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On May 17 2013 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 17 2013 01:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
But first of all, Jesus christ Prom that post. Knob gobblers made me laugh though, and once again you appear to be the only one with a head screwed on tight enough (at least of those who bother to actually participate in this game) to point out the real ridiculousness of some of play thus far.
Why must you shittalk half the people in this game? Hey babes. You still haven't pointed out how I've lied by the way.
Because you broke promise. Break promise srs bizness.
And show me how I'm shit-talking half the people in the game. Are half the people constantly tunneling me for absolutely ridiculous reasons? I'd be more inclined to undesrtand when people vote for me if they sat back and actually thought about what they're doing but you?
You just said that a lot of people are playing badly cause they think you are scum. Lol.
HAY GUISE LOOK HE THINKS VIVAX IS GOOD BLUE HE MUST BE SCUM.
Now shush. I'm reading.
Um no thats not all I said. Why are you intentionally making my stand on you seem to be weak and baseless? hmm?
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Alright Prom I'm ready to for you
/sultry voice
Theorizing about NKs is just one of those things I like to do. Again I agree my game should probably be less me-centric but when I have to constantly deal with people on my ass I can't help but feel everything is revolving around me. If you'll notice that kind of activity slowed down when I was under less pressure. Not necessarily an excuse for my play but it's reality. As far as theorizing about Vivax/BH I've noticed in many games that when I do speculate about NKs it garners me a lot of attention---essentially I was trying to maybe herd the scum to see if NKs on BH/Vivax would actually happen by painting myself as a really great target for town accusations the next day if they both died. BH didn't and Vivax did and I am less inclined to believe that this was because of me. I also thought that maybe by directing attention to MY thoughts on the NK I could get away from...Vivax or Rayn I think it was? Who said it was going to be you, and since I've liked your play thus far (aside from the notion that you could be scum simply by accusing me early) I didn't want you dying.
That is my thought process, such as it is, make of it what you will. Re-reading it now, it's probably pretty retarded but whateva. I'm unconcerned with how it makes me look though it does seem to draw people like flies. Anyway if I can avoid being baited into more stupid useless arguments with BH/Oats today I might actually get something non-retarded done.
Looking forward to the upcoming VE case and I want to look into Hiro as well as you, Prom.
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Oats I think a lot of people are using retarded points against me to try and prove that I'm scum. Like look at Kush. Saying "I dunno babes" somehow makes me scum. Like wtf is that?? It's not half the thread though, only a select few people. I imagine that some of the people putting no effort into actually getting me lynched are dumb town, but some f them might be scum too just jumping aboard and throwing anything they can against the whole, hoping that something sticks. That latter group looks to me like what you're doing.
As far as me putting words in your mouth, do you want to explain how my thoughts on Vivax make me scummy? 'Cause obviously I'm not understanding them correctly.
On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please.
This is what you're so concerned about, Oats? I don't really see a promise anywhere here. I'm right about the first part though, I can tell you that much. As far as the second part goes, I can't control your thoughts if you choose to tunnel me again without doing any real analysis (or if you're scum, obv). You also don't know if I've 'gotten down to it,' yet.
So there, semantic analysis of my own 'promise' post. Maybe you can find something else absolutely stupid to tunnel me on now?
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You want me to look into hiro or you will be looking into both hiro and me?
VE, I eagerly await you proving yourself townie. I'd much rather be on your team than against you.
How do people feel about the tubed slots (BM and sinani) I'm not sure how to deal with them since they aren't lurking they are empty. I'm hoping to see mod kills/replaces soon so I guess hold off for now? I dunno, they are on my mind.
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On May 17 2013 02:14 Promethelax wrote:
You want me to look into hiro or you will be looking into both hiro and me?
VE, I eagerly await you proving yourself townie. I'd much rather be on your team than against you.
How do people feel about the tubed slots (BM and sinani) I'm not sure how to deal with them since they aren't lurking they are empty. I'm hoping to see mod kills/replaces soon so I guess hold off for now? I dunno, they are on my mind.
Both you and Hiro.
And where the fuck is chaoser?
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On May 17 2013 02:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:14 Promethelax wrote:
You want me to look into hiro or you will be looking into both hiro and me?
VE, I eagerly await you proving yourself townie. I'd much rather be on your team than against you.
How do people feel about the tubed slots (BM and sinani) I'm not sure how to deal with them since they aren't lurking they are empty. I'm hoping to see mod kills/replaces soon so I guess hold off for now? I dunno, they are on my mind. Both you and Hiro. And where the fuck is chaoser?
I dunno. I'm hoping VE is up for that talk. Unless he fucked off again.
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Holy fuck. Is actually been almost 72 hours since he posted. Didn't realize it had been that long.
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On May 17 2013 02:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Oats I think a lot of people are using retarded points against me to try and prove that I'm scum. Like look at Kush. Saying "I dunno babes" somehow makes me scum. Like wtf is that?? It's not half the thread though, only a select few people. I imagine that some of the people putting no effort into actually getting me lynched are dumb town, but some f them might be scum too just jumping aboard and throwing anything they can against the whole, hoping that something sticks. That latter group looks to me like what you're doing. As far as me putting words in your mouth, do you want to explain how my thoughts on Vivax make me scummy? 'Cause obviously I'm not understanding them correctly. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. This is what you're so concerned about, Oats? I don't really see a promise anywhere here. I'm right about the first part though, I can tell you that much. As far as the second part goes, I can't control your thoughts if you choose to tunnel me again without doing any real analysis (or if you're scum, obv). You also don't know if I've 'gotten down to it,' yet. So there, semantic analysis of my own 'promise' post. Maybe you can find something else absolutely stupid to tunnel me on now?
LALALA I CANT HERE YOU, YOU ARE SCUM!!! !! !! !! ! ! !.
But seriously that Vivax thing?
No one, Absolutely 0 people shoot dudes cause.
1. They are good at blues.
2. They roll blues often.
You staying with this is really bad, feels like you said something scummy you didnt really think through and now trying to defend yourself.
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So oats I get how what WoS said was hilariously stupid. Explain to me why it was scummy?
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On May 17 2013 02:26 Promethelax wrote:
So oats I get how what WoS said was hilariously stupid. Explain to me why it was scummy?
Its scummy cause he didnt want to admit it was stupid. And he also couldnt think of a proper explanation why Vivax was shot.
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On May 17 2013 02:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Oats I think a lot of people are using retarded points against me to try and prove that I'm scum. Like look at Kush. Saying "I dunno babes" somehow makes me scum. Like wtf is that?? It's not half the thread though, only a select few people. I imagine that some of the people putting no effort into actually getting me lynched are dumb town, but some f them might be scum too just jumping aboard and throwing anything they can against the whole, hoping that something sticks. That latter group looks to me like what you're doing. As far as me putting words in your mouth, do you want to explain how my thoughts on Vivax make me scummy? 'Cause obviously I'm not understanding them correctly. On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. This is what you're so concerned about, Oats? I don't really see a promise anywhere here. I'm right about the first part though, I can tell you that much. As far as the second part goes, I can't control your thoughts if you choose to tunnel me again without doing any real analysis (or if you're scum, obv). You also don't know if I've 'gotten down to it,' yet. So there, semantic analysis of my own 'promise' post. Maybe you can find something else absolutely stupid to tunnel me on now? LALALA I CANT HERE YOU, YOU ARE SCUM!!! !! !! !! ! ! !. But seriously that Vivax thing? No one, Absolutely 0 people shoot dudes cause. 1. They are good at blues. 2. They roll blues often. You staying with this is really bad, feels like you said something scummy you didnt really think through and now trying to defend yourself.
Or, you know, 'cause it's the truth. I'll even give you an example of my thinking, to help you along. You say that my thoughts on the Vivax kill being a blue snipe are dumb because 'just because Vivax gets blues a lot and might be good at it doesn't make him a good kill this specific game.' Ok, maybe so (never mind the fact that I mentioned Vivax is a good shot anyway even were he green but whateva). Now think to what I constantly say every game that people who want to call me scummy seemingly really hate (and is really going to bite me in the ass once I roll scum):
"I'm town again and never get scum and my scumplay will be terrible etc."
Obviously me rolling town every game has absolutely no bearing on what I get the next game, but I am talking about it anyway to show my thought processes so I can be absolutely transparent, allowing the town to read me in any way they wish. Same goes with my thoughts on Vivax. Obviously just because he seemingly rolls blue a lot doesn't necessarily make him a great kill for that reason alone, but imo it can be a contributing factor, and were I scum it's probably something I'd bring up in the QT. (Maybe they'd tell me I was fucking stupid for it, but I'd bring it up nonetheless.)
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Vivax was a night one shot in lxi. Does there have to be another explanation beyond: pretty good when he tries.
Like you WoS sometimes doesn't see the dumb shit he says as dumb. We're all attached to our own stupidity and WoS has like 7 finished games under his belt not a single time as red. (He has two ongoing games though) he either has no experience or very little with how scum shots are actually directed. He is only a level above newbie so some of his ideas can and will be off base. What I'm saying is not admitting what he said was dumb doesn't look scummy to me.
You have failed to convince me.
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On May 17 2013 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:26 Promethelax wrote:
So oats I get how what WoS said was hilariously stupid. Explain to me why it was scummy? Its scummy cause he didnt want to admit it was stupid. And he also couldnt think of a proper explanation why Vivax was shot.
Oh rearry Oats?
On May 16 2013 15:26 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 16 2013 15:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
No kill on Prom/BH worries me. The Vivax shot was honestly smart; the guy seems to pick up a strong blue role every game and every game he gets sniped for it. I can't say it was an attempt to frame me either since BH is still alive as well; despite the fact that he dropped me as prime target yesterday he was making it fairly clear he still wanted me dead. Rayn shot was obvious as well.
Um what? Why would the fact that Vivax rolls blues often be a reason why he was shot? So you are saying it was a bluesnipe? On a vig? Like I dont think there are specific vig blue tells that caused him to be shot, so above post is absolutely BULLSHIT.
I've already been called out for this, but the fact that Prom and BH are both still alive and both were the primary proponents of me being scum yesterday means one of them must be scum imo. I am aware the Prom never attempted to push me beyond his initial case/suspicion but it fits with what I'm thinking. I'll attempt to build on this as the day progresses but it really doesn't feel good to me at all.
Which one of them is more likely scum cause they pushed you and WHY? Vivax gets town thinking and has a strong in-thread presence, and overall tends to use his blue roles well. I've never played mafia so to be honest I'm unsure as to how the process of blue-sniping goes but Vivax seems as good a shot as any here.As far as which I find is more likely scum, I don't know, I have a lot of reading to do. First thoughts obviously because BH is always tunneling me would be that BH is scum and since Prom was actually using his brain that he's town but those wouldn't be very thoughtful or useful reads, would they? Hence me getting my thoughts across to the thread regarding where my mind is at and what I will be trying to do during the day. If you don't like it, or think it's scummy, you have a vote.
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Here's my problem with OO. Frankly I'm just not sure what his capability is AS scum. Understand that I've seen him put out a really super townie game AND a lurky useless townie game. I attribute this to his MD tendencies - but that has always made me wonder about whether that's the cause of his (primarily) lurky scum game. As a result, I'm not comforted by his repeated assertions that "Oh my scum game SO EZ dude". Like, for the most part I'd tend to agree, but the other side of me wonders why if he's capable of such a monsterously town game, why he wouldn't be capable of the same as scum. My conclusion (because I've been there) is that he is. So it becomes a question of whether that's what we're seeing here or not.
When he started his self-voting bullshit, he was already heading down a lurky path and the votes didn't surprise me...nor did his insistence that he just didn't want to play anymore.
Except...he did want to play didn't he? Once an opportunity to live cropped up (in the form of VE pushing Vayne, a townie) he jumped on it - first by arguing with me (verily without reading the post I made even), then by agreeing with me.
Considering we ended up no-lynching last night, I'm inclined to believe that OO is scum. Think of it like this: OO's self-push was one of the main reasons he was a top candidate yesterday to begin with. If ObviousOne was town, I would have expected a self-hammer from him...he would have recognized the position he'd be in today and would have tried to save town a mislynch by self-hammering yesterday. That's my opinion. That we're dealing with a self-preserving scum-OO who's more interested in spreading doubt and confusion than helping town find scum.
##Vote: ObviousOne
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To sell me on you town and OO scum you make the same case I made about him yesterday and decided wasn't convincing enough. Time to find my meta case on you in chrono. You look exactly the same here. And no, it wasn't activity based.
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Well you look like a stunning specimen of scumhunting superiority and I'm confident you'll come to the conclusion of correctitude.
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VE your case makes sense but yeah I remember having seen it before (a few added details here but the gist is the same). You know the other possibility is literally what OO said and he was going all fucking bipolar and decided he didn't give a shit anymore then changed his mind later on. By the time the deadline was almost up OO had already decided he wanted to live and so he would not have voted himself as town OR scum.
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On December 03 2012 11:50 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 11:47 iamperfection wrote:On December 03 2012 11:46 Promethelax wrote:
thank you for proving my point. We, as a whole, need to stop this. Yes, you are shitting up the thread. Now stop it.
VE=scum. why he just hasn't been here at all why does that = scum in terms of ve Because VE has done something no townie VE would do. He has waited for others to make cases and made his own cases to sheep those. He also listens to the cases of the people he thinks are scum. (He had Hapa as scum but Hapa made a case on me so I was scum. I made a case on GK so VE made a case on GK). VE=Scum.
On December 03 2012 12:01 Promethelax wrote:
No, no no. You don't get it. A town VE would be direct and say lolol no idea whats going on dude over here seems scummy. It is the way he asks to be forgiven for not reading the thread and only makes easy cases on players who already have cases on them which says scum.
If anyone makes me go through that game again for any reason I'm policy lynching them because that will be so much easier than reading that pile of shit.
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I'm not interested in killing ObviousOne right now. i'll decide who to lynch later when I have time to read. probably viscera, but we'll see.
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On May 16 2013 12:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 03:57 strongandbig wrote:
Okay let's talk about this stuff
- Wanting to kill people who "have a bad attitude" or who "are making promises" are classic scum tactics. Scum need to find someone to kill for a reason other than that they are scum, and this is often taken as an easy out. The reason that's the scummiest and worst post in the thread is that oats is trying to pass this off as normal.
Or you didnt read the 'bad' attitude? Coupled with the previous scummiest, that tipped the balance for me. Show nested quote +
- I don't care that oats claimed that his vote was stolen, I care that he just casually passed it off without bringing any attention or analysis to it. It's a scummy way to make a claim of kind of an unusual role-mechanic.
Kind sir, can you elaborate on the kind of analysis that you want from a pm that I got saying 'your vote is stolen today''? Show nested quote +
- It's not the way that oats came to the conclusion that rayn had scumslipped, it's how he reacted to the supposed scumslip. If you're a townie and you think someone has scumslipped, you jump all over them. You explain why it's a scumslip, you bring it to people's attention, you try and get that scum killed. Instead oats just casually threw out "hey doods its a scum slip," without pursuing it or even explaining what the scumslip was.
Yeah, you would think as scum that I would go all out on that scumslip right? Funny huh, how Im not playing like mafia. I dont think scumslips actually exist further than info that they shouldnt know like number of mafia in a closed setup game and stuff like that. That was not the case. Show nested quote +
- finally, if you really think voting someone early, in an instant-majority game, without explaining yourself further than "let's get this wagon rolling" is a good townie way to play, I would hate to live in a town where you were in charge. The scum motivation for that kind of vote is totally clear.
Except I can unvote. And unvote. And vote for someone else. Why didnt you bring this up when I first did it if you thought it was objectively scummy?(it isnt.)
Okay i find none of this stuff convincing.
- the worst post in the thread is still persuasive to me. No matter how bad the attitude was, wanting to kill him for it is clearly scum motivated and not town motivated.
- i dunno about the analysis, i would at least have expected you to talk about why you specifically had your vote stolen or whether it was by scum or what. But I was more worried that you completely dropped it when no one responded. It's kind of a big deal ("your voice and your vote" or whatever the standard normal-game VT pm says)
- if you didn't really think ryan had scumslipped, why did you call it that? That's exactly what I accused you of doing earlier, just throwing out "hay guise its a scumslip" to see how everyone reacts.
- and your justification of your unexplained throwaway bandwagon vote is that you didn't really mean it? Okay then. not doing yourself any favors.
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