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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On May 25 2013 14:10 DarthPunk wrote: Somehow I am your top scum read and yet we have voted the same way for the past two cycles. LOL you need to actually push me without just repeating DP is scum ad nauseum if you believe I am scum. DP how would you feel about lynching this guy after DI? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On May 25 2013 14:10 DarthPunk wrote: Somehow I am your top scum read and yet we have voted the same way for the past two cycles. LOL you need to actually push me without just repeating DP is scum ad nauseum if you believe I am scum. Although if that's your comeback for him I don't really know what voting analysis says right now since most of the players in this game have been on the same wagon all game. It may be more interesting to view the outliers. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On May 25 2013 13:39 WaveofShadow wrote: It's interesting you say that; is it marv's thing to have to carry the town? It's pretty evident town needs somebody to take the lead atm but I certainly don't trust my reads enough to do it (especially since scum always leave me alive towards LYLO and I lose the game then). If marv doesn't kick it into gear as you say, do you suspect him of being scum? I do know that a lot of my conversations with him haven't exactly been fruitful but I have no way of knowing if that's by design or the fact that we just don't have answers right now. It's not that he's not carrying the game that worries me per se. It's more his ambivalence. He's not given a shit before in games MtG mini where he openly said he was playing for fun and not really trying yet when it came down to it he still cared. Compare it to this game where he goes missing for extended periods without anything to show for it and his lack of caring, flip flopping on BH too late to do anything when the info was already out there for the most part and its really concerning. He could just be demoralized (this game has been really ass for town so this is an absolute LYLO deal, but it wouldn't surprise me. If i don't make it to endgame someone should really look into it. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On May 25 2013 14:13 WaveofShadow wrote: DP how would you feel about lynching this guy after DI? Pretty good. Day one I wanted to lynch him but was convinced by s0lstice that he should be given time to contribute. Then all he has done is sheep the popular lynches whilst making a weak as shit case/push on me who should be read as town even though i got lazy after the blazinghand lynch. Like he has been given time and hasn't done anything. Rather lynch him than GK TBH. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
I'm feeling a bit mindfucked right now trying to sort out this mess. I would argue neither of our lynches so far have been super-informative given how they were fairly uncontroversial / unanimous. What I'm fairly confident about right now is that myself (100%), Wave, and DP are town. Grush I'd put as town too, as the starsense thing seems to be his only towntell, and I'll have faith that he won't ruin it for himself. Then of the pool of remaining people I find it a little hard to fathom Solstice playing this well as scum having never played it before. He's stayed uncontroversial / unnoticed for the most part for sure, but he's still been semi-helpful / pro-town for most of the game, as well as fairly active. I'm leaning on him being town, but I could definitely be wrong. Then we have this mess: Stutters/JJD/Vayne/Marv Stutters again has had no scumgame. But what I find peculiar about his play this game is that while he seems to be rather unapologetic about being afk most the time in other games (as best I can tell anyway... I'll confess I skimmed pretty hard here. If I'm wrong feel free to point it out.), here he seems to have conjured up multiple IRL excuses. As though he needs to try extra-hard to validate with us that he's out doing other stuff, and that we need to excuse his inactivity. This just doesn't sit well with me, as well as how he seems to be certain at this point that I'm scum. That felt a bit out of nowhere to me, looking at his past postings. Also, how he made a comment about BH making a second scumslip, saying something like "get him boys." He seems to be taking hard lines when it comes to pushing lynches, which doesn't feel to me to be coming from town. JJD is just so terrible it boggles my mind. He definitely is not in sync with thread sentiment, and is content to do his own thing. I give him some townie points for this, since the kind of brazen stuff he's been doing just doesn't make much sense to me as scum. He's just been drawing soooo much attention to himself. And he's stood by what he's said for the most part. Further, he seemed genuinely investigative about the best move for today. From scum's perspective, SK is a threat that needs to be eliminated. In just about every scenario, I'd see them eagerly jumping onto the chance to get the SK lynched here, so I found that encouraging. You might be thinking why the 180 spin on opinion? He could definitely be scum, in that he is clearly not very up to speed with the thread to be coming to some of the conclusions he has. But being bad isn't the same as being scum, and right now I'm inclined towards believing he's bad town. I've completely re-read every filter and this is my conclusion right now. I mean he could just be a lurky scum with no real concern with keeping up with thread or trying, but bad town feels more likely. As for Vayne, I've already mentioned the BH thing. I don't get how you just say something to the extent of this is wrong, and then try so very little to switch others' viewpoints to your candidate. Instead, you sit there and say something like "this is the most anticipated flip," as in you really don't care if BH gets lynched. Further, that he seems to be unconcerned with the very dire situation we're in now, and that his chief concern seems to be to get me lynched to the exclusion of determining all scum (which is very necessary for us to do at this point) is something I find unsettling. Marv seems to have fallen into complete complacency, which is the exact opposite of what a town Marv should be doing. Further, he's cited who thought he was town as some kind of credential when his play should be speaking to that (a small point, but it stuck out to me). Finally, he doesn't seem to be pursuing scumreads very aggressively. I don't know what this yuck stuff is about, but when town's on the verge of losing, I'd fully expect much more from him. And maybe town Marv can be apathetic, but given we need to work to find ALL THE SCUM, I'd say he's someone to look into. It is very unsettling to me how little he's been doing to turn this around. The scumteam I propose is Stutters/Vayne/Marv. I don't feel super-confident about this, but given everything I've looked at this is the best I have. Please do comment on this. We absolutely need to figure out our plan for the upcoming days now, and not put it off. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
As well as your concern for me its nothing that I can really disprove, thats always been my playstyle if you want to look into me. I put down the vote I think has the best chance of winning the game regardless of what others think. If you think I have any sway on this game when everyone takes me as a joke you're out of your mind... as I've said my scumteam is you/s0lstice/WoS/dandel, but now that dandel is SK im reconsidering if its just you 3 or if theres a 4th which I guess doesnt matter if we lose right now. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On May 25 2013 15:06 VayneAuthority wrote: You know GK if you made more posts like this instead of martyring yourself I wouldnt want to have you lynched, just so were clear on that. As well as your concern for me its nothing that I can really disprove, thats always been my playstyle if you want to look into me. I put down the vote I think has the best chance of winning the game regardless of what others think. If you think I have any sway on this game when everyone takes me as a joke you're out of your mind... as I've said my scumteam is you/s0lstice/WoS/dandel, but now that dandel is SK im reconsidering if its just you 3 or if theres a 4th which I guess doesnt matter if we lose right now. It does matter. Who would you say is 4th scum? I'm interested to hear. Hell while you're at it, what makes me scummy? And solstice? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On May 25 2013 15:10 VayneAuthority wrote: also your reads seem to carefully look over inconsistencies such as pointing out s0lstice and stutters never playing scum but not giving me the same courtesy. Seems almost like OMGUS/bias. I don't know anything about solstice but as far as I know stutters has gone a shit ton of games without playing scum, as have I. You've only BEEN in like 2-3 games on TL, so that's not exactly enough to be able to say much of anything. Plus you've acknowledged the fact that you've played extensively on other sites. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On May 25 2013 15:11 WaveofShadow wrote: It does matter. Who would you say is 4th scum? I'm interested to hear. Hell while you're at it, what makes me scummy? And solstice? Well I dont really have a strong opinion on it yet, it would be torn between my gut read on stutters (which btw my first gut read for every tl game has been correct so far) and JJD. The problem I have is that my gut reads are awesome, but JJD's play this game is throwing me off after playing with him in the newbie game. he was town then and hes playing way differently here so yea. read BH's analysis of why you are scummy, i have nothing less or more to add to it except whats in my filter. its pretty spot on. as for s0lstice its all in my filter, ive given like 3 massive posts on it so yea >> | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On May 25 2013 14:54 goodkarma wrote: So, let's please get out our scumreads, and plan out the upcoming days. I'm feeling a bit mindfucked right now trying to sort out this mess. I would argue neither of our lynches so far have been super-informative given how they were fairly uncontroversial / unanimous. What I'm fairly confident about right now is that myself (100%), Wave, and DP are town. Grush I'd put as town too, as the starsense thing seems to be his only towntell, and I'll have faith that he won't ruin it for himself. Then of the pool of remaining people I find it a little hard to fathom Solstice playing this well as scum having never played it before. He's stayed uncontroversial / unnoticed for the most part for sure, but he's still been semi-helpful / pro-town for most of the game, as well as fairly active. I'm leaning on him being town, but I could definitely be wrong. Then we have this mess: Stutters/JJD/Vayne/Marv Stutters again has had no scumgame. But what I find peculiar about his play this game is that while he seems to be rather unapologetic about being afk most the time in other games (as best I can tell anyway... I'll confess I skimmed pretty hard here. If I'm wrong feel free to point it out.), here he seems to have conjured up multiple IRL excuses. As though he needs to try extra-hard to validate with us that he's out doing other stuff, and that we need to excuse his inactivity. This just doesn't sit well with me, as well as how he seems to be certain at this point that I'm scum. That felt a bit out of nowhere to me, looking at his past postings. Also, how he made a comment about BH making a second scumslip, saying something like "get him boys." He seems to be taking hard lines when it comes to pushing lynches, which doesn't feel to me to be coming from town. JJD is just so terrible it boggles my mind. He definitely is not in sync with thread sentiment, and is content to do his own thing. I give him some townie points for this, since the kind of brazen stuff he's been doing just doesn't make much sense to me as scum. He's just been drawing soooo much attention to himself. And he's stood by what he's said for the most part. Further, he seemed genuinely investigative about the best move for today. From scum's perspective, SK is a threat that needs to be eliminated. In just about every scenario, I'd see them eagerly jumping onto the chance to get the SK lynched here, so I found that encouraging. You might be thinking why the 180 spin on opinion? He could definitely be scum, in that he is clearly not very up to speed with the thread to be coming to some of the conclusions he has. But being bad isn't the same as being scum, and right now I'm inclined towards believing he's bad town. I've completely re-read every filter and this is my conclusion right now. I mean he could just be a lurky scum with no real concern with keeping up with thread or trying, but bad town feels more likely. As for Vayne, I've already mentioned the BH thing. I don't get how you just say something to the extent of this is wrong, and then try so very little to switch others' viewpoints to your candidate. Instead, you sit there and say something like "this is the most anticipated flip," as in you really don't care if BH gets lynched. Further, that he seems to be unconcerned with the very dire situation we're in now, and that his chief concern seems to be to get me lynched to the exclusion of determining all scum (which is very necessary for us to do at this point) is something I find unsettling. Marv seems to have fallen into complete complacency, which is the exact opposite of what a town Marv should be doing. Further, he's cited who thought he was town as some kind of credential when his play should be speaking to that (a small point, but it stuck out to me). Finally, he doesn't seem to be pursuing scumreads very aggressively. I don't know what this yuck stuff is about, but when town's on the verge of losing, I'd fully expect much more from him. And maybe town Marv can be apathetic, but given we need to work to find ALL THE SCUM, I'd say he's someone to look into. It is very unsettling to me how little he's been doing to turn this around. The scumteam I propose is Stutters/Vayne/Marv. I don't feel super-confident about this, but given everything I've looked at this is the best I have. Please do comment on this. We absolutely need to figure out our plan for the upcoming days now, and not put it off. I like your analysis. I think this makes you much more likely to be town. And while I can see where you are coming from with the marv stuff I am pretty sure marv is town. Like a scum marv could just keep posting and fake scum reads. There is no reason for marv to be complacent as either alignment but i can certainly understand if town marv is demoralised and apathetic. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On May 25 2013 14:54 goodkarma wrote: Then of the pool of remaining people I find it a little hard to fathom Solstice playing this well as scum having never played it before. He's stayed uncontroversial / unnoticed for the most part for sure, but he's still been semi-helpful / pro-town for most of the game, as well as fairly active. I'm leaning on him being town, but I could definitely be wrong. This is actually really insightful from GK and reading through his filter a very accurate conclusion, where i disagree is his conclusion. That is exactly the kind of things I look out for when I look for scum. I actually think we should lynch s0lstice. What do you think marv? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 25 2013 18:16 DarthPunk wrote: This is actually really insightful from GK and reading through his filter a very accurate conclusion, where i disagree is his conclusion. That is exactly the kind of things I look out for when I look for scum. I actually think we should lynch s0lstice. What do you think marv? I actually think s0lstice is town, partly from his general play, partly from the really dumb fight he got into with me. As a general note about myself, I'm not apathetic, this is the lynch we need to make today and there's a reasonably decent chance we won't even be here tomorrow to find de mafioso. If we are around tomorrow to do so, then we can look in earnest. I only reference the players who thought I was blates town because it should be pretty obvious I'm town, and it's obvious enough that other players agreed with me. GK's characterisation of my play is terribly weak. Thing is, GK, I can easily make some 1000 word post talking about every player in the game and coming to any conclusion I like. That's really really easy. You continually make these large list posts calling townies mafia. You don't actually push anything for shit, GK. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On May 25 2013 19:07 marvellosity wrote: I'll look into s0lstice more if town is alive after the night, though. I just have no strong feelings about him. And usually that is something which signals scum to me. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On May 25 2013 14:49 DarthPunk wrote: See stuff like this is why I think you're scum. This is the 2nd time you said untrue stuff to try and make me look bad. The first was when you talked about my meta. Please explain what you mean by "all he has done is sheep the popular lynches" because that's completely untrue. Pretty good. Day one I wanted to lynch him but was convinced by s0lstice that he should be given time to contribute. Then all he has done is sheep the popular lynches whilst making a weak as shit case/push on me who should be read as town even though i got lazy after the blazinghand lynch. Also can you tell me why you "should be read as town"? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
On May 25 2013 22:14 JarJarDrinks wrote: See stuff like this is why I think you're scum. This is the 2nd time you said untrue stuff to try and make me look bad. The first was when you talked about my meta. Please explain what you mean by "all he has done is sheep the popular lynches" because that's completely untrue. Also can you tell me why you "should be read as town"? Well is it untrue? you went along with the BH lynch even though it was being pushed HARD by your number one scum read. now you are going along with the DI lynch even though your number one scum read is pushing for a DI lynch. And despite talking about me being your number one scum read for a while you actually haven't pushed for my lynch at all. You scum bro. maybe read about why everyone else thinks i'm town if you genuinely want to know. Also BH said I was town when i was pushing hard for his mislynch so I don't know why the fuck YOU would NOT think I am town | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On May 25 2013 22:25 DarthPunk wrote: Well is it untrue? you went along with the BH lynch even though it was being pushed HARD by your number one scum read. now you are going along with the DI lynch even though your number one scum read is pushing for a DI lynch. And despite talking about me being your number one scum read for a while you actually haven't pushed for my lynch at all. You scum bro. maybe read about why everyone else thinks i'm town if you genuinely want to know. Also BH said I was town when i was pushing hard for his mislynch so I don't know why the fuck YOU would NOT think I am town I could definitely see a JJD scum but both sides want DI dead. If scum don't they can't really push it without outing themselves so I don't really think him agreeing with DI is a point one way or the other. | ||
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