EPTThe initial push on WoS
On May 13 2013 23:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I kinda want to kill rayne for thinking I was scum in LXI, but I'll read his filter and decide for real I guess. OO feels town to me (he's a lurky scum player) but I'll have a look for science.
But as luck would have it, WoS was the first person I noticed people talking about and WoS was the first person I looked into. Facts:
There's some stank in his posting, which makes me rest a little easier, but frankly I'm not sure what to expect from a scumWoS in that regard.
I think he's scummy and can kill him today.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
I kinda want to kill rayne for thinking I was scum in LXI, but I'll read his filter and decide for real I guess. OO feels town to me (he's a lurky scum player) but I'll have a look for science.
But as luck would have it, WoS was the first person I noticed people talking about and WoS was the first person I looked into. Facts:
- Kitaman found suspicious.
- Kitaman dead.
- Abnormally high ratio of gif/pics.
- Claimed scum.
There's some stank in his posting, which makes me rest a little easier, but frankly I'm not sure what to expect from a scumWoS in that regard.
I think he's scummy and can kill him today.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
Breakdown of his list:
- Kitaman found suspicious. - Kitaman found WoS suspicious, join the rest of the thread, take a number and line up at the back.
- Kitaman dead. - circumstantial, could mean it was a kill set up to incriminate WoS (a la the push from BH who could later go "I TOLD YOU SO!")
- Abnormally high ratio of gif/pics.- who is more likely to troll and bring negative attention to themself? especially if WoS happens to be mafia for the first time in this game
- Claimed scum.No he's scum for not giving a shit about helping town. He's scum for jokingly claiming scum when called out by a player who has the clout to get him lynched.
WoS is mafia because he's trolly and joking about being mafia. How is this different from what Mr. Cheesecake did in LXI? It's not vastly different, and I don't recall VE calling CC uberscum for it in that game. They buddied up after it.
Conclusion: Voting WoS for bullshit reasons. First vote, forgivable for early game I suppose. Not necessarily alignment indicative to be voting for WoS D1.
Suspicion of Oats
On May 14 2013 00:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Oats
Look bandwagons happen bra. If a scum is caught by 1 thing he does, there's not going to be 9 unique reasons for voting for the scum. It's D1 sir, and the game just started.
Allow me to flip the script on you for a second Oats...I don't like you defending Wave so passively. It comes across as you having more information than me because you aren't explaining why you don't like my reasoning or why you think I'm wrong. You're just throwing shit on me (calling my vote bandwagony) and it stinks.
##FoS Oats
@Oats
Look bandwagons happen bra. If a scum is caught by 1 thing he does, there's not going to be 9 unique reasons for voting for the scum. It's D1 sir, and the game just started.
Allow me to flip the script on you for a second Oats...I don't like you defending Wave so passively. It comes across as you having more information than me because you aren't explaining why you don't like my reasoning or why you think I'm wrong. You're just throwing shit on me (calling my vote bandwagony) and it stinks.
##FoS Oats
Oats was voting for WoS. VE votes for WoS. Oats doesn't like it. VE interprets this as shitty. Remember though what Oats said he wanted to do earlier in the thread:
On May 13 2013 03:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
I say at the start of the day.
Everyone ##Vote: SOMEONE
then the person with the majority in any way gets to fight for their life.
Sounds like a great idea right?
YEAH
I say at the start of the day.
Everyone ##Vote: SOMEONE
then the person with the majority in any way gets to fight for their life.
Sounds like a great idea right?
YEAH
I think this can potentially be read as Oats saying to VE "get your own scum read" but I'm putting my words into Oats' mouth with this, so I'll stop there and let Oats clarify it.
Conclusion: It's actually interesting that Oats called VE out for voting for his own scum read or was WoS not actually a scum read for Oats and rather an arbitrary (or perhaps NOT so arbitrarily chosen) scum read. VE and Oats probably not both mafia, this is genuine sounding enough to be coming from a town VE standpoint since it's essentially ludicrous that Oats would call someone out for voting for his own scum read. Oats being random does not necessarily mean Oats being town.
Town read on BH
On May 14 2013 06:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading BH as town presently. His bravado and air of confidence (whether feigned or not) reminds me more of LX when he was town than it does of his more recent "The Game" where he tried to emulate it as scum. It feels like real certainty that he's found scum, and I think it's genuine.
That being said, I think I disagree with his target as Wave is starting to look better. BH's last point about him taking a meta-read a step too far, THAT I feel like is reaching. Look at the context of the statement in question. He jokingly asked BH if he remembered a quote he made in a different game when he was scum. He didn't put it in his case as a specific reasoning for finding BH scummy, it felt like a footnote on his post.
@BH
I think maybe we're barking up the wrong tree with Wave here. What do you think about VayneAuthority? His most recent vote on prplhz based on him greeting Kita is pretty weaksauce and the rest of his filter is equally lackluster. I'ma vote him.
I'm reading BH as town presently. His bravado and air of confidence (whether feigned or not) reminds me more of LX when he was town than it does of his more recent "The Game" where he tried to emulate it as scum. It feels like real certainty that he's found scum, and I think it's genuine.
That being said, I think I disagree with his target as Wave is starting to look better. BH's last point about him taking a meta-read a step too far, THAT I feel like is reaching. Look at the context of the statement in question. He jokingly asked BH if he remembered a quote he made in a different game when he was scum. He didn't put it in his case as a specific reasoning for finding BH scummy, it felt like a footnote on his post.
@BH
I think maybe we're barking up the wrong tree with Wave here. What do you think about VayneAuthority? His most recent vote on prplhz based on him greeting Kita is pretty weaksauce and the rest of his filter is equally lackluster. I'ma vote him.
Giving BH a town read based on BH's tunnel. Mafia VE probably wouldn't give town reads so handily to his scum team, he is more likely to cast doubt on them (so as to appear his paranoid self) than to agree with them openly, but theoretically other people he disagreed with would potentially be those who he has cast doubt on if he was giving the mafia thread-presence/voice a town read. Subject to individual interpretation, I guess?
Vote for Vayne: townie enough, I did the same once I figured out what Vayne's case on prp was. In the general overview of game, essentially this boils down to VE (and myself) defending Prplhz. Scummy now that Prp is a scum read, at the time it was OK. Mafia VE potentially defending TWO mafia at this point with town reads? Possibly. Best explanation is he thought Vayne was legitimately making a scummy case.
Vote for OO: thread sentiment matching, makes me out to be some kind of mafia mastermind, begs for forgiveness later. I will let the reader judge that because bias.
On May 17 2013 16:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Shiro is literally just following along with town sentiment. He hasn't done ANYTHING today - literally nothing but vote.
But something about it. Like look at this post:
Would scum SAY THIS? Like, let's remove all variables from the equation - don't factor in that he has a team - don't factor in that he's a "newbie" - just think of this from a scum-aligned standpoint. Can you think of a reason to EVER just come out and say "I just like to agree with the towniest guy there is."
UGH but his filter is SOOOOO BAD.
##Summon: Promethelax
##Summon: Blazinghand
##Summon: slOosh
You three. You three will immediately give me your opinion of shirokami. You will do this thing or you will NEVER regain your honor! Based on the observation I just made, I think town. I think new town in over his head. But I want backup on this one.
Shiro is literally just following along with town sentiment. He hasn't done ANYTHING today - literally nothing but vote.
But something about it. Like look at this post:
Would scum SAY THIS? Like, let's remove all variables from the equation - don't factor in that he has a team - don't factor in that he's a "newbie" - just think of this from a scum-aligned standpoint. Can you think of a reason to EVER just come out and say "I just like to agree with the towniest guy there is."
UGH but his filter is SOOOOO BAD.
##Summon: Promethelax
##Summon: Blazinghand
##Summon: slOosh
You three. You three will immediately give me your opinion of shirokami. You will do this thing or you will NEVER regain your honor! Based on the observation I just made, I think town. I think new town in over his head. But I want backup on this one.
Defense of Shiro??? Okay, that's three scum up to this point he's defended. Either he's mafia angling for the perfect game up to this point or just finding himself in the worst possible situation ever, when looked at from this point of the game.
Later on...
On May 19 2013 19:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Vivax' deathwish was for WaveofShadow's head on a pole. Just sayin. If we're respecting the dead, we gotta RESPECT the dead. For whatever reason he felt more strongly about Wave before he died than he did about prplhz...and I was townie on prplhz when Vivax was calling for his lynch sooo...I don't know about invoking Vivax in that way.
Vivax' deathwish was for WaveofShadow's head on a pole. Just sayin. If we're respecting the dead, we gotta RESPECT the dead. For whatever reason he felt more strongly about Wave before he died than he did about prplhz...and I was townie on prplhz when Vivax was calling for his lynch sooo...I don't know about invoking Vivax in that way.
So do we respect the dead or do we not? Only when it's convenient?
First post in about 2 days and he doesn't even deliver.
On May 21 2013 12:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys.
I'm catching up. Couldn't help but notice Prom was lynched...that came out of nowhere.
Jesus.
Hi guys.
I'm catching up. Couldn't help but notice Prom was lynched...that came out of nowhere.
Jesus.
He wants me to think he's scum. HE WANTS IT.
What I think
Okay, so mash all of this together.
- Voting for WoS for mostly bullshit reasons, which is forgivable early in the first day. Drawing associations with flipped players that are rather convenient, no consideration for thinking one step ahead (aka Kita was killed to implicate WoS or w/e in his arguments). Town for when it occurs, red for how it's done. I award no points either way.
- On that same token calling out Oats for being casting doubt on him for also voting for WoS. Oats correctly calling him out for a BS case on WoS without directly saying it that way. From this I wager both are probably not scum together for now. Townie response.
- The only provable defense of mafia is his town read on BH. That makes him wrong if he's town. That makes him defending potentially the only mafia town leadership in the thread if he's scum. Pushing for a perfect game or just not reading deeply into meta? Probably the first from how the game has been going.
- His push on OO for being so good at playing as scum that OO could resort to martyring to get himself almost lynched in a grand setup where he would know that not enough people would be around to hammer him that late into the day and use that against him the next day when no hammer dropped.
- Lacking the distinct thread presence and interaction of what is normally seen from a town VE. He has moments of it, but either he can't be around to do it because work or whatever or he's burned out on trying because he's mafia. Either way this is typically an indicator to his alignment so I'll give him scum points for it at this point.
I'm seeing a trend in color, here...
