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On May 25 2013 22:25 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 22:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 25 2013 14:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Pretty good. Day one I wanted to lynch him but was convinced by s0lstice that he should be given time to contribute. Then all he has done is sheep the popular lynches whilst making a weak as shit case/push on me who should be read as town even though i got lazy after the blazinghand lynch. See stuff like this is why I think you're scum. This is the 2nd time you said untrue stuff to try and make me look bad. The first was when you talked about my meta. Please explain what you mean by "all he has done is sheep the popular lynches" because that's completely untrue. Also can you tell me why you "should be read as town"? Well is it untrue? you went along with the BH lynch even though it was being pushed HARD by your number one scum read. now you are going along with the DI lynch even though your number one scum read is pushing for a DI lynch. And despite talking about me being your number one scum read for a while you actually haven't pushed for my lynch at all. I didn't "go along" w/ the BH lynch. He was my top scumread up untill he was lynched. This has been discussed as I'm sure you know. Saying that I sheeped the BH lynch is a lie.
And I'm voting DL today simply because of the math as has also been discussed. It's not a sheep if it's basically the only choice there is.
And when would I have pushed for your lynched? Like I sad, BH was my my top scumread and we have to lynch DL today.
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Oh and GK, every game (unless you're reading my newbies) I'm apologetic for having to afk. If anything you could say that I've actually followed through on promises to deliver later where in past games I haven't as a deviation from my town meta(not that I'd consider that bad at all).
I'm not sure what you're saying about hard lines on stances, you'd have to elaborate, and read the "get him boys" in context, Marv said spicy was antagonizing BH so I thought I'd jump in when nothing else was going on for laughs.
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On May 25 2013 19:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 18:16 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2013 14:54 goodkarma wrote:
Then of the pool of remaining people I find it a little hard to fathom Solstice playing this well as scum having never played it before. He's stayed uncontroversial / unnoticed for the most part for sure, but he's still been semi-helpful / pro-town for most of the game, as well as fairly active. I'm leaning on him being town, but I could definitely be wrong.
This is actually really insightful from GK and reading through his filter a very accurate conclusion, where i disagree is his conclusion. That is exactly the kind of things I look out for when I look for scum. I actually think we should lynch s0lstice. What do you think marv? I actually think s0lstice is town, partly from his general play, partly from the really dumb fight he got into with me. As a general note about myself, I'm not apathetic, this is the lynch we need to make today and there's a reasonably decent chance we won't even be here tomorrow to find de mafioso. If we are around tomorrow to do so, then we can look in earnest. I only reference the players who thought I was blates town because it should be pretty obvious I'm town, and it's obvious enough that other players agreed with me. GK's characterisation of my play is terribly weak. Thing is, GK, I can easily make some 1000 word post talking about every player in the game and coming to any conclusion I like. That's really really easy. You continually make these large list posts calling townies mafia. You don't actually push anything for shit, GK.
Marv what the fuck?
Why not start today if there's people who won't be around tomorrow? I really don't understand your shutting down of discussion constantly; it's really starting to bother me. I agree with your point about GK, but what have you done lately aside from pop in now and then without really contributing?
I have had no doubts you were town the entire game but your play recently now has me second-guessing myself. Is this the best explanation you have for your mindset right now?
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Like...I'm bothered by the fact that people like Stutters seem to be picking up their game (even if not really expected to do so) when others are dropping the ball (me included). I'm getting seriously bad vibes lately.
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I can't even explain it. It's one of those 'too easy' vibes. Every lynch thus far has just been a pile on with almost no effort required whatsoever.
Somebody talk to me.
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Well rainbow river got scrapped so we're drinking out by the pool instead. I'll be semi inactive but checking in until later. What did you want to talk about?
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On May 26 2013 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't even explain it. It's one of those 'too easy' vibes. Every lynch thus far has just been a pile on with almost no effort required whatsoever.
Somebody talk to me.
you are right. the thing is though we are also right to lynch SK today.
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On May 26 2013 01:36 Stutters695 wrote:
Well rainbow river got scrapped so we're drinking out by the pool instead. I'll be semi inactive but checking in until later. What did you want to talk about?
Fucking anything.
And I agree DP but why have we had so many days of discussion being halted just because we 'know who we're lynching already?'
I'm going to have a close look at Marv atm because there's something aside from the 'bad feelings' I'm getting that I want to look at.
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marv isn't scum.
I Don't know much about this game but I know that.
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WARNING: LIST POST
So from what I can tell everyone in town has (or SHOULD have) SOME sort of read as to who they think is scummy, right? (Not including DI atm)
Correct me if I'm wrong about any of these, I did a quick skim of the past little while to come up with this.
Me: JJD, GK (less so right now)
DP: Solstice, JJD
Stutters: GK
Solstice:
On May 23 2013 10:59 s0Lstice wrote:
...and my current list is pretty much exactly like yamatos.
I have yet to go through the filters anew though after the BH flip. It may change, but at the moment I'm working and posting.
Can't find scumreads, only numbers speculation.
GK: Stutters/Vayne/Marv
Vayne: GK/Solstice/WoS
Marv: On May 25 2013 05:45 marvellosity wrote:
Stutters might actually be mafia, he's blatantly not reading the thread.
This is the best he could come up with apparently... I suppose it counts.
When asked directly earlier on?
On May 25 2013 01:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 01:40 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2013 01:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 01:33 marvellosity wrote:
Wave, "him" in that scenario was GK, not Dandel. Oh ok. Syntactic ambiguity. On May 25 2013 01:35 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2013 01:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2013 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 01:14 marvellosity wrote:
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This is true, the problem is killing Dandel is still the right play even if we pinned him as 100% mafia right now.
I've got 45 minutes till I'm off work so happy to talk about anything GK-related in the meantime. I'm open for questions This is a familiar situation between us, marv. It bothers me a little that we've had these discussions multiple times yet pretty much nothing has come of it every time we do it, but whatever. I don't think anyone commented on GK's rant post. Did you have any thoughts? The biggest thing that we know NOW at the time we didn't at the time of GK's rant post, is that Spicy, his main (I think?) suspicion is dead. Do you remember earlier in the game, when he said the main difference between town GK and mafia GK is that mafia GK has shit reads? well........... See this is more meta shit though and I am having a lot of trouble taking it all at face value as it seems almost everything directed at him is solely based on meta (aside from his decidedly odd play during this game). Is it likely that's he'd out himself like this if he knew how Spicy was going to flip? ALso marv do you have anything to say about the CONTENT of his rant post? Also what did you mean by 'even if Dandel is 100% mafia?' This isn't "meta shit". This is GK's *own* description of his play. In *this* game. sorry, i should add that 'outing himself like this' devolves quite a lot into wifom. But I want to look at this just a little. Is that a likely thing for mafia to say knowing the direction he was heading? if GK is mafia he's the most suspicious mafia out of all the mafia who exist. So yes, why not. This argument is a bad one because they can just kill Spicy and have someone use this argument in his favour. Alright I see that. You say that GK is the most suspicious out of those who exist (if mafia). Do you have any other reads atm or anyone you'd like to discuss? Not in my 15 minutes before I leave work. Especially as it's kinda futile for the minute anyway.
I guess his reads are probably GK/Stutters but I don't know for sure because he refuses to really come right out and say it. Also a shit ton of numbers speculation to the exclusion of doing other things.
JJD:
On May 25 2013 14:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 13:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 11:13 Stutters695 wrote:On May 25 2013 07:34 marvellosity wrote:
This isn't a meta or an activity argument, so please don't try to make it one. I don't care about the meta part, I just think it's funny you're trying to suggest I'm possibly scum off of one post, you're better than that. We'll talk more about it if we make it through the night but your play is really worrying me. You're playing like MtG without actually ever kicking it into gear when it is evident town needs you (obviously not right now, I'm talking d2 especially). It's interesting you say that; is it marv's thing to have to carry the town? It's pretty evident town needs somebody to take the lead atm but I certainly don't trust my reads enough to do it (especially since scum always leave me alive towards LYLO and I lose the game then). If marv doesn't kick it into gear as you say, do you suspect him of being scum? I do know that a lot of my conversations with him haven't exactly been fruitful but I have no way of knowing if that's by design or the fact that we just don't have answers right now. I think that if there's 4 scum then Marv is most likely one of em. But it doesn't really matter because we lose. My top scum read is darthpunk and then I guess grush.
Fucking terrible but at least they're reads.
Grush: I dunno...gonna get modkilled?
I actually found a slightly different conclusion than the one I thought I was going to find...I didn't think marv posted any scum reads at all, so I guess if I count the one on stutters and GK he's probably in the clear on this, but it makes solstice look like absolute shit.
Thoughts??
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On May 26 2013 01:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 19:04 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2013 18:16 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2013 14:54 goodkarma wrote:
Then of the pool of remaining people I find it a little hard to fathom Solstice playing this well as scum having never played it before. He's stayed uncontroversial / unnoticed for the most part for sure, but he's still been semi-helpful / pro-town for most of the game, as well as fairly active. I'm leaning on him being town, but I could definitely be wrong.
This is actually really insightful from GK and reading through his filter a very accurate conclusion, where i disagree is his conclusion. That is exactly the kind of things I look out for when I look for scum. I actually think we should lynch s0lstice. What do you think marv? I actually think s0lstice is town, partly from his general play, partly from the really dumb fight he got into with me. As a general note about myself, I'm not apathetic, this is the lynch we need to make today and there's a reasonably decent chance we won't even be here tomorrow to find de mafioso. If we are around tomorrow to do so, then we can look in earnest. I only reference the players who thought I was blates town because it should be pretty obvious I'm town, and it's obvious enough that other players agreed with me. GK's characterisation of my play is terribly weak. Thing is, GK, I can easily make some 1000 word post talking about every player in the game and coming to any conclusion I like. That's really really easy. You continually make these large list posts calling townies mafia. You don't actually push anything for shit, GK. Marv what the fuck? Why not start today if there's people who won't be around tomorrow? I really don't understand your shutting down of discussion constantly; it's really starting to bother me. I agree with your point about GK, but what have you done lately aside from pop in now and then without really contributing? I have had no doubts you were town the entire game but your play recently now has me second-guessing myself. Is this the best explanation you have for your mindset right now?
yep, i'm a pragmatist
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On May 25 2013 19:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 18:16 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2013 14:54 goodkarma wrote:
Then of the pool of remaining people I find it a little hard to fathom Solstice playing this well as scum having never played it before. He's stayed uncontroversial / unnoticed for the most part for sure, but he's still been semi-helpful / pro-town for most of the game, as well as fairly active. I'm leaning on him being town, but I could definitely be wrong.
This is actually really insightful from GK and reading through his filter a very accurate conclusion, where i disagree is his conclusion. That is exactly the kind of things I look out for when I look for scum. I actually think we should lynch s0lstice. What do you think marv? I actually think s0lstice is town, partly from his general play, partly from the really dumb fight he got into with me. As a general note about myself, I'm not apathetic, this is the lynch we need to make today and there's a reasonably decent chance we won't even be here tomorrow to find de mafioso. If we are around tomorrow to do so, then we can look in earnest. I only reference the players who thought I was blates town because it should be pretty obvious I'm town, and it's obvious enough that other players agreed with me. GK's characterisation of my play is terribly weak. Thing is, GK, I can easily make some 1000 word post talking about every player in the game and coming to any conclusion I like. That's really really easy. You continually make these large list posts calling townies mafia. You don't actually push anything for shit, GK.
So apparently you get really upset about listposts... This whole "I could make up reads" arguement could easily be applied to pretty much every kind of post, so that's really the bulk of it. A listpost is appropriate here, as if we're around tomorrow, it's almost guaranteed to be LYLO all the rest of the game... We have to figure out the entire scumteam now. So while sometimes people are all angry about listposts giving extra information to scum, "outing townies" or whatnot, it's appropriate here.
And this is only the second time I've made a listpost. The first being the night I felt I had a good chance at getting vigi'd, which was also appropriate given I wanted to leave town with my reads.
Further, regarding this "your characterization of me is weak" thing: we don't have an obvious scumteam (or we'd have nothing here to discuss), so you being part of a scumteam is a very valid possibility. Instead of getting upset, perhaps you can get in here and share with us your reads. So if you are town we can figure this game out, and maybe not lose.
This "you don't push your reads" thing is moreso valid than anything else you brought up. I have been put so hard on the defensive the past few cycles, I really haven't re-geared myself into some kind of read pushing mode. Up until now, really people have more or less ignored most of what I've had to say unless they were pushing a case for me being scum (since like everyone assumed I was scum)... I'll be following up on what those on my suspect list here have said to my recent posting, and go from there.
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On May 26 2013 00:13 Stutters695 wrote:
Oh and GK, every game (unless you're reading my newbies) I'm apologetic for having to afk. If anything you could say that I've actually followed through on promises to deliver later where in past games I haven't as a deviation from my town meta(not that I'd consider that bad at all).
I'm not sure what you're saying about hard lines on stances, you'd have to elaborate, and read the "get him boys" in context, Marv said spicy was antagonizing BH so I thought I'd jump in when nothing else was going on for laughs.
Perhaps I should rephrase this: Did you actually conjure up so many excuses? You had some in prior games for sure, but they're rather prevalent this game.
I mean I've seen a rather large number of remarks like this one this game, and it stood out to me as a curious tendancy. It does look like there's some of this in prior games, but they're like everywhere in this one.:
On May 26 2013 01:36 Stutters695 wrote:
Well rainbow river got scrapped so we're drinking out by the pool instead. I'll be semi inactive but checking in until later. What did you want to talk about?
I really don't care if you're off drinking somewhere. What's relevant is that when you're here you are actively scumhunting, and all I've really seen is you have an interest in lynching me...
Would you mind laying out what you envision to be the scumteam? I mean clearly it's more than one guy. There's at least three scum, yet I seem to be the only guy you're concerned about... And somehow I'm "sure scum," in which case one would think you'd be devoting your scumhunting energies finding the remaining scum.
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So, are we to judge you by your reads so far GK, like you proclaimed earlier in the game?
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On May 26 2013 03:07 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 00:13 Stutters695 wrote:
Oh and GK, every game (unless you're reading my newbies) I'm apologetic for having to afk. If anything you could say that I've actually followed through on promises to deliver later where in past games I haven't as a deviation from my town meta(not that I'd consider that bad at all).
I'm not sure what you're saying about hard lines on stances, you'd have to elaborate, and read the "get him boys" in context, Marv said spicy was antagonizing BH so I thought I'd jump in when nothing else was going on for laughs. Perhaps I should rephrase this: Did you actually conjure up so many excuses? You had some in prior games for sure, but they're rather prevalent this game. I mean I've seen a rather large number of remarks like this one this game, and it stood out to me as a curious tendancy. It does look like there's some of this in prior games, but they're like everywhere in this one.: Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 01:36 Stutters695 wrote:
Well rainbow river got scrapped so we're drinking out by the pool instead. I'll be semi inactive but checking in until later. What did you want to talk about? I really don't care if you're off drinking somewhere. What's relevant is that when you're here you are actively scumhunting, and all I've really seen is you have an interest in lynching me... Would you mind laying out what you envision to be the scumteam? I mean clearly it's more than one guy. There's at least three scum, yet I seem to be the only guy you're concerned about... And somehow I'm "sure scum," in which case one would think you'd be devoting your scumhunting energies finding the remaining scum.
GK I'd like you to comment on my listpost, if you would.
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On May 26 2013 03:07 marvellosity wrote:
So, are we to judge you by your reads so far GK, like you proclaimed earlier in the game?
GK is town marv. Scum team is S0lstice/JJD/stutters + 1 maybe.
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VOTE COUNT
Dandel Ion (9): marvellosity, WaveofShadow, s0Lstice, VayneAuthority, goodkarma, Stutters695, Dandel Ion, DarthPunk, JarJarDrinks
Not Voting (1): grush57
Dandel Ion is set to be lynched. Deadline is in ~2.4 hours.
Reminder: Voting is mandatory.
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On May 25 2013 15:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
You know GK if you made more posts like this instead of martyring yourself I wouldnt want to have you lynched, just so were clear on that.
As well as your concern for me its nothing that I can really disprove, thats always been my playstyle if you want to look into me. I put down the vote I think has the best chance of winning the game regardless of what others think. If you think I have any sway on this game when everyone takes me as a joke you're out of your mind...
as I've said my scumteam is you/s0lstice/WoS/dandel, but now that dandel is SK im reconsidering if its just you 3 or if theres a 4th which I guess doesnt matter if we lose right now.
What exactly is this remark supposed to mean? I get that you hate martyrs, I really do. You've remarked on it a few times now, but my understanding is that we're hunting for scum. And this remark seems to imply that you like my post enough that you'd consider me not being lynchworthy, if only I'd make more posts like it? It's a little hard for me to wrap my head around this... So your verdict is I'm scum, but your verdict is that post makes me look town?
Perhaps I'm overcomplicating your post here, but it just doesn't feel like you're fully invested in pushing my mislynch with remarks like this one.
Further, while perhaps "martyring" is a pet peave of yours, invalidating yourself as useless / "a joke" is something that I look at as a scum trait. What purpose does this remark about you being perceived as a joke have to do with trying to win this game? Absolutely none... What it leaves me with is the feeling that you are trying to invaldate your own play, and as I just said that's a scum trait...
Also, apparently WoS is scum in your eyes because he "shit up the thread the moment people started unvoting BH?" From what I read, that looks to be BH's logic. Have you looked at anything he's done past that point, and has that done anything for your read?
While we're at it, can you run through exactly how Solstice is scum other than this "my gut tells me so" thing? You're like "please reference my filter" in multiple places... When I look through what I pull up is this:
On May 25 2013 12:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
GK - ive pointed out a ton of weird things about him from his martyr posts to the 2 RB claims to ATE'ing everytime he gets voted for even if he isnt indefinitely lynched. Hes been playing super defensive all game and I cant believe he isnt lynched yet.
Runner-up - s0lstice, I have given some analysis on it earlier in my filter, more of a gut read than anything.
And then some really really old stuff from day one. So WoS asked you, and I will too: could you please elaborate on this guy?
What also concerns me is that you seem to be taking stances on people as scumreads, and then just sitting on it. Your reads don't look like they evolve much at all as the game progresses, and more stuff is posted...
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Sigh I guess it's too late, I'm not totally sure Dandel is scum but whatever
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