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ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 13 2013 02:16 GMT
#401
On April 13 2013 11:13 FiveTouch wrote:
Repeatedly referring to one's self as "confirmed town" without saying how or why, using it to strengthen his position, is not eyebrow-raising to you Hapa?


It's Palmar. His early Day 1 mentality is to do random provocative stuff like that.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 13 2013 02:16 GMT
#402
You give me the same impression of yamato neglecting his defense of VE, scared of admitting mistakes.

You give long explanations as to why you did what you did, I don't know if you're defensive by nature, but to me, some simple "Yeah I was tunneled, yeah it was a bad point" would look townier than what you did: trying so hard to justify something that might happen to a townie.
Kush and Vivax
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 13 2013 02:18 GMT
#403
And yamato's "mistake" I mean would have been: Defending VE at that early point back then when he couldn't be sure of his alignment yet.
Kush and Vivax
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 02:18 GMT
#404
Like I just don't get it. Why are you so willing to invent a narrative that explains MY actions from a scum perspective, but you're unwilling to make a read on anyone else.
Artanis & marv
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 13 2013 02:19 GMT
#405
On April 13 2013 11:16 VIVAX420 wrote:
You give me the same impression of yamato neglecting his defense of VE, scared of admitting mistakes.

You give long explanations as to why you did what you did, I don't know if you're defensive by nature, but to me, some simple "Yeah I was tunneled, yeah it was a bad point" would look townier than what you did: trying so hard to justify something that might happen to a townie.


Who me?

I think I've been pretty clear that I made a mistake
*shrug*

As far as "trying so hard to justify myself" - that's in the nature of defending one's self. VE's asking, and therefore I try and justify it. I wouldn't bother with any of this if people weren't suspicious of me for it.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 13 2013 02:22 GMT
#406
On April 13 2013 11:18 FiveTouch wrote:
Like I just don't get it. 1)Why are you so willing to invent a narrative that explains MY actions from a scum perspective


but you're unwilling to make a read on anyone else.


Huhwhat? What do you mean unwilling? I've been pretty darn open with my reads thusfar.

Hell we're on hour 2 of this game, I can't exactly go and make a read on everrrrrryone. I'd like to think I've done quite a bit in the "read-sharing" thing, even if my read on you wasn't as justified as it should have been.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 13 2013 02:22 GMT
#407
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 11:19 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 11:16 VIVAX420 wrote:
You give me the same impression of yamato neglecting his defense of VE, scared of admitting mistakes.

You give long explanations as to why you did what you did, I don't know if you're defensive by nature, but to me, some simple "Yeah I was tunneled, yeah it was a bad point" would look townier than what you did: trying so hard to justify something that might happen to a townie.


Who me?

I think I've been pretty clear that I made a mistake
*shrug*

As far as "trying so hard to justify myself" - that's in the nature of defending one's self. VE's asking, and therefore I try and justify it. I wouldn't bother with any of this if people weren't suspicious of me for it.


Your first interest, if you're town, should be finding scummy stuff, not trying hard to keep a good image.
I don't want you to not defend yourself, but all I've seen from you so far is that VE stuff, your defense, and some quick-to-damn shit-shoveling at my posts, and yet you don't appear interested in finding out my motives.
Kush and Vivax
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 13 2013 02:24 GMT
#408
On April 13 2013 11:22 VIVAX420 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 11:19 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 11:16 VIVAX420 wrote:
You give me the same impression of yamato neglecting his defense of VE, scared of admitting mistakes.

You give long explanations as to why you did what you did, I don't know if you're defensive by nature, but to me, some simple "Yeah I was tunneled, yeah it was a bad point" would look townier than what you did: trying so hard to justify something that might happen to a townie.


Who me?

I think I've been pretty clear that I made a mistake
*shrug*

As far as "trying so hard to justify myself" - that's in the nature of defending one's self. VE's asking, and therefore I try and justify it. I wouldn't bother with any of this if people weren't suspicious of me for it.


Your first interest, if you're town, should be finding scummy stuff, not trying hard to keep a good image.
I don't want you to not defend yourself, but all I've seen from you so far is that VE stuff, your defense, and some quick-to-damn shit-shoveling at my posts, and yet you don't appear interested in finding out my motives.


Well ever since your "middle-finger" post, I've lost interest in you.

And let's be real - I've done more than any person in this game, so don't give me the whole "all I've seen from you" thing.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
April 13 2013 02:26 GMT
#409
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 11:24 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 11:22 VIVAX420 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 11:19 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 11:16 VIVAX420 wrote:
You give me the same impression of yamato neglecting his defense of VE, scared of admitting mistakes.

You give long explanations as to why you did what you did, I don't know if you're defensive by nature, but to me, some simple "Yeah I was tunneled, yeah it was a bad point" would look townier than what you did: trying so hard to justify something that might happen to a townie.


Who me?

I think I've been pretty clear that I made a mistake
*shrug*

As far as "trying so hard to justify myself" - that's in the nature of defending one's self. VE's asking, and therefore I try and justify it. I wouldn't bother with any of this if people weren't suspicious of me for it.


Your first interest, if you're town, should be finding scummy stuff, not trying hard to keep a good image.
I don't want you to not defend yourself, but all I've seen from you so far is that VE stuff, your defense, and some quick-to-damn shit-shoveling at my posts, and yet you don't appear interested in finding out my motives.


Well ever since your "middle-finger" post, I've lost interest in you.

And let's be real - I've done more than any person in this game, so don't give me the whole "all I've seen from you" thing.


You deserved that middle finger. First you called my posts summarizing, then I argued why they weren't, then you ignored it and put something else on top. I know when I'm arguing against people who don't want to listen, for whatever reason.
Kush and Vivax
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 02:27 GMT
#410
Oh GOD contribution bloating too? Tunnel VE = doing more than everyone else. That's more dismissive of what's been happening in the thread than ANYTHING I've said in this game to date.

Ugh, maybe you're right Hapa, time may be what's needed here. Like everything you're saying looks worse and worse to me, and that signals bias to me.

I'll be back tomorrow with (hopefully) a new perspective.
Artanis & marv
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 13 2013 02:27 GMT
#411
On April 13 2013 11:26 VIVAX420 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 11:24 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 11:22 VIVAX420 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 11:19 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 11:16 VIVAX420 wrote:
You give me the same impression of yamato neglecting his defense of VE, scared of admitting mistakes.

You give long explanations as to why you did what you did, I don't know if you're defensive by nature, but to me, some simple "Yeah I was tunneled, yeah it was a bad point" would look townier than what you did: trying so hard to justify something that might happen to a townie.


Who me?

I think I've been pretty clear that I made a mistake
*shrug*

As far as "trying so hard to justify myself" - that's in the nature of defending one's self. VE's asking, and therefore I try and justify it. I wouldn't bother with any of this if people weren't suspicious of me for it.


Your first interest, if you're town, should be finding scummy stuff, not trying hard to keep a good image.
I don't want you to not defend yourself, but all I've seen from you so far is that VE stuff, your defense, and some quick-to-damn shit-shoveling at my posts, and yet you don't appear interested in finding out my motives.


Well ever since your "middle-finger" post, I've lost interest in you.

And let's be real - I've done more than any person in this game, so don't give me the whole "all I've seen from you" thing.


You deserved that middle finger. First you called my posts summarizing, then I argued why they weren't, then you ignored it and put something else on top. I know when I'm arguing against people who don't want to listen, for whatever reason.


Oh I missed a part of that explanation.

Point is I thought the middle-finger thing was genuine and townie hence I'm not interested in you right now.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 13 2013 02:29 GMT
#412
On April 13 2013 11:27 FiveTouch wrote:
Oh GOD contribution bloating too? Tunnel VE = doing more than everyone else. That's more dismissive of what's been happening in the thread than ANYTHING I've said in this game to date.


Say what you want about the content, but I think it's pretty clear that I care about finding scum. I mean I have 60 posts (including the Hapa-filter) in 2 hours.

Ugh, maybe you're right Hapa, time may be what's needed here. Like everything you're saying looks worse and worse to me, and that signals bias to me.

I'll be back tomorrow with (hopefully) a new perspective.


Alrighty well gnite.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 13 2013 02:32 GMT
#413
Yamato you around?
Hapahauli/jampidampi
InsertSmurfHere
Profile Joined March 2013
288 Posts
April 13 2013 02:35 GMT
#414
On April 13 2013 11:32 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Yamato you around?

I'm here.

'Sup?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 13 2013 02:35 GMT
#415
G-unit is.
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 13 2013 02:45 GMT
#416
Booo. You're not the one tunneling me. Oh well.

I'm just going to get to Yamato's case and post some thoughts before I retire for tonight
Hapahauli/jampidampi
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 02:48 GMT
#417
On April 13 2013 11:04 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 10:55 FiveTouch wrote:
But I'm questioning you here, not the other way around. We'll change topics when I'm satisfied (being the point in the first place right?)

Now, Cheesecake's post is very obviously critical in tone and verbiage (blah blah policy blah, full retard, common sense, savvy?). That much is true. What I'm failing to understand is how you came to the conclusion that I must be pushing an agenda of stifling discussion by me calling the discussion "boring". Boring doesn't mean "useless" or "stupid" or "common sense" or anything dismissive at all. It means that reading it was making me bored. Why no hate at Palmar for fucking off to watch Watchmen? Why no hate for WoC for this?

On April 13 2013 08:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Also I'd just like to direct people's attention to a theme I'm seeing here:
FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps
FiveTouch
InsertSmurfHere

I knew there was a reason I got aroused when I started reading the thread.


I mean, he's in your accusation of me and everything, and here he is, drawing eyes off your case on me with this drivel. No hate for the Cheese?


Why no hate for CC? Because that post was made me giggle uncontrollably. His play so far also has a very different tone from his scum-games. His light-heartedness seems to indicate town.

As for Palmar, that's kinda what he does. I didn't go after him for it for three reasons:
1) It's non-alignment indicative of Palmar
2) Palmar's alignment is usually fairly obvious on Day 1 based on his interest level.
3) I got caught up in 4 conversations at the time.

Also keep in mind that the posts of CC and Palmar are not negative or detracting of discussion. They're just troll-posts. You're making the case that yours was as well, but we've gone over that already.

Show nested quote +
Only hate for VE. It stinks of pushing an agenda. This is my problem.


What's bad about going after one player? Tunneling is the nature of the business.

I'd like to think I've made why I went after your post as opposed to others pretty clear just now.


I'd just like to state for the record, that all of the posts up until now have been Wave. lol. Reading up.

- CC
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 13 2013 02:52 GMT
#418
Im being serious.. Forgotten p/w; and tried a reset but cos from diff IP its playing up.

So yeah, dont know when I can make a post; because I havnt seen role PM.
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 13 2013 02:53 GMT
#419
Just ask host to send you a role PM
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 13 2013 03:03 GMT
#420
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683&currentpage=15#299

Regarding Yamato's Case

Bascically three points:
1) I buddied him
2) I'm "trying too hard" to buddy him
3) BS case on VE

In order...


1) Buddying is a mischaracterization of my goals. I just tried to strike up a conversation with the first person I saw in the thread, which happened to be the geript-half of the hydra.

Secondly, the logic of "buddying the hydra" doesn't really hold, since you are both separate entities. Me getting on good terms with geript does nothing to influence your opinion or view of me. And with all respect to geript, there are plenty of better players to buddy in this game if I were scum :3

2) As far as me "trying really hard" - it's silly early Day 1 talk. Though the read on gerpit at the time was genuine, since he seemed to be taking certain posts more seriously than they were intended, and seemed very earnest in doing so. Case in point:
On April 13 2013 08:03 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 08:00 VIVAX420 wrote:
Marv is town, VE not so sure.

That was a quick pronouncement... Why you think that? Why you reading them differently when they're one head?


3) The whole "case on VE" thing has been beaten to death. The basic point is that I thought VE was scummy at the time. As far as "hapa can't be this bad", I kinda do this all the time as town. If you don't believe me, DP and Prome can attest to my early Day 1 tunnels.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
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