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On May 15 2013 16:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 16:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 15 2013 16:25 Vivax wrote: You people are so abysmally bad.
You should simply go read how WoS treats BH when he was pushing him, earlier in the day. If you can read. Then you will notice he shovels shit at him without ever making a case, but in the next moment he tries to tell him that he's (WoS) not scum in begging tone.
He completely stopped pursuing his Oats scumread. Literally everything could do for him, late in the day.
There is no target for WoS.
Wake up baddies where you during lynch bro? Does anything else stick out for you other than WoS being scum from the last 5 or so hours? I think I saw some guy playing this game without his pants on. He also had a weird reason to hide his face. I didnt see that. Are you seeing a doctor for your hallucinations?
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On May 15 2013 16:46 Vivax wrote: Oats, could you expand on your prplhz townread? I'm interested in your reasoning. Well, prp is pushing Hiro lynch. Hiro is scummy and OMGUS'ed prp. so a person that OMGUS's another person, therefore that other person is town. So prp is town.
Also, I played with scum prp, and he seemed a lot angrier. And he was epically useless the time he was alive. Different from here. Every game prp plays he gets pressured cause he plays like this lol.
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I read your words as really weird, like I thought you meant the role 'self aware miller' rather than the flavor name. Cause NO ONE was talking about the flavour name.
Also I said that the votestealer was scum, 3 reasons why they didnt hammer OO. 1. He is scum 2. He is gonna be highly suspect d2 and may take up discussing the whole day again cause we aint got a resolution 3. Scum afk.
So I think that reasons 2 and 3 are more likely than reason 1. OO, the reason why I wanted to switch onto you, is cause no lynch is THE WORST day 1. Like the only information we will get tomorrow that is reliable is probably flips of 2 obv town players. So all the lynch candidates still up for grabs/death. So we lose the possible analysis of those 2 good at town players from your death, and instead this is n0 with more content basically. Not good.
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On May 15 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats, somebody asked me if i thought if DP faked his role-name, i specifically asked "why are you so sure wall street investor is a town role?". I don't understand how you can, from that, form a conclusion that i was saying DP is a mafia self-aware miller.
rofl.. huh. INTERESTING.
Did you defend yourself from sloosh's case?
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On May 16 2013 01:19 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 16:25 Vivax wrote: You people are so abysmally bad.
You should simply go read how WoS treats BH when he was pushing him, earlier in the day. If you can read. Then you will notice he shovels shit at him without ever making a case, but in the next moment he tries to tell him that he's (WoS) not scum in begging tone.
He completely stopped pursuing his Oats scumread. Literally everything could do for him, late in the day.
There is no target for WoS.
Wake up baddies Vivax, what do you mean? If anything Oats was one of the more viable deflection targets should WoS be scum. Who do you want to lynch tmr sloosh? Rayn? Also current read on OO?
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[QUOTE]On May 16 2013 03:57 strongandbig wrote: Okay let's talk about this stuff
- Wanting to kill people who "have a bad attitude" or who "are making promises" are classic scum tactics. Scum need to find someone to kill for a reason other than that they are scum, and this is often taken as an easy out. The reason that's the scummiest and worst post in the thread is that oats is trying to pass this off as normal. [quote] Or you didnt read the 'bad' attitude? Coupled with the previous scummiest, that tipped the balance for me. [quote] - I don't care that oats claimed that his vote was stolen, I care that he just casually passed it off without bringing any attention or analysis to it. It's a scummy way to make a claim of kind of an unusual role-mechanic. [/quote] Kind sir, can you elaborate on the kind of analysis that you want from a pm that I got saying 'your vote is stolen today''? [quote] - It's not the way that oats came to the conclusion that rayn had scumslipped, it's how he reacted to the supposed scumslip. If you're a townie and you think someone has scumslipped, you jump all over them. You explain why it's a scumslip, you bring it to people's attention, you try and get that scum killed. Instead oats just casually threw out "hey doods its a scum slip," without pursuing it or even explaining what the scumslip was. [/quote] Yeah, you would think as scum that I would go all out on that scumslip right? Funny huh, how Im not playing like mafia. I dont think scumslips actually exist further than info that they shouldnt know like number of mafia in a closed setup game and stuff like that. That was not the case. [quote] - finally, if you really think voting someone early, in an instant-majority game, without explaining yourself further than "let's get this wagon rolling" is a good townie way to play, I would hate to live in a town where you were in charge. The scum motivation for that kind of vote is totally clear. [/quote] Except I can unvote. And unvote. And vote for someone else. Why didnt you bring this up when I first did it if you thought it was objectively scummy?(it isnt.)
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On May 16 2013 03:57 strongandbig wrote: Okay let's talk about this stuff
- Wanting to kill people who "have a bad attitude" or who "are making promises" are classic scum tactics. Scum need to find someone to kill for a reason other than that they are scum, and this is often taken as an easy out. The reason that's the scummiest and worst post in the thread is that oats is trying to pass this off as normal.
Or you didnt read the 'bad' attitude? Coupled with the previous scummiest, that tipped the balance for me.
- I don't care that oats claimed that his vote was stolen, I care that he just casually passed it off without bringing any attention or analysis to it. It's a scummy way to make a claim of kind of an unusual role-mechanic.
Kind sir, can you elaborate on the kind of analysis that you want from a pm that I got saying 'your vote is stolen today''?
- It's not the way that oats came to the conclusion that rayn had scumslipped, it's how he reacted to the supposed scumslip. If you're a townie and you think someone has scumslipped, you jump all over them. You explain why it's a scumslip, you bring it to people's attention, you try and get that scum killed. Instead oats just casually threw out "hey doods its a scum slip," without pursuing it or even explaining what the scumslip was.
Yeah, you would think as scum that I would go all out on that scumslip right? Funny huh, how Im not playing like mafia. I dont think scumslips actually exist further than info that they shouldnt know like number of mafia in a closed setup game and stuff like that. That was not the case.
- finally, if you really think voting someone early, in an instant-majority game, without explaining yourself further than "let's get this wagon rolling" is a good townie way to play, I would hate to live in a town where you were in charge. The scum motivation for that kind of vote is totally clear.
Except I can unvote. And unvote. And vote for someone else. Why didnt you bring this up when I first did it if you thought it was objectively scummy?(it isnt.) [/QUOTE]
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Lol vivax you suck man, why shoot Vayne??
K can we lynch WoS?
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That rayn shot was also kinda weird.
huh. why not prome/bh/VE???
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On May 16 2013 15:05 WaveofShadow wrote: No kill on Prom/BH worries me. The Vivax shot was honestly smart; the guy seems to pick up a strong blue role every game and every game he gets sniped for it. I can't say it was an attempt to frame me either since BH is still alive as well; despite the fact that he dropped me as prime target yesterday he was making it fairly clear he still wanted me dead. Rayn shot was obvious as well.
Um what? Why would the fact that Vivax rolls blues often be a reason why he was shot? So you are saying it was a bluesnipe? On a vig? Like I dont think there are specific vig blue tells that caused him to be shot, so above post is absolutely BULLSHIT.
I've already been called out for this, but the fact that Prom and BH are both still alive and both were the primary proponents of me being scum yesterday means one of them must be scum imo. I am aware the Prom never attempted to push me beyond his initial case/suspicion but it fits with what I'm thinking. I'll attempt to build on this as the day progresses but it really doesn't feel good to me at all.
Which one of them is more likely scum cause they pushed you and WHY?
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On May 16 2013 15:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Oats and BH: This post. Read it and understand where I am coming from. If it's stupid then it's stupid but it's what I'm thinking. I will attempt to build on it. This is the worst heuristic ever. Its like me saying that Marv is scum cause he didnt say 'dear' and LINK LINK to mafia game.
Yeah. No. Answer my questions. BH why not WoS? I have a strong belief that OO is town.
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On May 16 2013 15:22 Blazinghand wrote: i'll lynch WoS if people aren't down for OO but OO is priority one scum. this has been gone over, and it's only more true now that it was before OO skated through a no-lynch like a martyring punk
martyring is null come on. OO is town, I have really good town reads ^^. The reason he didnt get lynched is cause of people like YOU. hehe.
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OH YEAH I HAVE MY VOTE!!.
##Vote: WoS Again with the promises WoS. And you didnt fufill the earlier ones. Tsk. Lying is bad.
BH, WoS martyrs in like almost every game except this one, and so far he has always been town. I am of the opinion that its the same as selfvotes. Selfvotes are null.
Vivax gets town thinking and has a strong in-thread presence, and overall tends to use his blue roles well. I've never played mafia so to be honest I'm unsure as to how the process of blue-sniping goes but Vivax seems as good a shot as any here. Are you serious? You think that Vivax got killed cause of the fact the he uses blue roles well, Y/N?
As far as which I find is more likely scum, I don't know, I have a lot of reading to do. First thoughts obviously because BH is always tunneling me would be that BH is scum and since Prom was actually using his brain that he's town but those wouldn't be very thoughtful or useful reads, would they? Hence me getting my thoughts across to the thread regarding where my mind is at and what I will be trying to do during the day. Shut up and come back when you have determined which dude is scum. After answering my very important questions. What is great about this WoS, is that you didnt bring this up earlier, oh no you only figured this out now. Wow... Wow.
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k cool WoS claiming scum. BH please sheep me What pressure WoS? quote posts that I havent responded too?
Also everyone. WoS said that Vivax got killed cause 1. He is good at blue roles 2. He has a propensity to roll them.
Does this sound really ridiculous to anyone else?
I think it was also established that the Rayn shot was not weird at all.
Timecodes my dear boy. If you look at the context, that was right after the day post and before discussion. Why are you intentionally doing this I wonder. OH RIGHT ITS CAUSE YOU ARE SCUM.
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On May 16 2013 17:14 WaveofShadow wrote: A big, resounding, MEH. Kush you're so sure you have to vote twice, huh? I'm taken aback because I don't like being accused of lying. I don't lie. As for Oats not responding to Rayn's post, if you read through the thread at all, (which we both know you never fucking do) Rayn called Oats scum multiple times before and after that point.
There is nothing to respond to
Oats, you quoted Rayn's post you didn't respond to yourself. Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 15 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats, somebody asked me if i thought if DP faked his role-name, i specifically asked "why are you so sure wall street investor is a town role?". I don't understand how you can, from that, form a conclusion that i was saying DP is a mafia self-aware miller.
rofl.. huh. INTERESTING. Did you defend yourself from sloosh's case? Um misunderstandings/misreading happens? Like I couldnt believe dudes were actually discussing flavor as a part to catching someone as scum, so I assumed that rayn was talking about the role. I was wrong.
I'm also still waiting for you to point out how I lied. Hey let's add to that, how did I claim scum? Need I remind you, like I had to tell BH, just because you say things doesn't make them true.
You lied cause you are a scummy bastard and scummy bastards lie everywhere.
You claimed scum by making a case on me. I am the 'easiest' target compared to Prome and BH, of course you wouldnt attack them right? yeah. Also the shit about Vivax.
Off to bed ladies and gents, more scumhunting tomorrow. [/QUOTE]
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 16 2013 23:50 Promethelax wrote: Up to the bottom of 58, computer dying and switching to tablet. Sorry for wall o text. Please read.
Reevaluating all reads and Catching up:
I really hate how Hiro plays, I'm not sure if
that is alignment indicative though and Hiro
isn't bad when town. A d1 no-lynch punches me
in the soul though.
UPDATE (OO reminded me) vayne's Newbie game
is now over. The reason I feel he is town on
his posting here is that his scum hunting
techniques (bad though they are) remain
consistent from that game to this one. His
thought process here reflects his newbie game
in which he was TOWN since I don't believe he
is a strong enough player to replicate his
town thought process as sccum that means he
is probably TOWN here too. VE, look at this
and provide your thoughts please and thanks.
OO's many posts after my last one look a lot
better than what came before. The effort he
is putting in look like a townie OO and
depending on how he follows them up as I
continue reading I'd say I lean town on him
now. If OO proves town I'm concerned about a
scum VE as Viscera should be way better than
me at reading OO and had him as a town read
but recinded that to follow me and vote him.
I would call these two opposite alignments I
think with a small possibility of both town
but zero possibility OO scum/VE town.
Vivax looks good in these posts (still page
55) don't think he would call a no-lynch a
fail vote as scum. He'd probably fuck off and
laugh. Also his comment about the Katina
picture makes me laugh (dude, can't you tell
that is a girl and not me? I'm way more manly
than that) and making me laugh is a plus one
in my book.
Not a fan of Oats allowing Rayn's claim to
less time IN GAME effect his read. That is a
really stupid thing to do. Unfortunantly its
a stupid thing I think Oats would do as
either town or scum. Oats: if it is said in
game it is a lie until proven otherwise.
Still think Rayn is town though, he looks
good and what he has done in the time he has
been in the thread has ben good so I don't
really care about how active he is, he is one
of the few new guys I expecct to be active as
both alignments so his lowered activity just
doesn't bother me. OO points out the VE problem with towrn read
into vote. I like this, he is thinking
critically, I just wish it was about mroe
than people going after him. Follows it up with suspicion on SnB. Never
mind, OO is probably town. He doesn't have it
in him to do this as scum. SO much reread and
rethink going on here. I don't think I agree
with SnB scum but I'll have to reread after
catching up.
Rayn has good thoughts on SnB, pushes him
(the slot machine) further into town
catagory. He is approaching things the right
way. I have to go reread Oats depending on NK
numbers, not as sure about him=town based
town tell as I was and if NKs don't match up
he is a real possibility for scum.
I'm pretty sure Kush is town. Which is too
bad. Ah well, if he pushes scum lynches for a
while we vig/shoot him since that means he is
scum but for now I'll take him as town based
on his first post on pg 56. Too lazy to go
into it. If you want the meta read ask.
Have no idea what Oats is saying here, still
an idiot (<3) but yeah...reread this
motherfucker. Need to look into this vote
stealer thing, may also be a scum power
where he gives up his vote in return for
something else? No hidden vote appeared on
anyone and so 'stolen' doesn't work. OATS:
what was the prashing of the PM? was your
vote stolen? Or removed or what?
lol Shiro, this kid should still be in
newbies. Mafia is a game of "words againt
words". Rayn, I'd love some insight on this
kid. You've played with him, gimme a rundown
of how he thinks.
Sloosh is a player I haven't even noticed
yet. Not a good sign from a player whom I
respect. Added to reread list. I like his
posts on 56 though so this might be his new
inactive town meta. I'll look again. I do
like his post about Rayn/OO, a lot. Kid can
think. Town side of null on first read.
OO brings up Vayne's play conflicting with
his 'logical townie' playstyle. My impression
is that Vayne thinks of himself as logical
and not emotional not that he is actually
logical instead of emotional. We only get
this 'logical' idea from Vayne himself. And
based on his hissy fit he clearly thinks of
himself as better than he is.
OO again with the good thoughts on SLoosh (pg
57), I don't like to be wrong d1 but I think
I was. Also "farting into the wind" is
hilarious. As he says, Sloosh's play is big
words, which is usually town sloosh, but that
does need to be backed up.
Vayne is so mad. Can someone give him a
handie or something to shut him up and get
him to pay attention. k thx. (still town
though).
I want to see this SnB/OO tiff play out. SnB,
waht do you think about the oats vote steal
and what did occur if he is scum. I doubt a
townie would use votesteal d1 since d1 wagons
are a big part of how one analyses the game
and taking away a vote from scum is awful.
Both OO and SnB want more from Shiro, don't
we all.
SnB bringing up Chaoser is +1 in my book,
where the hell is that guy? VE never followed
up on me asking about him (though neither did
I). VE, BH, prp and SnB (and maaaaybe hiro?)
you guys have been around long enough to know
Chaoser, I'd love some insight.
WTF Vayne with the VE is scum, VE/Prom will
get shot tonight. Sure thing, buddy sure
thing.
bh, why you pop up to talk about how cool you
are and not say anything useful? WoS still
confirmed scum? Y/N.
Vivax picks up on the Vayne idiocy from
above. Good man. I think Vivax is town (and I
hope to hell I'm right since if I am this
will be my first ever right read on Vivax, go
me!).
Pg 58 Oh, so VE is suspicious if he lives
through the night, eh Vayne? What about me?
Why am I not? Or am I misreading your post?
Vivax calls him/bh as nk. Note taken. Viv on
WoS like butter on bread. He thinks WoS is
only scum under pressure though, so OO/Oats
are town? Gotta check if this matches his
earlier reads.
Rayn attacking Vivax while probably wrong is
good sign, if Viv is town he can be quite the
fighter and insighting him as scum = terrible
idea.
VE with the appology post. Gotta relook at
chrono for my meta case on him. Doesn't look
all that similar though night =/= day.
Hiro with the shit talk but no contribution
on BH. That isn't how I think of Hiro's town
game. Didn't he say in ACME obs that I was as
bad as kush since I hadn't cought scum.
Catching scum is everything to him and he
doesn't seem fussed about it. Likely scum.
Needs a reread.
I don't fit into either catagory of WoS
detracotrs or WoS knob gobblers. I am
champion! WoS, you gotta talk to me about why
you have such a you boner and what you
actually think about this shit? Why say bh
will get NK'd? didn't you say scum love to
tunnel/push you? Don't like this from WoS at
all
computer illiterate huh. The preview button not working?
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I like how half your post is about dead people
Not a fan of Oats allowing Rayn's claim to less time IN GAME effect his read. That is a really stupid thing to do. Unfortunately its a stupid thing I think Oats would do as either town or scum. Oats: if it is said in game it is a lie until proven otherwise. Where?
Also, my vote was stolen, and there was an anonymous vote on Hiro if im not mistaken. So yeah im totally confirmed town now.
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On May 17 2013 00:12 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:I like how half your post is about dead people Not a fan of Oats allowing Rayn's claim to less time IN GAME effect his read. That is a really stupid thing to do. Unfortunately its a stupid thing I think Oats would do as either town or scum. Oats: if it is said in game it is a lie until proven otherwise. Where? Also, my vote was stolen, and there was an anonymous vote on Hiro if im not mistaken. So yeah im totally confirmed town now. Will find it for you. And no there was a vote miscounted on hiro. I really don't like you calling yourself confirmed town over this. Fuck I wish you still sucked butts at scum so I could meta read you. Oh But yeah format of pm was 'your vote was stolen bla bla'
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Oats too sure that Vivax shot vayne. Oats: why are you sure that 1: Vivax shot and 2: he shot vayne? Because of reasons. Vivax flipped Vigi. Vigi's usually shoot early. Vayne is perfect vigi shot.
Vayne is sucky any other alignment shot.
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On May 17 2013 00:47 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 00:41 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats too sure that Vivax shot vayne. Oats: why are you sure that 1: Vivax shot and 2: he shot vayne? Because of reasons. Vivax flipped Vigi. Vigi's usually shoot early. Vayne is perfect vigi shot. Vayne is sucky any other alignment shot. True enough. Any filter proof? none.
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