|
On April 15 2013 16:52 SamuelLJackson wrote:
There's content and it's day 1. If that's the standard, or excuse, you are going to use to lynch and nuke people on day 1, you aren't going to be winning many games.
Your "content" boiled down to a lurker lynch.
This:
On April 14 2013 02:41 SamuelLJackson wrote:FondleMyButtocks looks suspicious. His bigger posts look constructed rather than free flowing and he isn't doing anything with his few other posts. Going after Vivax/kush hydra is fine, but his reasons look forced to me. Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 21:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 13 2013 08:40 VIVAX420 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote MockArmor
Almost forgot that the guy found joining the pre-game banter funny but when the game started he didn't feel that much like joking. Must be discussing stuff elsewhere! the soft calling of someone as scum through the idea of 'posting somewhere else' of course they are posting somewhere else. I got a qt in my role pm. You got a qt too. We all did, its a hydra game! Stupid way to phrase this, it feels like over justification. It's not "soft calling" when you throw your vote down and stupid does not equal mafia. It was a short, semi serious early game vote post with only one justification. Not at all an "over justification", there was only one reason for the vote. His other reasons for finding vivax420 suspicious look similarly manufactured. The way he words his case and frames vivax420's posts overall does not feel genuine and open-minded (e.g. "supposed to be 420's concise thoughts", "even gives us a lynchable list"). The random comment about wanting to "almost" lynch GK for tradition's sake also looks like kind of fluff mafia likes to add to their post. Phagga are you going to write that mockarmor case?
Is highly subjective. You provide a lot of adjectives that describe FMB's play, but your only quote of them is essentially that you disagree with their analysis. You say it's "manufactured" but never provide context to this; you don't take the time to show what something that is "manufactured" looks like, in the strictest sense. How am I supposed to know how you got your read, from this? How can I hold you accountable for the analysis that you provide here when I have no context?
I'm talking so much about this single post because it is, in essence, the only post I need to look at in your entire filter to determine your level of contribution for the day. Aside from this read, your contributions to the game have not been very deep or thought-provoking whatsoever, so I expect a high standard. Did this meet my expectation? Not at all.
The entire basis of the rest of your reads of this game is a judgement of the worth of their contributions, so I feel like it's completely fair to apply it to you. I deem your case unworthy. If you are town, you are not trying very hard to seem it, and I will not suffer you calling the thread idiots in an attempt to bully them out of their read, or in the hopes that you scare a weak anti-nuker into saving you and giving you more time to look town.
The fact that you come in here berating me, Palmar, and the rest of the thread for logically concluding that a syllo that gives no fucks is a syllo we want dead, is abhorrent. People criticize my reads in that I generally hold people to a high standard of play, and call "bad play" scum in a lot of instances, but in truth it only reflects my view of the game. If you are town for how you've played this game, you should know that you are only giving a place in which mafia can hide. Your job, as town, is to LOOK town, and if you have failed to give me reason to think you are town, I will not assume responsibility for lynching you.
Unfortunately, you only have so much time to do so. It seems as if you've run out. I do think you had adequate time for a player of your capabilities to look town, however, so you have no one to blame for me nuking you than yourself.
|
But syllo knows all of that anyway, and would not be criticizing me for doing this; he would be providing what reads he could in the time he did have. He would know that it could only be through this path of action that an anti-nuker could feel comfortable enough to shoot down the nuke.
|
I'm going to bed soon, and I'm not going to arguing with you point-for-point, so I'll make this short and sweet.
You know and I know that the possibility of there existing an anti-nuker in this game is real.
Regardless of your alignment, your only chance for survival is to convince the anti-nuker (if he exists) that you should be given more time, or that you're actually town, etc.
What I want this potential anti-nuker to know is that to truly understand your mindset, he must look at your immediate reaction to finding out you were going to die:
On April 15 2013 13:51 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Jesus christ you people aren't too bright. I was asleep and sandro was posting. I told you I had 30 minutes. Can anyone actually explain what about my play makes me mafia? No one has even attempted to.
On April 15 2013 13:55 SamuelLJackson wrote:
I'm not mafia, and even if you think I'm mafia, DESPITE THERE BEING NO CASE AT ALL, you should shoot that nuke down as it confirms a player and gives us the chance to convince you otherwise
On April 15 2013 13:58 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 13:56 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
By that I mean:
Until you scumhunt, you die. Can you point to a single thing in my filter that is indicative of me not being straightforward with my thoughts? No, because it's not possible. Your case amounts to a stupid meta assumption of me always, under every circumstances and format, being useful and not lazy. You aren't even trying.
On April 15 2013 14:00 SamuelLJackson wrote:
If there is an anti-nuker out there who understands the concept of timezones, shoot the nuke down, thanks.
On April 15 2013 14:07 SamuelLJackson wrote:
I'll likely come up with something when I'm home and get a chance to discuss things with sandro, although putting in effort after being nuked out of the blue n1 while I was asleep is difficult
On April 15 2013 15:30 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 07:38 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On April 15 2013 07:37 VIVAX420 wrote:Hmmm I'm not sure about killing syllo. Everyone remember his plan for people to nuke themselves? On April 13 2013 16:51 SamuelLJackson wrote:
How about we have either have everyone nuke themselves? It's seems very likely that at least mafia has a nuke, and possibly both mafia and town. It's 8-3, but, without taking nukes into account, that doesn't impact the number of mislynches we have, and therefore I think it's very unlikely that mafia has no roles given how much everyone being a hydra favors town. With this assumption at worst we get a 1-1 trade and if there's an anti-nuker, we could even decide to save one. Not a bad plan and I wouldn't expect mafia to come up with something like this. No, it was a terrible plan. Terrible. No, you are terrible. It was an incredibly pro-town plan that was only foiled by the fact that you could also nuke over PMs, which I clearly did not know about, because if you work on the assumption that I'm mafia, I would have known that someone would point out the flaw and make the plan would suddenly look pro-mafia.
On April 15 2013 15:33 SamuelLJackson wrote:
So, by nuking me, congratulations for essentially nullifying the advantage we gained by lynching the mafia nuker on day 1.
Let the anti-nuker decide; does he look genuine here?
|
Yeah, I ignored BH almost exclusively save for a few forced interactions in the last game. As a matter of fact I don't think I directly interacted with any of the other scum. I've see both avoidance and attachment as valid scum points.
|
On April 16 2013 00:17 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:15 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Yeah, I ignored BH almost exclusively save for a few forced interactions in the last game. As a matter of fact I don't think I directly interacted with any of the other scum. I've see both avoidance and attachment as valid scum points. Except as scum, I know how to manipulate all of those scum points. Just look at me and Lazer in Noir. We yelled at each other for half the game and he nearly got me killed with a vote. Idk about WoS, I don't think he's ever played scum. But I believe I'd be critical enough of Rayn as scum to avoid such associations. -CC
You see, I find it interesting that you and not WoS says that as you had the 'read' on Rayn and not WoS. I feel no qualms about following up pressure on Yamato's reads or running with them. Yet, WoS doesn't feel comfortable talking about, following up on OR pressuring Rayn. Instead, he looks to soft buddy his partner's scum read.
|
On April 16 2013 00:30 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:26 FiveTouch wrote:On April 16 2013 00:25 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:23 FiveTouch wrote:On April 16 2013 00:21 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:20 FiveTouch wrote:On April 15 2013 12:28 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Because he's not me, and there are a ton of pseudo confirmed towns.
pre lynch i was sure of ISH being town, hapa town, JM town, and FT town. Id give my left.nut to say moc is town now. SNB is null as fuck, may as well kill him now eh. between him and syllo there is at least one scum yes. On April 15 2013 12:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 15 2013 12:49 VIVAX420 wrote:
ya it was me. WoC why is FT conf town?
kush well i think hes town. confirmed in my brain. i actually have zero justification for this gutread other than gut. love, cc On April 16 2013 00:15 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
As for who is scum?
Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on.
-CC Cool story bro ~marv Only said that because I never even read the last 10 pages leading up to the flip. /thread -CC So you were pretty sure I was town before those pages, and now I could be mafia? Why the change in read? ~marv Rayn flipped red. If Rayn was green i'd still be pretty sure you're town. That's not a reason, that's a statement of what occurred. Is it your contention that I saw the majority on FMB, decided I didn't like it, told the thread repeatedly I didn't like it, town lynched another target, and I'm more scummy because of that? Can you explain the mafia thought process behind this please? ~marv FMB could still be scum? Nomination, case in point. VE (red) was up for lynch. I said FUCK THAT GUYS, KILL SNARFS. Snarfs flipped red.
I don't think that's a valid point. There's a strict difference between prevent actively bussing a partner to keep a more valuable asset and gain town cred VS what happened here. I'd need to go back and read, but I don't remember being satisfied with the Prom/phagga lynch as it felt like a coin flip. Marv's sentiments reflected what I was feeling and I became more adamant in QT about finding another lynch. That formation of votes just didn't feel right. The key here is that I don't remember 5T having a specific direction to move the lynch towards.
|
Rereading, I'm less sure of VE/Marv and Lamar/DP. I have a few weird meta things on DP that have been bothering me all game. According to Yamato, Kush is a massive troll and only ever busses as scum. So if he calls someone mafia that flips town, he's probably town.
As odd as it sounds, the fact that Kush didn't like Rayn bothers me. I'll reread again later.
|
Because I read bout 6 of your games during the Game to see if I could make a good case against you then and kept my notes.
<--not yamato
|
Let's move forward. Obviously my comments didn't help do anything but stir a pot that didn't need stirring. How do you guys feel about SNB and WoC? Do you have a specific preference between the two? Is there a more attractive lynch?
|
Wtf is up with these guys.... Play to win. Right now I'd settle for sheer playing.
|
On April 16 2013 05:19 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 05:17 ShotgunBiceps wrote:On April 16 2013 05:15 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote:
I can play but I won't have another head
Meh I can play but I'd still rather by lynched off since I have less connections that should have been built up over day 1 Who the fuck cares if you don't have another head? Why the fuck do you want to get "mislynched"? Makes lylo easier for the rest of the town. As far as I see it thats a win.
Or you could just scumhunt
|
I would like to point out if S&S cafeteria aren't scum, then if we lynch you and you flip town too then we are at MYLO and in worse position.
|
Honestly I feel like either Palmar/DP or Me/Yamato are dying tonight. I'm not quite sure why I think that but I do. I'm going to recommend putting pressure towards Vivax/WoC. I think only one of them is scum but I'm not sure which one honestly. Please take a hard look at Prome/BH/phagga again tomorrow as the more I've read the more I almost get the feeling like we jumped from scum to scum.
|
It's just a gut instinct that I can't ignore right now I don't know why. It's probably bad, but in case I die just take a second look. In short, when thread sentiment changes that drastically it's either something so obvious that scum can't hold a tenable position against it or its in scums favor.
|
Good Luck town.
<-- not yamato
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
