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On April 13 2013 10:28 FiveTouch wrote:
I didn't go anywhere - your response didn't satisfy me and I'm trying to read other people instead of you because I'm afraid I'm biased now. SnB/Draz did nothing but +1 your initial suspicion of me and then fuck off. Interested in what they have to say about stuff now.
Ok what's not satisfying? Now is as good of a time as any to take care of that.
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On April 13 2013 10:21 VIVAX420 wrote:
You seem to like a lot of people, any shot at who you find scummy JM?
Not yet.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Well for starters, you never adequately explained how me coming in and joking about watching grass grow is more likely to come from a scumVE than a townVE. In fact, I can't understand your motivation at all. First of all, I've been in here openly discussing everything with everyone, INCLUDING you. You ignored the majority of my filter in support of your weak accusation, and still assert that it's scummy to you, you just can't be fucked into explaining why. So how does me joking about exciting grass mean that I'm attempting to stifle discussion? ALL evidence points to the opposite, except for the one joke post you quoted. I'm in the same boat as Yam at this point - I know you're better than this. My initial thought was "Oh, he's got to be fishing for reactions" or something but you're not - you want the thread to believe that you genuinely find me suspicious for this...and that's suspicious to me.
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On April 13 2013 10:35 FiveTouch wrote:
Well for starters, you never adequately explained how me coming in and joking about watching grass grow is more likely to come from a scumVE than a townVE. In fact, I can't understand your motivation at all. First of all, I've been in here openly discussing everything with everyone, INCLUDING you. You ignored the majority of my filter in support of your weak accusation, and still assert that it's scummy to you, you just can't be fucked into explaining why. So how does me joking about exciting grass mean that I'm attempting to stifle discussion? ALL evidence points to the opposite, except for the one joke post you quoted. I'm in the same boat as Yam at this point - I know you're better than this. My initial thought was "Oh, he's got to be fishing for reactions" or something but you're not - you want the thread to believe that you genuinely find me suspicious for this...and that's suspicious to me.
Well the interpretation was that you were trying to shut down discussion by calling it boring. Noir Mini (and Mr.CC's filter) being fresh in my mind, it reminded me of his early-game... sample:
On April 02 2013 07:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Blah blah blah policy blah blah Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 07:36 Lazermonkey wrote:On April 02 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, but policy-lynching them? That seems a little over-the-top in a 9 player game. Policy-lynching anyone in a 9 player game just seems like a bad idea. It's certainly something to factor in, but not killing someone over. In my experience, townies are more likely to lolhammer than scum are. Scum are generally much more careful in how they vote and if they hammer someone are much more likely to explain why thoroughly.
I don't support your policy. My problem is this: if we don't establish a HARD policy then we might end up in a really hairy situation where someone hammers a guy in a completely retarded way, and everyone will start defending him using the argument "but scum wouldn't be THAT dumb and suspicious". If everyone simply agrees with the policy then we will avoid stuff like that. Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town. Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now.
THe post is really dismissal/critical of early-game discussion (policy-talk). And of course it's not just limited to CC - scum tend to do this since they are generally anti-discussion.
Your post is fairly similar:
On April 13 2013 08:27 FiveTouch wrote:
Well this is exciting and everything, but I've gotta go watch grass grow. Sorry, if it was anything less thrilling you know I'd be in here instead, but DAT FUCKING GRASS MAN.
Again, very dismissive/critical of early-game discussion. You claim it's trolling/non-serious, which is an alternative explanation, but admittedly one I'm not completely satisfied with.
Anyway I'm at a point where I can't well-articulate my suspicions against you, so questioning you further is fruitless for the time being. I'll likely revisit you/marv in 24-hours or so with a fresh mind. In the mean-time, let us post and converse.
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Hapa I think you're seeing things.
Voluntarily or not, that's still to determine. All I see is VE saying that he's about to go away for a jokish reason, but then being there anyway.
How does that post imply that he wants to stop discussion? Is he asking you to stop talking with others?
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One more thing:
In fact, I can't understand your motivation at all. First of all, I've been in here openly discussing everything with everyone, INCLUDING you.
As for motivation, it was half-forced half-real. I do like jumping on things very early on, because I feel that it's the best way to get discussion going. At the same time though, I'm not going to jump on something I dont' believe in myself, and something about that quote still is really off to me (but enough about that). It's something I've done in the past to some success (against DP several times).
Was it a wise choice this game? Dunno. It certainly heated up the thread, but Yamato going after me mid-way through my push threw me off and made me lose a lot of focus midway through the push (hence me not reading things carefully and going slightly retarded toward the end).
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On April 13 2013 10:47 VIVAX420 wrote:
Hapa I think you're seeing things.
Voluntarily or not, that's still to determine. All I see is VE saying that he's about to go away for a jokish reason, but then being there anyway.
How does that post imply that he wants to stop discussion? Is he asking you to stop talking with others?
The bottom line is that I'm not pursuing this thing any further (atleast not that quote anyway). I can't articulate it well, and therefore I probably should be looking to other things. I posted it more as an explanation to VE.
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I don't like GK's absence after our pre-game exchange. He was a very active starter as town in The Game.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
But I'm questioning you here, not the other way around. We'll change topics when I'm satisfied (being the point in the first place right?)
Now, Cheesecake's post is very obviously critical in tone and verbiage (blah blah policy blah, full retard, common sense, savvy?). That much is true. What I'm failing to understand is how you came to the conclusion that I must be pushing an agenda of stifling discussion by me calling the discussion "boring". Boring doesn't mean "useless" or "stupid" or "common sense" or anything dismissive at all. It means that reading it was making me bored. Why no hate at Palmar for fucking off to watch Watchmen? Why no hate for WoC for this?
On April 13 2013 08:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Also I'd just like to direct people's attention to a theme I'm seeing here:
FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps
FiveTouch
InsertSmurfHere
I knew there was a reason I got aroused when I started reading the thread.
I mean, he's in your accusation of me and everything, and here he is, drawing eyes off your case on me with this drivel. No hate for the Cheese? Only hate for VE. It stinks of pushing an agenda. This is my problem.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
And for the record, this whole situation could have likely been avoided had you invited me into your voting bloc in the first place. Just sayin. 
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I'll try to summarize (yes summarize) the situation:
Hapa picks VE to push.
Yamato picks Hapa to push.
Hapa used bad argument against VE.
Yamato uses that argument back against Hapa, but it wasn't the original reason for suspecting him (+ other stuff said about yam).
Hapa either defended his bad argument cause he's scared of giving in to yamato and looking scummy, or he believed truly into his argument and only realized it was bad when both him and yamato started to get out of their tunnels.
Either way, I think yamato's push might or might not have been genuine, but same goes for Hapa. What I dislike about Hapa is that he went over to attacking my play for reasons I dislike, but I might be biased here.
We should wait for everyone to post before falling into tunneling, we don't even know if scum posted yet.
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On April 13 2013 10:55 FiveTouch wrote:But I'm questioning you here, not the other way around. We'll change topics when I'm satisfied (being the point in the first place right?) Now, Cheesecake's post is very obviously critical in tone and verbiage (blah blah policy blah, full retard, common sense, savvy?). That much is true. What I'm failing to understand is how you came to the conclusion that I must be pushing an agenda of stifling discussion by me calling the discussion "boring". Boring doesn't mean "useless" or "stupid" or "common sense" or anything dismissive at all. It means that reading it was making me bored. Why no hate at Palmar for fucking off to watch Watchmen? Why no hate for WoC for this? Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 08:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Also I'd just like to direct people's attention to a theme I'm seeing here:
FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps
FiveTouch
InsertSmurfHere
I knew there was a reason I got aroused when I started reading the thread. I mean, he's in your accusation of me and everything, and here he is, drawing eyes off your case on me with this drivel. No hate for the Cheese?
Why no hate for CC? Because that post was made me giggle uncontrollably. His play so far also has a very different tone from his scum-games. His light-heartedness seems to indicate town.
As for Palmar, that's kinda what he does. I didn't go after him for it for three reasons:
1) It's non-alignment indicative of Palmar
2) Palmar's alignment is usually fairly obvious on Day 1 based on his interest level.
3) I got caught up in 4 conversations at the time.
Also keep in mind that the posts of CC and Palmar are not negative or detracting of discussion. They're just troll-posts. You're making the case that yours was as well, but we've gone over that already.
Only hate for VE. It stinks of pushing an agenda. This is my problem.
What's bad about going after one player? Tunneling is the nature of the business.
I'd like to think I've made why I went after your post as opposed to others pretty clear just now.
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On April 13 2013 10:57 FiveTouch wrote:And for the record, this whole situation could have likely been avoided had you invited me into your voting bloc in the first place. Just sayin.
Yeah I did kinda steal your idea from the podcast =/
Though I wasn't planning to do anything with it. Just early-game banter.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 11:04 ShotgunBiceps wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 10:55 FiveTouch wrote:But I'm questioning you here, not the other way around. We'll change topics when I'm satisfied (being the point in the first place right?) Now, Cheesecake's post is very obviously critical in tone and verbiage (blah blah policy blah, full retard, common sense, savvy?). That much is true. What I'm failing to understand is how you came to the conclusion that I must be pushing an agenda of stifling discussion by me calling the discussion "boring". Boring doesn't mean "useless" or "stupid" or "common sense" or anything dismissive at all. It means that reading it was making me bored. Why no hate at Palmar for fucking off to watch Watchmen? Why no hate for WoC for this? On April 13 2013 08:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Also I'd just like to direct people's attention to a theme I'm seeing here:
FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps
FiveTouch
InsertSmurfHere
I knew there was a reason I got aroused when I started reading the thread. I mean, he's in your accusation of me and everything, and here he is, drawing eyes off your case on me with this drivel. No hate for the Cheese? Why no hate for CC? Because that post was made me giggle uncontrollably. His play so far also has a very different tone from his scum-games. His light-heartedness seems to indicate town. As for Palmar, that's kinda what he does. I didn't go after him for it for three reasons: 1) It's non-alignment indicative of Palmar 2) Palmar's alignment is usually fairly obvious on Day 1 based on his interest level. 3) I got caught up in 4 conversations at the time. Also keep in mind that the posts of CC and Palmar are not negative or detracting of discussion. They're just troll-posts. You're making the case that yours was as well, but we've gone over that already. What's bad about going after one player? Tunneling is the nature of the business. I'd like to think I've made why I went after your post as opposed to others pretty clear just now.
VE going watch the grass grow isn't detracting of discussion or not-trolly either. Is watching the grass grow a legit hobby where you come from?
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Ok Hapa, but how do you feel about DP? Even if you discount the ability to read Palmer at this point can't you attempt to read based on DP?
<- not yamato
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On April 13 2013 10:55 FiveTouch wrote:But I'm questioning you here, not the other way around. We'll change topics when I'm satisfied (being the point in the first place right?) Now, Cheesecake's post is very obviously critical in tone and verbiage (blah blah policy blah, full retard, common sense, savvy?). That much is true. What I'm failing to understand is how you came to the conclusion that I must be pushing an agenda of stifling discussion by me calling the discussion "boring". Boring doesn't mean "useless" or "stupid" or "common sense" or anything dismissive at all. It means that reading it was making me bored. Why no hate at Palmar for fucking off to watch Watchmen? Why no hate for WoC for this? Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 08:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Also I'd just like to direct people's attention to a theme I'm seeing here:
FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps
FiveTouch
InsertSmurfHere
I knew there was a reason I got aroused when I started reading the thread. I mean, he's in your accusation of me and everything, and here he is, drawing eyes off your case on me with this drivel. No hate for the Cheese? Only hate for VE. It stinks of pushing an agenda. This is my problem.
Am I missing something here?
WTF are you talking about?
What post?
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
From Noir at the beginning of the game...it's like right above that post. /facepalm
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On April 13 2013 11:06 VIVAX420 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 11:04 ShotgunBiceps wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 10:55 FiveTouch wrote:But I'm questioning you here, not the other way around. We'll change topics when I'm satisfied (being the point in the first place right?) Now, Cheesecake's post is very obviously critical in tone and verbiage (blah blah policy blah, full retard, common sense, savvy?). That much is true. What I'm failing to understand is how you came to the conclusion that I must be pushing an agenda of stifling discussion by me calling the discussion "boring". Boring doesn't mean "useless" or "stupid" or "common sense" or anything dismissive at all. It means that reading it was making me bored. Why no hate at Palmar for fucking off to watch Watchmen? Why no hate for WoC for this? On April 13 2013 08:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Also I'd just like to direct people's attention to a theme I'm seeing here:
FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps
FiveTouch
InsertSmurfHere
I knew there was a reason I got aroused when I started reading the thread. I mean, he's in your accusation of me and everything, and here he is, drawing eyes off your case on me with this drivel. No hate for the Cheese? Why no hate for CC? Because that post isn't "critical" at all, and it made me giggle uncontrollably. His play so far also has a very different tone from his scum-games. His light-heartedness seems to indicate town. As for Palmar, that's kinda what he does. I didn't go after him for it for three reasons: 1) It's non-alignment indicative of Palmar 2) Palmar's alignment is usually fairly obvious on Day 1 based on his interest level. 3) I got caught up in 4 conversations at the time. Also keep in mind that the posts of CC and Palmar are not negative or detracting of discussion. They're just troll-posts. You're making the case that yours was as well, but we've gone over that already. What's bad about going after one player? Tunneling is the nature of the business. I'd like to think I've made why I went after your post as opposed to others pretty clear just now. VE going watch the grass grow isn't detracting of discussion or not-trolly either. Is watching the grass grow a legit hobby where you come from?
I don't know why you're beleaguering the point since I dropped this already.
That being said, I had read into his tone (at the time) as more vitriolic rather than troll-y.
On April 13 2013 11:07 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Ok Hapa, but how do you feel about DP? Even if you discount the ability to read Palmer at this point can't you attempt to read based on DP?
<- not yamato
Well there's nothing alignment-indicative in DP's filter either. I probably should have tunneled him, though he's on to my strategies o.O
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Repeatedly referring to one's self as "confirmed town" without saying how or why, using it to strengthen his position, is not eyebrow-raising to you Hapa?
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