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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 15 2013 07:43 GMT
#1093
On May 15 2013 16:38 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 16:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 15 2013 16:25 Vivax wrote:
You people are so abysmally bad.

You should simply go read how WoS treats BH when he was pushing him, earlier in the day.
If you can read.
Then you will notice he shovels shit at him without ever making a case, but in the next moment he tries to tell him that he's (WoS) not scum in begging tone.

He completely stopped pursuing his Oats scumread. Literally everything could do for him, late in the day.

There is no target for WoS.

Wake up baddies

where you during lynch bro?

Does anything else stick out for you other than WoS being scum from the last 5 or so hours?


I think I saw some guy playing this game without his pants on. He also had a weird reason to hide his face.

I didnt see that. Are you seeing a doctor for your hallucinations?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 15 2013 08:04 GMT
#1096
On May 15 2013 16:46 Vivax wrote:
Oats, could you expand on your prplhz townread? I'm interested in your reasoning.

Well, prp is pushing Hiro lynch. Hiro is scummy and OMGUS'ed prp. so a person that OMGUS's another person, therefore that other person is town. So prp is town.

Also, I played with scum prp, and he seemed a lot angrier. And he was epically useless the time he was alive. Different from here. Every game prp plays he gets pressured cause he plays like this lol.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 15 2013 12:51 GMT
#1108
I read your words as really weird, like I thought you meant the role 'self aware miller' rather than the flavor name. Cause NO ONE was talking about the flavour name.

Also I said that the votestealer was scum,
3 reasons why they didnt hammer OO.
1. He is scum
2. He is gonna be highly suspect d2 and may take up discussing the whole day again cause we aint got a resolution
3. Scum afk.

So I think that reasons 2 and 3 are more likely than reason 1.
OO, the reason why I wanted to switch onto you, is cause no lynch is THE WORST day 1. Like the only information we will get tomorrow that is reliable is probably flips of 2 obv town players. So all the lynch candidates still up for grabs/death.
So we lose the possible analysis of those 2 good at town players from your death, and instead this is n0 with more content basically. Not good.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 15 2013 14:56 GMT
#1110
On May 15 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, somebody asked me if i thought if DP faked his role-name, i specifically asked "why are you so sure wall street investor is a town role?". I don't understand how you can, from that, form a conclusion that i was saying DP is a mafia self-aware miller.

rofl..

huh.
INTERESTING.

Did you defend yourself from sloosh's case?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 15 2013 16:31 GMT
#1114
On May 16 2013 01:19 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 16:25 Vivax wrote:
You people are so abysmally bad.

You should simply go read how WoS treats BH when he was pushing him, earlier in the day.
If you can read.
Then you will notice he shovels shit at him without ever making a case, but in the next moment he tries to tell him that he's (WoS) not scum in begging tone.

He completely stopped pursuing his Oats scumread. Literally everything could do for him, late in the day.

There is no target for WoS.

Wake up baddies

Vivax, what do you mean? If anything Oats was one of the more viable deflection targets should WoS be scum.

Who do you want to lynch tmr sloosh? Rayn? Also current read on OO?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 03:42 GMT
#1167
[QUOTE]On May 16 2013 03:57 strongandbig wrote:
Okay let's talk about this stuff

- Wanting to kill people who "have a bad attitude" or who "are making promises" are classic scum tactics. Scum need to find someone to kill for a reason other than that they are scum, and this is often taken as an easy out. The reason that's the scummiest and worst post in the thread is that oats is trying to pass this off as normal.
[quote]
Or you didnt read the 'bad' attitude? Coupled with the previous scummiest, that tipped the balance for me.
[quote]
- I don't care that oats claimed that his vote was stolen, I care that he just casually passed it off without bringing any attention or analysis to it. It's a scummy way to make a claim of kind of an unusual role-mechanic.
[/quote]
Kind sir, can you elaborate on the kind of analysis that you want from a pm that I got saying 'your vote is stolen today''?
[quote]
- It's not the way that oats came to the conclusion that rayn had scumslipped, it's how he reacted to the supposed scumslip. If you're a townie and you think someone has scumslipped, you jump all over them. You explain why it's a scumslip, you bring it to people's attention, you try and get that scum killed. Instead oats just casually threw out "hey doods its a scum slip," without pursuing it or even explaining what the scumslip was.
[/quote]
Yeah, you would think as scum that I would go all out on that scumslip right? Funny huh, how Im not playing like mafia.
I dont think scumslips actually exist further than info that they shouldnt know like number of mafia in a closed setup game and stuff like that. That was not the case.
[quote]
- finally, if you really think voting someone early, in an instant-majority game, without explaining yourself further than "let's get this wagon rolling" is a good townie way to play, I would hate to live in a town where you were in charge. The scum motivation for that kind of vote is totally clear.
[/quote]
Except I can unvote. And unvote. And vote for someone else.
Why didnt you bring this up when I first did it if you thought it was objectively scummy?(it isnt.)
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 03:43 GMT
#1169
On May 16 2013 03:57 strongandbig wrote:
Okay let's talk about this stuff

- Wanting to kill people who "have a bad attitude" or who "are making promises" are classic scum tactics. Scum need to find someone to kill for a reason other than that they are scum, and this is often taken as an easy out. The reason that's the scummiest and worst post in the thread is that oats is trying to pass this off as normal.

Or you didnt read the 'bad' attitude? Coupled with the previous scummiest, that tipped the balance for me.

- I don't care that oats claimed that his vote was stolen, I care that he just casually passed it off without bringing any attention or analysis to it. It's a scummy way to make a claim of kind of an unusual role-mechanic.

Kind sir, can you elaborate on the kind of analysis that you want from a pm that I got saying 'your vote is stolen today''?

- It's not the way that oats came to the conclusion that rayn had scumslipped, it's how he reacted to the supposed scumslip. If you're a townie and you think someone has scumslipped, you jump all over them. You explain why it's a scumslip, you bring it to people's attention, you try and get that scum killed. Instead oats just casually threw out "hey doods its a scum slip," without pursuing it or even explaining what the scumslip was.

Yeah, you would think as scum that I would go all out on that scumslip right? Funny huh, how Im not playing like mafia.
I dont think scumslips actually exist further than info that they shouldnt know like number of mafia in a closed setup game and stuff like that. That was not the case.

- finally, if you really think voting someone early, in an instant-majority game, without explaining yourself further than "let's get this wagon rolling" is a good townie way to play, I would hate to live in a town where you were in charge. The scum motivation for that kind of vote is totally clear.

Except I can unvote. And unvote. And vote for someone else.
Why didnt you bring this up when I first did it if you thought it was objectively scummy?(it isnt.)
[/QUOTE]
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 05:15 GMT
#1175
Lol vivax you suck man, why shoot Vayne??


K can we lynch WoS?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 05:28 GMT
#1176
That rayn shot was also kinda weird.

huh.
why not prome/bh/VE???
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 06:11 GMT
#1183
On May 16 2013 15:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
No kill on Prom/BH worries me. The Vivax shot was honestly smart; the guy seems to pick up a strong blue role every game and every game he gets sniped for it. I can't say it was an attempt to frame me either since BH is still alive as well; despite the fact that he dropped me as prime target yesterday he was making it fairly clear he still wanted me dead. Rayn shot was obvious as well.

Um what? Why would the fact that Vivax rolls blues often be a reason why he was shot? So you are saying it was a bluesnipe? On a vig? Like I dont think there are specific vig blue tells that caused him to be shot, so above post is absolutely BULLSHIT.

I've already been called out for this, but the fact that Prom and BH are both still alive and both were the primary proponents of me being scum yesterday means one of them must be scum imo. I am aware the Prom never attempted to push me beyond his initial case/suspicion but it fits with what I'm thinking. I'll attempt to build on this as the day progresses but it really doesn't feel good to me at all.

Which one of them is more likely scum cause they pushed you and WHY?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 06:21 GMT
#1193
On May 16 2013 15:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oats and BH:
This post. Read it and understand where I am coming from.
If it's stupid then it's stupid but it's what I'm thinking.
I will attempt to build on it.

Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 00:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha I just realized something.
In almost every game I have played, all of the wagons that have a chance of getting me mislynched early are started by scum.
See: kita in The Game.
Tunkeg in Ego Mini.
I feel like there's another good example but I can't think of it right now.

Prom if you'd like proof of this I can post links and shit later on.
Here's one actually.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402057&currentpage=64#1272


This is the worst heuristic ever. Its like me saying that Marv is scum cause he didnt say 'dear' and LINK LINK to mafia game.

Yeah.
No.
Answer my questions.
BH why not WoS? I have a strong belief that OO is town.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 06:24 GMT
#1197
On May 16 2013 15:22 Blazinghand wrote:
i'll lynch WoS if people aren't down for OO but OO is priority one scum. this has been gone over, and it's only more true now that it was before OO skated through a no-lynch like a martyring punk


martyring is null come on. OO is town, I have really good town reads ^^.
The reason he didnt get lynched is cause of people like YOU. hehe.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 06:31 GMT
#1202
OH YEAH I HAVE MY VOTE!!.

##Vote: WoS
Again with the promises WoS. And you didnt fufill the earlier ones. Tsk. Lying is bad.

BH, WoS martyrs in like almost every game except this one, and so far he has always been town. I am of the opinion that its the same as selfvotes. Selfvotes are null.

Vivax gets town thinking and has a strong in-thread presence, and overall tends to use his blue roles well. I've never played mafia so to be honest I'm unsure as to how the process of blue-sniping goes but Vivax seems as good a shot as any here.

Are you serious? You think that Vivax got killed cause of the fact the he uses blue roles well, Y/N?

As far as which I find is more likely scum, I don't know, I have a lot of reading to do. First thoughts obviously because BH is always tunneling me would be that BH is scum and since Prom was actually using his brain that he's town but those wouldn't be very thoughtful or useful reads, would they? Hence me getting my thoughts across to the thread regarding where my mind is at and what I will be trying to do during the day.

Shut up and come back when you have determined which dude is scum. After answering my very important questions.
What is great about this WoS, is that you didnt bring this up earlier, oh no you only figured this out now. Wow... Wow.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 07:51 GMT
#1207
k cool
WoS claiming scum.
BH please sheep me
What pressure WoS? quote posts that I havent responded too?

Also everyone.
WoS said that Vivax got killed cause
1. He is good at blue roles
2. He has a propensity to roll them.

Does this sound really ridiculous to anyone else?

I think it was also established that the Rayn shot was not weird at all.

Timecodes my dear boy. If you look at the context, that was right after the day post and before discussion. Why are you intentionally doing this I wonder. OH RIGHT ITS CAUSE YOU ARE SCUM.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 08:20 GMT
#1209
On May 16 2013 17:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
A big, resounding, MEH.
Kush you're so sure you have to vote twice, huh? I'm taken aback because I don't like being accused of lying. I don't lie. As for Oats not responding to Rayn's post, if you read through the thread at all, (which we both know you never fucking do) Rayn called Oats scum multiple times before and after that point.

There is nothing to respond to


Oats, you quoted Rayn's post you didn't respond to yourself.
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 15 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, somebody asked me if i thought if DP faked his role-name, i specifically asked "why are you so sure wall street investor is a town role?". I don't understand how you can, from that, form a conclusion that i was saying DP is a mafia self-aware miller.

rofl..

huh.
INTERESTING.

Did you defend yourself from sloosh's case?


Um misunderstandings/misreading happens? Like I couldnt believe dudes were actually discussing flavor as a part to catching someone as scum, so I assumed that rayn was talking about the role. I was wrong.


I'm also still waiting for you to point out how I lied.
Hey let's add to that, how did I claim scum? Need I remind you, like I had to tell BH, just because you say things doesn't make them true.

You lied cause you are a scummy bastard and scummy bastards lie everywhere.

You claimed scum by making a case on me. I am the 'easiest' target compared to Prome and BH, of course you wouldnt attack them right? yeah. Also the shit about Vivax.

Off to bed ladies and gents, more scumhunting tomorrow. [/QUOTE]
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 14:54 GMT
#1216
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 16 2013 23:50 Promethelax wrote:
Up to the bottom of 58, computer dying and switching to tablet. Sorry for wall o text. Please read.

Reevaluating all reads and Catching up:

I really hate how Hiro plays, I'm not sure if

that is alignment indicative though and Hiro

isn't bad when town. A d1 no-lynch punches me

in the soul though.

UPDATE (OO reminded me) vayne's Newbie game

is now over. The reason I feel he is town on

his posting here is that his scum hunting

techniques (bad though they are) remain

consistent from that game to this one. His

thought process here reflects his newbie game

in which he was TOWN since I don't believe he

is a strong enough player to replicate his

town thought process as sccum that means he

is probably TOWN here too. VE, look at this

and provide your thoughts please and thanks.

OO's many posts after my last one look a lot

better than what came before. The effort he

is putting in look like a townie OO and

depending on how he follows them up as I

continue reading I'd say I lean town on him

now. If OO proves town I'm concerned about a

scum VE as Viscera should be way better than

me at reading OO and had him as a town read

but recinded that to follow me and vote him.

I would call these two opposite alignments I

think with a small possibility of both town

but zero possibility OO scum/VE town.

Vivax looks good in these posts (still page

55) don't think he would call a no-lynch a

fail vote as scum. He'd probably fuck off and

laugh. Also his comment about the Katina

picture makes me laugh (dude, can't you tell

that is a girl and not me? I'm way more manly

than that) and making me laugh is a plus one

in my book.

Not a fan of Oats allowing Rayn's claim to

less time IN GAME effect his read. That is a

really stupid thing to do. Unfortunantly its

a stupid thing I think Oats would do as

either town or scum. Oats: if it is said in

game it is a lie until proven otherwise.

Still think Rayn is town though, he looks

good and what he has done in the time he has

been in the thread has ben good so I don't

really care about how active he is, he is one

of the few new guys I expecct to be active as

both alignments so his lowered activity just

doesn't bother me.

OO points out the VE problem with towrn read

into vote. I like this, he is thinking

critically, I just wish it was about mroe

than people going after him.
Follows it up with suspicion on SnB. Never

mind, OO is probably town. He doesn't have it

in him to do this as scum. SO much reread and

rethink going on here. I don't think I agree

with SnB scum but I'll have to reread after

catching up.

Rayn has good thoughts on SnB, pushes him

(the slot machine) further into town

catagory. He is approaching things the right

way. I have to go reread Oats depending on NK

numbers, not as sure about him=town based

town tell as I was and if NKs don't match up

he is a real possibility for scum.

I'm pretty sure Kush is town. Which is too

bad. Ah well, if he pushes scum lynches for a

while we vig/shoot him since that means he is

scum but for now I'll take him as town based

on his first post on pg 56. Too lazy to go

into it. If you want the meta read ask.

Have no idea what Oats is saying here, still

an idiot (<3) but yeah...reread this

motherfucker. Need to look into this vote

stealer thing, may also be a scum power

where he gives up his vote in return for

something else? No hidden vote appeared on

anyone and so 'stolen' doesn't work. OATS:

what was the prashing of the PM? was your

vote stolen? Or removed or what?

lol Shiro, this kid should still be in

newbies. Mafia is a game of "words againt

words". Rayn, I'd love some insight on this

kid. You've played with him, gimme a rundown

of how he thinks.

Sloosh is a player I haven't even noticed

yet. Not a good sign from a player whom I

respect. Added to reread list. I like his

posts on 56 though so this might be his new

inactive town meta. I'll look again. I do

like his post about Rayn/OO, a lot. Kid can

think. Town side of null on first read.

OO brings up Vayne's play conflicting with

his 'logical townie' playstyle. My impression

is that Vayne thinks of himself as logical

and not emotional not that he is actually

logical instead of emotional. We only get

this 'logical' idea from Vayne himself. And

based on his hissy fit he clearly thinks of

himself as better than he is.

OO again with the good thoughts on SLoosh (pg

57), I don't like to be wrong d1 but I think

I was. Also "farting into the wind" is

hilarious. As he says, Sloosh's play is big

words, which is usually town sloosh, but that

does need to be backed up.

Vayne is so mad. Can someone give him a

handie or something to shut him up and get

him to pay attention. k thx. (still town

though).

I want to see this SnB/OO tiff play out. SnB,

waht do you think about the oats vote steal

and what did occur if he is scum. I doubt a

townie would use votesteal d1 since d1 wagons

are a big part of how one analyses the game

and taking away a vote from scum is awful.

Both OO and SnB want more from Shiro, don't

we all.

SnB bringing up Chaoser is +1 in my book,

where the hell is that guy? VE never followed

up on me asking about him (though neither did

I). VE, BH, prp and SnB (and maaaaybe hiro?)

you guys have been around long enough to know

Chaoser, I'd love some insight.


WTF Vayne with the VE is scum, VE/Prom will

get shot tonight. Sure thing, buddy sure

thing.

bh, why you pop up to talk about how cool you

are and not say anything useful? WoS still

confirmed scum? Y/N.

Vivax picks up on the Vayne idiocy from

above. Good man. I think Vivax is town (and I

hope to hell I'm right since if I am this

will be my first ever right read on Vivax, go

me!).

Pg 58 Oh, so VE is suspicious if he lives

through the night, eh Vayne? What about me?

Why am I not? Or am I misreading your post?

Vivax calls him/bh as nk. Note taken. Viv on

WoS like butter on bread. He thinks WoS is

only scum under pressure though, so OO/Oats

are town? Gotta check if this matches his

earlier reads.

Rayn attacking Vivax while probably wrong is

good sign, if Viv is town he can be quite the

fighter and insighting him as scum = terrible

idea.

VE with the appology post. Gotta relook at

chrono for my meta case on him. Doesn't look

all that similar though night =/= day.

Hiro with the shit talk but no contribution

on BH. That isn't how I think of Hiro's town

game. Didn't he say in ACME obs that I was as

bad as kush since I hadn't cought scum.

Catching scum is everything to him and he

doesn't seem fussed about it. Likely scum.

Needs a reread.

I don't fit into either catagory of WoS

detracotrs or WoS knob gobblers. I am

champion! WoS, you gotta talk to me about why

you have such a you boner and what you

actually think about this shit? Why say bh

will get NK'd? didn't you say scum love to

tunnel/push you? Don't like this from WoS at

all




computer illiterate huh. The preview button not working?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 15:11 GMT
#1219
I like how half your post is about dead people

Not a fan of Oats allowing Rayn's claim to less time IN GAME effect his read. That is a really stupid thing to do. Unfortunately its a stupid thing I think Oats would do as either town or scum. Oats: if it is said in game it is a lie until proven otherwise.

Where?

Also, my vote was stolen, and there was an anonymous vote on Hiro if im not mistaken. So yeah im totally confirmed town now.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 15:24 GMT
#1221
On May 17 2013 00:12 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
I like how half your post is about dead people

Not a fan of Oats allowing Rayn's claim to less time IN GAME effect his read. That is a really stupid thing to do. Unfortunately its a stupid thing I think Oats would do as either town or scum. Oats: if it is said in game it is a lie until proven otherwise.

Where?

Also, my vote was stolen, and there was an anonymous vote on Hiro if im not mistaken. So yeah im totally confirmed town now.


Will find it for you. And no there was a vote miscounted on hiro. I really don't like you calling yourself confirmed town over this. Fuck I wish you still sucked butts at scum so I could meta read you.

Oh
But yeah format of pm was 'your vote was stolen bla bla'
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 16 2013 15:41 GMT
#1224
Oats too sure that Vivax shot vayne. Oats: why are you sure that 1: Vivax shot and 2: he shot vayne?

Because of reasons.
Vivax flipped Vigi. Vigi's usually shoot early. Vayne is perfect vigi shot.

Vayne is sucky any other alignment shot.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
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May 16 2013 15:57 GMT
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On May 17 2013 00:47 Promethelax wrote:
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On May 17 2013 00:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oats too sure that Vivax shot vayne. Oats: why are you sure that 1: Vivax shot and 2: he shot vayne?

Because of reasons.
Vivax flipped Vigi. Vigi's usually shoot early. Vayne is perfect vigi shot.

Vayne is sucky any other alignment shot.


True enough. Any filter proof?

none.
No gg, No skill.
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