[M][N] Les Mafia - Page 12

On May 24 2013 22:27 marvellosity wrote:


Serial Killers on TL often have at least a one-shot bulletproof protection. I don't see why the SK would be defenceless here.

And again, if there were 4 mafia and we killed mafia (5-4-1 -> 5-3-1) then mafia would shoot at town for aforementioned likely bulletproof reason (so 4-3-1) and then SK is forced to shoot at town otherwise a 4-2-1 situation arises where town gets to lynch the SK for free.

On May 25 2013 02:58 Stutters695 wrote:

Like how mafia occasionally has kp that no one actually carries out so you can't RB to stop it. I don't see how DIs wincon is attainable like this and it bothers me.

On May 25 2013 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:

GK tomorrow, that's a sure lynch. The only concern was if he was scum or 3p and he's obviously not 3p now. There is no doubt in my mind he was anti-town (especially after talking with BH) and was my second choice behind DI.

After him I'm more unsure but I'd say between s0l and JJD. I need to filter dive that one, this is just my current thoughts. If we make it to LYLO(2-1) and Marv is alive I'm giving him some strong consideration. This isn't the Marv I expected, especially his lack of interactions with BH D2. He was uncharacteristically quiet and its just slightly off. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but it's weird and worth checking out.

On May 25 2013 14:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:

I think that if there's 4 scum then Marv is most likely one of em. But it doesn't really matter because we lose.

My top scum read is darthpunk and then I guess grush.

On May 25 2013 14:13 WaveofShadow wrote:

DP how would you feel about lynching this guy after DI?

On May 25 2013 14:54 goodkarma wrote:
So, let's please get out our scumreads, and plan out the upcoming days.

I'm feeling a bit mindfucked right now trying to sort out this mess. I would argue neither of our lynches so far have been super-informative given how they were fairly uncontroversial / unanimous.

What I'm fairly confident about right now is that myself (100%), Wave, and DP are town. Grush I'd put as town too, as the starsense thing seems to be his only towntell, and I'll have faith that he won't ruin it for himself.

Then of the pool of remaining people I find it a little hard to fathom Solstice playing this well as scum having never played it before. He's stayed uncontroversial / unnoticed for the most part for sure, but he's still been semi-helpful / pro-town for most of the game, as well as fairly active. I'm leaning on him being town, but I could definitely be wrong.

Then we have this mess:
Stutters/JJD/Vayne/Marv

Stutters again has had no scumgame. But what I find peculiar about his play this game is that while he seems to be rather unapologetic about being afk most the time in other games (as best I can tell anyway... I'll confess I skimmed pretty hard here. If I'm wrong feel free to point it out.), here he seems to have conjured up multiple IRL excuses. As though he needs to try extra-hard to validate with us that he's out doing other stuff, and that we need to excuse his inactivity. This just doesn't sit well with me, as well as how he seems to be certain at this point that I'm scum. That felt a bit out of nowhere to me, looking at his past postings. Also, how he made a comment about BH making a second scumslip, saying something like "get him boys." He seems to be taking hard lines when it comes to pushing lynches, which doesn't feel to me to be coming from town.

JJD is just so terrible it boggles my mind. He definitely is not in sync with thread sentiment, and is content to do his own thing. I give him some townie points for this, since the kind of brazen stuff he's been doing just doesn't make much sense to me as scum. He's just been drawing soooo much attention to himself. And he's stood by what he's said for the most part. Further, he seemed genuinely investigative about the best move for today. From scum's perspective, SK is a threat that needs to be eliminated. In just about every scenario, I'd see them eagerly jumping onto the chance to get the SK lynched here, so I found that encouraging.

You might be thinking why the 180 spin on opinion? He could definitely be scum, in that he is clearly not very up to speed with the thread to be coming to some of the conclusions he has. But being bad isn't the same as being scum, and right now I'm inclined towards believing he's bad town. I've completely re-read every filter and this is my conclusion right now. I mean he could just be a lurky scum with no real concern with keeping up with thread or trying, but bad town feels more likely.

As for Vayne, I've already mentioned the BH thing. I don't get how you just say something to the extent of this is wrong, and then try so very little to switch others' viewpoints to your candidate. Instead, you sit there and say something like "this is the most anticipated flip," as in you really don't care if BH gets lynched. Further, that he seems to be unconcerned with the very dire situation we're in now, and that his chief concern seems to be to get me lynched to the exclusion of determining all scum (which is very necessary for us to do at this point) is something I find unsettling.

Marv seems to have fallen into complete complacency, which is the exact opposite of what a town Marv should be doing. Further, he's cited who thought he was town as some kind of credential when his play should be speaking to that (a small point, but it stuck out to me). Finally, he doesn't seem to be pursuing scumreads very aggressively. I don't know what this yuck stuff is about, but when town's on the verge of losing, I'd fully expect much more from him. And maybe town Marv can be apathetic, but given we need to work to find ALL THE SCUM, I'd say he's someone to look into. It is very unsettling to me how little he's been doing to turn this around.

The scumteam I propose is Stutters/Vayne/Marv. I don't feel super-confident about this, but given everything I've looked at this is the best I have. Please do comment on this. We absolutely need to figure out our plan for the upcoming days now, and not put it off.

On May 25 2013 14:54 goodkarma wrote:
Then of the pool of remaining people I find it a little hard to fathom Solstice playing this well as scum having never played it before. He's stayed uncontroversial / unnoticed for the most part for sure, but he's still been semi-helpful / pro-town for most of the game, as well as fairly active. I'm leaning on him being town, but I could definitely be wrong.

On May 25 2013 19:07 marvellosity wrote:
I'll look into s0lstice more if town is alive after the night, though.

On May 25 2013 22:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
See stuff like this is why I think you're scum. This is the 2nd time you said untrue stuff to try and make me look bad. The first was when you talked about my meta. Please explain what you mean by "all he has done is sheep the popular lynches" because that's completely untrue.

Also can you tell me why you "should be read as town"?

On May 26 2013 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't even explain it. It's one of those 'too easy' vibes. Every lynch thus far has just been a pile on with almost no effort required whatsoever.
Somebody talk to me.

On May 26 2013 03:07 marvellosity wrote:
So, are we to judge you by your reads so far GK, like you proclaimed earlier in the game?

On May 26 2013 03:57 grush57 wrote:
Sigh I guess it's too late, I'm not totally sure Dandel is scum but whatever

On May 26 2013 06:33 s0Lstice wrote:
Here now, caught up.

I did put in work on the filters like I promised, but all I came out of it with was town reads that I felt good about. I wasn't sure that was even worth sharing, given our situation. It's been pretty difficult to get motivated knowing that our chances for winning are on a wing and a prayer with the lucky JK save. I've looked some more though, and I do have something.

I feel good about WoS and Stutters being town. These two have shown consistent interest in still trying to solve the game, even with our chances being bleak.

With that flip, I really think DP and Marv are scum. I've about had it with the 'I'm town because X said so' argument. Marv and DP have been guilty of this repeatedly. Think of it like this..what is the point of even saying that? We are at a point where everyone needs to be re-evaluating town reads, because nobody is having an easy time finding a place for the scum team to fit on their spreadsheets. Everyone who is town at this should no longer be satisfied with 'Marv is town because iamp and BH said so,' or Marv saying 'I'm town, it's so obvious.' It's not good enough....we are well past the time of free passes. If you want to convince somebody that somebody else, or you, is town, reasoning needs to be provided. These two don't seem to care to provide any.

I think GK is scum, or potentially the SK. He started the game with cases on grush and stutters (lurkers at that point), a terrible meta case on JJ, and most of the stuff he has taken a stance on (especially the most recent stuff) he has folded on like origami. He's pushed nothing, and really comes off like even he doesn't believe what he is saying.

On May 26 2013 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
DP do you honestly still think marv is 100% town?
You I am sure of. Him I am not.