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WaveOfCheesecake
109 Posts
On April 15 2013 23:26 VIVAX420 wrote: I read the above post. woc is scum I guess probably. good post and the association looks pretty fishy. Also this post made me lol. Real commitment to a read.  | ||
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VIVAX420
556 Posts
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On May 25 2012 13:49 Ver wrote: A lot of people felt Gonzaw was innocent all game. While his posts did a good job of painting himself as a try-hard townie, he did have holes and inconsistencies if you looked closely (I bet nobody did). For example, Gonzaw actually did out himself and Chaoser indirectly by treating chaoser differently in his post than anyone else.On four other people he throws around a lot of doubt and suspicion on them. Then suddenly when addressing chaoser he switches to more of a pleading town, as if trying to 'give him a chance.' Why? Gee I wonder...Those contradictions exist! Look for them! If Ver uses it as analysis, seems legit to me. ~marv | ||
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InsertSmurfHere
288 Posts
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WaveOfCheesecake
109 Posts
I'm pretty indifferent to the case against us, mainly because I never had the time to write up any cases day 1 and most of the suspicious stuff in our filter arose from WoS and me disagreeing about Mocsta and Rayn respectively. I really don't care if we get lynched tomorrow, and I think our green flip would bring a ray of light on the situation for town. As for who is scum? Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on. -CC | ||
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WaveOfCheesecake
109 Posts
On April 16 2013 00:15 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Yeah, I ignored BH almost exclusively save for a few forced interactions in the last game. As a matter of fact I don't think I directly interacted with any of the other scum. I've see both avoidance and attachment as valid scum points. Except as scum, I know how to manipulate all of those scum points. Just look at me and Lazer in Noir. We yelled at each other for half the game and he nearly got me killed with a vote. Idk about WoS, I don't think he's ever played scum. But I believe I'd be critical enough of Rayn as scum to avoid such associations. -CC | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On April 15 2013 12:28 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Because he's not me, and there are a ton of pseudo confirmed towns. pre lynch i was sure of ISH being town, hapa town, JM town, and FT town. Id give my left.nut to say moc is town now. SNB is null as fuck, may as well kill him now eh. between him and syllo there is at least one scum yes. On April 15 2013 12:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: well i think hes town. confirmed in my brain. i actually have zero justification for this gutread other than gut. love, cc On April 16 2013 00:15 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: As for who is scum? Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on. -CC Cool story bro ~marv | ||
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WaveOfCheesecake
109 Posts
On April 16 2013 00:20 FiveTouch wrote: Cool story bro ~marv Only said that because I never even read the last 10 pages leading up to the flip. /thread -CC | ||
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VIVAX420
556 Posts
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On April 16 2013 00:21 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Only said that because I never even read the last 10 pages leading up to the flip. /thread -CC So you were pretty sure I was town before those pages, and now I could be mafia? Why the change in read? ~marv | ||
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WaveOfCheesecake
109 Posts
On April 16 2013 00:23 FiveTouch wrote: So you were pretty sure I was town before those pages, and now I could be mafia? Why the change in read? ~marv Rayn flipped red. If Rayn was green i'd still be pretty sure you're town. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On April 16 2013 00:25 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Rayn flipped red. If Rayn was green i'd still be pretty sure you're town. That's not a reason, that's a statement of what occurred. Is it your contention that I saw the majority on FMB, decided I didn't like it, told the thread repeatedly I didn't like it, town lynched another target, and I'm more scummy because of that? Can you explain the mafia thought process behind this please? ~marv | ||
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InsertSmurfHere
288 Posts
On April 16 2013 00:17 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Except as scum, I know how to manipulate all of those scum points. Just look at me and Lazer in Noir. We yelled at each other for half the game and he nearly got me killed with a vote. Idk about WoS, I don't think he's ever played scum. But I believe I'd be critical enough of Rayn as scum to avoid such associations. -CC You see, I find it interesting that you and not WoS says that as you had the 'read' on Rayn and not WoS. I feel no qualms about following up pressure on Yamato's reads or running with them. Yet, WoS doesn't feel comfortable talking about, following up on OR pressuring Rayn. Instead, he looks to soft buddy his partner's scum read. | ||
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FondleMyButtocks
38 Posts
On April 16 2013 00:17 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Except as scum, I know how to manipulate all of those scum points. Just look at me and Lazer in Noir. We yelled at each other for half the game and he nearly got me killed with a vote. Idk about WoS, I don't think he's ever played scum. But I believe I'd be critical enough of Rayn as scum to avoid such associations. -CC Out of the three quotes I posted from your hydra, only one was from you. The others were from WoS, and he stated that you have been absent (although that one might have been a lie). And of course you never make errors, right? Every good town player has had his off game. The fact that you KNOW how to deal with such situations as scum does not mean that you always do it right. | ||
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WaveOfCheesecake
109 Posts
On April 16 2013 00:26 FiveTouch wrote: That's not a reason, that's a statement of what occurred. Is it your contention that I saw the majority on FMB, decided I didn't like it, told the thread repeatedly I didn't like it, town lynched another target, and I'm more scummy because of that? Can you explain the mafia thought process behind this please? ~marv FMB could still be scum? Nomination, case in point. VE (red) was up for lynch. I said FUCK THAT GUYS, KILL SNARFS. Snarfs flipped red. | ||
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WaveOfCheesecake
109 Posts
Basically his only real contribution has been a soft defense on us and a simultaneous attack/vote of MA. Now if you believe us to be scum because of Rayn's association, why not have a look at NSB for this reason as well? Apparently these are the only two people in the game who found my meta read 'not weak.' I don't buy the excuse that it's because Rayn treated only us differently. It makes more sense that the two of them as scum would try to jump on a weak towny case against another towny to try and secure a mislynch to me, but whatever. Moving onto FMB. And FMB, I NEVER lie. As I said, we never seem to know when the other is going to be around (which explains me literally JUST saying I didn't think CC would be around until tomorrow, yet here he is.) -Wave | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On April 16 2013 00:30 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: FMB could still be scum? Nomination, case in point. VE (red) was up for lynch. I said FUCK THAT GUYS, KILL SNARFS. Snarfs flipped red. Fair enough. That means if SLJ flips mafia I should be confirmed town in your mind, because there would only be 1 mafia left and therefore I could not be protecting another mafia. Agreed? ~marv | ||
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WaveOfCheesecake
109 Posts
On April 16 2013 00:27 FondleMyButtocks wrote: Out of the three quotes I posted from your hydra, only one was from you. The others were from WoS, and he stated that you have been absent (although that one might have been a lie). And of course you never make errors, right? Every good town player has had his off game. The fact that you KNOW how to deal with such situations as scum does not mean that you always do it right. WoS has nothing to do with what I would have been doing as scum. Of course, it's all perspective anyway. I fully expect for us to get lynch on the morrow, and I'm pretty content with it. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On April 16 2013 00:31 FiveTouch wrote: Fair enough. That means if SLJ flips mafia I should be confirmed town in your mind, because there would only be 1 mafia left and therefore I could not be protecting another mafia. Agreed? ~marv /agree I'm going to lurk until the Syllo flip. I will make my cases on Tuesday because I only have class that day and no work. | ||
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FondleMyButtocks
38 Posts
On April 16 2013 00:31 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Alright so, looked into NSB's filter; not too difficult I know, but it's a start. Basically his only real contribution has been a soft defense on us and a simultaneous attack/vote of MA. Now if you believe us to be scum because of Rayn's association, why not have a look at NSB for this reason as well? Apparently these are the only two people in the game who found my meta read 'not weak.' I don't buy the excuse that it's because Rayn treated only us differently. It makes more sense that the two of them as scum would try to jump on a weak towny case against another towny to try and secure a mislynch to me, but whatever. Moving onto FMB. And FMB, I NEVER lie. As I said, we never seem to know when the other is going to be around (which explains me literally JUST saying I didn't think CC would be around until tomorrow, yet here he is.) -Wave As I wrote earlier, Rayn does not mention SNB except for this: On April 15 2013 00:59 raynmaster wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2013 23:34 MockArmor wrote: raynpeli No I'm accusing you of trying to contribute in the thread without providing accountability. This is because your entire dialogue with your "scum read" is subject to change pending on discussion with oats. That's bullshit. Full stop. Further, the exchange with *your/raynpeli* scum read, five touch. Does not even read as if you are talking to someone you are suspicious of. Thirdly. Let's pretend you were genuinely suspicious of five touch. Why the need to consult with oats regarding your scum read. You should be engaging and probing fiveotuch as much as you can. Instead you are reaponding to questions he asking of you. In addition to hiding all accountability behind oats. This is scummy shit, and again the whole exchange does not read to me as if you are talking to a scum read. I can't question marv about things VE said, and that was the only thing i wanted to question them about. I don't think you should not answer questions from people you think are scummy, but if you think so there's nothing i can do about it. I just explained marv what i thought at that time when he asked me about it. Had it been VE questioning me i would have acted differently. I don't think FT is scummy anymore. I read Hydra 1 and this game VE posts and VE was quite different in that game from what i can tell. Oats is saying the same thing. I can't be around @ the deadline, i consider NSB / FMB / VIVAX420 the scummiest atm. Vivax only because i can't understand much they are saying. Oats gotta decide who we gonna lynch. Also, NBS never mentions rayn. So yeah, nothing going on there. Of course that COULD be a tell too. Problem is that Rayn treats us, Vivax and ISH the same as NSB, and NSB does not mention a lot of other people too. Nothing interesting there in terms of associations. -pha | ||
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