Yeah I'm actually putting together a meta read on him. I'll make sure to get it in before the flip.

but in the meantime let me tide you over with this wonderful post from DrH in British Empire II

On March 06 2013 07:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yeah, I'm moving back to Dandel Ion. He was aggressive to begin with. And now he's playing scared and talking about the setup, something that might have been very carefully parsed in the scum QT. One of my rules of thumb is that the more familiar a player is with the rules/setup, the more carefully they have considered it, the more likely it is they are scum. Scum begin the game by talking about setup, considering their options (roleclaims, etc.) and asking a lot of questions to the host.

Blazinghand

United States25555 Posts

May 22 2013 18:55 GMT

#2127

Oh I guess that doesn't really make sense as a defense if you think I "slipped" that there are 3 scum, since that is a fact about the setup. It makes sense from my perspective though because I just wasn't aware of the game size lol

Blazinghand

United States25555 Posts

May 22 2013 19:05 GMT

#2128

I am more confident in my DI scumread than I was before rereading his filter. Like, after I flip, don't just be mad at people who thought I was scum (or thought I was town), take a look at people's reasoning. From what I can tell, Dandel is giving some kind of a townread on me, but here are his only mentions of me at all since the end of D1:

On May 21 2013 06:59 Dandel Ion wrote:
Why would a team around scum-BH shoot iamperfection, directly implicating him further?

Basically, that assumes that either a SK shot iamp, or he's getting bussed all the way. Otherwise it just makes no sense.

On May 22 2013 06:48 Dandel Ion wrote:
lol bh

and he responded to me once when I talked about who was online when the shot switched to iamp:

On May 22 2013 06:48 Dandel Ion wrote:
but good point on the switch onto iamp

although, i guess as was pointed out, it's technically possible he was the shot all along, albeit unlikely, seeing as Hapa is not on the player list

but he has not mentioned his GK scumread, and despite the fact that he's implied some evidence makes me look townie, he has not stated his read on me, or voted for me or GK today. He's had plenty of time, and is doing a decent job of staying above the activity threshold

now far be it from me to say that someone is being too inactive to contribute in such an inactive town, but dandel ion who i guess thinks i'm town(?) and has his top scumread as the counterwagon to my unstoppable lynch wagon (GK), has not weighed in, has not voted, has not responded to my case on GK, hasn't really said anything.

He's not literally inactive, i mean-- he's here, he's reading, he's responded to a post or two of mine. He's just not taking part in the discourse, not even the "beat up blazinghand all the time" discourse. He's scum.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 22 2013 19:12 GMT

#2129

I think you have 3 hours.

I'll prepare the eulogy.

Blazinghand

United States25555 Posts

May 22 2013 19:13 GMT

#2130

Thinking more about Dandel, a lot of the way he was caught in British Empire was that he was mostly omgusing townies and failed a distance/bussing attempt on his partner. He openly pushed scum objectives and was lynched for it. He didn't analyze, he just threw out reads and moved them around, trying to cause mislynches.

Contrast how he played in Red Team's Prize, where he is more often talking about one player at a time, asking people questions, and trying to gain information. This game he's done a lot of trolling and not a lot of trying to figure things out, as well as some weird vote-throwing. That being said, his attack on GK doesn't jive with my idea of how he's played scum. I won't draw an associative tell between unflipped players, but since I won't be alive to do so later, if GK flips town I consider this soft evidence for DI's scumminess. That being said, I anticipate GK flipping scum, which is probably null evidence for DI's scumminess-- he may have learned to bus since not bussing cost him the game in British Empire Mini II.

Blazinghand

United States25555 Posts

May 22 2013 19:14 GMT

#2131

On May 23 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote:
I think you have 3 hours.

I'll prepare the eulogy.

I actually will have to go before then! I'll be dropping in a final post in here a moment.

Blazinghand

United States25555 Posts

May 22 2013 19:23 GMT

#2132

So, I'm not going to be around for the flip. I'm going to start with my two big townreads.

Marvellosity is town. I have NEVER been more sure of someone being town in my mafia career. Also, he's the only guy who's like never mislynched grush

DarthPunk is town. I'm less sure of this, since he didn't do anything at all for all of D2 (not even really pressuring other people! But I think it's unlikely scum would get all on a townie for a perceived scumslip.

Scumreads:

[b]GK. We all know why. By met and activity and etc.

WoS is scum. He started shitting up the thread as soon as people unvoted me, he's been pushing scum agenda, etc etc.

DI is scum. scroll up to see.

yeah it's a list post, it wont' earn my any cred. GK > WoS > DI in terms of priority

Blazinghand

United States25555 Posts

May 22 2013 19:23 GMT

#2133

gg gl i got jubjubbed this game

Blazinghand

United States25555 Posts

May 22 2013 19:27 GMT

#2134

oh ONE FINAL HEURISTIC

don't look at who votes me and who doesn't

look at what people said, look at their history of whether they believe in scumslips

if they were playing or observing in STtrm Mafia II or Mario Mini where I played like this

WHY they think they are voting me

what they did during D2 when movement was slow

this is the most important, the meanings behind the actions, not the actions themselves

consistency in their beliefs-- is this what they would think