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On May 23 2013 11:03 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 11:01 VayneAuthority wrote:
fair enough, I think i've been pretty pro town but if you have any doubts about me voice them and ill address them. Marv is "pro-town" as mafia as well, so that doesn't mean much to me. I feel like you've constantly dodged contributing with this idea that your NK analysis is so important. Your stance on the day 1 lynch was also weird and seems suspicious in that you come in at the eleventh hour just to berate town for bandwagoning on a lurker without giving any reason we shouldn't lynch him.
Recall that im not playing a self-fulfilling prophecy here; nowhere have I said that I only play based on night killings. Thats only for the first day. It is other people that joked/made fun of me that made this stereotype come to light. I have said in multiple games multiple times that lynching lurkers day 1 is stupid and I would rather just no lynch then kill off some one just because they haven't posted. I put my vote on GK and did not approve of the lurker bandwagon as I felt it was mafia fueled. I have given plenty of reasons on who we should lynch and why but it goes largely unnoticed since no one takes me seriously.
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Activity is a huge portion of Marv's town game. I'm trying to remember which game it was but I played one with him where he had almost half the games filter(maybe not quite, but it sure as fuck felt like it) but was seen as scummy because he didn't give a shit. Regardless I agree with BHs read for now but if we start getting into late game and he hasn't figured it out/have a handle on things or doesn't resume his usual activity he needs to die. Worry about it later if he doesn't get nk'd in the meantime imo.
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He does have 18 pages of filter.
Again, I'm not advocating lynching Marv, but I've said all game not to sleep on him or DP, and neither of them inspires much confidence in me right now.
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Vayne-- the thing is this. as we lose more and more townies, your vote becomes increasingly important. I had you as town for everything up until the BH flip, and I really don't think a re-read is gonna change that (we'll see). don't be afraid to do what works best for you to catch mafia, but more importantly, listen to/read what others have to say. make this thread your bible. I want to win this game, and I know you want to as well.
Stutters-- did you read Hapa's case on Marv that iamp linked? Marv is an excellent player, and it's not going to fit like a glove every time, but it has a lot of good insights.
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On May 23 2013 11:18 yamato77 wrote:
He does have 18 pages of filter.
Again, I'm not advocating lynching Marv, but I've said all game not to sleep on him or DP, and neither of them inspires much confidence in me right now.
Take that back about DP. I feel rather similarly to how he feels tonight. Seems townish to admit that he doubted his read.
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I have s0l. Sorry for going back to this, but especially with Marv I need time to do that so expect something Friday. I'm just saying I've played directly with an ambivalent Marv and he was town. He just didn't really care that game. Much of that read too relied on mechanics not present I'm this game.
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On May 23 2013 11:25 Stutters695 wrote:
I have s0l. Sorry for going back to this, but especially with Marv I need time to do that so expect something Friday. I'm just saying I've played directly with an ambivalent Marv and he was town. He just didn't really care that game. Much of that read too relied on mechanics not present I'm this game.
Ok that's something. I need to look at my past games with him, and all his past games (gulp). I just have this expectation of Marv to be an over-achiever all the time when he's town, and if it's unreasonable, it's unreasonable.
Marv has just been a sort of blind spot for me this game, and I need to correct it.
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On May 23 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 11:18 yamato77 wrote:
He does have 18 pages of filter.
Again, I'm not advocating lynching Marv, but I've said all game not to sleep on him or DP, and neither of them inspires much confidence in me right now. Take that back about DP. I feel rather similarly to how he feels tonight. Seems townish to admit that he doubted his read.
I would disagree under this context. Many people claimed to doubt their read afterwards, him doing so is just to fit in. I'm highly suspect of all lyncher's remorse. Especially after that lynch.
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On May 23 2013 11:31 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:On May 23 2013 11:18 yamato77 wrote:
He does have 18 pages of filter.
Again, I'm not advocating lynching Marv, but I've said all game not to sleep on him or DP, and neither of them inspires much confidence in me right now. Take that back about DP. I feel rather similarly to how he feels tonight. Seems townish to admit that he doubted his read. I would disagree under this context. Many people claimed to doubt their read afterwards, him doing so is just to fit in. I'm highly suspect of all lyncher's remorse. Especially after that lynch.
I admitted I wasn't sure of the lynch the whole day. I think it was normal to feel that way. Why would DP admitting post-hoc be so weird?
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There is no way in my mind that DP is mafia, how he reacted to the whole thing was very town-like. He thought he got scum for sure and was actually shocked when BH flipped town; It didn't look pre-meditated at all. I think he legitimately just made a mistake.
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On May 23 2013 11:34 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 11:31 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 23 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:On May 23 2013 11:18 yamato77 wrote:
He does have 18 pages of filter.
Again, I'm not advocating lynching Marv, but I've said all game not to sleep on him or DP, and neither of them inspires much confidence in me right now. Take that back about DP. I feel rather similarly to how he feels tonight. Seems townish to admit that he doubted his read. I would disagree under this context. Many people claimed to doubt their read afterwards, him doing so is just to fit in. I'm highly suspect of all lyncher's remorse. Especially after that lynch. I admitted I wasn't sure of the lynch the whole day. I think it was normal to feel that way. Why would DP admitting post-hoc be so weird?
I'm not singling him out specifically but everyone that expressed doubt. With only 2 people not voting to lynch BH, there HAS to be scum on the vote. Plus there was very little activity by a lot of players because they could just coast the vote.
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EBWOP: ignore everything mentioning DP, I was thinking dandel. though my general sentiment on post lynch remorse is the same.
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dandel did not express remorse...
he did a brazilian laugh
are you sure that's what you mean?
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Yeah I just checked. When yamato posted that I remembered some people posting post lynch remorse and thought dandel was one of them but yeah he just laughed.
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S0L if you are still around, what are your views on grush?
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Hard to say. I want to say the starsenses meta should apply until it breaks. Grush knows the stakes for lying about it, as its largely the only thing that keeps him from being a frequent policy lynch.
That said, he has been nearly invisible after being forced to say it. That is significant. I've been following Carnival loosely as well, and he is posting a lot more over there.
I really don't know. Usually when I play with him, the only way I can feel good about his alignment is when we are voting the same guy. We were both on GK earlier, so I felt ok about him, but now with his absence I'm at something of a loss.
Marv supposedly has never mislynched him, so maybe he can provide some insight.
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I'm really uncomfortable with the starsenses thing. I feel he's not getting attention because of the whole BH slip and he's comfortable just lurking in the back. Maybe he's doing it just to survive until the end but it just doesn't seem helpful in the short term for town. He does the starsenses to be confirmed town, but then he's inactive to make him a poor mafia kill. It feels very self centered in a game like mafia, especially with his level of activity so far. Also seems he's going to get another pass tomorrow when we are going to focus mostly on GK and dandel.
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Tbh, between BH (and probably myself in the near future), this game is pretty much over for town. I've kinda stopped caring if I get mislynched. If it takes a game for you to realize that EVERY FUCKING GAME I GET RAILED FOR MY DAY ONE PLAY, and that THERE ISN'T SOME PROFOUND META SIMILARITY to my scumgames when one of them (LVII) I COULD PLAY NOT GIVING A FUCK THAT I'D GET CAUGHT since I'd suicide night one and I played the other one (NMM XXIII) SCARED AS FUCK, so be it... Honestly, I need a break from this game, and I need a break from mafia. I've voiced my frustration with how day one always seems to go a certain way. I don't care for some condescending lecture like omg you should read dat role PM next time, since this meta arguement hinges on me having read it and me lying... And honestly, I'm going to be doing that from now on. Don't really care about "sportsmanship." In the future I need to do something to keep you guys off my back long enough to develop my reads. The scummiest thing I've done since is not been proactively posting cases and stuff. I was very confident that BH was scum. That he'd pretty much afk from thread after the "scumslip" suggested to me he had given up as scum. When he came back and gave fairly wishy-washy readings on everyone with the exception of a push on me (who I know to be town), I was confident we'd caught scum...
As for who to push, you guys are already hellaconfident you have some kind of solid meta-read on me. So it really doesn't matter what I tell you until I flip. Further, you'd have to be pretty bad to not see Dandel is pretty much definite scum at this point. For that reason, I'm not going to make an extensive case or anything. I will be voting him tomorrow (assuming SK doesn't remove me from game), and afk from thread. I'd say to look really hard at the people pushing for my lynch to the exclusion of everything else. Again, Dandel comes to mind. Also look into Spicy. I know many of you for whatever reason think he's town but he's hardcore derped all game. As I said before it demonstrates a lack of investment in this game. Further, he's given an explanation for Rayne's death (I NK'ed him), which considering that pretty much everyone at some point that day wanted me dead seems pretty peculiar to me. There could definitely be no meaning behind who the SK killed, but I'd say it's more likely that there is. Rayne may have been chosen out of fear of him picking up on the play differences of someone he's had a history with, which has JJD come to mind too. All speculation though, so really shouldn't be a primary reason to be lynching people.
I'd also suggest you look into people who do things that feel a little off. Like Vayne's vote for me instead of BH felt off to me. Again, though this won't be even possible to you until you either clear your heads and consider a world where I might not be scum, or I flip.
A bit rambly, and I really don't feel like editing it like I usually do. Whatevs. At this point, my lynch order would be this:
Dandel-->JJD-->Spicy-->Vayne
I'd also take a careful look at Solstice. He seems to me to be very on top of staying out of the spotlight. He's contributed, but he definitely isn't sticking his neck out at all.
I'm checking out of thread. Cya
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does anyone look at that post by Goodkarma and read town. Cause i do.
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Not really no, its like his 3rd or 4th martyr post. He's grasping at straws if he's saying im suspicious because I didnt vote for BH. I have said since the beginning I did not think BH was mafia since I do not play by meta or setup bias. I was not wishy washy at all in my stance and hes trying to say that having my vote on him is suspicious? Give me a break. As for the rest of it its just stuff thats already been said before with a sprinkle of martyr in it.
Didn't sway me one bit.
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