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On May 28 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 12:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 28 2013 11:59 s0Lstice wrote:Marv-- That stuff all paints him as pretty scummy. I'm not sure that there's anything specific that says SK over mafia though. You raise a good point in regards to how he hasn't said much of anything about the SK since he said he had a theory and never shared it (presumably because of the whole Dandel thing). When you get back, let me know where you ended up on JJD. @GK Who is the SK? @Vayne You are no longer allowed to get away with this On May 26 2013 06:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
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There's not much to elaborate on with s0lstice, Its simply that; a gut read with some minor quirks in his play early. I havent seen anything particularly scummy past that so there's the chance that I was -GASP- wrong.
GK called you on it already, and you have not satisfactorily explained. We are waaaaay too late into this game for you to not have some ammo behind your scum reads. Explain better, or I'm going to assume it's just a scummy placeholder and you are scum. why exactly do I care what you and your scumbuddy think? I don't need to explain shit when its clear as daylight what you guys are trying to do, lynch a lurker to end this just like you started it with sputnik. You've been floating under the radar for the entire game not really giving much of anything in opinions but now you are soft defending GK and having your most cleared (WoS) start your bandwagon and when its safe enough both of you are gonna hop on. Don't even try to fuck with me. Methinks I see a contradiction here, Vayne. Am I town or scum? Also come on, dude, use your brain. Do you truly and honestly think the entire scumteam are going to be the very first onto a mislynch wagon? This isn't NMM 39. To be fair, I don't see a hell of a lot of reasoning for sheeping me coming from either solstice or GK so there could definitely be something up. (GK's vote is obvious either way; it's likely either him or JJD today.) Anyway I'm pretty damn confident in your towniness, so join the wagon of justice, breh. DP what-cha been up to lately?
MY fucking Australian terrible internet died. I'm reading the thread now. Prob don;t want to lynch JJD anymore though.
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On May 28 2013 13:32 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 28 2013 12:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 28 2013 11:59 s0Lstice wrote:Marv-- That stuff all paints him as pretty scummy. I'm not sure that there's anything specific that says SK over mafia though. You raise a good point in regards to how he hasn't said much of anything about the SK since he said he had a theory and never shared it (presumably because of the whole Dandel thing). When you get back, let me know where you ended up on JJD. @GK Who is the SK? @Vayne You are no longer allowed to get away with this On May 26 2013 06:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
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There's not much to elaborate on with s0lstice, Its simply that; a gut read with some minor quirks in his play early. I havent seen anything particularly scummy past that so there's the chance that I was -GASP- wrong.
GK called you on it already, and you have not satisfactorily explained. We are waaaaay too late into this game for you to not have some ammo behind your scum reads. Explain better, or I'm going to assume it's just a scummy placeholder and you are scum. why exactly do I care what you and your scumbuddy think? I don't need to explain shit when its clear as daylight what you guys are trying to do, lynch a lurker to end this just like you started it with sputnik. You've been floating under the radar for the entire game not really giving much of anything in opinions but now you are soft defending GK and having your most cleared (WoS) start your bandwagon and when its safe enough both of you are gonna hop on. Don't even try to fuck with me. Methinks I see a contradiction here, Vayne. Am I town or scum? Also come on, dude, use your brain. Do you truly and honestly think the entire scumteam are going to be the very first onto a mislynch wagon? This isn't NMM 39. To be fair, I don't see a hell of a lot of reasoning for sheeping me coming from either solstice or GK so there could definitely be something up. (GK's vote is obvious either way; it's likely either him or JJD today.) Anyway I'm pretty damn confident in your towniness, so join the wagon of justice, breh. DP what-cha been up to lately? MY fucking Australian terrible internet died. I'm reading the thread now. Prob don;t want to lynch JJD anymore though.
Short form since I'm around atm---who then?
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I don't see any contradiction I am telling it how it is. you guys are the 3 scum left. WIFOM won't phase me
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On May 28 2013 13:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't see any contradiction I am telling it how it is. you guys are the 3 scum left. WIFOM won't phase me
What?
You call us all scum and then you talk about me being Solstice's 'most cleared,' insinuating that either he is town and believes me to be the 'most cleared' town on his list, or that he is scum and I am the most cleared town on his list. How is that not contradictory?
And how are we lynching a lurker (you compare him to sputnik) when JJD is actually posting??
AND how the fuck is it WIFOM?
Like you keep talking about all your hidden skills and you don't see how the entire scumteam immediately jumping on what you perceive to be a town wagon is a bad idea for scum? Seriously?
I'll give you a hint: if what you say is true, what would happen to said scumteam if JJD were to flip town?
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? I dont even know what you are talking about, im saying you are the least suspected in your scum team so you started the bandwagon. That is what you being the "most cleared" means.
If JJD flips town we lose. lol.
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On May 28 2013 14:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
? I dont even know what you are talking about, im saying you are the least suspected in your scum team so you started the bandwagon. That is what you being the "most cleared" means.
If JJD flips town we lose. lol.
How am I the least suspected of the people you've named? You and BH have been on my dick constantly. That's besides the point though. Yes we do lose if JJD flips town but he WON'T.
Think about it this way: even if the three of us voting JJD right now were all scum, why toss all of our votes in the ring and implicate ourselves this early, one after the other, when people like you have plenty of time to point it out? Why not wait and see where the rest of thread sentiment goes and see if just one townie sheeps Wave, the ringleader, and then safely jump on near the end of the day for the win?
Like, you're describing just horrendous scumplay, even for LYLO.
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What is it about JJD's play makes you think town, Vayne? I just don't get it.
On May 25 2013 15:20 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 15:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 15:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
You know GK if you made more posts like this instead of martyring yourself I wouldnt want to have you lynched, just so were clear on that.
As well as your concern for me its nothing that I can really disprove, thats always been my playstyle if you want to look into me. I put down the vote I think has the best chance of winning the game regardless of what others think. If you think I have any sway on this game when everyone takes me as a joke you're out of your mind...
as I've said my scumteam is you/s0lstice/WoS/dandel, but now that dandel is SK im reconsidering if its just you 3 or if theres a 4th which I guess doesnt matter if we lose right now. It does matter. Who would you say is 4th scum? I'm interested to hear. Hell while you're at it, what makes me scummy? And solstice? Well I dont really have a strong opinion on it yet, it would be torn between my gut read on stutters (which btw my first gut read for every tl game has been correct so far) and JJD. The problem I have is that my gut reads are awesome, but JJD's play this game is throwing me off after playing with him in the newbie game. he was town then and hes playing way differently here so yea. read BH's analysis of why you are scummy, i have nothing less or more to add to it except whats in my filter. its pretty spot on. as for s0lstice its all in my filter, ive given like 3 massive posts on it so yea >>
This is the last you talk of him and it was days ago. How did you go from scum to town exactly?
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OK I still want to lynch s0lstice. Don;t want to lynch JJD because other scummy people also want to lynch him. That is pretty much the only reason. Also he de tunnelled me so that gives him so town points in my book
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On May 28 2013 14:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 14:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
? I dont even know what you are talking about, im saying you are the least suspected in your scum team so you started the bandwagon. That is what you being the "most cleared" means.
If JJD flips town we lose. lol. How am I the least suspected of the people you've named? You and BH have been on my dick constantly. That's besides the point though. Yes we do lose if JJD flips town but he WON'T. Think about it this way: even if the three of us voting JJD right now were all scum, why toss all of our votes in the ring and implicate ourselves this early, one after the other, when people like you have plenty of time to point it out? Why not wait and see where the rest of thread sentiment goes and see if just one townie sheeps Wave, the ringleader, and then safely jump on near the end of the day for the win? Like, you're describing just horrendous scumplay, even for LYLO.
so thats pretty much me and nobody else  BH is dead. GK and s0lstice are definitely under more suspicion.
Why can you guarantee he wont show up town?
rest of its just WIFOM which is meaningless to me
also I agree with DP, fuck that JJD wagon.
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Bed time will answer any questions when I wake up.
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On May 28 2013 15:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
Bed time will answer any questions when I wake up.
The first questions you answer had better be the ones you ignored.
DP I am not sold on a Solstice lynch but the thought of both solstice and GK jumping on as they did without proper reasoning has me uneasy.
My vote remains for now.
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On May 28 2013 15:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 15:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
Bed time will answer any questions when I wake up. The first questions you answer had better be the ones you ignored. DP I am not sold on a Solstice lynch but the thought of both solstice and GK jumping on as they did without proper reasoning has me uneasy. My vote remains for now.
Well yeah. Like GK and S0lstice both claimed RB right? and then we lost a night kill and the JK was jailing offensively. So one of them could easily be scum and because they both jumped onto the JJD wagon that makes me not want to lynch JJD.
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VOTE COUNT
goodkarma(1): VayneAuthority
JarJarDrinks (3): WaveofShadow, s0Lstice, goodkarma
Not Voting (4): marvellosity, DarthPunk, grush57, JarJarDrinks
JarJarDrinks is set to be lynched. Deadline is in ~13,5 hours.
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On May 28 2013 12:53 goodkarma wrote:
I've defended myself about as much as I care to. If you were to look at the way Dandel must have been "bussing" me if I were scum, it just doesn't fit. He made such a haphazard case that was utterly bad. Like wouldn't he be more likely to coordinate / care about this type of action if we were both scum? It would be far more likely that if we were both scum he wouldn't site reasons for lynching me that don't even exist (a "scumslip" that never happened).
And yeah, if you'd assume I'd lie about a RB, maybe I could be SK. But what would be my motive for lying? And if I only lied once, which would have to be the case, where did the other RB from day 2 go???
Neither theory makes any sense. You pretty much have to assume I'm a compulsive liar to be SK, and Dandel's actions don't really make sense if we're both scum.
And this "He is self-aware of all these things. Therefore, he must be cleverly planning all of this out and tricking us..." kind of logic that seems to be used repeatedly by Marv doesn't really make sense to me. It's like all of this is out there in the open. The SK stuff is especially obvious. Like come on. How hard is it for you guys to figure out I'm not scum? You can talk yourself into some corner that I am some kind of super-clever scumster, or you can just accept that I really don't fit as scum. Maybe I wouldn't have to point this stuff out if you were a little more thorough with your assessment. It deeply bothers me that Marv is pushing this lynch.
As far as vote switching and whatnot scummy stuff you have to say about my filter, I've already discussed where I was coming from on all of that. If you feel that my stances were scummy whatever. I've said all I'm going to on that.
And regarding my early talk about SK theory, I did discuss that a little bit. It was revolving around speculation on the death of Rayne. But really, I didn't have anything more to bring up on that subject than I already did.
To find both SK and scum, my approach has been to use process of elimination to determine who's non-town in this game. I don't feel very good about Marv/Solstice right now. Both have done townie things, and rather non-townie things. I am more confident with JJD/Vayne being non-town right now. And if there's been some "wishy-washy" language here and there, it's because it hasn't been easy for me this game to spot out scum. As such, my assessments and theories have been changing quite a bit.
Whatever happens, we're in LYLO, so we'd best come to some kind of consensus on who to vote today.
I'm most confident with JJD/Vayne being scum.
Solstice I'm a bit more on the fence on. I actually felt some of the arguing he made that DP and Marv were both scum was townie, as I don't visualize a scum sticking his neck out like that. Yet... up until that point he seemed to blend in so darned well...
I'll sheep Wave, who I'm confident is town.:
##Vote: JJD
My issue with this entire post is that it really addresses little to nothing of what's been said about you. In pretty short:
- dandel sacked himself, you can't defend yourself with his actions
- saying the logic I use doesn't make sense to you without saying why not isn't a defence. The fact is you're defending yourself from things you're under attack from, repeatedly; i.e. voting a billion times and your previous scumgames. Saying "you don't fit as scum" and other things which you repeatedly say are just baseless statements.
- you said you'd talk about SK twice on the 3rd page of your filter, which i assume was after rayne went killed (or if it wasn't, you should be lynched for activity alone  )
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DP you've become less active recently, even given an internet shortage.
What's your stab at a mafia team and/or SK? I'm assuming it has to include someone you previously assumed to be town, so I'd like to know.
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Also s0lstice, please try harder if you want to push suspicion on me. Twice you've made significantly bad arguments against me that you've had to back down from (GK, dandel's suicide) and admit I'm right, yet you're still pushing the idea that I'm mafia despite having nothing.
Justify yourself.
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On May 28 2013 17:48 marvellosity wrote:
DP you've become less active recently, even given an internet shortage.
What's your stab at a mafia team and/or SK? I'm assuming it has to include someone you previously assumed to be town, so I'd like to know.
Yeah I am lazy. at the moment I am working from process of elimination.
If Marv, DP, and Grush are 100% town
Then I want to lynch into s0lstice, GK, JJD, Vayne and WoS in that order.
I could see GK being serial killer. But I am pretty sure s0lstice is not town.
GK and s0lstice being my major priorities also both were roleblocked and at least 1 kp went missing.
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I am around now also obviously if you want me to do something in particular.
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a rather late EBWOP to my reply to GK
- The fact is you're defending yourself from things you're *not* under attack from
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The worst of the current situation is that it's not even the end of the world at all for mafia if mafia are lynched today, so discerning motive is extremely difficult
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