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On April 10 2013 01:08 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 01:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2013 01:05 Tunkeg wrote:
That hammer was so fucking bad iamp, you are probably the worst fucking player to ever have played a game of mafia... Yeah yeah GET OFF HIM. You saw my post. Ignore him. Answer me. Here is an expert read for you - OATS IS SCUM! Satisfied? Now bugger off...
what? Where does this come from?
You never mentioned me since this post.
On April 06 2013 19:25 Tunkeg wrote:
I think rayn is looking worse for each post he does. He is back to one liners all the way, and he is being disruptive as fuck. He is jumping around from target to target without any direction, and any reason. I can't see what he is trying to achieve from a townperspective, as a scum his play makes sense though. He is trying to appear active and he is disrupting the thread instead of contributing. I am leaning scum on him, and wouldn't mind lynching him today.
Another one I find disruptive as fuck is Oats. But I can't read him for shit, his posts are so strange that the only thing I have managed to read from him is that he want Sci lynched, and that he is superaggressive. The problem though is that I see no direction on his aggression, he is just lashing out at everyone. I am starting leaning scum on him as well, but not as much as rayn.
Then you got WaveofShadow. His entire filter is just completely nonsense. His vote on Ace, and the way he backed out of that vote later just seems so strange. The way his post are formated, they are long as fuck, but say so very little. To me it seems very much like he is posting just to appear active. He is the player I find most scummy thus far, and if I were to lynch someone right now, it would be him.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
Which is the first and last time you mention other targets rather than WoS.
Also im not even your top scumread here.
I find it hard to believe that you have no townreads yet ONLY exclusively talk about WoS after this post and before night 2
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On April 09 2013 00:30 Tunkeg wrote:
But yeah, lynch me or vig me or whatever, my read on WoS was clearly shit (or he is playing me like a fool with that hammer).
When you said this tunkeg you lost all credibility
we should have just lynched you immediately after saying this.
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On April 10 2013 01:12 sciberbia wrote:
tunkeg its not so much that it makes you look worse but clearly ace was not scum and everyone who DID vote axle now looks even better, no? See my recent filter. You still owe me an explanation on something.
also you guys need to calm down. For one thing you're being unproductive and for another you're all gonna get yourselves modkilled. We just had ONE mislynch and as far as mislynches go it wasn't even that bad. Chill out a little~
modkilled
in ego mafia
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On April 10 2013 01:12 sciberbia wrote:
tunkeg its not so much that it makes you look worse but clearly ace was not scum and everyone who DID vote axle now looks even better, no? See my recent filter. You still owe me an explanation on something.
also you guys need to calm down. For one thing you're being unproductive and for another you're all gonna get yourselves modkilled. We just had ONE mislynch and as far as mislynches go it wasn't even that bad. Chill out a little~
Everyone who voted Axle doesn't look better now. Yeah he was the countwerwagon, but the lynch weren't going nowhere in a hurry on him. For instance Palmars switch is just wierd, and like really safe, in the middle of nowhere. And it gives him an insurance if Axle gets killed, he can be in the towncred gang. He is crafty enough to put his vote on Axle there as scum.
What do I owe you an explanation of?
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On April 10 2013 01:14 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 00:30 Tunkeg wrote:
But yeah, lynch me or vig me or whatever, my read on WoS was clearly shit (or he is playing me like a fool with that hammer). When you said this tunkeg you lost all credibility we should have just lynched you immediately after saying this.
Yeah, you probably would mr Wild Bill Hickok...
When I say stuff like that I am pissed off at myself. Don't you ever get down on yourself, or are you one of those who never do mistakes, and never ever are selfcritical?
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This is how Palmar starts the game:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 08:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 08:55 sciberbia wrote:
Hi everyone! I can't wait to get started. This player list is awesome. I say we lynch you on day one. How would you like that? ##Vote sciberbia
Not likely uncharacteristic to him, but then, the follow up is this:
- He is more concerned about marv's read on him than pushing his lynch.
- The only thing he is trying to figure out anything about anyone is when he asks Oats/iamp about sci. No follow up.
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Then he comes in with this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 00:20 Palmar wrote:honestly: marv: strange things, but seems to be at least trying. I don't think I'll push for his day 1 lynch, but it's annoying that he doesn't just start saying shit that matters and maybe be more useful. I've noted to self/thread twice that he has said things I would not entirely expect of him, but neither makes him definite scum. see here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=6#119and here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=13#257Ace: complete and utter null, he's a good lynch but doesn't need to be discussed until we're closing in on the lynch. If we default to a lurker from where we are now it's a toss-up between him and Tunkeg, and I think I'd rather kill Ace. Nothing in Ace's filter says anything about his alignment (good or bad). iamperfection: I really don't know, he seemed genuinely mad that I'm poking him, but his ridiculous zeal in what is essentially a perfectly safe lurker lynch still raises some bells for me. I don't know really. sciberbia: made a generic post and hasn't said anything ever since. I might be willing to lynch this guy based on what has happened in the game so far and if I had to make a decision right now. Tunkeg: lurker, nothing to say. Axlegreaser: I can't read these kind of people, so i'll mostly leave it to others. I'd say leaning town, but honestly I'm terrible at telling what strange posters are up to, I ignore Chez every game I play with him, and while Axle is more coherent than that, I really don't know. prplhz: being his useless self on day 1. He did reach the same conclusion about iamperfection's push on Ace, and he did it before me, I think. DP: NOT READING YOUR POSTS LOL reyn: I don't know this guy well enough yet, so I'll just paint him tentative town right now for calling me bad. he's spamming in a very useless way. But at least he's spamming Oats: NOT READING YOUR SHIT EITHER WoS: his last post here was slightly more townie than everything else he's said. He too is not a bad day 1 lynch I think. I need to hear more from this guy and I know literally nothing about him. His "glad I rolled town" seems sooo fake, but then again, it's so awful that it's hard to think mafia would be stupid enough to do it. Whatever, leaning scum, I guess...
This is very uncharacteristic from Palmar. Every read ends with "i don't know" or "whatever, i guess scum". Normally Palmar pushes his early D1 read hard and want's other people's opinions about it. Here he is throwing out a list of "meh" reads.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 19:30 Palmar wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Sciberbia
I think this is the direction I want to go in.
After ~20 hours and a couple of useless posts that say nothing he goes back to this.
When Tunkeg asked for reasoning, he says this:
-"I really don't think it's reasonable to push oats at the moment." Cool, Palmar's opinion about Oats is "
Oats: NOT READING YOUR SHIT EITHER". So it's not reasonable to question a player you are not even reading.
- "Also sciberbia has a few of those indirect question things I don't really like, I mentioned it in my first post against him, this validation seeking thing." Yeah, Palmar thinks sciberbia is the best lynch at the moment. Funny, because he hasn't interacted with sciberbia even once. He only asked iamp/Oats about him. Yeah, Oats, whose posts he is not even reading...
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The he votes for WoS, but after that tells marv he thinks sciberbia is a better candidate.
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Back to sciberbia with "something about his defense of WoS just looks strange to me".
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Some voteswitching between Ace / sciberbia with nothing new.
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Here's when the fun starts. Palmar votes for Ace:
On April 08 2013 05:12 Palmar wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Ace
Okay let's do this.
(1)Also if we lynch him he's a liar and we must lynch all liars, since he said this town wouldn't lynch a veteran player.
(2)And finally there are multiple things I find strange about him, just nothing I can say is conclusively scummy. But he is focusing on silly secret tactics, not giving much opinion on who to lynch or trying to push his lynch. He is not attempting to take any kind of a leadership role, and wanting to rather just weigh in here and there.
(3)If I hadn't seen Ace be a useless shit at town before I'd call him scum, but I'm not sure.
whatever #yolo let's kill ace.
1) This is ridiculous reasoning.
2) Multiple strange things that are not conclusively scummy.
3) Says Ace plays like this as town.
After this he isn't interested in what Ace says. He just wants people to vote for Ace.
After this some people say they think Ace is town and start a lynch on Axle.
This is the votecount atm:
sciberbia (1): raynpelikoneet
WaveofShadow (3): Tunkeg, prplhz, AxleGreaser
marvellosity (1): Ace
Ace (4): marvellosity, WaveofShadow, Oatsmaster, Palmar
AxleGreaser (3): DarthPunk, sciberbia, iamperfection
Then marv asks Palmar's opinion on Ace. Palmar does not give opinion about Ace but instead:
On April 08 2013 08:36 Palmar wrote:
I don't want to lynch Axle, if that's the alternative.
On April 08 2013 08:36 Palmar wrote:
He looks good marv, I really don't know. can we lynch the host since I have a town read on everyone? What do you say Axle?
On April 08 2013 08:38 Palmar wrote:
to clarify, by good I mean less bad than he used to.
and since I have no clue who is scum whatever.
I just want to lynch someone and I don't want it to be axle.
Sciberbia, Ace, prplhz, reyn, WoS, marv are all fine by me.
- Axle looks good, can lynch into the list of some random people.
- Next thing he does is he narrows the list to Ace/scib.
After this post me & prplhz clearly imply that we are supporting Axle lynch over Ace. prplhz even asks Palmar why does he not want to lynch Axle. Ace is sure going to vote for Axle over himself anyways.
Then Palmar just switches his vote on Axle:
On April 08 2013 08:48 Palmar wrote:
I think you can possibly be scum, I think everyone else there except marv is more likely to flip.
But okay, mostly because I cannot stay up tonight I need to wake up tomorrow, let's just lynch Axle. At least it rids me of a person that I don't know how to read. I'd give this lynch about 17% chance of success.
##unvote
##vote AxleGreaser
"I don't care, let's just lynch someone".
Then there is this masterpiece:
On April 08 2013 08:56 Palmar wrote:
man I just read Axle's filter, maybe he is scum. Increased chances of success to around 32%
No reasoning why Axle might be scum now. Also note that Palmar has doubleposted 3 minutes before this post. THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY HE READ THE FILTER IN 3 MINUTES! Ffs Axle's post were really hard to read, it took me 3 minutes to read one post of his.
TLDR;
- There is nothing in Palmar's play that shows that he has given shit about anything in this game.
- His strange "i'll give reads about all the people" is really uncharacteristic for him, usually he pushes his strongest scumread and tries to convince other people to lynch that guy.
- Why the fuck is he continuosly asking marv/Ace about their read on him? Normally Palmar declares himself as town and that's it. Everyone who disagrees is bad/scum.
- "Pushes" Ace lynch with reasoning that points Ace being more likely town than scum (rofl).
- Doesn't even try to figure out if Ace is scum/town when he is unsure of him.
- Switches to Axle when there is a lot of people who are likely to vote for Axle over Ace. No reasoning, read Axle's filter in 3 minutes and suddenly Axle goes from looking good -> maybe scum.
Cool story bro. Lynch Palmar D3.
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On April 10 2013 01:28 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 01:14 iamperfection wrote:On April 09 2013 00:30 Tunkeg wrote:
But yeah, lynch me or vig me or whatever, my read on WoS was clearly shit (or he is playing me like a fool with that hammer). When you said this tunkeg you lost all credibility we should have just lynched you immediately after saying this. Yeah, you probably would mr Wild Bill Hickok... When I say stuff like that I am pissed off at myself. Don't you ever get down on yourself, or are you one of those who never do mistakes, and never ever are selfcritical?
.................... My username....
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Nvm Sci I found it:
On April 09 2013 04:39 sciberbia wrote:Hi Tunkeg. I'm trying to figure out your alignment. This is the post that sticks out most to me in your filter + Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 17:22 Tunkeg wrote:
@WoS - May I have your attention!!
Now that I am the only one on your case. I will provide you with an out. Of course you can take the scummy way out and ignore me completely, as the pressure on you evaporated, but don't, I will nail you to the wall for it.
The out is: Write a convincing case on prplhz with a structure that even I can comprehend, where you summarize what is scummy about him and provide quotes or references to posts. You are free to write it on someone else instead. My point is I want a scumread from you with an analysis behind, and not just some random lines.
To the rest of you stay the fuck away from this, I want WoS to do it for obvious reasons!
In particular, I want to understand what you meant by this: Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 17:22 Tunkeg wrote:
Now that I am the only one on your case. I will provide you with an out
If WoS had done as you asked and written a case on prplhz, would that have dissuaded you from thinking WoS is scum?
Yeah, I wanted him to post a case on prplhz. I wanted to challange him to see if he were up to the task. It is easy to go around saying this and that is scummy, without putting any reasoning behind it. It is hard to come up with some justification. Him writing a good case, with logical reasoning, would at least give him some serious townpoints in my book, and thats what was I meant by giving him an out. He failed to do so, he just ignored me, which in my book accounts for scumpoints. But then he goes hammering Axle, so now I don't think it is likely that he is scum.
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So Tunkeg, who do you think is likely to be scum? We are on fucking N2 and you haven't had a single scumread besides WoS.
If you think Oats is scum tell us why, that comment alone doesn't do much.
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god damnit I was at work v_v
gg all
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On April 10 2013 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Tunkeg, who do you think is likely to be scum? We are on fucking N2 and you haven't had a single scumread besides WoS.
If you think Oats is scum tell us why, that comment alone doesn't do much.
I like your case on Palmar. So Palmar and Oats it is. You focus on Palmar, and I'll come back with a case on Oats on D3.
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On April 10 2013 03:07 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Tunkeg, who do you think is likely to be scum? We are on fucking N2 and you haven't had a single scumread besides WoS.
If you think Oats is scum tell us why, that comment alone doesn't do much. I like your case on Palmar. So Palmar and Oats it is. You focus on Palmar, and I'll come back with a case on Oats on D3.
I thought you werent a sheep? Why didnt you like the Ace case then? Why didnt you like the other cases?
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On April 10 2013 02:14 Ace wrote:
god damnit I was at work v_v
gg all
GG Ace. Someday I'll understand your playstyle.
Also I'm back hai guise.
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wos
What do you think of tunkeng as of right now?
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It's funny, I had a strong townread on him through most of the first day since his case on me looked pretty good (though there were issues with it) and mostly through his force of will to push his case, which is a very townie thing to do. Then the day began to come to a close and as I've mentioned before, the tunneling aspect of his attitude and refusal to even consider anyone else's reads or make any of his own looks just awful. I'm not sure if I can see that as inherently scummy on its own though, because I find it difficult to believe-----wait a minute. Mid thought I had a flash.
Tunkeg disappeared before the Axle lynch properly came into fruition, correct? This means at the time Tunkeg saw his that his lynch on me was going nowhere (knowing I'm town), but assuming he had enough towncred based on his push on me to last him the evening/the game so he could leave without switching his vote to a more likely mislynch than mine. This way, if Ace did go down D1 he can stand up and say "HAY GUISE LOOK AT WHAT YOU DID U ALL SUCK I TOLD YOU NOT TO LYNCH HIM," and look:
On April 10 2013 00:35 Tunkeg wrote:
WTF guys, why do you go on to lynch someone 12 hours after the night post? I think thats fucked up. Especially after a day 1 scumlynch, with a bunch of information and a hell of a lot of work to do if you are trying to figure the game out. Can we calm the fuck down and discuss the lynches and not rush into crap ass lynches?
On April 10 2013 00:41 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:30 Palmar wrote:
Yeah of course. This means that something is wrong and I need to find out what it is, which kinda sucks as I'm a big fan of random killings.
Ace did point a finger at Oats multiple times on day 1, so that lends some credence to that theory. I also need to go back and look at everyone from day 1.
reyn still feels like the most likely guy to be on the bus wagon, and tunkeg does not look too good.
So why am I not looking good again? For not putting my vote on scumbuddy Ace before going to bed? Oh, yeah, I forgot you guys rushed out of the gates and killed him, and he was town. I think you are looking shittier and shittier to be honest. You jumped the bandwagon early on Axle, while claiming it had shit chances to succeed, softdefending and bussing at the same time, you led the town to a crap lynch on Ace, and now you are going after me. To be honest you have been wrong as fuck in this game, and as I allways say, a bad Palmar is a scum Palmar.
Again, it's not this on it's own that actually gives me a scumread on him, it's the timing aspect of how everything worked out. I think if he were about to go to bed and instead it was Axle on the block at the time, he WOULD have switched his vote since all he wanted was towncred at the time. And of course the lack of any coherent reads besides the one on me ALL GAME looks like ass.
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Fuck it, disregard everything I've said so far. I'm clearly having an everything I think is wrong game so I need to re-do just about everything. No idea how long it'll take.
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i'm around but i'm not planning on posting anything
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if that's interesting to anybody
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