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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 04:51 GMT
#334
Also someone stole my fucking vote .

Joke's on them though, I never actually vote for scum.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 05:05 GMT
#337
On May 13 2013 14:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
I am also suspicious of prplhz and anyone else in this thread that went out of their way to communicate with kita.

Why?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 05:12 GMT
#340
On May 13 2013 14:06 Blazinghand wrote:
21 players with 5 mafia is 2kp normally. Unless someone got protected (possible) the simplest explanation is mafia is responsible for both NKs. That being said I wouldn't be surprised, looking at the signup list, if a vig herped so hard that he derped and shot DP.

Why would mafia shoot DP other than the fact that he is actually good at mafia [small]unlike you [small]? He is under a decent amount of pressure and could sidetrack town for a significant portion of d1 possibly. There are better shots IMO.

Prome please come and make yourself confirmed town. Game would be a lot easier that way.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 05:13 GMT
#341
On May 13 2013 14:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
also to oats, because from experience people that are friends with adequate players and on different alignments go out of their way to kill those that they know for sure are good players.

Um. Everyone with any amount of experience knows that Kita is a good player.
What are some of the interactions with Kita that seem scummy to you?
What makes that person scummy?
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 05:20 GMT
#344
On May 13 2013 14:14 Blazinghand wrote:
The problem that like you and 90% of the TL Mafia community have is that you look for complex scenarios, for WTHTD, when really most of the time you should just assume things went relatively simply. This is a fairly large game with 5 scum. Games this size, scum tends to have 2 kp. Two people flipped.

Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong.

WTHTD?

How does thinking that 2 kp or 1 kp 1 vig, be different in the way that someone plays the game?
Like why does it matter what we think for d1?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 05:39 GMT
#350
On May 13 2013 14:28 Blazinghand wrote:
wine that's harder to drink

im not saying the other explanation doesn't have merit, i'm just saying you guys are wrong and i'm right until proven otherwise. default position is i'm right

Who is scum, man who is always right?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 06:28 GMT
#353
On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.

I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.

This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.

Why are you posting this?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 06:37 GMT
#356
Why would you waste the time writing a really really useless post?
That was basically.

"I know why mafia shot DP and Kita and we should totally not talk at night"
Why?

'I felt like it' doesnt cut it.
Who is scummy WoS?
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 06:46 GMT
#359
On May 13 2013 15:38 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 13 2013 04:40 Vivax wrote:
And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up?

And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question.


What do you guys think of this post as answer?

I have no clue what it means

You are saying that DP fakeclaimed right?
And rayn is saying that Wall-street investor could be scum.Right. That makes no sense because I assume he thinks that DP's role, Self aware miller could be a scum role. Which it cant cause DUHHHH.
So rayn scum slipped kinda. But its not really scummy the way he phrased that.

TLDR: Rayn scumslipped.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 06:46 GMT
#360
WoS,
answer the question.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 07:03 GMT
#363
On May 13 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Already did. Check any of my other games and see how often I come up with a scumread D1.

There are 2 questions.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 07:04 GMT
#365
On May 13 2013 15:56 Vivax wrote:
It's not a matter of scumslip, it's a matter of tone. Rayn is subtly being aggressive towards me in that post when all he would have to say is that he thinks DP could have fakeclaimed with his scum rolename.

The "where are you going with your questioning" is one of the things that hit me about him, he is supposed to argue for DP being scum in his position, so he shouldn't have reason to be so neurotic about someone asking him out about it.

I read it as scum not feeling comfortable being asked about that, so he quickly stepped on the defensive thinking that I was attacking him with that question.

Oh the role name? What does that have to do with anything? Why is Rayn even mentioning that? RAYN???
Is there anything else that stands out?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 07:40 GMT
#373
Techincally I would kill DP n1 cause he caught me both times I played scum.
Why..................................
Are you being this useless Prome?

Also I have mad skillz in scumslipping right? yeah... .try harder bro.

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 07:44 GMT
#375
Also.

OO is scum because he thought that the kill might be from 3P, in an Ace game, in a closed setup. Righhttttttttt.

Give me more meat on OO being scum please or something other than OO OMGUSing DP.
Come on.

Traps are stuff both town and scum set up, and its true that DP didnt address the main point which was that he talked a lot about how he was townie(thats what I got from the 'trap post'). But no, DP doesnt like meta. Who knew?? WHOO???
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 07:56 GMT
#380
On May 13 2013 16:51 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 16:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also.

OO is scum because he thought that the kill might be from 3P, in an Ace game, in a closed setup. Righhttttttttt.

Give me more meat on OO being scum please or something other than OO OMGUSing DP.
Come on.

Traps are stuff both town and scum set up, and its true that DP didnt address the main point which was that he talked a lot about how he was townie(thats what I got from the 'trap post'). But no, DP doesnt like meta. Who knew?? WHOO???


OO is scum because I haven't liked the movement of his thoughts. The kill thing you are misunderstanding entirely. He says that scum could have killed DP because they thought that DP was 3p (something I hadn't considered myself). I couldn't think of a good reason to kill town dp from a scum pov since there was pressure on him but OO had the reason ready made. Scum know why they shot who they shot. Make sense?

No? Scum doesnt want to kill 3P day 1.
I said he was vigged. So am I scum too because I have a readymade reason why scum didnt shot DP?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 08:05 GMT
#382
On May 13 2013 17:01 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 13 2013 16:51 Promethelax wrote:
On May 13 2013 16:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also.

OO is scum because he thought that the kill might be from 3P, in an Ace game, in a closed setup. Righhttttttttt.

Give me more meat on OO being scum please or something other than OO OMGUSing DP.
Come on.

Traps are stuff both town and scum set up, and its true that DP didnt address the main point which was that he talked a lot about how he was townie(thats what I got from the 'trap post'). But no, DP doesnt like meta. Who knew?? WHOO???


OO is scum because I haven't liked the movement of his thoughts. The kill thing you are misunderstanding entirely. He says that scum could have killed DP because they thought that DP was 3p (something I hadn't considered myself). I couldn't think of a good reason to kill town dp from a scum pov since there was pressure on him but OO had the reason ready made. Scum know why they shot who they shot. Make sense?

No? Scum doesnt want to kill 3P day 1.
I said he was vigged. So am I scum too because I have a readymade reason why scum didnt shot DP?


My assumption is that scum did shoot DP because that makes most sense in this set-up. As such I think you are town based on your calling it a vig shot. If however it turns out DP was vigged my reads reverse it doesn't matter that OO/WoS had reasons for scum to hit DP and it does matter that you thought he was vigged.

I, as scum, wouldn't want to hit 3p day one. OO clearly thought it was optimal scum play though.
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 14:29 ObviousOne wrote:
On May 13 2013 14:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
On May 13 2013 14:14 Blazinghand wrote:
The problem that like you and 90% of the TL Mafia community have is that you look for complex scenarios, for WTHTD, when really most of the time you should just assume things went relatively simply. This is a fairly large game with 5 scum. Games this size, scum tends to have 2 kp. Two people flipped.

Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong.


the problem for me is the motive behind killing darth. zero way of confirming him as town and he was scheduled to be a high lynch priority this next day. Maybe mafia thought he was hiding a PR role behind his bogus claim? probably my top guess right now as that is something I would do.

I also said he might be 3P and mafia would probably want to eliminate that.


And OO is the only one on the scum team. Right.
If scum shot DP, they shot him cause he is good player. Thats the only reason.

What is weird about WoS interaction with BH?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 08:12 GMT
#384
On May 13 2013 17:09 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.

I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.

This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.


If you are town there is exactly one thing to make of this. Stating it like this is much more of a 'look I'm townie too' gesture than a 'interesting we agree on everything, I find you town' post should be. WoS doesn't even develop a read on BH, as town your goal should be to discern everyone's alignment but he is not trying to read bh, just telling him that they share thoughts.

Is it newbie or scummy?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 08:17 GMT
#387
On May 13 2013 17:13 Promethelax wrote:
I find it scummy. Do you disagree? If so on what grounds?

I find it newbie honestly.
Like he is not sure what alignment that makes BH because he has never had the same thoughts as him with BH being scum or town. And since he is newbie, he doesnt know that its a towntell if you agree with someone on a certain issue.
So yeah newbie.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 08:27 GMT
#389
On May 13 2013 17:23 Promethelax wrote:
So you read it as genuine and think Wos is town?

I read it as a kind of post that a townie would make.

Not lynching him today.

He is being useless though

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 13 2013 08:35 GMT
#391
Vayne at this point.

VE is also disturbing me with his non townieness.
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