marv is right about the JK not being hit 3 nights in a row being very unlikely. I think blocking dandel is a pretty good idea though if we have a solid scum lynch that is literally more solid than dandel being SK.

Because if we mislynch we prob lose so we better be fucking sure of ourselves. I'm not sure of anything right now GK could well be town and DI isn't scum so who the fuck are the 3-4 scum in this town? that should be the question on everyones minds.

like if I had to say who was likely to be scum right now it would be maybe s0lstice and JJD and rayn. But i am fucking unsure about that.

So yeah we need to find the scum before we decide to not lynch a SK based on numbers assuming we are lynching scum.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

May 24 2013 17:55 GMT

#2465

Yeah lynch rayn imo, amirite? :3

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 24 2013 17:58 GMT

#2466

On May 25 2013 02:41 Stutters695 wrote:
Are there any instances of 3p kp being factional or is that a non-factor?

Like how mafia occasionally has kp that no one actually carries out so you can't RB to stop it. I don't see how DIs wincon is attainable like this and it bothers me.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

May 24 2013 17:59 GMT

#2467

Thanks for your moral support stutters.

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

May 24 2013 18:03 GMT

#2468

is the scum KP factional? or is it assigned to one member of the scum team to carry out? if the latter, can a presumed jailkeeper stop the kill by jailing the member of the scum team performing the kill?

DarthPunk

Australia10854 Posts

May 24 2013 18:04 GMT

#2469

On May 25 2013 02:58 Stutters695 wrote:

Show nested quote +

Like how mafia occasionally has kp that no one actually carries out so you can't RB to stop it. I don't see how DIs wincon is attainable like this and it bothers me.

He knew he was gonna be under the pump and his play was irredeemable. So he claimed in the hope we keep him alive.

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

May 24 2013 18:22 GMT

#2470

when you say rayn, i assume you are talking about vayne...yes DP?

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

May 24 2013 19:00 GMT

#2471

On May 25 2013 02:58 Stutters695 wrote:

Show nested quote +

Like how mafia occasionally has kp that no one actually carries out so you can't RB to stop it. I don't see how DIs wincon is attainable like this and it bothers me.

Ok I sort of understand what you were getting at.
I'm pretty sure SK kills are always blockable, and yeah his claim was supposedly to create some sort of a scenario in which he could play both sides against each other to a possible win. I've never seen that work out before though (OO in one of my NMM games tried this and failed, 3P won in LX witout claiming).

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 24 2013 19:35 GMT

#2472

Yeah, I figured that was the case, just figured it wouldn't hurt to ask.

Well the situation is pretty grim.

If we lynch DI we need to stop the NK or get endgamed.

If we lynch scum we get in the awkward position of hoping they never hit the JK if we go with the JK stopping DI until endgame:
5-4-1 (5-3-1), 4-3-1 (4-2-1), 3-2-1(3-1-1), 2-1-1(2-0-1)

Unless we get to 2-1-1 with the JK alive we lose. Those aren't good odds.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 24 2013 19:52 GMT

#2473

The best bet would probably be to do nothing with DI and force scum to deal with him. For him to have any chance at all he obviously must shoot scum tonight. The mafia are going to be after the JK either way and he can just try to save the scum nk. Seems like the best option unless there is no chance of relying on DI to take a good shot, which is pretty much his only way to possibly win himself. If he can't be relied on for a night we have yo take a chance somewhere. Any suggestions?

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

May 24 2013 20:01 GMT

#2474

If we lynch scum today and not Dandel, he has to shoot town so as to avoid a 4-2-1 situation where he gets lynched for free. With the JK blocking him, it doesn't matter anyway, and we are at 4-3-1...and then we continue down the tree Marv wrote out earlier...and then probably lose

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

May 24 2013 20:06 GMT

#2475

On May 25 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Because the block still goes through on the night of his death.

yeah he needs 4 blocks total

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

May 24 2013 20:07 GMT

#2476

people like stutters need to stop suggesting stupid plans. it's annoying.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

May 24 2013 20:31 GMT

#2477

yo were lynching dandel and thats pretty much all there is to it. lets start looking towards the future assuming we dont get endgamed.

On May 22 2013 13:14 Spicydinosaur wrote:

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On May 22 2013 13:03 goodkarma wrote:

On May 22 2013 12:37 Spicydinosaur wrote:
No response gk? See this is what im talking about with your popping in and out.

On May 22 2013 11:48 Spicydinosaur wrote:

On May 22 2013 11:39 goodkarma wrote:

On May 22 2013 11:34 Spicydinosaur wrote:

On May 22 2013 11:24 Blazinghand wrote:

On May 22 2013 10:59 Spicydinosaur wrote:
With the focus on BH today, I feel a lot of players are taking the safe path today by not posting much and coasting to the vote. Very scummy.

Spicydino is absolutely correct. If my lynch is a sure thing, then so be it-- but let's not be silent, let's use our time. I will be a confirmed town player in like 20 hours, but that doesn't mean we can't do anything beforehand.

you seem to agree with my read on GK. what do you think of my most recent case on him?

I'm not a huge fan of meta arguments by themselves. If there are meta arguments + substantive claims in the current game then I could go along with it. I think GK is scummy as fuck but for different reasons.

Care to elaborate on said different reasons?

Not checking your role pm, your popping in and out of the thread and the frequency of your posts is troubling, especially today. Your read on me was garbage, as well as your read on stutters. Your unwillingness to tell us your view on the 3P seems like a stall. Lastly, Rayne was mostly focused on you D1 and now he's dead. All this adds up to you being scummy. '

Thanks for your quick response, but there really isn't much for me to address here. When you mention the role PM thing I'm assuming you're saying you think I was lying, which I've already addressed. My read on you had some very valid points. How is what I said about you garbage when you BLATANLY misrepresent your read on sputnik, and mis-speak who you're talking about on MULTIPLE occasions? At the very least, that is a CLEAR sign of a lack of investment in this game.

As for 3P stuff, BH is getting lynched today, and when I do present my case I would like to do it right. I'm not going to rush it because you're angwy. I probably should have just kept it to myself until I post it, as this kind of thing inevitably happens, but rest assured it will be out there long before it needs to be considered for next lynch.

As for this popping in and out thing, I don't respond to everything. Especially when arguements I've already replied to are similar to the ones being brought up now (such as stupid meta cases), or the answer to the questions are in my filter but people are too damned ignorant/lazy to look into it. And I may not be the most super-active guy in thread right now, but I'm comfortable with the direction of the game (outside of course this sentiment that I'm scum). Dandel and JJB should be lynched. I will be providing a bit more discussion on Dandel, but JJB has been discussed to death by both myself and others here in thread. And the 3P thing I'll get to during next night cycle.

Thank you for confirming you are scum. You aren't going to rush your analysis because I'm angry? First of all I'm not angry and for you to assume so is scummy. You are artificially creating an excuse to not give out information. You say that BH is going to be lynched but want to wait to give out more info... why? Why not try to find out if there is a 3p killer now and not in the next cycle.

Oh and my read on sputnik? dead on

At this point I'm more sure that GK is scum more than I am BH.

##vote: goodkarma

Spicy even though he rarely had any interactions/thoughts bounced back with BH still opted to try and lynch GK with me, leaving back some weak analysis on GK being more scum than BH.

Now that we know he just flipped cop I think he was trying to breadcrumb us towards GK incase he died.
I think after we kill DL we need to seriously consider lynching him after letting him go by for 3 straight days.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

May 24 2013 20:34 GMT

#2478

Looking back through his filter he also suspected JJD early but then drops it so I don't think he ever cop checked him, just a suspicion of his. Would be good to look into jailing either of these.