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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On April 08 2013 22:19 marvellosity wrote: Ace/Tunkeg final answer. maybe | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 08 2013 22:01 marvellosity wrote: Both Palmar and iamp think I look clearly town, they can't both be my scumbuddies, right? ^^ I don't think iamp thinks you look very town. And Palmar seeing you as town has nothing to do with who your scumbuddies are if you are scum. Townies see scum as town quite often. And you are clearly not a bad scumplayers as far as i remember from the games i have followed. I can't understand why everone thinks Palmar is town because i am not just seeing it. Is it because he agreed with you on Ace? Or what, i just don't see it. What you think of that Tunkeg stuff I just posted? I don't think Tunkeg flip-flopped about no-lynch. His last comment could be also seen as frustration as his lynch was not going through. And i think he was pushing his lynch, people just didn't listen (many people were suspicious of WoS at that time and WoS was a leading candidate before people started voting for Ace). I don't know what that makes him. What i do not like is that he brought the no-lynch thing up in the first place, didn't so anything after that, and before that all he did was going after WoS. Palmar is right, btw, if I were mafia I'd never have made myself look bad over the Axle lynch. It's exactly the same thing that happened to me in Fruity, I looked really bad for opposing a yamato lynch Day 1 who flipped mafia, because I was pushing Vivax (mafia) instead. Shit happens. That's just WIFOM. If you are mafia this is just what you were supposed to do if Palmar is town. You just made a good friend who can't possibly think you would do that as mafia because of meta and shit. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:37 marvellosity wrote: It is hard to understand, because it's really silly. Mafia have an abundance of decent targets to shoot at, and stunting discussion for 24 hours for some mythical night-hit reason doesn't make sense. Like we don't have nigh infinite length days...... | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 08 2013 22:49 DarthPunk wrote: Like we don't have nigh infinite length days...... Length of days is irrelevant, flow of the thread is relevant. Look at the night-talkless Noir to see what I'm talking about. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 08 2013 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's just WIFOM. If you are mafia this is just what you were supposed to do if Palmar is town. You just made a good friend who can't possibly think you would do that as mafia because of meta and shit. It's not just WIFOM, because the alternative is that I make myself look good by calling Axle probably mafia and hammering him like the rest, then we wouldn't have to have this conversation at all. That was my alternative if I'm mafia. That's not WIFOM, that's analysing a specific player and the actions he's likely to take, which is what the game's all about. | ||
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iamperfection
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 08 2013 22:52 marvellosity wrote: It's not just WIFOM, because the alternative is that I make myself look good by calling Axle probably mafia and hammering him like the rest, then we wouldn't have to have this conversation at all. That was my alternative if I'm mafia. That's not WIFOM, that's analysing a specific player and the actions he's likely to take, which is what the game's all about. How is it a good alternative when you have called him not-likely-to-be mafia before and he hasn't posted since then? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 08 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: How is it a good alternative when you have called him not-likely-to-be mafia before and he hasn't posted since then? Because scib gave me an out by asking me to look at Axle in more detail. One that in my great wisdom as a potential scummer I decided to take by... looking at his filter and deciding I still wanted to lynch Ace despite the fact that the Axle wagon was heading towards the lynch, and so I actively decided to make myself look bad instead. That's the scenario we're playing with here and it's silly. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 08 2013 22:52 marvellosity wrote: It's not just WIFOM, because the alternative is that I make myself look good by calling Axle probably mafia and hammering him like the rest, then we wouldn't have to have this conversation at all. That was my alternative if I'm mafia. That's not WIFOM, that's analysing a specific player and the actions he's likely to take, which is what the game's all about. You say this and then you call people like me mafia when i actually did put effort in killing Axle by voting for him and considering who is more likely to flip red of Ace/Axle. Palmar for example just "couldn't remember why Axle looked town" and just swithced his vote. What makes him look better than me? And what makes you say the bolded part, expecially when there is the red bolded part. You switching your vote would not make you look more town because of your earlier stance on Axle. I can see you not switching your vote as both town or mafia, i don't just understand why this makes you 100% town in peoples mind. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 08 2013 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think Tunkeg flip-flopped about no-lynch. His last comment could be also seen as frustration as his lynch was not going through. And i think he was pushing his lynch, people just didn't listen (many people were suspicious of WoS at that time and WoS was a leading candidate before people started voting for Ace). I don't know what that makes him. What i do not like is that he brought the no-lynch thing up in the first place, didn't so anything after that, and before that all he did was going after WoS. You didn't really understand what I was getting at with what I posted because I don't really know what you're talking about here. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:54 marvellosity wrote: Here's something I find interesting: Seems to clearly not want a no-lynch. His lynch isn't gaining traction so he leaves, leaving his vote uselessly parked on WoS, basically saying "i'm happy with a no-lynch". So you are saying he first was against no-lynch and then was okay with it when a couple of people switched to Ace? He had his vote on WoS who was another candidate at that time. Is his only option to switch to Ace? He already did push WoS lynch and then he went away. I don't think that's necessarily mafia behaviour. He could have genuinely gotten frustrated about his lynch gaining no more support, had no other candidate and just left his vote on the other candidate at that time. Why do you think he would say that last quote if he was mafia? Why not just leave and say nothing? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are saying he first was against no-lynch and then was okay with it when a couple of people switched to Ace? He had his vote on WoS who was another candidate at that time. Is his only option to switch to Ace? He already did push WoS lynch and then he went away. I don't think that's necessarily mafia behaviour. He could have genuinely gotten frustrated about his lynch gaining no more support, had no other candidate and just left his vote on the other candidate at that time. Why do you think he would say that last quote if he was mafia? Why not just leave and say nothing? It amounts to the same thing? And yes, that is basically what I'm saying. He was happy to push WoS at Palmar on the basis that a WoS lynch was better than a no-lynch. But then when WoS looked like he wasn't getting lynched, he didn't bother to stick around to find a good alternative, he just buggered off. He had no interest in finding a good alternative lynch at all. Convenient to leave your vote on someone who isn't getting lynched when you know the deadline is later that night. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
He had no interest in finding a good alternative lynch at all. This is something i agree with you on. But is it more likely that he is scum because of that, or town? Ace was gaining support at that time. If my scumbuddy was under fire i would try to do something about it (you think Ace is scum anyways). | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
If you really want to go into it, the Ace-being-mafia theory supports what I'm saying about Tunkeg, because Tunkeg's alternative for consolidation at the time he left the thread was....... Ace. Probably best to go "oh no, my lynch has failed, woe is me!" and bugger off, ya? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:25 marvellosity wrote: Obviously scum care much less about arriving at a good lynch than town, I don't even understand how you're asking me that :/ If you really want to go into it, the Ace-being-mafia theory supports what I'm saying about Tunkeg, because Tunkeg's alternative for consolidation at the time he left the thread was....... Ace. Probably best to go "oh no, my lynch has failed, woe is me!" and bugger off, ya? Do you actually believe ace wouldn't tell him to bus at that point? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:25 marvellosity wrote: Obviously scum care much less about arriving at a good lynch than town, I don't even understand how you're asking me that :/ If you really want to go into it, the Ace-being-mafia theory supports what I'm saying about Tunkeg, because Tunkeg's alternative for consolidation at the time he left the thread was....... Ace. Probably best to go "oh no, my lynch has failed, woe is me!" and bugger off, ya? Why not try to push WoS harder? His reasons were solid enough to make a lot of people think WoS might be scum in the first place. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:26 DarthPunk wrote: Do you actually believe ace wouldn't tell him to bus at that point? Ace avoided the lynch. So, no. | ||
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