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On May 09 2013 10:53 ObviousOne wrote: VE is in this game. I think I have to in. I'm totes baller enough to Fuck it. DO IT LIVE! /in Fixed. | ||
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Don't take notes. Reread. Everything. All the time. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://justintimberlake.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/mother-lover.jpg) Happy Mother's Day guys. | ||
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I tend to agree with OO for now - ignore the claim and hunt for scum. You either believe his claim or you don't, because you know for a fact that a DT check on him WILL return "guilty" (because he's either town and telling the truth or scum). So let him do what he's going to do up until lynch time. If he's the scummiest dude, lynch him. EZPZ. Promethelax weakly supporting a policy lynch of DP is the scummiest thing in the thread imo. Like check out his language. "In a vacuum that's scummy", "we can figure it out" and "good candidate for policy lynch". Barely an opinion of his own at all in the whole thing. Am watching carefully. Am watching carefully. | ||
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I mean, I don't like when Prom rolls scum either, I hope I'm wrong. | ||
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You know...like in every game I've ever played ever. Welcome to my filter list Oats, I hope you have nothing to hide. | ||
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But as luck would have it, WoS was the first person I noticed people talking about and WoS was the first person I looked into. Facts:
There's some stank in his posting, which makes me rest a little easier, but frankly I'm not sure what to expect from a scumWoS in that regard. I think he's scummy and can kill him today. ##Vote: WaveofShadow | ||
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The "stank" I'm referring to is a confidence, an inner strength in his posting...a singular point in his favor that is overshadowed by his unwillingness to help town by playing in a transparent and open way. Plus he claimed scum - it doesn't get much easier than that Oats. | ||
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Look bandwagons happen bra. If a scum is caught by 1 thing he does, there's not going to be 9 unique reasons for voting for the scum. It's D1 sir, and the game just started. Allow me to flip the script on you for a second Oats...I don't like you defending Wave so passively. It comes across as you having more information than me because you aren't explaining why you don't like my reasoning or why you think I'm wrong. You're just throwing shit on me (calling my vote bandwagony) and it stinks. ##FoS Oats | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive? And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. Like right here. He has a couple of posts like this that display flippant disregard to what others think of him, and frankly we can do better for lynch today I think. He gots to come in here and verify this by being active D1, though. | ||
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Nothing tryhard about that. Nothing really townie either, save the lack of my personal scumtell for him (which I guess Prom also thinks is valid as he's mentioned it too). Which might actually be a strong town-tell given the circumstances: would a scumPrplhz not jump at the opportunity to suggest a policy-lynch of the miller claim? Rather than argue about the validity of claiming as miller? I need to see more from prplhz to get a real, actual read but right now I'm leaning town. | ||
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On May 14 2013 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote:prplhz ##Unvote ##Vote prplhz | ||
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That being said, I think I disagree with his target as Wave is starting to look better. BH's last point about him taking a meta-read a step too far, THAT I feel like is reaching. Look at the context of the statement in question. He jokingly asked BH if he remembered a quote he made in a different game when he was scum. He didn't put it in his case as a specific reasoning for finding BH scummy, it felt like a footnote on his post. @BH I think maybe we're barking up the wrong tree with Wave here. What do you think about VayneAuthority? His most recent vote on prplhz based on him greeting Kita is pretty weaksauce and the rest of his filter is equally lackluster. I'ma vote him. | ||
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@chaoser My play is going to shock you. It will be either abysmally bad or stellar and you won't know which until post-game. This is the state of my game since you've been away. Arguably you could call that "abysmally bad all the time", in which case no it hasn't changed much. | ||
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What do you think about VayneAuthority? His vote on prplhz seems opportunistic and he basically parroted your reasoning for voting rayn as his reasoning for suspecting prplhz...at least that's what it looks like to me. Are you similarly suspicious of prplhz for his interaction (saying "hi") with Kita? | ||
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@Prom I'll look and see what you're referring to myself re: Vayne. Honestly if you're not willing to lynch it, he doesn't have enough content for me to fight you on it. What did you think about slOosh' case on rayn? | ||
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On May 15 2013 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE: What do you think of Oats' list? Anything you don't agree with in there? I can see some things that are plain out wrong just by reading the thread. I mean, aside from it being slightly summarize-y, which is to be expected considering he was asked for thoughts on EVERY player, it at least gives reads of most of the players. Like if there were a lot more null reads and wifflewaffle then I'd be more concerned. Obviously there's something specific you don't like, was there something I should be looking at? To me it looks like a genuine attempt to put his thoughts in the thread, done by request. | ||
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On May 15 2013 02:53 Vivax wrote: Kush looks pretty bad, too. His amount of activity and "STANK" posts (thx VE) is suspiciously low. Kush hardly ever comes with any stank regardless of alignment. Take that for what it's worth. | ||
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Widen your gaze a little bit. Who else is scum? Who knows...maybe if so.eone agrees with ur further targets they'll be more inclined to vote with you today. OR maybe you'll find someone else is a better target. Like VayneAuthprity for instance. | ||
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VayneAuthority's play can be summarized quite succinctly as "hands off". Early on he wanted to sit back and wait for the NKs to analyze, once the flips happened, he voted prplhz for "saying hi to Kita and nothing else" and has since been completely absent from town discussion aside from popping in when his name is called. Hey Vayne, it's time for you to come out and play! Unlike some other low content players in the game who are doing strictly speaking nothing (BM comes to mind, sinani), Vayne is putting on the facade of being active by posting in response to people mentioning him, and throwing out one-liners regarding things that are currently happening in the thread. I find this far more suspicious than players who are doing, literally, nothing because it allows Vayne to keep off others' radars. Who does Vayne find suspicious? The only person that comes to mind is prplhz. Let's see why. On May 13 2013 14:20 VayneAuthority wrote: Im not gonna go through everyones filter so far since this thread is already huge, but as I said any interaction where some one goes out of their way to talk to kita. for example, prplhz saying hi to him when not addressed at all. It makes them scummy, in my opinion, because kita died tonight. Got dat kita on your mind, whos gonna pop in your head when your thinking who to night kill? On May 14 2013 15:18 VayneAuthority wrote: if thats directed at me prplhz 1. Direct question at kita, adds to my suspicion since he threw VisceraEyes in there who is also bugging me now. Viscera is either a PR or mafia not sure which yet. 2. what the hell is that? out of nowhere and then sloosh starts talking a little later...are they in communication or what? so confused by this post. My problem with his reasoning is this: he's done nothing to try and discern prplhz alignment aside from look at his interaction with Kita. Cool. Except - he doesn't explain why this post HAS to come from a scumPrplhz. I don't even understand what makes this interaction incriminating at all - he asks Kita for his stance on the whole miller thing. From a town perspective, I can see prplhz asking a veteran player his stance on something relevant to what's happening in the thread. From a scum perspective, what does it gain for prplhz to kill Kitaman after asking him this question? The explanation is lacking critical thought and it's been his only vote in the game. He also is suspicious of me now, because I'm suspicious of him I guess. But what has he done to push a lynch on either of prplhz or myself? Nothing. Not one thing. He's not trying to discern our alignments, he's not trying to get us lynched. He's just faking contribution and trying to skate by. I find him more suspicious by far than zero contributors, and I find him FAR more suspicious than WaveofShadow, who is in the thread obviously trying to find scum WHILE being tunneled to death by a more experienced player. Everyone should be voting for VayneAuthority for today's lynch. It's the right thing to do | ||
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On May 15 2013 07:02 ObviousOne wrote: Vayne is the wrong lynch today, VE. See his other ongoing newbie game that we can't talk about and you will see why. This post came too quick for you to have read my post. And you're voting yourself. Come back when you're ready to play the game. | ||
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On May 15 2013 07:16 VayneAuthority wrote: also I like how viscera skipped over an entire page of questions directed at him, including mine and tries to accuse others of trying to skate by. guys hilarious. answer some questions or no one is going to take you seriously The only question I even see is the bit about you parroting slOosh or SnB or whomever when you said that shit about prplhz...but you'll notice that in my actual case against you I didn't mention that did I? You're right in that you spoke first, but ultimately it doesn't matter in my read of you because that reasoning is weak and you've given no other explanation for it. You're right. You didn't parrot in your reasoning. Point conceded. Any further questions you have you will have to either point to or restate. | ||
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On May 15 2013 07:29 VayneAuthority wrote: how is your filter unstable? you start out posting normally then go ballistic when accused by BH and you guys go back and forth for a while. take a look at prphlz's filter and tell me it isnt all over the place. Hes attached to nobody and nothing. I don't get it Vayne, which is scummy being detached and emotional or being tunnely and not emotional? Because you're accusing two people with very different playstyles, one of which your reasoning is weak and the other is blatant OMGUS, and both are NOT exhibiting the tendencies you're saying the other exhibits as evidence of their guilt. Furthermore, you accuse me of tunneling you when that's very far from the truth. I've been explicit in who I've been looking at. I'll concede that I haven't really gotten back with the thread regarding every filter I've gone over, but in general that means that I found nothing of note in the filters in question, not that I'm not looking at them. If I say I'm doing something I'm doing it, and I've been willing to look at targets who aren't you all game. Just because now I'm ready to make a case and get you lynched, that does not mean that I'm tunneling. | ||
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On May 15 2013 08:15 ObviousOne wrote: I buddied you first VE. Well here's to hoping you're not scum.  | ||
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...because just opposing my lynch (while not meaningless) isn't enough for me to drop my suspicion of Vayne. | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote: and posts like this irritate me. If you guys are just gonna circlejerk all day and call me bad when frankly I have way more years of experience than most here then just fuckin' kill me already because its obnoxious as hell. A playstyle difference doesnt make you guys any better so stop jerking eachother off and get to the point. Whoa there tiger this is the guy defending you. Have some fucking faith sir. | ||
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Like, here's the backbone of my read of him. On May 14 2013 02:10 ObviousOne wrote: Rayn, Hiro, Oats all potentially good lynches today I know Rayn is a smart guy having just played with him. He and I shared some common threads of thought and generally didn't get in each other's way. His N0 here looks a lot like thread sentiment mirroring; town Rayn was much more interrogative and this Rayn is more accusatory. Hiro dropped the bomb that I smell bad and then disappeared once getting that concept embedded into the thread. Needs to be looked into today. Also, somehow he has the opinion that mechanics are going to help us more than reason (early game, implied not explicitly stated) if we are smart about them. Please expound upon this idea because I don't get how one set of night actions is going to help when half of the players are barely here, including yourself. Oats I need to read but I am getting a little bit of deja vu going after him so early. Of the two candidates last game, Oats ended up basically making people resent the level of crazy he brings to the game. I'm actually not sure how to detect a scum Oats specifically so I will have to check out his scum games today. @Prom nothing to tear down about you, very clear to me you are likely town based on this morning. This is the kind of post I expect to see from a town OO. A scum OO wouldn't be going on about posting styles re: rayn imo - and rayn is something of a hard-target if you think about it because he's received some notoriety recently for being a decent townie. I would expect a scum OO to wait to see if there's any kind of thread sentiment for voting rayn and come up with some bullshit reason to just do it rather than explore options. I can totally relate to what he says about Oats - I have a hard time reading the guy myself, but I will say that he knows how to look townie when he wants to and I'm not seeing much of that this game. However for myself I think he's active enough to be a bad lynch, so I disagree with his conclusion. His suspicion of Hiro I think is just fine - dude has been relatively absent and frankly if I didn't feel so strongly about Vayne and think I had a better case, I would be on Hiro myself. I can't see a scum OO making this post...it's too much like him trying to figure out the game - OO isn't really skilled enough (no offense sir, just an observation) to fake something like that imo. | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:25 VayneAuthority wrote: glad to see your still an immature piece of shit, guess your balls have to drop first I hope you appreciate the irony of this statement. | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:26 Promethelax wrote: So what town motivations do you see in his martyring and asking to be kept alive? The hypocrisy is strong with this one. I don't believe I have ever seen a townie do that. Well you clearly haven't read as many games of mine than your love of me would have me believe. | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:41 grush57 wrote: I'm likin the OO and Vayne lynch. Moreso than WoS /facepalm Do you read before you say things grush? Just wondering because Prom and I are in here trying to decide BETWEEN OO/Vayne, so just saying you like both of them is like saying nothing at all. | ||
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On May 15 2013 10:00 Oatsmaster wrote: IM AWAKE. Difference in prp and chaoser is that chaoser is just posting some stuff about rayn, but not pushing, but prp is trying to get hiro lynched. /dunked. Rayn, you posted the MOST about me, everyone else you seem to be asking questions and interacting with them. Why not with me? I think im justified in calling me your top scum read, but you never ask me anything  . SnB, why am I scum? VE, elaborate on my 'interesting' list post pls. Well, for one it's a listing with your read of every player in the game. I found that interesting as list posts are largely frowned upon, but as I said, because you were requested to make the list I took it at face value. I disagree with some of your conclusions, but because you limited yourself (mostly) to a sentence each I assumed you would elaborate later. You haven't really, and you haven't done much to get anyone lynched. Frankly the townfeels I got from the list have all but evaporated completely. You should comment on the current discussion of OO vs. Vayne or tell us who else you want to lynch that isn't one of those players and why. | ||
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I will move to OO to secure a lynch when the time comes. | ||
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On May 15 2013 10:11 Promethelax wrote: VE, can we talk about chaoser for a bit once night hits? I don't want to distract from lynching during crunch lynch time but I'm not sure what to make of him and based on his last post I assume you have enough of a history with him to help me out on this one. Gladly. I've been wondering where that dude went most of this phase. I wouldn't say we have a ton of history, but I've played some games with chaoser and know approximately what he's capable of as both alignments. | ||
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On May 15 2013 10:14 Promethelax wrote: Why not try to force people to consolidate onto Vayne? You seem pretty sure he is scum and are quick to let his lynch go. Whats going on? Well, 2 things. 1) Vayne's rage reminds me eerily of Tunkeg/Mocsta/insert-butthurt-newb-townie-here. Before he was just kinda laughing my suspicion away, and now he's raging at you, his defender. 2) I came to realize that my read of OO might be biased. I just read his filter with your "consolidated case" in mind (thx btdubz) and frankly I'm not AS confident in my townread as I was before. I still think he's town, but it's been downgraded to "leaning town". Because you seem almost certain of yours, I'm willing to consolidate on your target. | ||
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On May 15 2013 09:09 Promethelax wrote: Kinda case thing on OO (fuck you VE, I hate writing cases): 1. Early defensiveness brought up by DP (not a thing I think is a huge tell but it is different from his usual town game) 2. Eagerly explains a reason for the nightkill which no one had thought of in thread previously (I think this is a strong tell, others clearly disagree with me, Chaoser in particular) 3. Martyring and promises for future contribution at the same time (Martyring is policy lynch. Martyrig while saying "if you leave me alive I'll be useful I promise" is a scum tell since he is begging to be left alive his martyring is false. False martyring comes from scum). My only major problem with my lynch on him is actually the wagon which has formed behind me. Hiro's vote felt eh and Rayn's only felt a little better. BH is only there for policy. The discussion has all been around WoS/Oats and I was waiting for him to come back to the thread for me to really push him since pushing afk players is both boring and somewhat useless. We have four hours though, lets discuss him now. 1) This is something I'd missed reading over him earlier. I agree that it isn't much, but yeah as town I'd expect less defensiveness from OO in this scenario. I didn't see it so much as defensive at the time, but looking back it could be. 2) I'm with chaoser on this one. "Eagerly" is your subjective opinion of the post, and whether it's true or not, him speculating about the NK isn't a scumtell imo. It's null at best - actually I'd take it more as a towntell than anything because scum KNOW what happened at night. Talking about it right out of the gates is just like...asking to be looked at. So yeah, on this point we disagree. 3) At first I disagreed with this point as well as I said - but you're right in that while he was asking for death, he jumped at the opportunity to live (a la "VE cases Vayne"). I can see scum motivation for this action, while trying to see it from a townie perspective forces me to assume that OO is bad, which I have all but ruled out at this juncture. OO is NOT bad. Added from my own observations: HARD defending DP's miller claim decision as a townie action DIRECTLY flowing into having a strong scumread of DP seems contradictory to me considering DP's flip. If townie, if he honestly thought it was the best move for townDP to claim miller, I can't see him flipping his read of DP so suddenly and based on so little. It makes sense from a scum perspective considering the heat DP was garnering though, with the very real possibility of a DP lynch, and this further synergizes with the DP kill if OO is scum - DP had flipped town sentiment around and he was viewed as most likely town by several players. I DP lynch looked less likely toward the end of N0. In this vein, the following quote looks especially bad. On May 13 2013 08:14 ObviousOne wrote: VE what do you make of me being strongly in favor of lynching DP if he doesn't die tonight? Same question at you BH. | ||
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On May 15 2013 11:05 ObviousOne wrote: What's wrong with wanting DP vigged? Nothing - I'm just saying that taken with the fact that he actually died it looks bad. Like "Oh look! A vig listened to me after all, but DANG he was town. Whoopsiedaisy, oh well at least we know it was a vig and not scum right? Right guys?" | ||
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On May 15 2013 11:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Without his miller claim? That was basically the only thing that went on with him the whole night, wasn't it? He had a back and forth with OO too that was the basis of OO's scumread of him. | ||
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Like, okay let's take a step back. Where did Oats go? Didn't he like, just wake up and make his presence known? | ||
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On May 15 2013 11:40 Oatsmaster wrote: GUYS LYNCH HIRO CAUSE HE IS A WHINY SCUM PLAYER AND GIVES NO FUCKS ABOUT LYNCHING HIS TARGET, OO. AND WANTS A NO LYNCH. am I doing this right VE? That's better, but can you hold the indignation? | ||
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##Vote: ObviousOne Because I'm leaving for home and can't guarantee I'll get there by lynch time. | ||
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You ha ve my word. In fact, I don't even want you to unvote me: call it incentive. | ||
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When he started his self-voting bullshit, he was already heading down a lurky path and the votes didn't surprise me...nor did his insistence that he just didn't want to play anymore. Except...he did want to play didn't he? Once an opportunity to live cropped up (in the form of VE pushing Vayne, a townie) he jumped on it - first by arguing with me (verily without reading the post I made even), then by agreeing with me. Considering we ended up no-lynching last night, I'm inclined to believe that OO is scum. Think of it like this: OO's self-push was one of the main reasons he was a top candidate yesterday to begin with. If ObviousOne was town, I would have expected a self-hammer from him...he would have recognized the position he'd be in today and would have tried to save town a mislynch by self-hammering yesterday. That's my opinion. That we're dealing with a self-preserving scum-OO who's more interested in spreading doubt and confusion than helping town find scum. ##Vote: ObviousOne | ||
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I've been operating under the assumption that scum would have hammered OO if he were town. Frankly I hadn't considered that maybe all the active scum at the time were on the wagon already because my assumption was based on the notion that OO was scum and VERY FEW scum were actually on his wagon at all. :/ ##Unvote I'm caught up. I think we should be lynching HiroPro. Hiro's play has been pretty "standoffish" and I'm not referring to his activity. Early on he was all up in DP's face about the miller claim, which seemed townie enough at the time - but go over his filter. Does he ever get all up in peoples' face because they're scummy or because they're scum? The only time he does is re: OO, found here: On May 14 2013 03:30 HiroPro wrote: yo, let's lynch obviousone. if you haven't do so go back and look at his views on darthpunk, especially the point where he shifts from calling the claim meaningless to attacking him. Look at the amount of times where he calls out a person for inactivity without actually bringing up something specific that he wants to ask them. It looks like someone trying to be seen as promoting discussion without actually doing anything.1) the last list post where he said three people that would be good lynches looks like a straight fluff post. there's almost nothing in that post that's actually relevant to this game (most of it is just a lazy attempt at "meta") and what little is there isn't even true. He doesn't even say anything about oatsmaster beyond "i'm not sure how to tell if he's mafia. i'll look at his games later".2) also note the way that obviousone responds to any accusations or suspicion which actually have reasons behind them (not just "oh you scum"). in almost all cases he responds with some irrelevant comment and tries to brush it away. 3)in general this is something that mafia are much more likely to do instead of trying to explain their own actions further. ##Vote ObviousOne Here are my problems with this post. 1) He accuses OO of bringing up people for inactivity while doing nothing to further the game himself at all. I'd probably agree with this sentiment, but I've read Hiro's filter. I guess he was looking for posts like On May 14 2013 07:22 HiroPro wrote: shirokami seems like a good lynch also. On May 15 2013 04:58 HiroPro wrote: viscera, do you actually think that you can get vayne lynched today? On May 15 2013 05:34 HiroPro wrote: s&b, how do you feel about lynching obviousone? from OO. No followup on any of these, they serve no purpose. And in that first one he's even calling Shiro a good lynch with ZERO reasoning attached...which he's accusing OO of in the second paragraph! 3) In my experience, this is straight up false. Scum feel far more inclined to explain their actions than town do. Town are FAR more likely to just brush off accusations of them, because they're TOWN! Their accusers are, by definition, wrong...so in general townies have no reason to respond to accusations until there's a threat of death. After D1, he developed some kind of scumread on Vivax. Based on....agreeing with BH? Like, I guess he was expecting Vivax to explicitly say WHY he had a townread on BH. But why? Vivax provided his own reasoning for being on WoS, and it's a perfectly townie response to think that people who agree with you are town. Perhaps not the best play, but natural nonetheless and definitely not exclusively the bailiwick of scum. But Hiro tries to paint it as scummy in this post. On May 16 2013 10:11 HiroPro wrote: What reasons are there for a town player to outright follow another player just based on who they are? The most common are that they have a strong town read on that player and a reasonably good opinion of their ability or that they have such a high view of that person's ability that they'll blindly follow them, enamored by the thought that this player will solve the game for them and make everything right (a la prplhz/Mattchew). In Vivax's posts, I don't see a single reason for thinking that Blazinghand is town. In fact, the only time Vivax ever mentions an opinion on Blazinhand's alignment (before following him) is when he says that BH reminds him more of his mafia play than his play as detective. After that there's never any indication of a reason for thinking BH is town that doesn't have to do with the push on WaveOfShadow. At the same time, when asked why he values BH's ability highly, Vivax can't (or won't) offer up a single reason or example. There is a good reason for mafia to do this kind of play though: avoiding responsibility. The reasons that Vivax gives for WaveOfShadow being mafia are always balanced out by the explanation that he's mostly doing it because BH is so confident and gave a '10'. Mafia are often concerned about negative backlash from a mislynch and Vivax appears to use BH's presence as a way to avoid this danger and instead pin the blame on someone else. The bolded statement I find incredibly ironic - especially considering his newfound aversion to lynching OO, and desire to lynch me. Since the N1 flips Hiro has done virtually nothing. He HAS said however that he's not willing to lynch OO. No reason given. 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On May 17 2013 11:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Nah, VE is the funner vet to lynch. Srsmode Oats, daddy's home. This trolly shit stops now. | ||
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Someone I DID read through though was Viviax. He's not scum. :OOOOOOOOOOOO No seriously, I filtered Vivax because he died and maybe scum killed him. Brilliant exercise, if you don't with Vivax I highly suggest you do it in this game sometime. On May 16 2013 06:14 Vivax wrote: I think it will rather be me and/or BH. No one is considering us for lynch, and WoS is scum. You know what to do if we die tonight. Lynch that dude. No WIFOM bullshit. Go read what dead people wrote. Vivax said this. Vivax said this and then died. Two things pop into my mind reading this. 1) Vivax was town. 2) Scum knew Vivax was town. Or to put it another way: 1) Vivax' suspicion of WoS was genuine. Vivax is a good player and in my last game he caught 2 scum on D1. I shouldn't forget this. 2) Vivax might be wrong. I've thought WoS was town since earlier when BH was putting him through the wringer. But when people die, survivors go back and read things. And Vivax wanted WoS dead. And scum killed Vivax. So how likely are scum to shoot Vivax if WoS is scum? Obviously he was a huge detractor and said several times to "lynch this guy tomorrow if I die." Vivax WOULD have been targeting WoS today. And with BH leading the charge, there very well may have been a WoS lynch today. Depending on the team...pretty likely I guess. Now: how likely are scum to shoot Vivax if WoS is town? He was thoroughly convinced of WoS' guilt, and on top of that he wasn't even the main force behind the WoS wagon, that was BH. That means that they can kill Vivax, AND the lynch on WoS isn't compromised! Regardless of the team, I think this is HIGHLY LIKELY THE CASE. Allow me to present you with an alternative option: On May 16 2013 07:47 Vivax wrote: I have to say that you bother me somewhat, too, upon reading. You talked a lot about coming to the conclusion that prplhz is probably town and what he does is so bad but I hardly see you pushing cases on people since the one on OO. Your whole push against OO looks like a calculated tunnel, your other reads are weird and don't include much reasoning. You don't inquire as much as I would want you to. You don't seem to give updates based on OO's newer play, but keep pointing to an old case. There seems to be very few doubt in your filter. I initially saw your firm opinions as town tell, but since they're becoming too firm on the timeline, they are actually looking like agenda now. I didn't check how my other reads treated you, but you sure are a good candidate for scum just based on that. Vivax was also starting to get suspicious of HiroPro. I posit that the NK on Vivax was designed specifically to incriminate WoS while simultaneously silencing Vivax regarding HiroPro. Vivax was also passingly suspicious of prplhz, but that seemed to fizzle out as the day wore on...it's possible that maybe prplhz is scum based on this? I've had a tentative townread on prplhz all game, but frankly I totally missed that Vivax was suspicious of him D1. I'ma go reread prplhz now. I should go to bed, but I read Vivax to find more scum and ended up only reaffirming the one scum I'd already found | ||
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But something about it. Like look at this post: On May 16 2013 13:40 shirokami wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 16 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote: How the fuck does this make any sense at all? Is this an association tell based on me as well? The fact that Vivax afked the latter half of yesterday and left his vote on me is enough for you because BH changed it, even though BH was the main and aggressive proponent of my lynch all yesterday? Fuck this is stupid. I just lost my hope on BH and vivax seems like a good guy, and I also want to see you hang buddy. Im like a the tramp dog from dat disney movie, on monday I eat at this italian who gives me pizza, next day I eat at donnie's who gives me some chicken. Im not a genius, I dont make posts that are hard to read because they are too long and full of emotional or useless bullshit, I dont say someone is scum because of his meta. I just like to agree with the towniest guy there is. BUT I will tell my OWN opinion when I seem it is necessary. but now, it is N1 and thx to some stupid people there were no-lynch. The NK will tell us something, And If I have an opinion about it, I will post it. My filter is short, and rayn and vivax can already tell that im town based on it, do you know why? IT IS EASY TO READ. Would scum SAY THIS? Like, let's remove all variables from the equation - don't factor in that he has a team - don't factor in that he's a "newbie" - just think of this from a scum-aligned standpoint. Can you think of a reason to EVER just come out and say "I just like to agree with the towniest guy there is." UGH but his filter is SOOOOO BAD. ##Summon: Promethelax ##Summon: Blazinghand ##Summon: slOosh You three. You three will immediately give me your opinion of shirokami. You will do this thing or you will NEVER regain your honor! Based on the observation I just made, I think town. I think new town in over his head. But I want backup on this one. | ||
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On May 15 2013 16:19 Vivax wrote: ________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Nice voting fail How can people bring up new lynch targets so close to deadline? Looking at the late vayne pushers here. Vayne reacting openly anti-town is worth nothing though. I wonder, why does nobody wonder that scum OBVIOUSLY wasn't pushing the WoS wagon? Unless you think me, BH and Shiro are scum, it gives you a good picture, but Shiro is confirmed town in my book, so lynch WoS please. On May 15 2013 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah that's all i need, shirokami is town. Yes. | ||
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On May 18 2013 04:48 slOosh wrote: His whole filter supports his playstyle mentality -> consistency. That's not an opinion. That's an observation. WHAT DOES IT MEEEEEEEAN?!?!? | ||
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On May 18 2013 04:42 HiroPro wrote: i'm not really going to defend myself beyond this as I have limited time and we need a correct lynch today, so I'd rather spend my time thinking about who to lynch. the one-liners that viscera has a problem with: I pointed out shirokami because I thought he was going unnoticed, he was reasonably active but hadn't said a single thing that I would consider useful or particularly alignment-indicative and almost no one had mentioned his name. essentially, he was hiding in plain sight. viscera's push on vayne struck me as odd at that point since he hadn't really offered up much of a reason to vote for vayne and was the only person voting for vayne yet somehow still wasn't willing to change targets. I asked strongandbig what he thought about lynching obviousone since we needed more people in order to get a lynch and he hadn't said anything about him. the point about town/scum brushing off points against them. I'm not talking about someone ignoring something said about them, I'm well aware that townies often do this. What struck me as odd about obviousone was that he seemed slightly nervous when people said things about him and made it a point to try to turn it into a joke (which I felt also seemed kind of forced), but didn't actually do anything to assuage those concerns. Generally speaking, I would expect most town players to either outright ignore something or try to respond meaningfully. the post I made about vivax: I never said that I found vivax suspicious for "provided his own reasoning for being on WoS, and it's a perfectly townie response to think that people who agree with you are town.". What I found odd was that vivax's major reason for voting for WaveOfShadow wasn't that he came to the conclusion on his own: it was that BH was confident in WoS being mafia (and Vivax never indicated much of a town read on BH and instead seemed to imply that his read on BH would depend on what WoS flipped). to be perfectly honest, I don't actually see why people think that Viscera is town all of a sudden. I don't think any of the posts he's made since are particularly townie; they just simply show that he's devoting a little more time into the game than before. But I'm more interested in lynching someone else anyway, so it doesn't really matter too much. I'll try to explain in my next post why you should lynch this person. Your post-hoc explanations are meaningless. My whole point was that you were accusing OO of things that you're guilty of yourself, indicating inherent guilt. And frankly your complete about-face on OO only serves to support that notion. I can see very little town motivation for the way you're playing. And you've been pushing and supporting my lynch all day. But you think I'm still suspicious but you DON'T actually want to lynch me today? Hammer plx. We done hur. | ||
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On May 18 2013 05:05 slOosh wrote: Scum are more likely to flip-flop and take disparate / contradictory stances over time as they have a personal interest in not bringing unwanted suspicion / attention on teammates. For him to be consistent and scum means that town is so lost that he can freely give his votes away without fear of it hitting a teammate from the start of the game - which I find to be on par with the "bus all my teammates, ride town cred into victory" strategy. Okay - and again, we haven't flipped a scum yet. You just made more observations without giving a conclusion in the slightest. Do you think he's town based on his consistency? Or do you think he's scum based on the apparent direction town is heading? That I've had to ask you this three times now....well it'd be an understatement to say that it surprises me. | ||
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On May 18 2013 05:24 slOosh wrote: I think he is town and if he is scum he is playing for town. Is that clear enough? ...........yes. V....< | ||
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On May 18 2013 05:36 WaveofShadow wrote: I could see this as scum-in-the-death-throes WIFOM bomb. I'm not a fan of pre-flip associations but I don't see anything in here than precludes both Hiro and BH from being scum together. Whatever still not voting BH today. I will get to him. Be that as it may, I'm anxious to see how BH responds to this. | ||
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However, there ARE things that lead me to believe that prplhz is scum. On May 15 2013 07:17 prplhz wrote: I'm really fucking annoyed that one of my cases is getting ignored yet again. I don't really write huge ass cases but that doesn't really mean that the case is bad. My first hunches in my last couple of games have been quite right and I have a good feeling about HiroPro but people are just ignoring my case because it's not a dumb wall of text. On May 18 2013 06:11 prplhz wrote: @BlazingHand I know that you usually just spout nonsense but could you at least put something sensible together on my case instead of just saying that it's bad? Because that leads absolutely nowhere (and I don't really think it is bad). I need to sleep now but we absolutely need a lynch today, lynches are really important and we can't have scum kill three times in a row without us lynching a single person. For some reason kushm4sta isn't happening but I'm kinda fine with HiroPro too. ##Vote HiroPro So he's salty about no one paying attention to his case, but when someone else picks up the torch, all of a sudden he's "kinda fine with it"? It sounds like trying to distance himself from a bad lynch to me, but that means that Hiro is a bad lynch (being the wagon in question). Conversely, it could be that prplhz' read of Hiro has changed a la his responses to the wagon and his suspicion of BH. I find scumPrplhz more likely...but I'm not sure if that precludes HiroScum. Tell me why you think prplhz is scum. Or tell me why you think Hiro is town. Or tell me ANYTHING AND STOP BEING A USELESS LITTLE SHIT. | ||
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On May 18 2013 07:15 Blazinghand wrote: ok so there's two big things about prplhz, but only one that I consider seriously a thing I'm lynching him for. First, and this is the important one, prplhz is pushing a lynch on kush that he MUST know is bad. he has stated repeatedly that he thinks kush is objectively scummy, but refuses to give a complete meta read on him. If presented with evidence that kush is ALWAYS objectively scummy, reasonably you'd back off, make a meta read, claim a red check, or state you want to lynch him for policy reasons. If you don't do any of these, you haven't actually demonstrated that kush is scum and not town. If you're not interested in doing any of these, then you are not interested in finding out if kush is scum or not. Basically, prplhz wants to lynch kush. Why? Well, prplhz claims it's because he thinks kush is scummy, but it's completely clear that nothing kush is doing this game is scummier than normal kush play. Prplhz says "well, he's more self-focused this game!" but doesn't give the evidence to show this as a legitimate meta read. He doesn't even say he wants to policy lynch kush. Why is he voting kush? Because he doesn't want to take part in the serious discourse/wagons (OO, WoS, and for some reason VE and HiroPro) and by voting kush he looks like he's doing something. It's completely clear what's going on here-- prplhz is opting out of the town discourse by voting kush. Okay well this is horseshit and isn't worth bucking the Hiro wagon over. I don't care what your read of Kush is, basing your read of prplhz off your "Hey kush is NULL bitch!" feels does nothing to sway me off Hiro. Keep in mind that adding a new wagon now is a suspicious move regardless of your target anyway - we nolynched after a N0 start with NKs...we're fucking screwed if we nolynch again imo, and that's what this looks like to me. Redeem thyself in mine eyes...or I swear to God I'll scream in this thread until every Hiro voter is on YOU instead. @OO If you want to limit scum between WoS and BH, I'd say BH more likely to flip scum than WoS. This is epic level bad right here and BH isn't bad like this. He's bad in other ways, but.....not like this. Tell me why you think WoS is a better target. | ||
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Grush got the hookup on the unvote too, and I've got to flip back and forth between this and work for a while. People I want to hear from BEFORE the flip:
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##Unvote ##Vote: Blazinghand EVERYONE IN THE WORLD NEEDS TO UNVOTE AND VOTE BLAZINGHAND. THIS IS A DIRECT ORDER FROM A SUPERIOR SCUMHUNTER. YOU WILL SHEEP MY VOTE OR YOU WILL SUFFER DIRE CONSEQUENCES AT MY HAND. | ||
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On May 18 2013 09:13 HiroPro wrote: yes i know it's probably mylo/lylo but idk, don't ask me. i can't think right now. i'll be fine tomorrow when i can sleep some, but right now I'm out of it. ##Unvote ##Vote Blazinghand STOP SAYING SCUMMY THINGS AT THE EXACT SAME TIME THAT I'M TRYING TO MOVE A LYNCH OFF YOU HIRO CHRIST ON A CROSS | ||
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On May 18 2013 09:42 Blazinghand wrote: ok but heres the thing i pointed out how his case was bad BEFORE HE EVEN MADEI T. I said anyone who makes case vs kush without elgit meta or red check or policy is not doing it right. it's super clear. I told him why and he denies it, and also doesn't make meta. he's obviously trawling for a mislynch. for chrissake do you really think he's town? Dude why does that have to be scumPrplhz?! You fail to address this in your "super legit push" on him, why does that action have to come from scumPrplhz EXCLUSIVELY? Because you're failing to provide ANY reasoning aside from that and ITS A NULL ACTION TO ME. What do you even mean "trawling for a mislynch" BH? I thought you said Kush was "null". What specifically about Kush makes him town to you? COEM WITH THE META BRO OR IT'S NOT FUCKING LEGIT RIGHT?! | ||
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On May 18 2013 10:01 Blazinghand wrote: you can't just show up a few hours from the deadline, claim a no-lynch is imminent and say "well, i have no real reasoning but we should lynch this guy" wtf I have reasoning. Again, you're just trying to discredit what I'm saying by saying it doesn't exist. This is EXACTLY the same shit you pulled in The Game, and it's TIRED FUCKING BULLSHIT BH. | ||
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On May 18 2013 10:07 Blazinghand wrote: So you're not going to link or quote your case? Seriously? if I were a town player pushing a scum player I'd KNOW WHERE MY CASE IS well, my dota game is done so I can offer some help and stuff. I'm at L-1 I see and I get it, i'm gonna get mislynched for the first time in a over a year today. All I ask is don't hammer me for an hour or two so I can post some reads before I do so I guess that makes me a scum player right BH? Or no? See you didn't really say one way or the other so it's kinda ambiguous when you say it like that, huh? | ||
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Kush is making me uncomfortable. BH, you're here and many many others are not. I'm removing myself from this tunnel so that you might change my mind. Start by commenting on what I said about prplhz, and if you have anything to add now would be the time. You can't miss it, it's right before the post you're so desperate for me to link - I'm sure you've found it by now stop being a prick and just comment on it. | ||
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On May 18 2013 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Whatever I'll go first. I'm inclined to agree that prplhz looks bad. There are a few instances in this game where I feel like a prplhz would come in and bitch at town..it's one of his things he does as town. But that's something he has NOT done...which is never a good indication. There's also a lack of one of his most common scum-tells imo, but again, LACK of something is weak and I don't like submitting it as evidence. However, there ARE things that lead me to believe that prplhz is scum. So he's salty about no one paying attention to his case, but when someone else picks up the torch, all of a sudden he's "kinda fine with it"? It sounds like trying to distance himself from a bad lynch to me, but that means that Hiro is a bad lynch (being the wagon in question). Conversely, it could be that prplhz' read of Hiro has changed a la his responses to the wagon and his suspicion of BH. I find scumPrplhz more likely...but I'm not sure if that precludes HiroScum. Tell me why you think prplhz is scum. Or tell me why you think Hiro is town. Or tell me ANYTHING AND STOP BEING A USELESS LITTLE SHIT. On BH: On May 18 2013 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay well this is horseshit and isn't worth bucking the Hiro wagon over. I don't care what your read of Kush is, basing your read of prplhz off your "Hey kush is NULL bitch!" feels does nothing to sway me off Hiro. Keep in mind that adding a new wagon now is a suspicious move regardless of your target anyway - we nolynched after a N0 start with NKs...we're fucking screwed if we nolynch again imo, and that's what this looks like to me. Redeem thyself in mine eyes...or I swear to God I'll scream in this thread until every Hiro voter is on YOU instead. @OO If you want to limit scum between WoS and BH, I'd say BH more likely to flip scum than WoS. This is epic level bad right here and BH isn't bad like this. He's bad in other ways, but.....not like this. Tell me why you think WoS is a better target. As you can see, initially I agreed with you re: prplhz, but the more you refused to comment on my content on him, the worse and worse you looked to me, so the less and less I was suspecting prplhz. If you're town, show me. | ||
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ObviousOne - If we're going to find scum together, you do the facts and I'll do the feels. I've read the thread and here are my feels. Before we go all hasty mode and quicklynch prplhz, let us not forget that prplhz was the subject of BH's ire late in the day yesterday. I'd like to hear what prplhz has to say regarding yesterday's events and where he thinks scum are hiding. I still very much think he's scum, but I'm holding my vote for now. Prom still coming into the thread wanting to talk to people "of worth" is really starting to bother me. That kind of attitude is very unlike Prom from what I remember - we don't play together as often as I'd like. Also his read of slOosh is bad I think. slOosh is looking EXACTLY like he did in Nomination (which I have read TWICE during this game so far) and I've got a solid townread on slOosh. My experience with slOosh is a very lurky, afraid-type scum. Not what we're seeing here, and he's sounding very townie. I mentioned before reading Nomination twice. The other time was to look at Oatsmaster more thoroughly. I see the same semi-aggressive kinds of posts and I THIIIINK he's town. It definitely doesn't look like his only scum game listed in the TL Mafia Directory, but I think there's a more recent game I can look at? For scumOats? shirokami. His votes yesterday were bad. Literally none of them came with reasoning, or even comment. I had him as newbTown but fuck. Firetruck. I think scum now. strongandbig - I've actually been scum with strongandbig pretty memorably. We were scum together in ChronoTrigger, and he was barely playing at all. Here was his filter - it's only 6 pages and he died on Cycle 7. I haven't filtered strongandbig yet, but what I remember offhand is nothing like that filter. I'm leaning town on SnB. Kushm4sta..........gets a post all his very own. Intrigue These have been my feels. I'm filterdiving and available for questions. | ||
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On May 19 2013 19:15 prplhz wrote: Off the bat I think they both look okay maybe strongandbig didn't do as much as I remember from him in some recent game we played where we were both town. I'll look more closely into them. How about that local sports team? I hear they made the seasonal championship event! | ||
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On May 19 2013 19:23 ObviousOne wrote: QUOTED FOR JUSTICE Vivax would hate it if I didn't post this, I'm pretty sure. I just remembered that I have a boner for his town play and this sprung to mind. Vivax' deathwish was for WaveofShadow's head on a pole. Just sayin. If we're respecting the dead, we gotta RESPECT the dead. For whatever reason he felt more strongly about Wave before he died than he did about prplhz...and I was townie on prplhz when Vivax was calling for his lynch sooo...I don't know about invoking Vivax in that way. | ||
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I'm catching up. Couldn't help but notice Prom was lynched...that came out of nowhere. Jesus. | ||
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Better to clear me from the pool once we reach that point than have me alive at LYLO.I was very wrong about both BH and slOosh, so I'm paranoid that I'm wrong about prplhz and he's actually town. Outside possibility given his play, but frankly I'm questioning everything given my strongest townreads (aside from OO) keep flipping scum XD I'm going to see who I think is the best lynch tomorrow and I'll get back with you guys (I promise this time). | ||
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First, I want to apologize to town for my weak showing in this game. I've been basically absent for 2 game days and there is no excuse. Hopefully this last push will make up for it in some small way, if only by clearing myself from possible suspects. Now, here's where I see thread sentiment in order of what I perceive to be collective lynch preferences. prplhz shirokami SnB Oatsmaster VE kushm4sta grush OO I'll go over each of them in turn and decide where I stand on them, and at the end will decide who I think tomorrow's lynch should be. prplhz: I've gone over and over his filter (because it's short and I can do that). Frankly my problem with prplhz stemmed exclusively from his waffle on HiroPro early on. But frankly, the game has played out in such a way that I believe that scum meant for prplhz to be a followup lynch to Promethelax getting lynched. Obviously they couldn't have anticipated OO's boss-level counter-claim to slOosh's fake-claim, but I think that the intent was to get prplhz lynched. Keep in mind: unless they shot him themselves, scum didn't think BH was going to be dead come D3. They intended for him to be alive, and presumably, for Promethelax to be dead. BH was gearing up for a prplhz push on D3 based on his "horrible meta case on kush"…which if you'll go and read the post in question, isn't so horrible at all. His case on kushm4sta was…okay as far as meta cases go. I went back and read the games in question and he's right - there are differences in the way he's presenting both himself and his scumreads. Not that I agree that Kush MUST be scum as a result, just saying - I found it far townier than most everything in his filter…and verily more townie than some who are considered "obvTown" today. I think prplhz is a planned mislynch. Verdict: Town shirokami: This guy isn't interested in helping us find scum at all. He's literally just flitting around the popular lynches and voting. Even I've got more content and activity in this thread than shirokami does, and I've been absent for 2 game days. Plus I find this post incredibly incriminating On May 23 2013 02:26 shirokami wrote: No, lynch me last. Im not scum kush, im starting to think you are the last one because in that order town loses. …given the conclusion I just made about prplhz. I think he's banking on the fact that town is ready to lynch prplhz, and that's why we're seeing baseline-activity from this guy consistently. He doesn't have to be any more active because he's not under as much heat as prplhz has been for like most of the game now. I can't see anything in his filter that makes me think town anymore. The town-drop I saw earlier could just as easily be newbie-scum, and his disinterest in talking to town in any meaningful way is just fueling my growing disease with this slot. Verdict: Scum strongandbig: There's a lot of stuff I like in SnB's posts…the way he went about his attack of Oats for instance. He sought out opinions from others, drawing attention to his attack, etc. It just seems too ballsy for scumSnB. His inactivity is a factor, but it's no worse than mine so I'm not factoring that in. Suffice to say that when he's here I think he's posting with a townie mindset. Also everyone should take another look at this post here: On May 17 2013 03:20 strongandbig wrote: okay so this is the first thing that makes me really wonder about oatsmaster being scum. Let me break it down for you guys: there are three possibilities here:
I consider the first of these options extremely unlikely; much less likely than either of the other two. First, votesteal is almost a useless power for townies; and it's very weird that someone would've used it D1. So let's say that oats's vote was stolen by scum; why didn't they use it to hammer OO? If he's town, it's free KP for them. Conclusion: he's scum. On the other hand, we have the case where oat's vote wasn't stolen by scum or town. Well, clearly his vote didn't count yesterday? If his vote wasn't stolen, then that would have to mean that his vote was canceled for some other reason. By far the most likely case where that happens is the case where he's scum - there's a clear scum motivation for having your vote not count. You can jump on your teammates' bandwagons all you want; you can ignore attacks on your voting record by just saying "oh my vote was stolen"; and it makes you look townie if you can persuade people that your vote was stolen by the scum team. So, I think we have a pretty good choice here. Between OO and Oats, I think we have a scum. This needs attention. Especially considering slOosh' flip…with a secret hammer on their side, why would scum NOT hammer down OO if OO is, in fact, a town-aligned Watcher? Think it through - if even one scum is "confirmed town" then the whole game is fucked for town. Think LX. And slOosh makes a terribad claim (with Mac truck sized holes in it) which CONVENIENTLY OO is in a position to refute. Because he checked the miller claim on D1. Hoping for......what? Scum to frame him? To catch a cop checking him? What was OO's reasoning for checking DP? Verdict: Town ObviousOne: I broke order because I just had a WTF moment. OO IS SCUM!! Look at SnB's post, then look at OO's claim, then look at slOosh's claim, then look at OO's claim again, then look at SnB's post again, then look at MY post again. slOosh's last posts re: OO's claim look like a desperate attempt to distance himself from OO when he flips. How do I know? Because his points are completely valid! slOosh flipped scum right? Scum know when other scum are acting scummy because THEY KNOW they're scum! slOosh's points are extremely valid re: OO's claim. OO's explanation doesn't make any sense - here it is: On May 22 2013 12:39 ObviousOne wrote: Because I wanted to check if he was shot protected or copped? Parity cop is the only cop check that makes sense on a claimed miller but no detective actions were taken. None. You lied despite your lie being half believable. Except for the part where Prome shows up town to a parity cop. And that all your checks were amazing despite your lack of attention to the game. You would have received Same Same of I was mafia. You claim Same Different. 1) According to the OP, mafia's KP is factional and cannot be role blocked (or in the same vein, Watched.) So he couldn't have been looking for scum. That leaves 2) "or copped". He was blue sniping if he's a watcher at all. There's literally no reason for a town-aligned player to be "looking for blues" by way of watching the miller claim. OO is a sharp guy, and he definitely doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would waste his action on a MILLER claim. Christ on a cross, that's WHY millers claim, so townies don't waste their MOAMOVMAOVNIAVNING ACTION on them. OO was at L-1 with a scum-aligned hammering role in the game. He'd have you believe that "Oh, well obviously scum are taking a gambit that they'll be able to lynch me"...which would almost be believable, except that no one but ME has really pushed for an OO lynch after that fact. And I'M not fucking scum. So why? Why would they DO that? Also On May 23 2013 08:04 ObviousOne wrote: Now we know for sure he wasn't around. D1 voting he could have hammered me silently. Also lol sharks. Many thanks to Ace for not letting mafia send in actions for eachother. Let's see who suggested that would be the case in thi game. They probably knew about it since, you know, they're mafia. I guess present company is excluded right? Unless you're referring to something someone else said, you're the one saying this is the case. How do you know? On May 23 2013 08:11 ObviousOne wrote: Wait he posted that I was at L-1 right? Wtf lol guess BH told him not to? That would mean BH would have to do work. Hrm. Why didn't he hammer? The guilty conscience is palpable. It's because OO is scum and he's taking you all for a ride. I'm getting off, right here. *pulls cord* That's good enough for me actually. I want to lynch ObviousOne tomorrow which should flow nicely into a shirokami lynch the following day. Final answer. I'll get to everyone I've missed later, but I've spent too much time on this as it is and we've got another 24 hours before deadline (according to the lynch post). If anything changes after I finish filtering I'll let you guys know. OO: if you're town you're going to have to explain in further detail why you checked DP. It makes far more sense for me to believe that as scum you were just trying to buy cred by "refuting" slOosh's claim than it is for me to believe that as town you thought it was a good idea to check DP N1. shiro/prplhz: if you're town, you're going to have to do something...anything...to avoid getting lynched tomorrow. Everyone needs to be aware that going into tomorrow, scum are going to be in a position to hammer anyone if even one person votes incorrectly. Regardless of how strongly you feel about your reads, don't be a hero and think "oh well my target is 100% scum" and just blatantly disregard the opinions of others. It's not fair, and I want to win. | ||
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On May 23 2013 10:35 ObviousOne wrote: Like VE, if you're town you just lost us the game with this. Holy shit. I'm sure I did lose it for you. But I'm in it for TOWN'S victory, so I'm not worried about it much. Look, I'm just going off what I see. I see slOosh make a horrible claim, I see you refute it with questionable facts (you were "testing a theory"? One that was in the thread for scum to see? OKAY BUD!) and I see a scum hammerer flip after you were at L-1 AND NOT HAMMERED. WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO THINK OO? WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IN THIS CASE?! IGNORE FACTS?! | ||
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On May 23 2013 10:39 kushm4sta wrote: OO knew about sloosh's fake claim instantly. OO is confirmed town. Explain how that makes him confirmed town. If he's scum WITH slOosh would he not similarly "know instantly about slOosh's fake claim"? Think rationally Kush - slOosh was GOING to be lynched. GOING TO BE. Even after his claim, he was GOING TO BE LYNCHED. Why would scum NOT want to capitalize on this in some way? | ||
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On May 23 2013 10:39 grush57 wrote: Only 2 scum left VE? IS THAT A SCUM CLAIM Only 2 scum in the filters I've dived, yes. I'm doing the rest tomorrow because lazy. I just spent 4 hours reading the game and writing a post...you'll forgive me taking a little break. | ||
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On May 23 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote: Testing a theory just bought town a scum lynch and you're doubting me because it's convenient? No. Fake claims are convenient, counter-claims are a consequence. Then tell me why you think prplhz/SnB are scum. As thoroughly as you can, because I'm not seeing it dude and I think prplhz has been slated as "the mislynch" for a while from the looks of the game. "Testing a theory" only bought town a scum lynch AS a matter of convenience OO. If you're town, then slOosh just HAPPENED to fake-claim that he checked DP - do you not see how I view that as "convenient"? | ||
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Jesus, is it really Kush in here talking sense into VE? WTF? I probably need a break after this game. | ||
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On May 23 2013 12:55 Oatsmaster wrote: VE. Why scum didnt hammer OO day 1, is that sloosh had to be on a different wagon. He wasnt. Lynch didnt happen. OO isnt scum for that. He may be scum for other things. But not that. This point is completely accurate. I missed this. I thought the hammerer was like an extra vote (because there seems to be some kind of vote stealing stuff going on so why not?) but upon further inspection it seems I was mistaken - that it's actually HIS vote that is the secret hammer. Okay maybe OO is NOT scum then. That was a huge part of my problem with him, and that's completely gone. :/ There's still the convenience of his claim with relation to slOosh's claim, but in fairness I've had a claim called bad which I thought was actually a really skillful play (LX), so his explanation resonates with me on reflection. | ||
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The difference between him and shiro though is that I actually have played enough with prplhz to know better...I have NOT played with shiro before, and lurky scared-to-post seems far more in line with newbScum than it does with a player like prplhz who has been around the block. So again - I think prplhz is a bad lynch tomorrow, and that we should instead consider shirokami. | ||
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On May 24 2013 03:32 prplhz wrote: who we lynching today? | ||
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Yes I was wrong about slOosh. But you implying that my being away for so long means that I don't know what the fuck is going on is really starting to infuriate me. Stop thinking you've got it all figured out. Even if you do, you going around screaming about it only accomplishes making you look like a dickhole. Are you a dickhole Kush? I expect this kind of masterbatory play from BH and Palmar...not you. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [N0:Casting Doubt on Miller Claim] + On May 13 2013 04:43 shirokami wrote: If I would be a miller, I would get a scum lynched and claim after that. I dont really see a reason behind N0-miller claim. On May 13 2013 05:14 shirokami wrote: actually I have won as scum with stupid early fakeclaim. but well who knows, im just a noob In this thread there's even BONUS Playing Noob Card. + Show Spoiler [D1:WoS Push] + On May 14 2013 06:26 shirokami wrote: dont worry blazinghand. you are always town in my eyes<3 On May 14 2013 06:44 shirokami wrote: @rayn WoS, because I agree with BH and I like his posts. ##vote WaveofShadow On May 14 2013 07:26 shirokami wrote: says a guy who wanted to waste vigshot to a miller. A miller who he, incidentally, was suspicious of himself based on his posts...but I digress. On May 14 2013 07:32 shirokami wrote: I was unmotivated last game, and I was on the road almost the first 2 phases. Now I have time and closed setups with many people are much more fun. Strange, in spite of this little nugget, WHERE is our friend Shiro today? On May 15 2013 02:05 shirokami wrote: sorry im bad with these cool words like totes, bussing, OMGUS and WIFOM. More playing the noob card too, which is odd considering in the next couple of posts On May 15 2013 02:32 shirokami wrote: about WoS. the first time I started to think that he is scum was when he started metahugging @page 2 of his filter. then it was straight line downwards in my eyes. and I agree with BH with his case. Did I say oats is scum? um I was curious about him but he has been ok for a while. ...he uses the term "metahugging". A little odd considering he's such a turbo-newbie, but whatever right? On May 15 2013 07:48 shirokami wrote: the fuck, does WoS really have better role than you OO or why are you getting yourself killed? you were not going to be lynched and now you go full allahuakhbar wtf. and yeah about vayne, check the clusterfuck of a newbgame going on and you realize he is the wrong lynch today. On May 16 2013 09:54 shirokami wrote: blah rayn dont flatter yourself, the townread on BH is gone. vivax is my friend now. I still want to lynch WoS and you. On May 16 2013 09:56 shirokami wrote: WoS you scummy fuck stop giving scum good ideas. In this quote he not only calls WoS scum, but scumslips that WoS is actually really town. :OOOOOOOOO Directly following, he goes from wanting to lynch rayn to using rayn's ability to "read" him (another slip indicating that he knows in advance that rayn is actually town) as evidence of his own innocence, and then devolves into one-liner responses to everything and votes with no reason....right about the point where the game seems to be "figured out" from an objective standpoint. I think in context, shirokami is by FAR the best lynch tomorrow. | ||
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I'm sorry I doubted you OO. You da man in this game now - I'm in here arguing with Kush about whether we should lynch prplhz or shiro first. I say shiro, he thinks kush. I'm coming around to the idea of a prplhz lynch myself, but wanted your opinion on the matter because you're the Boss Hogg now and I think shiro is more definitely scum than prplhz. | ||
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But I agree with you - shiro has like no excuse. I'm interested in what SnB and prplhz have to say about it...should be quite telling. | ||
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On May 24 2013 09:59 shirokami wrote: yeah sure, and when I flip town we lose right? I like how as soon as OO mentions that you're first on his lynch list you're like IMMEDIATELY in the thread to dispute it and appeal to our fear. Funny, that. I wonder why it was okay for you to be on the lynch list when prplhz was ahead of you, but now that you're ahead of prplhz it's a whole different story. HMMMMMMMM!!!!!!! | ||
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On May 24 2013 10:22 ObviousOne wrote: VE would you say that I have been dominating this game as you predicted? Stroke my ego a bit, I want to go out in style. Oh all right. I was going to reserve judgement until after shiro flipped scum, but considering you're like...#1 shot tonight and you might DIE: ObviousOne DOMINATED scum this game, while VE phoned it in and sucked most of the game. | ||
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On May 24 2013 11:01 kushm4sta wrote: @scum I will never change my mind so dont waste your time trying to act town Confirmation bias kills towns Kush. | ||
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On May 24 2013 11:03 ObviousOne wrote: Maybe you're mafia MVP and you knew all about how the mafia team was acting because you're  mafia. Don't joke like this at a time when my read of Kush is in flux. XD Like, I've not seen Kush in this kind of form regardless of alignment, so I'm really not sure how to take this confidence of his. | ||
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Well then again he's pushing lurkers hard (me being an exception, who he's been pretty steadily town on mostly)... I don't want to lynch it TOMORROW...but if he's still alive for the next day and I am too, I swear to GOD I'll make him answer for your suspicions this night OO. | ||
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Kush.......Oh kush. | ||
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On May 24 2013 11:35 ObviousOne wrote: Only Sith deal in absolutes. How certain are you?! :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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On May 24 2013 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote: k guys. TOWN: ME OO KUSH VE(this one is so green it hurts) SCUM: Prp Shiro SnB Yay sheeples. Green check on VE? | ||
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On May 17 2013 16:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Shiro is literally just following along with town sentiment. He hasn't done ANYTHING today - literally nothing but vote. But something about it. Like look at this post: Would scum SAY THIS? Like, let's remove all variables from the equation - don't factor in that he has a team - don't factor in that he's a "newbie" - just think of this from a scum-aligned standpoint. Can you think of a reason to EVER just come out and say "I just like to agree with the towniest guy there is." UGH but his filter is SOOOOO BAD. ##Summon: Promethelax ##Summon: Blazinghand ##Summon: slOosh You three. You three will immediately give me your opinion of shirokami. You will do this thing or you will NEVER regain your honor! Based on the observation I just made, I think town. I think new town in over his head. But I want backup on this one. I said I think shiro is town here. Promethelax agreed with me. slOosh and Blazinghand refused to comment even after being Summoned. slOosh comes the closest. Open the quote and read the whole interchange...getting him to comment at all is like pulling teeth, and when he does you could dip it in fucking syrup. On May 18 2013 05:24 slOosh wrote: I think he is town and if he is scum he is playing for town. Is that clear enough? I think this is incriminating. I support a shirokami lynch today. I'm not voting though because like I said earlier, if shiro is actually town then scum only needs one townie to vote wrong and they can hammer. OO's vote speaks for me presently. My vote is his, and right now it's on shirokami. | ||
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Like I love that you didn't die, but WHY DIDN'T YOU DIE?!?! | ||
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Guy I was ABSENT for half of this game. EASILY HALF. Don't make excuses Kush. | ||
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OO - you're still a baus. And you still dominated scum. Just not enough. | ||
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On May 25 2013 08:54 kushm4sta wrote: yes I stopped trying because I thought the game was solved. I thought the game was solved because I thought the scumteam was balanced. There should be some transparency in how the teams are created. like host should say in the OP if teams are going to be completely random or fucked with. @VE ok enjoy your next scumgame that I'm in. because I now have a tell on your scumplay that has remained consistent and exclusive to your past 5 scumgames (the only ones I've looked at). It is simple and it is distinctive and I will catch you within your first 20 posts. future gg You just don't get it. How the hosts balance teams means NOTHING kush. NOTHING. It DOESN'T MATTER whether the teams are balanced because he told you HOW MANY scum there were and the thread was full of POSTS by SCUM MEMBERS. Who cares if Ace/VE/BC/marvellosity/L is the scumteam? They've still got to post to avoid modkill right? They've still got to explain why they're still alive at LYLO. They've STILL got to try and scumhunt. Whether Ace balances the game or not has NOTHING TO DO with your ability to find and eliminate scum. No amount of transparency about how the teams are formed IS GOING TO MAKE YOU READ THE FUCKING GAME KUSH. | ||
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On May 25 2013 09:03 kitaman27 wrote: lol VE includes himself in the list. How cute. ![[image loading]](http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/617/okayguy.jpg){kind=icon} | ||
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On May 25 2013 09:16 Ace wrote: and thats why you lost. And incidentally why you're probably at your skill ceiling. Just saying. | ||
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For the record Kush I don't think you're a bad player by any stretch...you're MUCH Better than you were when you started and I think you have potential to be better still...but if you don't like to/want to read games you're a part of then what's the point? | ||
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On May 25 2013 11:39 Dandel Ion wrote: Technically you hadn't fulfilled your wincondition yet and I was a bit too /drunked to do the absolute math on if it's inevitable or not for myself so i decided to let ace decide rather than fuck up by accident It's cool that's what I figured. No gripes just wondering. | ||
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Promethelax was, at the time, the only super dangerous non-scum left in the game. And when I saw him come back in and drop a vote on BH, several things went through my mind.
So with all of these things in mind, I saw an opportunity to do one of three things: 1) Bus BH and earn infinity towncred, leaving an opening to lynch Prom for scum. 2) Achieve no lynch and make myself look better to Prom for trying to get his lynch through. 3) Achieve Mislynch in HiroPro. Regardless of the actual outcome though, my intention was 4) make VE look unquestionably town. This was the purpose of the push on BH - to throw a wrench in the "lazyVE = scumVE" thought-train that was picking up momentum and make anyone invested in the game question their read of me. slOosh did a good job of "convincing" me that Prom's vote was anti-town-indicative in the thread, so me not being on BH after he flipped the next morning didn't actually end up hurting me as much as I thought it would. | ||
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On May 19 2013 19:43 ObviousOne wrote: Not that I don't trust you VE, I don't trust MYSELF around you. You're so darn handsome. | ||
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