back would be bumpy, but this is ridiculous.

WoS- I was reading your conversation with Marv about JJ. It devolved into an argument, so I peeled away and spent the time in JJ's filter for myself. There was one post in particular that you both talked about, Marv called it 'the worst post' in his filter. This was my biggest takeaway from your conversation. I agree that it looks awful, but I got really stuck on the couple townie looking posts I was talking about.

Marv, I have to believe you are town with the way the votes went down.

ATOBTTR
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 29 2013 16:24 GMT
#2843
As far as I can tell JJD is outright claiming scum by saying that s0lstice is clearly mafia but SK should be shooting at me. But yeah. Dead thread is dead ^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 29 2013 16:28 GMT
#2844
I'm wrestling with this grush thing too. Normally Starsenses is pretty safe, but the way it had to be prised out of him this game combined with his even-worse-than-usual activity combined with the last minute delurk to vote for GK out of the blue yesterday is... well, horrible.

Vayne also refused my overtures to switch his vote to JJD, and then disappeared completely for the flip. To me it's not natural at all for a townie to be present very close before the flip but then subsequently not be around at all for the flip to see what happened and to comment on it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 29 2013 16:51 GMT
#2845
Yea let's liven it up a bit.

The bit you just pointed out about JJ is really good. s0l is def scum-->getting nervous about marv-->SK must kill scum-->so he kills.....marv somehow.

Concerning Vayne, I also feel like he is not adapting new information into his reads. I think I said this earlier, but it's like he's making reads in a vacuum. Not adjusting, not pushing, nothing....just making them for the sake of making them. I know for sure I talked earlier about his Spicy NK analysis where it was pointed out to him that Spicy was a parity cop and hence couldn't be breadcrumbing results of his night checks...and instead of taking this information in and attempting to fix his analysis he just stopped.

On grush, I noticed in this game that the first time he said starsenses after being forced to, it wasn't bolded and green. I feel like when he says starsenses and means it, the formatting is always there. I need to look again at the games DP linked to see if he's ever said it without the formatting. Like..could he have been trying to leave himself an out for the postgame hellstorm he is sure to hear if he is in fact not town? He did eventually format it, but only after additional pressing.
ATOBTTR
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 29 2013 16:58 GMT
#2846
He didn't say it without the formatting in recent games. But I don;t believe he would ruin that forever for himself for 1 scum win.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 29 2013 17:01 GMT
#2847
s0lstice, so much of what you write sounds natural and townie to me and yet you've had some real wtf moments with your read on me and your stance switch on JJD yesterday.

By the way I'm going to say this now in case I forget later, and this is the first night in a while I feel like I have a reasonable chance of being killed:

townies should remember to no-lynch where appropriate.

I've checked and we can ##vote: no-lynch, so if the game somehow gets down to a 2-1-1 situation, town must absolutely vote for a no-lynch and hope to get lucky, because lynching anyone loses immediately. By posting this I'm also hopefully forcing mafia/SK to follow along with this in the hope that they stay hidden from all other factions. Don't forget!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 29 2013 17:03 GMT
#2848
I mean, I get that DP, but at the time it happened the game was basically in full stop waiting for him to say it. I don't think it's so simple. The attention was very much on him. He knows at that moment if he doesn't say it he is going to get lynched, no question. Are you confident that a scum grush just takes the lynch there?
ATOBTTR
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 29 2013 17:05 GMT
#2849
Fuck s0lstice could very well be town after reading his filter again and his recent posting. Who is left then? If you remove marv myself and s0lstice.

You are left with Vayne, WoS, Grush, JJD.

but you have to remove grush because starsenses.

That leaves Vayne, WoS and JJD. two of whom have been somewhat town reads of mine.

Like I think the sk should shoot JJD as the most certain to be scum.

So vayne, WoS, JJD as not town. add s0lstice if scum team is 4 people?

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 29 2013 17:06 GMT
#2850
On May 30 2013 02:03 s0Lstice wrote:
I mean, I get that DP, but at the time it happened the game was basically in full stop waiting for him to say it. I don't think it's so simple. The attention was very much on him. He knows at that moment if he doesn't say it he is going to get lynched, no question. Are you confident that a scum grush just takes the lynch there?


Grush is going to get lynched all the time without starsenses. If he wasted it for 1 win as scum then I am fine with just policy lynching him day one in every single game from now on.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 29 2013 17:14 GMT
#2851
On May 30 2013 02:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 02:03 s0Lstice wrote:
I mean, I get that DP, but at the time it happened the game was basically in full stop waiting for him to say it. I don't think it's so simple. The attention was very much on him. He knows at that moment if he doesn't say it he is going to get lynched, no question. Are you confident that a scum grush just takes the lynch there?


Grush is going to get lynched all the time without starsenses. If he wasted it for 1 win as scum then I am fine with just policy lynching him day one in every single game from now on.


Yea me too. This is the issue, because he is trapped between a rock and a hard place. There really isn't a good way to go here...either he abides by starsenses all the time and then can't play the game as scum ever...or he sheds the starsenses thing (by lying in a game about it) and he gets policy lynched a ton because there's no other way to discern his alignment reliably.

If he's fucked either way, I don't think either way should be ruled out. At least by taking the lying route and getting rid of starsenses, in the future he stands a chance of playing either alignment by upping his game a little and reasoning with people.
ATOBTTR
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 29 2013 17:25 GMT
#2852
whoa guys just because I started a lynch on some one I genuinely thought was mafia and they piled on late votes at the end does not make me mafia.

Some of what you guys are saying doesnt even make sense, if there was 3 mafia left and an SK then one of your town reads cannot be town.

At the very least we know that JJD is basically confirmed scum by the late votes piled on in the wrong direction, wouldn't be surprised if one of grush or s0lstice is his accomplice and the SK could be on either wagon since hes uninformed.
I come in for the scraps
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 29 2013 17:32 GMT
#2853
Vayne

On May 28 2013 13:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't see any contradiction I am telling it how it is. you guys are the 3 scum left. WIFOM won't phase me


You are addressing WoS here. So WoS is scum.

On May 30 2013 02:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
whoa guys just because I started a lynch on some one I genuinely thought was mafia and they piled on late votes at the end does not make me mafia.

Some of what you guys are saying doesnt even make sense, if there was 3 mafia left and an SK then one of your town reads cannot be town.

At the very least we know that JJD is basically confirmed scum by the late votes piled on in the wrong direction, wouldn't be surprised if one of grush or s0lstice is his accomplice and the SK could be on either wagon since hes uninformed.


The post you just made, WoS is not listed as an accomplice. I am however, despite the fact I did the opposite of this:

On May 29 2013 05:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
why would anyone town still not have voted with 30 minutes left besides grush

Hes just gonna vote for JJD last second and were gonna lose, gee gee


You are referencing me here. Explain please.

ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 29 2013 17:37 GMT
#2854
If it's simpler, just tell me why WoS is scum or town and why.
ATOBTTR
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 29 2013 17:52 GMT
#2855
you're really trying to use things against me that assumed GK was scum? just lol man.

Why would WoS be an accomplice if he was on JJD the whole time? How can I suspect him any longer when he did nothing remotely suspicious?

You can buddy up with marv/DP all you want you aren't phasing me
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 29 2013 17:53 GMT
#2856
Also you had your vote on JJD and last second switched it to GK, that is reason enough to be suspicious of you. You only voted because I was onto what you were doing.
I come in for the scraps
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 29 2013 17:57 GMT
#2857
I'm trying to understand how you are playing this game, and if you are really adapting to new information.

Are you here for awhile?
ATOBTTR
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 29 2013 19:16 GMT
#2858
so who DO you suspect, Vayne?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 29 2013 19:59 GMT
#2859
I would have to say based on the new information that JJD and s0lstice are the remaining scum, no idea who the SK is. Also the possibility that s0lstice is actually town and the STARSENSES is bullshit and grush has been scum this whole time. I thought he was going to get modkilled but then he slips in at the last second and drops in a vote to secure the mislynch. sketchy as fuck.
I come in for the scraps
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 29 2013 20:58 GMT
#2860
Hello, my name is JarJarDrinks and I'm a Serial Killer (Yes the REAL serial killer)

On May 30 2013 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
As far as I can tell JJD is outright claiming scum by saying that s0lstice is clearly mafia but SK should be shooting at me.
The reason I said that is because I assume mafia already figured out who I am and was hoping to either avoid getting hit w/ a roleblock or confirm my suspicions about you.

I'm attacking S0lstice tonight. Like I said, I'm about 100% sure he's scum. Also I killed Stutters meaning there was no mafia NK on the night that s0lstice claims he was blocked.

If I don't get roleblocked tonight then marv is most likely town. Conversely, If I do get roleblocked then marv is probably scum.

If my kill goes through, it becomes 2/2/1 meaning you can't lynch me because it ends the game.

If by some freak chance S0lstice is town then I guess mafia wins.
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