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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 15 2013 11:23 GMT
#1281
On April 15 2013 20:19 John Matrix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 19:37 FiveTouch wrote:
On April 15 2013 13:57 MockArmor wrote:
On April 15 2013 13:51 John Matrix wrote:
On April 15 2013 06:40 FiveTouch wrote:
I don't feel strongly enough about raynmaster being town to actually protect him. So we'll see how it goes.

~marv

Thats the best quote hahahah.

If Marv is scum; thats such a hillarious truth.

I think its a valid slip anyways.

Town are concerned about mislynching town, but certainly not about "protecting" town..
Scum on the other hand, are trying to protect the "brotherhood".


I talked about 'protecting' Oats all the time in my last towngame. If you think that's a valid slip you need your head examining.

What's with people making cases on my towntells and calling them suspicious?

This is the 2nd game running DP has taken towntells of mine and painted them as suspicious, I don't get it at all.

~marv


And then you said you WOULD NEVER DO IT AGAIN


Right, and I didn't protect him, I voted him. Problem broski?

If you recall there was a majority on FMB and I took active efforts to make people think about the lynch that we were wandering towards. I'm pretty happy with what I did at the end of the day even if I didn't choose the candidate we ended up on.

~marv
Artanis & marv
John Matrix
Profile Joined October 2012
163 Posts
April 15 2013 11:25 GMT
#1282
On April 15 2013 20:23 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 20:19 John Matrix wrote:
On April 15 2013 19:37 FiveTouch wrote:
On April 15 2013 13:57 MockArmor wrote:
On April 15 2013 13:51 John Matrix wrote:
On April 15 2013 06:40 FiveTouch wrote:
I don't feel strongly enough about raynmaster being town to actually protect him. So we'll see how it goes.

~marv

Thats the best quote hahahah.

If Marv is scum; thats such a hillarious truth.

I think its a valid slip anyways.

Town are concerned about mislynching town, but certainly not about "protecting" town..
Scum on the other hand, are trying to protect the "brotherhood".


I talked about 'protecting' Oats all the time in my last towngame. If you think that's a valid slip you need your head examining.

What's with people making cases on my towntells and calling them suspicious?

This is the 2nd game running DP has taken towntells of mine and painted them as suspicious, I don't get it at all.

~marv


And then you said you WOULD NEVER DO IT AGAIN


Right, and I didn't protect him, I voted him. Problem broski?

If you recall there was a majority on FMB and I took active efforts to make people think about the lynch that we were wandering towards. I'm pretty happy with what I did at the end of the day even if I didn't choose the candidate we ended up on.

~marv


You are lying. Why are you lying?
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 15 2013 11:26 GMT
#1283
I'm not lying, you just can't read. Me saying I think he might be town isn't protecting him.

Me protecting him is doing what I did in the last game. "Oats isn't scum". "I'm always right about Oats, he's definitely town".

Stop being dumb, it's irrirtating.

~marv
Artanis & marv
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
April 15 2013 11:31 GMT
#1284
On April 15 2013 20:26 FiveTouch wrote:
I'm not lying, you just can't read. Me saying I think he might be town isn't protecting him.

Me protecting him is doing what I did in the last game. "Oats isn't scum". "I'm always right about Oats, he's definitely town".

Stop being dumb, it's irrirtating.

~marv


You said basically the same thing this game. Stop altering the narrative of what went down to suit you. It's tiresome. And if you really are town then you are doing things (such as defending scum multiple times without much reasoning whatsoever) which are completely reasonable for others to be suspicious of.

Now I know you can do stupid shit as town so I am not calling you scum. I just don't believe you are 'confirmed town' like some of these morons were saying and should be looked at like everyone else.

-DP
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 15 2013 11:33 GMT
#1285
On April 15 2013 20:31 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 20:26 FiveTouch wrote:
I'm not lying, you just can't read. Me saying I think he might be town isn't protecting him.

Me protecting him is doing what I did in the last game. "Oats isn't scum". "I'm always right about Oats, he's definitely town".

Stop being dumb, it's irrirtating.

~marv


You said basically the same thing this game. Stop altering the narrative of what went down to suit you. It's tiresome. And if you really are town then you are doing things (such as defending scum multiple times without much reasoning whatsoever) which are completely reasonable for others to be suspicious of.

Now I know you can do stupid shit as town so I am not calling you scum. I just don't believe you are 'confirmed town' like some of these morons were saying and should be looked at like everyone else.

-DP


I'm pretty clearly town and the fact you can't see that is tiresome. I'm not altering the narrative, you're just being a dumbass. I can't help that.

And to repeat, I took active steps to derail the FMB lynch and provided no particular alternative. If you think that was some super cunning mafia play, you need to punch yourself in the balls.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 15 2013 11:35 GMT
#1286
And by the way, having a soft townread on a mafia before voting him for consolidation is not "doing stupid shit". Get a grip.

~marv
Artanis & marv
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
April 15 2013 11:37 GMT
#1287
On April 15 2013 20:33 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 20:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On April 15 2013 20:26 FiveTouch wrote:
I'm not lying, you just can't read. Me saying I think he might be town isn't protecting him.

Me protecting him is doing what I did in the last game. "Oats isn't scum". "I'm always right about Oats, he's definitely town".

Stop being dumb, it's irrirtating.

~marv


You said basically the same thing this game. Stop altering the narrative of what went down to suit you. It's tiresome. And if you really are town then you are doing things (such as defending scum multiple times without much reasoning whatsoever) which are completely reasonable for others to be suspicious of.

Now I know you can do stupid shit as town so I am not calling you scum. I just don't believe you are 'confirmed town' like some of these morons were saying and should be looked at like everyone else.

-DP


I'm pretty clearly town and the fact you can't see that is tiresome. I'm not altering the narrative, you're just being a dumbass. I can't help that.

And to repeat, I took active steps to derail the FMB lynch and provided no particular alternative. If you think that was some super cunning mafia play, you need to punch yourself in the balls.

~marv

You clearly are altering the narrative by brazenly stating that you did not defend oats when it is clear to the entire thread that you, in fact, did. LMAO.

The crux of the matter is that you aren't confirmed town. I dare you to say that you are. Now that we agree you are not confirmed town we can stop shitting up the thread, and get back to scumhunting.

What do you make of all this stuff with syllogism?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
April 15 2013 11:38 GMT
#1288
On April 15 2013 20:35 FiveTouch wrote:
And by the way, having a soft townread on a mafia before voting him for consolidation is not "doing stupid shit". Get a grip.

~marv


Your vote was entirely superfluous. The only thing it did was put you onto the correct wagon.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
John Matrix
Profile Joined October 2012
163 Posts
April 15 2013 11:40 GMT
#1289
For the filter.

On April 15 2013 20:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 20:33 FiveTouch wrote:
On April 15 2013 20:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On April 15 2013 20:26 FiveTouch wrote:
I'm not lying, you just can't read. Me saying I think he might be town isn't protecting him.

Me protecting him is doing what I did in the last game. "Oats isn't scum". "I'm always right about Oats, he's definitely town".

Stop being dumb, it's irrirtating.

~marv


You said basically the same thing this game. Stop altering the narrative of what went down to suit you. It's tiresome. And if you really are town then you are doing things (such as defending scum multiple times without much reasoning whatsoever) which are completely reasonable for others to be suspicious of.

Now I know you can do stupid shit as town so I am not calling you scum. I just don't believe you are 'confirmed town' like some of these morons were saying and should be looked at like everyone else.

-DP


I'm pretty clearly town and the fact you can't see that is tiresome. I'm not altering the narrative, you're just being a dumbass. I can't help that.

And to repeat, I took active steps to derail the FMB lynch and provided no particular alternative. If you think that was some super cunning mafia play, you need to punch yourself in the balls.

~marv

You clearly are altering the narrative by brazenly stating that you did not defend oats when it is clear to the entire thread that you, in fact, did. LMAO.

The crux of the matter is that you aren't confirmed town. I dare you to say that you are. Now that we agree you are not confirmed town we can stop shitting up the thread, and get back to scumhunting.

What do you make of all this stuff with syllogism?



On April 15 2013 20:38 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 20:35 FiveTouch wrote:
And by the way, having a soft townread on a mafia before voting him for consolidation is not "doing stupid shit". Get a grip.

~marv


Your vote was entirely superfluous. The only thing it did was put you onto the correct wagon.

FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 15 2013 11:58 GMT
#1290
On April 15 2013 20:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 20:33 FiveTouch wrote:
On April 15 2013 20:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On April 15 2013 20:26 FiveTouch wrote:
I'm not lying, you just can't read. Me saying I think he might be town isn't protecting him.

Me protecting him is doing what I did in the last game. "Oats isn't scum". "I'm always right about Oats, he's definitely town".

Stop being dumb, it's irrirtating.

~marv


You said basically the same thing this game. Stop altering the narrative of what went down to suit you. It's tiresome. And if you really are town then you are doing things (such as defending scum multiple times without much reasoning whatsoever) which are completely reasonable for others to be suspicious of.

Now I know you can do stupid shit as town so I am not calling you scum. I just don't believe you are 'confirmed town' like some of these morons were saying and should be looked at like everyone else.

-DP


I'm pretty clearly town and the fact you can't see that is tiresome. I'm not altering the narrative, you're just being a dumbass. I can't help that.

And to repeat, I took active steps to derail the FMB lynch and provided no particular alternative. If you think that was some super cunning mafia play, you need to punch yourself in the balls.

~marv

You clearly are altering the narrative by brazenly stating that you did not defend oats when it is clear to the entire thread that you, in fact, did. LMAO.

The crux of the matter is that you aren't confirmed town. I dare you to say that you are. Now that we agree you are not confirmed town we can stop shitting up the thread, and get back to scumhunting.

What do you make of all this stuff with syllogism?


I defended him a bit because I thought maybe he was town, he wasn't. For the third time, I pretty clearly did not protect him in any way because I took efforts to derail the majority on FMB and let town find a better lynch. If that's protecting, then that's the worst protection I've seen in my life.

Did I ever say I was confirmed town? You said I was null, and it's patently obvious to anyone that we shouldn't be null.

As for syllo, we just have to wait and see what he does today. I guess the anti-nuke can be launched right up to the deadline if he does stuff town's happy with. Anyway, Palmar has said repeatedly in the past that he can read syllo very well, and given you're pretty much guaranteed to be town, I'll be taking my cues from him most of all.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 15 2013 12:03 GMT
#1291
Might as well say so now, I have a chess match this evening so I'm not sure if I'll be back and around for deadline or not.

~marv
Artanis & marv
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 15 2013 12:28 GMT
#1292
if im wrong on syllo marv 100% scum
Computer says mafia
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 15 2013 12:28 GMT
#1293
Sam is looking really scummy to me right now.

I thought that you couldn't undo thread nukes with pm, but his excuse that he just didn't know you could pm nukes is not likely.

Not giving a shit is a huge scumtell for sandroba. He hates playing scum.
in fact I don't think sandroba has been in the thread once.

marv why are you even talking about saving him? not gonna happen nor should it.
kush
Kush and Vivax
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 15 2013 12:42 GMT
#1294
On April 15 2013 21:28 Palmar wrote:
if im wrong on syllo marv 100% scum


Are you on drugs or something?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 15 2013 12:46 GMT
#1295
On April 15 2013 21:28 VIVAX420 wrote:
Sam is looking really scummy to me right now.

I thought that you couldn't undo thread nukes with pm, but his excuse that he just didn't know you could pm nukes is not likely.

Not giving a shit is a huge scumtell for sandroba. He hates playing scum.
in fact I don't think sandroba has been in the thread once.

marv why are you even talking about saving him? not gonna happen nor should it.
kush


DP asked me about syllo, that's all.

~marv

P.S. why don't you want to kill me this game? Is it because I'm with VE? heh.
Artanis & marv
John Matrix
Profile Joined October 2012
163 Posts
April 15 2013 12:58 GMT
#1296
On April 15 2013 21:42 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 21:28 Palmar wrote:
if im wrong on syllo marv 100% scum


Are you on drugs or something?


THE ONLY DRUG I USE IS CALLED JUSTICE AND TRUTH
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 15 2013 13:12 GMT
#1297
On April 15 2013 21:46 FiveTouch wrote:
P.S. why don't you want to kill me this game? Is it because I'm with VE? heh.

town read unfortunately.
The last scum is between FMB and NSB I think.
Kush and Vivax
FondleMyButtocks
Profile Joined April 2013
38 Posts
April 15 2013 14:15 GMT
#1298
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 15 2013 07:54 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 07:51 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
If syllo is scum, the last one comes down to NSB/WoC/Mock

Precisely.

So let's talk about it before mafia shoots one of us.

IGNORING NSB (since I hate talking about unreadables)

Which of Mock/WoC are mafia?

Syllo/Sand saying they didn't want to lynch WoC is highly suspect.


I looked through rayns filter and noticed the following:

Raynmaster attacked JM, SGB, SLJ, MA and 5T repeatedly. On the other side he completely ignored ISH and mostly ignored NSB, us and Vivax420.

There is on Hydra that was different:

On April 14 2013 18:30 raynmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 18:27 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On April 14 2013 18:17 raynmaster wrote:
On April 14 2013 18:10 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On April 14 2013 17:41 raynmaster wrote:
Syllo, what is your read on Mocsta?

His singular fixation on waveofcheese is a bit suspicious and I don't like how he made a brief remark about agreeing with me on FMB, but then diverted all his attention towards WoC.. Other than that he looks better now and I don't think he is a good lynch today. He has been quite active and the tone seems confident.

So read on WoC?
Why does MA look better?

Why don't you tell me yours? I'm not interested in answering your questions. They don't even make sense; it's very difficult to explain why someone looks "better" and it's not relevant at all. I already gave reasons for not considering mockarmor a priority today and that's all you need to know.

You said 'active' and confident. Right. Not exactly the best reasons to call someone town ever. I wanted you to expand on that but since you didnt want to, whatever.

I feel that MA is misinterpreting WoC's push on him and that WoC looks like he wants to find out MA's alignment but MA isnt doing any of that sort himself. He is so closed up and prickly. No jokes and shit.

On April 14 2013 16:32 raynmaster wrote:
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On April 14 2013 16:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Oats at some point during the night I'd like to hear your thoughts regarding MA and/or my case. In your own time though 'cause I won't be around.

Devil's advocate on your suspicion towards Palmar's post; as scum why put in that kind of effort just to make it look like you're contributing with a summary post, when summary posts are known to be inherently useless?

Your case is MA jokes when town and not when scum right? Or is it deeper?

Scum still post summary posts even though its known to be scummy. Like why do scumtells exist if scum dont do them?

This is the only time Rayn is interacting with someone without attacking them. He never attacks WoC or implies he's scum.

On the other side, WoC is very ambigous about Rayn. CC never explains his stance on Rayn. WoS writes this after MA asks for their read on CC:
On April 14 2013 13:18 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Feasible explanation of the Hapa business. CC isn't here and we actually haven't discussed Rayn at all, though I can tell you that RaynMaster is not on CC's list of townreads.

On April 14 2013 13:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
A cursory read through Rayn's filter shows that Oats finds Mocsta scummy; since I have come to the same conclusions I'd be interested in discussing this with him. I personally don't find RM(hydra) scummy in the slightest.
Any other reads from him atm would be nice too.
+ Show Spoiler +

Hell while I'm posting a whole bunch of old reads just to appease the masses, why not my read on DP/Palmar?
Palmar I have very little insight into, but (barring the very beginning of The Game) I'm pretty sure I can tell when DP is town, and so far he hasn't given me very much to work with. I am not a huge fan of the 'confirmed town' status though I admit it makes sense to me and I expressed my feelings as such to CC. I think this game is going to be a very good indication as to whether or not my meta reads have improved at all, despite it being a Hydra game.

John Matrix, finished reading the thread yet? I'm interested to see where FnB, MA, and I fall on your red/green scale.


Add to this how WoC intercepted the discussion between MA and Rayn:
On April 14 2013 01:13 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
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On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote:
My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar...

For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing...

As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.:

But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. As scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense.

##FoS: Shotgun

Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post.

The question should not be addressed to Mocsta.

Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner..

I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment.

Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore.

Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer?
Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else?

/rayn

That answer was clearly written by Mocsta.

As is this response.

What is your point?

Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing?

What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time.
The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional.

Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please.
Yes, we have reads.

To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle.

+ Show Spoiler +

In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.


Can you explain this, MA? You FoS Hapa because he has scum motivation for buddying me etc etc and is kinda scummy whatever. Then you call him town?

Rayn: That's Mocsta for you.

He is pretty much picking up the case of Rayn and leads it on, while being all friendly to Rayn in the last sentence. Also note that this post came at a time when MA started to question rayn over and over. It looks like WoC was trying to shift away pressure from rayn, and change the topic.

All the interactions feel like scum trying to cover each other. CC kept a backdoor open to vote rayn if it was needed, and they promptly bussed rayn when the wagon started rolling.

Adding in the points that MA brought up on WoC, I feel that WoC has a high chance of flipping scum.

-pha
Blazinghand and Phagga
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 15 2013 14:26 GMT
#1299
I read the above post. woc is scum I guess probably.
good post and the association looks pretty fishy.
Kush and Vivax
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 15 2013 14:58 GMT
#1300
On April 15 2013 23:15 FondleMyButtocks wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 15 2013 07:54 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 07:51 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
If syllo is scum, the last one comes down to NSB/WoC/Mock

Precisely.

So let's talk about it before mafia shoots one of us.

IGNORING NSB (since I hate talking about unreadables)

Which of Mock/WoC are mafia?

Syllo/Sand saying they didn't want to lynch WoC is highly suspect.


I looked through rayns filter and noticed the following:

Raynmaster attacked JM, SGB, SLJ, MA and 5T repeatedly. On the other side he completely ignored ISH and mostly ignored NSB, us and Vivax420.

There is on Hydra that was different:

Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 18:30 raynmaster wrote:
On April 14 2013 18:27 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On April 14 2013 18:17 raynmaster wrote:
On April 14 2013 18:10 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On April 14 2013 17:41 raynmaster wrote:
Syllo, what is your read on Mocsta?

His singular fixation on waveofcheese is a bit suspicious and I don't like how he made a brief remark about agreeing with me on FMB, but then diverted all his attention towards WoC.. Other than that he looks better now and I don't think he is a good lynch today. He has been quite active and the tone seems confident.

So read on WoC?
Why does MA look better?

Why don't you tell me yours? I'm not interested in answering your questions. They don't even make sense; it's very difficult to explain why someone looks "better" and it's not relevant at all. I already gave reasons for not considering mockarmor a priority today and that's all you need to know.

You said 'active' and confident. Right. Not exactly the best reasons to call someone town ever. I wanted you to expand on that but since you didnt want to, whatever.

I feel that MA is misinterpreting WoC's push on him and that WoC looks like he wants to find out MA's alignment but MA isnt doing any of that sort himself. He is so closed up and prickly. No jokes and shit.

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On April 14 2013 16:32 raynmaster wrote:
On April 14 2013 16:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Oats at some point during the night I'd like to hear your thoughts regarding MA and/or my case. In your own time though 'cause I won't be around.

Devil's advocate on your suspicion towards Palmar's post; as scum why put in that kind of effort just to make it look like you're contributing with a summary post, when summary posts are known to be inherently useless?

Your case is MA jokes when town and not when scum right? Or is it deeper?

Scum still post summary posts even though its known to be scummy. Like why do scumtells exist if scum dont do them?

This is the only time Rayn is interacting with someone without attacking them. He never attacks WoC or implies he's scum.

On the other side, WoC is very ambigous about Rayn. CC never explains his stance on Rayn. WoS writes this after MA asks for their read on CC:
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On April 14 2013 13:18 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Feasible explanation of the Hapa business. CC isn't here and we actually haven't discussed Rayn at all, though I can tell you that RaynMaster is not on CC's list of townreads.

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On April 14 2013 13:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
A cursory read through Rayn's filter shows that Oats finds Mocsta scummy; since I have come to the same conclusions I'd be interested in discussing this with him. I personally don't find RM(hydra) scummy in the slightest.
Any other reads from him atm would be nice too.
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Hell while I'm posting a whole bunch of old reads just to appease the masses, why not my read on DP/Palmar?
Palmar I have very little insight into, but (barring the very beginning of The Game) I'm pretty sure I can tell when DP is town, and so far he hasn't given me very much to work with. I am not a huge fan of the 'confirmed town' status though I admit it makes sense to me and I expressed my feelings as such to CC. I think this game is going to be a very good indication as to whether or not my meta reads have improved at all, despite it being a Hydra game.

John Matrix, finished reading the thread yet? I'm interested to see where FnB, MA, and I fall on your red/green scale.


Add to this how WoC intercepted the discussion between MA and Rayn:
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On April 14 2013 01:13 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote:
My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar...

For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing...

As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.:

But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. As scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense.

##FoS: Shotgun

On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:
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On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:
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On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post.

The question should not be addressed to Mocsta.

Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner..

I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment.

Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore.

Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer?
Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else?

/rayn

That answer was clearly written by Mocsta.

As is this response.

What is your point?

Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing?

What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time.
The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional.

Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please.
Yes, we have reads.

To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle.

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In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.


Can you explain this, MA? You FoS Hapa because he has scum motivation for buddying me etc etc and is kinda scummy whatever. Then you call him town?

Rayn: That's Mocsta for you.

He is pretty much picking up the case of Rayn and leads it on, while being all friendly to Rayn in the last sentence. Also note that this post came at a time when MA started to question rayn over and over. It looks like WoC was trying to shift away pressure from rayn, and change the topic.

All the interactions feel like scum trying to cover each other. CC kept a backdoor open to vote rayn if it was needed, and they promptly bussed rayn when the wagon started rolling.

Adding in the points that MA brought up on WoC, I feel that WoC has a high chance of flipping scum.

-pha

Nothing but WIFOM, my dear friend. It's very possible Rayn was just going with my case (that mostly everyone else has called terrible; I'm more than willing to still accept that my meta reads are bad but it shouldn't preclude me from trying to improve myself) because he thought he could help it along to a MA mislynch. If anything to me that's more evidence for MA being town than for me being scum, but whatever. As far as me acting friendly to him, I've explained numerous times that I thought Rayn was town; I was wrong. Once again, very simple.


Now I'm actually going to be around a little bit right now so can we discuss who we might find the 3rd scum to be? Syllo does seem extremely guilty right now as despite everyone throwing at him that the best thing he could do if he were town is to help us out, he still hasn't done so. I'm pretty comfortable with that nuke landing later. CC and I still haven't talked a great deal (this might change tomorrow? He says he has Tuesday off) but from the QT his reads show that he's not sure of FMB, and NSB. I'll look into these two myself right now. Also if there's anything specific people would like to grill out of me now might be the time.
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