Carnival Cruise Mafia - Page 2

On May 13 2013 14:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
I am also suspicious of prplhz and anyone else in this thread that went out of their way to communicate with kita.

On May 13 2013 14:06 Blazinghand wrote:
21 players with 5 mafia is 2kp normally. Unless someone got protected (possible) the simplest explanation is mafia is responsible for both NKs. That being said I wouldn't be surprised, looking at the signup list, if a vig herped so hard that he derped and shot DP.

On May 13 2013 14:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
also to oats, because from experience people that are friends with adequate players and on different alignments go out of their way to kill those that they know for sure are good players.

On May 13 2013 14:14 Blazinghand wrote:
The problem that like you and 90% of the TL Mafia community have is that you look for complex scenarios, for WTHTD, when really most of the time you should just assume things went relatively simply. This is a fairly large game with 5 scum. Games this size, scum tends to have 2 kp. Two people flipped.

Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong.

On May 13 2013 14:28 Blazinghand wrote:
wine that's harder to drink

im not saying the other explanation doesn't have merit, i'm just saying you guys are wrong and i'm right until proven otherwise. default position is i'm right

On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.

I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.

This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.

On May 13 2013 15:38 Vivax wrote:


What do you guys think of this post as answer?

On May 13 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Already did. Check any of my other games and see how often I come up with a scumread D1.

On May 13 2013 15:56 Vivax wrote:
It's not a matter of scumslip, it's a matter of tone. Rayn is subtly being aggressive towards me in that post when all he would have to say is that he thinks DP could have fakeclaimed with his scum rolename.

The "where are you going with your questioning" is one of the things that hit me about him, he is supposed to argue for DP being scum in his position, so he shouldn't have reason to be so neurotic about someone asking him out about it.

I read it as scum not feeling comfortable being asked about that, so he quickly stepped on the defensive thinking that I was attacking him with that question.

On May 13 2013 16:51 Promethelax wrote:


OO is scum because I haven't liked the movement of his thoughts. The kill thing you are misunderstanding entirely. He says that scum could have killed DP because they thought that DP was 3p (something I hadn't considered myself). I couldn't think of a good reason to kill town dp from a scum pov since there was pressure on him but OO had the reason ready made. Scum know why they shot who they shot. Make sense?

On May 13 2013 17:01 Promethelax wrote:


My assumption is that scum did shoot DP because that makes most sense in this set-up. As such I think you are town based on your calling it a vig shot. If however it turns out DP was vigged my reads reverse it doesn't matter that OO/WoS had reasons for scum to hit DP and it does matter that you thought he was vigged.

I, as scum, wouldn't want to hit 3p day one. OO clearly thought it was optimal scum play though.

On May 13 2013 17:09 Promethelax wrote:


If you are town there is exactly one thing to make of this. Stating it like this is much more of a 'look I'm townie too' gesture than a 'interesting we agree on everything, I find you town' post should be. WoS doesn't even develop a read on BH, as town your goal should be to discern everyone's alignment but he is not trying to read bh, just telling him that they share thoughts.

On May 13 2013 17:13 Promethelax wrote:
I find it scummy. Do you disagree? If so on what grounds?

On May 13 2013 17:23 Promethelax wrote:
So you read it as genuine and think Wos is town?