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On May 23 2013 15:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
Not really no, its like his 3rd or 4th martyr post. He's grasping at straws if he's saying im suspicious because I didnt vote for BH. I have said since the beginning I did not think BH was mafia since I do not play by meta or setup bias. I was not wishy washy at all in my stance and hes trying to say that having my vote on him is suspicious? Give me a break. As for the rest of it its just stuff thats already been said before with a sprinkle of martyr in it.
Didn't sway me one bit.
Yeha but the thing is that goodkarma seems legitimately pissed off about being 'misread'.
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Yea his emotion is a towntell for me as well, but his martyring is a scumtell.
I mean he's not even set to be lynched, doesn't even have a vote on him and hes already being defensive/martyring?
maybe im a shitty player or maybe this is just that obvious.
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I have to go to bed now, really late here. I will be here to discuss again later.
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On May 23 2013 15:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
Yea his emotion is a towntell for me as well, but his martyring is a scumtell.
I mean he's not even set to be lynched, doesn't even have a vote on him and hes already being defensive/martyring?
maybe im a shitty player or maybe this is just that obvious.
It's pretty obvious he is a major target, and he had to defend himself since day one. TBH I would much rather lynch dandle for ninja voting and full trolling after BH flipped green.
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On May 23 2013 16:01 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 15:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
Yea his emotion is a towntell for me as well, but his martyring is a scumtell.
I mean he's not even set to be lynched, doesn't even have a vote on him and hes already being defensive/martyring?
maybe im a shitty player or maybe this is just that obvious.
It's pretty obvious he is a major target, and he had to defend himself since day one. TBH I would much rather lynch dandle for ninja voting and full trolling after BH flipped green.
I'm glad your thoughts and mine are aligning on this one.
Suddenly not so sure of GK's alignment, lol.
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You don't want to lynch me, I have invested in pox.
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There's a reason both flipped relevant townies have been adamant I'm town, mainly because I'm town and it should be pretty obvious. BH was adamant I was town even while I was meandering towards his mislynch, for god's sake.
Vayne, to say I've been disinterested is an incredible stretch.
On May 23 2013 15:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
Yea his emotion is a towntell for me as well, but his martyring is a scumtell.
I mean he's not even set to be lynched, doesn't even have a vote on him and hes already being defensive/martyring?
maybe im a shitty player or maybe this is just that obvious.
This isn't really true, almost the whole game finds him suspicious, the just-flipped town had him as his main scumread. It's almost a 'designated' lynch, and that in itself is worrying.
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GK actually has relevant points about Spicy, he's been niggling me for a while.
Probably everyone forgot by now but the whole "sputnik is a scumread" -> "sputnik is playing too scummily to be scum" is something pretty concerning really.
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I'll tell you what I dislike *most* about GK's post though - he keeps trying to make the argument that the part of the meta case against him is mostly drawn from similarities to his scumgames, when in reality it's actually the differences between his town-game philosophy and here that is the strongest point.
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On May 23 2013 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
GK actually has relevant points about Spicy, he's been niggling me for a while.
Probably everyone forgot by now but the whole "sputnik is a scumread" -> "sputnik is playing too scummily to be scum" is something pretty concerning really.
I said I was getting a scum read on him but that he's playing to scummy so he'll probably flip town. Which is what happened. My wording or phrasing may suck but my ultimate read on him was right.
GK's paragraph on me was just rehashing old issues that have already been talked about with the exception of the 3p sk issue which everyone is pure speculating on at this point.
I'm still uncomfortable with GK not giving his opinion out because he claimed I was angry.
On May 22 2013 13:03 goodkarma wrote:
As for 3P stuff, BH is getting lynched today, and when I do present my case I would like to do it right. I'm not going to rush it because you're angwy. I probably should have just kept it to myself until I post it, as this kind of thing inevitably happens, but rest assured it will be out there long before it needs to be considered for next lynch.
At this point I could lynch Dandel over GK next day. At least GK is responding to posts and constructing arguments.
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The point is, if you think he'll flip town, it's not a scumread.
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On May 23 2013 21:26 marvellosity wrote:
The point is, if you think he'll flip town, it's not a scumread.
I already defended this so I'll just repost it
On May 20 2013 04:18 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Its a scum read because he's been absolutely horrible that has done nothing to help town but i felt that he would be a better vig shot thanhim lynch brcause of seeingthe votes.
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K, My boss is on vacation for the rest of the week so I have alot of time the next 2 days. Gonna go reread everything from BH because I was pretty much writing off everything he had to say as scumtalk.
I'll be posting thoughts shortly.
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On May 23 2013 21:35 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 21:26 marvellosity wrote:
The point is, if you think he'll flip town, it's not a scumread. I already defended this so I'll just repost it Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 04:18 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Its a scum read because he's been absolutely horrible that has done nothing to help town but i felt that he would be a better vig shot thanhim lynch brcause of seeingthe votes.
You think a scumread will flip scum, by definition.
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On May 23 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 21:35 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 23 2013 21:26 marvellosity wrote:
The point is, if you think he'll flip town, it's not a scumread. I already defended this so I'll just repost it On May 20 2013 04:18 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Its a scum read because he's been absolutely horrible that has done nothing to help town but i felt that he would be a better vig shot thanhim lynch brcause of seeingthe votes. You think a scumread will flip scum, by definition.
then i was using a different definition, thought it was similar to scummy.
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Alright after a fuckhole of a day yesterday, I'm back. Ever had a dental hygenist go to town on your gums so hard you've had a headache all day?
I'm not sure what to say about the BH flip aside from the fact that he essentially made me rage so fucking hard I assumed he was scum, since I know that's BH's scum MO. I may have also been slightly biased toward this due to recent interactions in [REDACTED]. It just made me so fucking angry that I had obvious doubts about him all throughout the day before and he'd say things like I was 'fishing for reasons to attack him' and that I was putting no effort into my cases and that I wasn't reading. If he had spent actual time reading into what I had said rather than ignoring me and putting his time towards everyone else I imagine our discussion would have gone better. It just made it seem like he was lying about things that were obvious to me just to piss me off, and I have seen him do that before as scum.
Anyway, BH's forcing me to look at GK one more time has me in trouble. His meta case is good which I admitted (though in my rage kind of ignored). Problem is I am nowhere near as good at meta as many other people, and so I try not to put as much stock in it. WHen I go through GK's filter I find places where he has put forth all sorts of effort yet he has done the absolute scummiest things imaginable. Based on recent experiences that almost wants to make me lean town on him but I wouldn't trust me read on him atm.
What do people suggest we do considering he doesn't even seem to want to participate atm?
(If people don't want to lynch him (GK) tomorrow I would 100% lynch Dandel. Still non-stop trolling though something about the timing of his most recent troll has me a little worried.)
JJD if you're around I'd like to talk to you as well since I haven't looked at anyone in a while and still had you as a scumread.
I will be around more or less all day (I think?) so I am ready and willing to interact with anyone and everyone in whatever way will be helpful. (Alternatively if people want to fuck off until daypost, I will post reads in case I die, though with BH's death accusations I doubt anyone he's named is going anywhere.)
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On May 23 2013 22:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
(If people don't want to lynch him (GK) tomorrow I would 100% lynch Dandel. Still non-stop trolling though something about the timing of his most recent troll has me a little worried.)
What about the timing?
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On May 23 2013 06:03 marvellosity wrote:
hey SK if you exist, you need to shoot for mafia tonight.
On May 23 2013 06:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
huehue
Why would scum ever do this? Why directly draw attention to yourself when you've basically successfully lurked through the entire game thus far? Like....his play hasn't been even remotely what could be called townplay (marv you're free to disagree) so...3P? Who was it who thought GK was 3P?
Maybe Dandel is purposefully psuedo-revealing himself because he knows he's in the shit too?
I just don't understand Dandel's play at all so this is an explanation that seems to make sense to me. Thoughts?
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On May 23 2013 23:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 06:03 marvellosity wrote:
hey SK if you exist, you need to shoot for mafia tonight. Why would scum ever do this? Why directly draw attention to yourself when you've basically successfully lurked through the entire game thus far? Like....his play hasn't been even remotely what could be called townplay (marv you're free to disagree) so...3P? Who was it who thought GK was 3P? Maybe Dandel is purposefully psuedo-revealing himself because he knows he's in the shit too? I just don't understand Dandel's play at all so this is an explanation that seems to make sense to me. Thoughts?
I'm with you on Dandel's play, just dont get it. I had a theory that GK was 3P but it was pure spec based off of rayne's death. Won't really know if there is a 3P unless we get 2 night kills again.
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